Mini 1525: Tales of The Abyss Mafia GAME OVER!

[MafiaSSK]

Vote: Mac

Mac wagon does seem approiate.

[MafiaSSK]

Mac wagons don't go whack.

[MafiaSSK]

Why is that scummy, Mac?

[MafiaSSK]

I've been prodded. Activity to come tomorrow.

[MafiaSSK]

@ Prohawk

Actually i said a semi soft push- I define this as a small push intented to garner a wagon on someone. Mostly to garner a wagon without getting any notice of doing so. Let me ask you this . Even with the points you made..do you think that scum would take such a big gambit. If so why? Also why should we risk lynching one to confirm the other when they could be easily confirmed by the cop/ tracker with less risk. So I guess I am what is the overall advantage of lynching one of them.

@ SSK
What are your reads..also why should we not believe that you are not lurking especially that you are not lurking scum. Why should you get a town read not only from me but the town as well.

Yeah, I really shouldn't. But I've way overcomitted myself and this is the least interesting of all of my games.

reads list soon.

[MafiaSSK]

Hmm

Your seem right. She doesnt seem to be scum hunting and her answers seems to be surface level.

what bothering me alot more is SSK lurking..... I cant figure if she is scum lurking or not . She also seems to be dodgy when she appears

I think I could vote either one of them. I think I need more time to thin it over

Look into my meta. I lurk. I used to be the lurker back when I started. It's not indicative of anything.

[MafiaSSK]

Anywho, I said I would do this so,

SCUM

Minami no Hana
TheFuzzylogic99

NULL
Deacon Blues
orcinus_theoriginal
pitoli
The Rufflig
ProHawk

TOWN

Ms Marangal
Kazekirimaru
Mac
Tammy
Nachomamma8
MafiaSSK

[MafiaSSK]

Vote Minami no Hana

[MafiaSSK]

Gut+lack of analysis for you. Your only vote was on Kaze and it had a one sentence backing to it. Real help towards town, you are scum.

As for Minami, it's their recent aggressive attitude, their general lurkiness, and the lack of voting except their three consecutive posts (130, 170, 234) where they very rapidly shifted their votes for very bad/little reasoning.

But as I said, I've been busy, but I've been reading and paying attention to this game.

[MafiaSSK]

You're breaking my heart, MafiaSSK.

How come?

[MafiaSSK]

Gut+lack of analysis for you. Your only vote was on Kaze and it had a one sentence backing to it. Real help towards town, you are scum.

As for Minami, it's their recent aggressive attitude, their general lurkiness, and the lack of voting except their three consecutive posts (130, 170, 234) where they very rapidly shifted their votes for very bad/little reasoning.

But as I said, I've been busy, but I've been reading and paying attention to this game.

I honestly find this poor reason to read me as scum.... I have been very active and have been scum hunting so I would think you could get a decent read on me. Plus scum read is more than votes you put on people. I would think that you know that.

Umm..you are lurky and you admit it. Please tell me why her lurkiness is scummy but your is not. Also why does only making voting make her scummy.

lastly if you are so busy why dont you replace out?

If you call scum hunting asking questions and never voting anyone then I guess yeah. But I think of scum hunting as making cases and you know voting people who are scum.

I have been lurking. Minami's is a more active lurking and thus is more harmful. As for the last sentence there, if you could rephrase that, that'd be nice.

I'm not going to replace out, because that'd be rude. I /inned as a commitment to this game. I'm going to honor it and I'm going to find time in my schedule to post here.

[MafiaSSK]

edit
why placing three votes makes her scummy?

Oh, the three votes were made in three consecutive posts and with little reason to back them up. That's why.

[MafiaSSK]

Because you're not even trying to read me.

I never know with you though. I read you as town for the most part, but this game you've seemed off.

[MafiaSSK]

if that is the case...why put a vote on her now and not earlier when she did that....
Also you did not answer why you wont replace out if you are that busy???

I wasn't here?

And yes I did, in 595 last sentence.

[MafiaSSK]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: rufflig

Mind if I ask, why?

[MafiaSSK]

Apparently when playing with SSK all votes need to be accompanied with giant walls of text.

On other news I have real life issues and haven't been able to attend this game nor will be able to tomorrow (full day work on a Saturday FML), and giffy's sick so prob. wont see anything from us until Sunday.

PEd: Oh and apparently Tammy's worth asking "why" and we arent even worth asking "why" \:D/

No. They need to be made with more than one sentence behind them. Which they all weren't.

[MafiaSSK]

Because you're not even trying to read me.

I never know with you though. I read you as town for the most part, but this game you've seemed off.

Every single game I'm a little different. I'm not a robot.

And this hydra is a new collaboration. We get along pretty well, I think, but I can tell that my reads are more generous than bork's are. That's probably a good thing.

I want to learn how to read you on my own. I have not seen you put as much heart and soul into a game since, as you did in Paradox Prime. I misread you in that game, and so did ViTierce. And that combination led to your lynch.

I don't like repeating mistakes like that. So, give me some data that can lead to a better read, and I'll try to do the same.

I so don't remember PxP. It was my first game back and I was a different player then.

But I mean you always seem to talk about how you're different from game to game, but everyone has a basic tone that carries across. Yours here has been different than the one's I've seen you with when you're town.

[MafiaSSK]

How about this

Your comment about No Hana being a more active lurker makes no sense since she has posted alot more than you , have tried to scum hunt and tried to make reads. You answer came off as hypocritical and ungenuine. Your vote on me seems to be based on playstyle... which a better player would know not to do. Honestly this seems like an attack on me bc I questioned if you were scum and were possible going to vote for you. As for your excuse for not replacing out I just dont buy it.... Your vote on Hana seems like a bit of a stretch. Sorry but I am reading you as scum

VOTE: MafiaSSK

There we go. That's a good block that I respect. But the reasons inside are a bunch of crap. Let's break this up ya'll.

Your comment about No Hana being a more active lurker makes no sense since she has posted alot more than you , have tried to scum hunt and tried to make reads. You answer came off as hypocritical and ungenuine.

Being hypocritical isn't a scumtell.
Being ungenuine, I can't defend, as it's an opinion. But, I'm being as genuine as possible.

Your vote on me seems to be based on playstyle... which a better player would know not to do.

Playstyle is partially based off of alignment. So a better player would be able to detect when a playstyle is leaning towards that player's scum playstyle.

As for your excuse for not replacing out I just dont buy it....

That's cool. It's not scummy nor is it true, seeing as that is my reason for staying in. But whatever.

Your vote on Hana seems like a bit of a stretch.

I explained my reasoning. It's not a stretch. It's what I see as the greatest reasons why someone would be scum in this game.

Sorry but I am reading you as scum

If you are truly apologetic, that's bad. You have to be feeling guilty of something. In this case, it's that you're lying. You know that I'm town and you know that you're voting me for reasons that aren't true. You're the scum.

[MafiaSSK]

Prod dodge post. Probably a post tomorrow.

[MafiaSSK]

pitoli
Nachomamma8
orcinus_theoriginal - town
Mykonian
Tammy - probably town
Deacon Blues
MafiaSSK (1 prod)
Minami no Hana
The Rufflig - feels like mislynch bait
ProHawk
TheFuzzylogic99 - probably noob town
Mac
Kazekirimaru - derp

The rest I feel like I could lynch. That's like 2/3 the playerlist.

I have to be doing something wrong.

Any chance you could explain further your reads?

[MafiaSSK]

Prod dodge post. Probably a post tomorrow.

You're late.

Shh. You're disturbing my lurking.

[MafiaSSK]

But yeah, let's go over some highlights from the past few pages.

Hey, Nacho. Mind if I bounce something off you?

MafiaSSK similar to Aunt J?

No idea what this meant. Wish Rufflig could have expanded on this. But it was dropped so whatevz.

bork isn't going to be able to finish the game.

VOTE: rufflig

Oh look just jumping back on to a vote. Making me reconsider my read on ya there, ffery.

But Mac's 798 was pretty town.

Right now I think that Ruffling, MafiaSSK , Myko and Pit are the best options for wagon

I am not sure about Myko... I did not like Mara overall playing. It just seem scummy. Not only that but Myko at first did not seem to follow his meta which seems pretty calm and reserved . He seemed to calm down a bit.... ( it was an effort to find meta on him.) He has alot of non game posts...ie Mish Mash general discussion etc. He also modded several games.

Mafia-
I really hate the whole my lurking does not really stink but NO Hana does . Not only that her accusation on me seems forced. Your scum bc You said sorry in one post. She might be wort taking s look at

Not sure about Pit and Ruff but there seems quite a few players thinking they are scum and I would love to hear the cases against them. I must say I do not like Pits random vote on me... but I am not going to make it the reason to put a vote on him

Then fuzzy goes off on his low hanging fruit rants. That's pretty bad.

Hey, Nacho. Mind if I bounce something off you?

MafiaSSK similar to Aunt J?

Are you bouncing this off of him because you think nacho is town and value his reads on another player?

Also where is your paranoia of nacho?

this is EXACTLY what went through my mind

but i'm starting to chicken out on rufflig and thinking about ssk instead

uggh

Orc too, throwing out those reasonless low fruit reads. Quality work.

QED:
Scum are fuzzy, ruflig and orc .
Less likely but possible Scum: Minami, ffery
Null: Pitoli, ProHawk
Null town is: Nacho, Kaze
Town is Tammy mac and myk.

[MafiaSSK]

SSK - Do you disbelieve Kaze role information that confirms Orc as town?

It's D1. I don't think anything can be confirmed yet. But it is believable.

[MafiaSSK]

Myko, why aren't you worried about your wagon at all?

[MafiaSSK]

Seriously, guys. Mara's play was scummy and Myko's certainly didn't do the slot much better. I put down a metacase and Myko shrugs it off with the most uninspired "ehh, I just play how I feel. That means nothing" defense I've ever seen. Have you ever seen a townie that cavalier about being accused? Not an ounce of indignation? He's not even trying! Practically laughing me off.

What do I have to do to get you guys to see where I'm coming from?

I wasn't a fan of Mara, but I rather like Myko. What I like most about him is that he isn't going with the flow. He has put in his own ideas for everyone to consider and mull over instead of retreading the same old ground.

VOTE: Minami

What a jump. Mind explaining?

[MafiaSSK]

@Prohawk: Are you still scum reading Nachomamma8? If so, would you mind explaining why you feel Nacho is scum?

@MafiaSSK: A couple things struck me as off that I'm hoping you could expound on. Minami went from scum to less likely scum before her most recent reads post. I don't see why your read on her lessened while she was not doing anything? The second is that your scum read on me increased in that same period. Why didn't you apply pressure to me or switch your vote?

My gut shifted a little on both accounts?
But if you want pressure shifted on to you. Here you go

Vote rufflig

[MafiaSSK]

Well, you do have half of the playerlist as either null or leaning scum. It's statistically probable that there's at least one scum there.

[MafiaSSK]

Oh what the hell. There's a wagon on me. Whee. I'll try to catch up today, I guess here.