Open 16 - Vengeful Mafia (game over) - before 414

[IH]

/confirm, incase SV didn't get that PM like she sometimes doesn't.

<3

[IH]

My pm just said /confirm by pm or in thread.

[IH]

......what?

Hey Patrick, weren't you with me in the first one? = D

[IH]

IGMEOY:Fircoal

For a mild statement in post 28. The "you can't be sure of that".

[IH]

That was obviously a cop Joke.

= ) So close to voting Fircoal for that one. Remember in open 7, how I did that same exact thing when MBF said something about a cop? I'm reluctant to put anyone at minus one right now though for weak scum tells.

[IH]

.....I think Patrick is more on the town side.

Until I hear from Twito, I'm going to say Ac is the godfather, Fircoal is the goon.

= )

[IH]

vote:acfan

Told yah!

[IH]

No no no. Town doesn't aim for a speedlynch, because then the townie's vig target is essentially random. If there's a speedlynch for no reason, pretty sure the scum piled on, so the townie has a better chance of hitting scum, which sends us into day 2.

Seriously, Ac is either the godfather or the goon. If he's the goon.... I'd look at Patrick myself. Mostly from Rosso's strategy of venge.

[IH]

I know, but it's just a statement I want out there,

In case you people don't know what we're talking about....

Rosso's venge strategy-Get the GF to buss the heck out of the goon after he intentionall does something scummy. GF looks clean, Town is lynched, and scum wins.

[IH]

Acfan is scum!!!!!!

[IH]

Hey Twito, what do you think of AcfanXFircoal?

[IH]

Hey man..... I'd be pretty happy if SV got me.



HAI SV!

[IH]

ZINDIES GONNA REPLACE ACFAN I THINK!!!

YAY ZINDYSCUM!

[IH]

HAH!^^^^

Anyways, Twito has been flying under the radar in all of his games, since he's had limited access, and I'm pretty sure Zindy knew that already from another game or two.

[IH]

At this point, even with the awesome Zindy replacement, I still think that he's scum.

Zindies post hasn't really discouraged the notion, of course with all the lurkiness there isn't too much to enforce it either.

I don't like this line of thinking from Patrick in post 94

He doesn't exactly reinforce anything, or commit to anything, just kind of throws out a few ideas. I understand there hasn't been much to go on, but it's just been more putting things out there and see how the rest of the town reacts to it.

Thus, I could see IH/Zindaras, with IH most likely being the GF. Of course, I'm not set on it, and we probably need Twito replacing. I don't have much read on Fircoal either. However, I prefer this theory to the theory that Twito/Fircoal are scum together.

So.... if you think an IH/Zindaras pairing is more likely..... why is your vote on Fircoal, who you admit to have not much of a read on?

[IH]

No Patrick. Being uncomittal is scum, no matter the game. I believe that's why I was lynched last game. If you don't think Fircoal is as likely, your vote should not be on him, your vote should at least be unvoted.

[IH]

No, I'm seriously wondering. Why is your vote on Fircoal? If you think there is a more likely sucm pair than Fircoal/X, then why is your vote on him? Don't try to mildly discredit me with "at least pretend you're protown".

and yes, it looks to me as if you were a little uncommital. This is the second time you haven't answered my question, this time, trying to blame it on me discrediting you. It is a viable question.

Not to mention, did you forget about the vengeful vigging townies? If anyone hammers, they will probably vig the hammerer. I believe that's enough to discourage anyone from a quick lynch.

[IH]

One thing I didn't like much by acfan was post 49 which could have been a very crude attempt by noobscum to get us to get us to lynch some quickly.

IH voted him for this, then in post 58 made an almost comical attempt to link me to acfan, which may be because he knows acfan would show up scum (presumably goon). He continues to say in a joking manner that acfan is scum, later suggesting to Twito that an acfan/Fircoal pairing may exist.

Enter Zindybuns. Doesn't really mind what IH is doing, calls me town, says that the pairing is Fircoal/Twito. While his reasons make sense in a narrow way, he ignores the context (Twito is almost without internet access, Fircoal always spams up his games). The second he may not have known if he hasn't played with Fircoal, the first he did know. Later calls IH misguided, and pressed the attack on Fircoal and Twito, seeming to show less patience than he did in the last vengeful game where he was town.

Thus, I could see IH/Zindaras, with IH most likely being the GF. Of course, I'm not set on it, and we probably need Twito replacing. I don't have much read on Fircoal either. However, I prefer this theory to the theory that Twito/Fircoal are scum together.

The main part is just a summary of the game. Nothing wrong with it. I've played with both Fircoal and Twito.

The last part is all. You throw out the idea of my and Zindy, and say you prefer the theory to Twito/Fircoal. It's just the way you said it, it just looks to me like you were kind of throwing it out there. There wasn't an FoS, an IGMEOY, a nothing. I was curious why, if you thought there were better choices, you would keep a random vote on someone, like Fircoal, who you don't think is as likely, and at least unvote to keep it free.

I'm not saying you were suspicious for not being sure... I'm suspicious of you for almost no action to support it. It is a small thing though, that was amplified by a lack of answer to my question.

[IH]

vote:No replace

as long as Twito keeps posting I'm happy. = )

[IH]

Oh, I'm sure enough to move my vote atm.

unvote, vote:Fircoal

Looks to me he's just moving with popular opinion at the moment, especially with his last answer of Zindie. Twito and Patrick have at least made some kind of point, while he just says "I think so too".

and then Jumps on the Zindie suspicion, since I've also expressed suspicion of him.

I'm saying that Fircoal is some kind of scum.

[IH]

Oh... yeah.....

hmmm...

Still not moving it me thinks.

[IH]

After that it's Fircoal, who is pretty much following me around, though it doesn't seem that scummy in light of the fact he always seems to play that way. I'm currently thinking he's a townie being used as an easy target by the scum.

Then we have four scum me thinks.....

Also, I'm going to go through the thread real quick like.

[IH]

ignoring that comment...
the best thing to do here, it seems, would either:
a. quicklynch, if we lynch a townie, he can vig kill whoever placed the final vote
b. discuss for at least 15 pages, then lynch.

Did anyone else notice this? I don't understand why it's been dismissed... we just kind of dropped it when everyone went lurkerishly.

I could see a Zindaras/IH group, with probably IH as the GF. The only worrying thing is that implies that my two allies are Twito and Fircoal.

Why, you never stated any reasoning?

One thing I didn't like much by acfan was post 49 which could have been a very crude attempt by noobscum to get us to get us to lynch some quickly.

IH voted him for this, then in post 58 made an almost comical attempt to link me to acfan, which may be because he knows acfan would show up scum (presumably goon). He continues to say in a joking manner that acfan is scum, later suggesting to Twito that an acfan/Fircoal pairing may exist.

Enter Zindybuns. Doesn't really mind what IH is doing, calls me town, says that the pairing is Fircoal/Twito. While his reasons make sense in a narrow way, he ignores the context (Twito is almost without internet access, Fircoal always spams up his games). The second he may not have known if he hasn't played with Fircoal, the first he did know. Later calls IH misguided, and pressed the attack on Fircoal and Twito, seeming to show less patience than he did in the last vengeful game where he was town.

Thus, I could see IH/Zindaras, with IH most likely being the GF. Of course, I'm not set on it, and we probably need Twito replacing. I don't have much read on Fircoal either. However, I prefer this theory to the theory that Twito/Fircoal are scum together.

I don't understand why you think this connects us, except for the Venge strategy. Zindy wasn't really being all that hasty either....

Patrick makes a good point in Post 94. A Zindy/IH scum group would make sense, but I don't think there is enough evidence to vote because of it. Also, IH's thoughts on post 94, sounds scumish. What's wrong with throwing out ideas?

Why does it make sense to you? Throwing out ideas and not following through with them is scummy. Why? That way they can see how the town feels, and follow along with them. While I've been reading.... I'm getting a scummeh vibe from Patrick,

look at this.

You're pretty desperate there IH? I haven't set anything in stone, and it would be stupid to do so this early. However, I quite clearly stated that I believe Zindaras/IH is more likely than Twito/Fircoal. I believe it is the most likely pairing at this point. Yes, it's useful to see reactions too, but I'm quite clearly laying out my thoughts at this time.

Nothing is set in stone, as it would be stupid?

But seriously IH, are you suggesting I've been more noncommital than anyone else? I've committed to my top 2 suspects and given reasons for my suspicions, and I've added more content than anyone else. What else exactly do you want me to commit to? This sounds like a desperate attempt to discredit your attacker.

and then in another post, he's committed to his top two suspects.

Show how I've been noncommital. I stated who my top suspects are. What else do you expect? The reason I made the flippant post about trying to pretend you're pro town is because you are acting in your open 4 manner when you were scum. You're looking for the smallest things you can nitpick on your attacker, hoping to confuse or distract people from the real scum.

Explain. That wasn't a small thing. If you think someone is not as scummy, and is more town,

your vote should not be on them

I'm more on the IH/Zindy scum group idea.

After some heat on patrick, Fircoal comes up with this.....

He's repeated it about three times...

Ok, I think.... I have been wrong. Zindy is not scum. = )

1)Patrick/Fircoal
2)Fircoal

[IH]

So... why did you wait til now to put your vote on?

= | Patrick's voting in this game is urking me... it doesn't seem natural.

[IH]

I can't imagine what he's saying is coming from IHtown.

And this is?

After half the people check in without a comment on your comments?

Don't try to unsubstantiate how you've been voting with a comment that has nothing to do with it.

[IH]

1.I disagree
2.Then why did you say "how original" instead of disproving me?

[IH]

You guys can lynch me, and I'll vig Fircoal scum btw.

[IH]

and I believe if you were town, your vote woulda been in your main post against me, not waiting a few posts later to put a vote on me.

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No, that means he's waiting to see how the wind blows in his opinions before he lays down a vote.

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Damn. I kind of thought there was no way Zindaras could be town with the tacky posts he was making, but I had him with the wrong partner. IH managed to look extremely scummy to me; he was basically attacking me for stuff that he knows I do normally. No idea why he would do that as town.

I suppose it shows, conversation needed to win at vengeful. Fircoal - you should try to be a bit more forthcoming with your own ideas. It is very difficult to discern the alignment of someone who posts hardly anything. Well done to the scum.

= | Seriously, I have never noticed you making a post, and then waiting a few more posts to vote. I would find that scummy in any game.

[IH]

Also, I called the godfather thing day 1. Owned.

= ( Seriously, Fircoal was town?