Mini 1525: Tales of The Abyss Mafia GAME OVER!

[orcinus_theoriginal]

VOTE: MARANGAL

[orcinus_theoriginal]

/aggressively hums opening

town

[orcinus_theoriginal]

VOTE: fuzzy

[orcinus_theoriginal]

!

[orcinus_theoriginal]

ok.

vote turned serious.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

I am actually voting fuzzy less for the role PM thing than for being just really awkward in general

How are you fery

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Yeah I don't know though. Neither of the RVS quotes you quoted actually seemed awkward.

Fuzzy: just to confirm, do you actually believe that the attack on you is /scummy/

[orcinus_theoriginal]

I like kaze.

I have so much work the next few days

[orcinus_theoriginal]

@ Ornicus

I'll burn you.

@ Orcinus- well that explains it all or not....I dont know if I should take your vote serious or not....

@ Ornicus-
If it is serious than i think I deserve a reason why you are voting against me since the vote seem random and totally out of the blue.

I mean like these two posts just seem like passive-aggressive "should i attack this, is OMGUS a good idea here, will I win a 1v1" from scum

[orcinus_theoriginal]

I dont know if Kaze is scummy....thats what I am trying to figure out. As far as his " attack" on me I dont find it nessarily scummy though I find it worth scrunity. I have been in
a couple game where scum have used my newness as way to get an easy lynch. This might not be the case but I think I should make sure.

So why did you put Kaze in that false dichotomy?

Kaze is so town because he's early aggressive omgz

Yes, I am aware of my meta.

And I didn't like this. Why not let Orci explain why you're town instead of running to the meta assumption?

This was not in reply to me.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

mac's alignment is more obvious than TIPs come page 20

I'm surprised you're willing to give Tammy a townread based on one post when you said a while ago that she slipped past you the last game

[orcinus_theoriginal]

mac's alignment is more obvious than TIPs come page 20

What exactly does this mean?

TIP wears his alignment on his sleeve

Mac even more so

[orcinus_theoriginal]

if he is town than he set up a test that was weak in order to catch scum or at least try to look like he trying to catch scum. If he is scum he set up a trap to ensnare a townie. I can not see any other possibility.

Well, firstly, he probably didn't think it was a weak trap if he was town.

So what you are saying is "He might be town trying to scumhunt or he might be scum faking a scumhunt"

That concludes today's episode of "Fuzzylogic99 insights"

To say that that i am scum bc I answered his question without saying that town do not get their message in their inbox and not through PM is just ridiculous.

I did not get this vibe and i think this is a misrep

Not to mention the thing about the blue townie. Than to push it as absolute fact that I scum bc of this is scummy.

1) This is the reason why you "failed" the "test". Personally I think the test is silly but whatever. First time I read it i didn't catch the blue thing either.
2) Nobody said absolute fact. You don't have absolute facts in this game. To say "Yo your scumread is stupid because this doesn't constitute an absolute fact" is silly.
3) So you /are/ calling Kaze scummy?

It does not seem he has much of a case so he pushing the idea that I am scum based on a test . it feels like he keep repeating the same thing over and over again hoping it will stick.

Of course he doesn't have a fucking case it's page 3.

being awkward is not really a alignment sign as far as I can tell but I am willing to hear why you think so

Scum are awkward because they have to lie. People are awkward when they lie. Just out of curiosity, how do you scumhunt?

He agreed his role was blue and the townie role isn't blue.

I already said this guy was scum... Kaze, for the record, you are completely off.

Let's talk about why

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Pedit okay so that was a misrep

Strangely I think that makes him more town

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Do you have any other reads kaze

[orcinus_theoriginal]

fery if you're manipulating me here i'll kill you

i think you are town though

[orcinus_theoriginal]

I dont know but everything I am reading from Kaze makes me think that he is more likely than not a townie that is stuck in a tunnel. His reads sounds like someone who has convinced himself I am scum and is unable to see any other possibilities no matter how much the evidence points the other way. This is what i am getting from his recent posts I guess he could be scum but I am leaning town .

fery did you get any traces of activity patterns between town/scum

[orcinus_theoriginal]

I haven't even been talking to you!

And even when I was scum in xenoblade (and you were too, you scumfuck) I didn't try to manipulate you.

If you are scum pls don't be

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Yeah but that was because I was playing like a stoned hobo in 165.

It's ok though i'm on top of things and it's good to be back

How do you feel about Prohawk?

And I think pitoli seems much better than what I remember of her from BSG but that was a while ago

[orcinus_theoriginal]

I'm not opposed to voting her

[orcinus_theoriginal]

People who are town: Pitoli, Mac, Fery

Hello friends

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Is that gif?

[orcinus_theoriginal]

I haven't had a completed game with Kaze yet, but I feel like he's play is somewhat similar to Varsoon.

o.o

(i skimmed your wall the first time)

But she had a question mark at the end, though?

Yeah but I was surprised she was confident enough to even offer a tentative read this quickly

I don't know I feel like mara wouldn't do that, maybe

That looks more like an playstyle issue.

Please don't let this be one of /those/ games

I am unsure about Kaze just yet because he seems like a good player and I am weary of reading them without meta backing

gif put down a vote somewhere i will sheep you

[orcinus_theoriginal]

VOTE: Mac

no.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

guys i have an idea

VOTE: mara

please sheep ty

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Why did you vote fuzzy in 34? 34 doesn't look 'not serious' because it's obviously to me a direct response to the supposedly failed reaction test in 33, ergo the claim in 39 that the vote turned serious right at 38 doesn't jive with me at all. Furthermore, your mentioning in 50 that it's just cause he's awkward in general is something I consider a crap tell.

34 was reaction test. You know that I like hopping onto wagons early in the game.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Vote: ProHawk

VOTE: prohawk

[orcinus_theoriginal]

I am voting with you in spirit, tammy.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

yeah ok that's terrible.

VOTE: rufflig

i was thinking that prohawk would've been more productive but this works as well

[orcinus_theoriginal]

i'd offer to talk to nacho but i know that probably won't amount to anything

mac what's up

[orcinus_theoriginal]

i'd offer to talk to nacho but i know that probably won't amount to anything

mac what's up

i was expecting another discredit regardless of your alignment, which is sort of sad.

I also didn't like orc's "oh ffery I don't want to think you're manipulating me" or some crap like that, but I can't read orc worth a crap so take that with several grains of salt.

gee oh gee i wonder fucking why

[orcinus_theoriginal]

your early vote on fuzzy felt like you were trying to take advantage of what kaze was trying to pull with the gambit. you did say it was for him being awkward though, which summed up how i was feeling but it annoyed me how it came after the vote.

I voted him initially as a reaction test. I kept my vote on him because he was being weird.

fery if you're manipulating me here i'll kill you

i think you are town though

this felt forced and i didn't understand why you felt the need to post it as town.

Because I am friends with fery and so I do have banter with her sometimes.

Also because I feel like she might have been doing something that was focused on me if she were scum

voting in spirit with tammy wasn't great either: why not just vote with her instead? you were called out by rufflig (albeit poorly) and then you reacted by claiming it solidified your scumread on him (and then actually voting him.) it's like you were avoiding the wagon until it became easier to hop on.

Yeah sorry this doesn't make sense. Like I said I thought the Prohawk wagon would be more productive, so that's where I kept my vote until Rufflig said something really stupid.

It's almost like I voted Rufflig when Rufflig became scummier!!!

meh. you're not my top scumread, but you're there and i'm worried.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

What!!!?

My post was bad??? Did any of you read orcinus' post? And you don't see it? What is this a newbie game where I have to explain everything? Fine.

What was wrong with orcinus' post was a few things. Voting in spirit is egging on a wagon that one is not a part of and has not commented on -- very bad. It is vague and non-committal. Second, orcinus' vote was only on Prohawk as a pressure vote, if he thought he had ground to vote someone else there was absolutely no town reason not to do change his vote - don't tell me he simply forgot considering the words he used. Scum, however, would be more inclined to see which way the wind blows before making a stand one way or another - which is exactly the sort of behavior orcinus displayed.

Do not force me to use my hug of death

1) Voting in spirit is me commenting on how the vote on you was a good vote
2) My vote on prohawk was not just a pressure vote. I feel like Prohawk would've been more active in this game if he were town. Same goes for mara.
3) You had one vote on you. Prohawk was at L-1 a while back. "Seeing which way the wind blows" makes no sense since I switched from Prohawk TO you.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

gee oh gee i wonder fucking why

Does it seem like I'm tunneling you?

no not really, why?

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Is orc town?

flashes of paranoia about how easily he townread me. And the flashes of paranoia feel a little off. I feel like real paranoia would look more like that at-arms-length feel I had about him in the NY 165 game. He wasn't pushing me often, but he definitely wasn't buying my early reads wholesale.

It's ok this is the quickest I've ever townread you as well

[orcinus_theoriginal]

gee oh gee i wonder fucking why

Does it seem like I'm tunneling you?

Answer: No. Stop being emo, orc.

I have no idea what you're talking about

you don't have a good record of reading me, so I stated that I wasn't going to do anything to help solve your incorrect scumread on me

fin

How did I ever suggest that you were tunneling me or whatever the fuck you're suggesting

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Happy Scumday Orci!

Thank you :3 <3

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Rufflig I'm still here

So keep telling me about how a town-read turned bad as soon as he scumread you

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Hey is that bork or fery

[orcinus_theoriginal]

fery

when should we talk about mara?

[orcinus_theoriginal]

What!!!?

My post was bad??? Did any of you read orcinus' post? And you don't see it? What is this a newbie game where I have to explain everything? Fine.

What was wrong with orcinus' post was a few things. Voting in spirit is egging on a wagon that one is not a part of and has not commented on -- very bad. It is vague and non-committal. Second, orcinus' vote was only on Prohawk as a pressure vote, if he thought he had ground to vote someone else there was absolutely no town reason not to do change his vote - don't tell me he simply forgot considering the words he used. Scum, however, would be more inclined to see which way the wind blows before making a stand one way or another - which is exactly the sort of behavior orcinus displayed.

Do not force me to use my hug of death

1) Voting in spirit is me commenting on how the vote on you was a good vote
2) My vote on prohawk was not just a pressure vote. I feel like Prohawk would've been more active in this game if he were town. Same goes for mara.
3) You had one vote on you. Prohawk was at L-1 a while back. "Seeing which way the wind blows" makes no sense since I switched from Prohawk TO you.

Ok, lets see.
Point 1 was already answered in what you quoted above.
Point 2 - at this point in time, Prohawk had already explained why he was not so active.
Point 3 is an obvious misunderstanding of what I posted.

Done.

Yeah...no.

So you would feel that calling someone scum and not voting them would be vague and non-committal?

THIS JUST IN: everyone with multiple scumreads is scum

Prohawk has already explained why he wasn't active?

THIS JUST IN: believe everything everyone says

"Scum, however, would be more inclined to see which way the wind blows before making a stand one way or another " - rufflig
3) You had one vote on you. Prohawk was at L-1 a while back. "Seeing which way the wind blows" makes no sense since I switched from Prohawk TO you.

Yeah I don't see how that is a misunderstanding

"Done"

[orcinus_theoriginal]

I'm not liking Mara, yeah.

I feel like she'd be more...oh I don't know. Chatty, involved, etc

[orcinus_theoriginal]

I like orc a little more!

jsyk, if you're reading me the way I think you're reading me, it probably does not work

because I remember hiding in an longass argument that nobody read in my first SK game because I suck(ed?)

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Yo Kaze why is Rufflig mislynch bait

I think I have an argument for why Rufflig is scum and not antsytown

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Especially if it has anything to do with longass arguments.

ok sorry

i was just thinking of you coaching me a while back on something

nvm then

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Yo Kaze why is Rufflig mislynch bait

I think I have an argument for why Rufflig is scum and not antsytown

Mostly just a gut feeling.

Your thoughts on him?

I think his jump on Tammy was a tad silly, but I hated his OMGUS at my FOS.

In the little back and forth we've had I think that he does what I do as scum sometimes and dismisses an argument outright from a...almost condescending perspective, to avoid being drawn into a losing argument

So he did this in saying "You quite clearly misunderstood what I'm saying", leaving it at that, saying "I answered htis already", so on so forth, when I don't think I did

And even if I did misunderstood or whatever I feel like that since I am someone who Rufflig /was/ townreading (and I find it hard that a stance could genuinely shift so hard from a single FoS) if Rufflig were town he'd be trying to talk me out of my scumread rather than attacking me instead

[orcinus_theoriginal]

tbh I'm not in a lynch mindset right now, more "Let's get votes on scumreads"

Maybe it will result in a lynch maybe not but I think it would give us something to work with

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Your answers feels kinda like scum trying to defend another scum buddies... Why should I not believe this is what happening

asdfaihdhashahahaahahahahahahahaav

FUZZYLOGIC99.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Tammy would be obvtown to me but the only meta of her is skype maf and that can be misleading sometimes

[orcinus_theoriginal]

hi pitoli

do you think your scumgame has advanced since when we played last

[orcinus_theoriginal]

This game thread has been absolute shit so far, IMO

VOTE: mara

[orcinus_theoriginal]

talk to me about that vote, because I don't see where it's coming from especially when You had a recent hydra game with me where I've done nothing BUT complain about shit.

I don't try to remember that hydra game

[orcinus_theoriginal]

But I think you were somewhat justified in that game considering you had nacho on your butt like 24/7

You don't this game and I think your tone is a bit colder than your town tone

[orcinus_theoriginal]

But

I

Have made reads that were considered to be "to early"

More often as town, than as scum.

I'm right, roughly 50% of the time.

so, why is it bad to make a read to early for me specifically?

you realize of course if i just call everyone town i woul dhave a much higher accuracy rate than 50%

Is this redux of the invisible cases people like to drive against me

[orcinus_theoriginal]

why?

Kaze please talk to me about Orci - you've been hard defending him all game for reasons that aren't clear to me and I want to know what you're seeing.

Because I'm

Natalia Luzu Kimlasca-Lanvaldear

,

Town-Aligned Stalker

. I have quite the thing for Orc's role, apparently, and as such I've stalked him and know his rolename(which I shan't reveal) and alignment. Orc doesn't know this, though, as far as my role indicates.

Oh, and if Orc gets lynched I get mod-confirmed for some reason.

Kay?

i have an exam in 20 minutes

BUT

LOL

ASDFADSHFOIH

[orcinus_theoriginal]

I really wish you hadn't done that but it's funny nonetheless

And by the way, I believe that you get mod-confirmed regardless of how I die

[orcinus_theoriginal]

I don't actually, there are specific cases where your death won't confirm me, but I won't reveal them.

Wait, why do you sound like you knew my role?

*facepalm*

[orcinus_theoriginal]

So, now what?

Let's synch reads really quick

I'm opposed to lynching fery, nacho, or any of the other big players today on principle.

I am not seeing scum pitoli and I don't think you're on the right track there

Talk to me about Mara, Rufflig, SSK and Prohawk

[orcinus_theoriginal]

This game is giving me a headache...Cant make really head or tails between who is scum and whose a nice blue townie. Curse you scum for making it so hard.

fery this kind of statement I find normally tends hard to town or scum meta

Did fuzzy ever say anything like this in your dive?

[orcinus_theoriginal]

I remember pit was apathetic as fuck as scum

I really like fery right now

I am toying around with the idea of a townbloc even though all my sense tells me that will be what fucks this game over

[orcinus_theoriginal]

ruffligs flip on me is still shit jsyk

[orcinus_theoriginal]

also re fuzzy, i was thinking about how a complaint about headaches is a tell for certain people

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Deacon why'd you hop off?

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Also hi bork

I treat fery as the only member of your hydra because that's how I read hydras, I choose the player I'm most comfortable with and try to read them

You were also wrong about your read on me and I had no meta with you so I didn't really find talking to you a priority

Do you have something you feel went unnoticed?

[orcinus_theoriginal]

I could tell you what I would do as scum, but then I would have to kill you.

Also, could anyone explain to me why Kaze's claim pushes him up into the town-ranks? I have a hard time seeing a role that when claimed in thread with give two confirmed town in a 13 player game. Seems a little too OP to me.

Here we go, here we go

VOTE: Prohawk

Kaze does my action give you IC

[orcinus_theoriginal]

@orci - is it possible, based on what you know about your role PM, that kaze is possibly scum that is confirmed as scum when you die? A simple Y/N is fine.

highly improbable

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Orc I read you correctly fuck you

if you scumread me then townread me the odds are in your favor for reading me correctly

on the kaze issue, the one thing I found very strange was that he would be mod-confirmed town if I were to die by lynch. I am highly unlikely to be lynched.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

VOTE: mara

Friends pls

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Thanks

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Fery vote rufflig

[orcinus_theoriginal]

rufflig/mara 2013

going to make a case on wednesday maybe i am very busy with exams right now

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Yeah I do

We all know you have a habit of being bad at scumbuddy interactions

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Ok um

Dude

Not a scum meltdown UNVOTE:

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Holy shit lol I'm sorry?

[orcinus_theoriginal]

i'm chickening out.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Hey, Nacho. Mind if I bounce something off you?

MafiaSSK similar to Aunt J?

Are you bouncing this off of him because you think nacho is town and value his reads on another player?

Also where is your paranoia of nacho?

this is EXACTLY what went through my mind

but i'm starting to chicken out on rufflig and thinking about ssk instead

uggh

[orcinus_theoriginal]

also i think the only people rufflig has had absolutely minimal interaction with is nacho and mara

could be wrong

[orcinus_theoriginal]

orc, tell me who to vote.

I'll work on this game tonight, I literally have nothing else to do.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

You know what's funny and what makes me feel like I'm even more right? This fake, let me dig up Tammy's partners. You're not inexperienced. You know that making partner analysis before a flip is bunk. You know that reading people off a read that could be completely incorrect is a horrible way of scumhunting, but yet you're doing it because you need a fake means of scumhunting.

meh it helps in situational cases

like at lylo or if you're playing with like mastin or someone who has a known method of interaction with scumbuddies

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Hi nacho

[orcinus_theoriginal]

VOTE: nacho

who's online righ tnow

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Do you want to go over a potential townbloc

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Ahhhhh

I wish this were skype where I would get notifications

I am more concerned right now with making sure we have a town block and a way forward in this game in case I am the NK tonight (hint hint).

I am confident in my reads on Mac, Deacon, and Tammy. Kaze is conftown to me right now.

The five of us need to sync our reads before the day ends.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Ok.

I would like to lynch Rufflig today.

I think a flip on rufflig would tell us for certain the alignment on mara's spot, especially given the nature of that ragequit.

SSK reminds me of those annoying obstinate lurker-townies I am unfortunately familiar with. I feel like scum would be more...mellow?

[orcinus_theoriginal]

yeah the townbloc looks good. orc are you absolutely sure, his play aside, that kaze can't be scum fakeclaiming?

SSK is bugging the fuck out of me. his lurking in imperishable night was different because it was prod dodges pretty much. here it feels like he's trying to make an effort but still trying to lurk enough to make it work as scum. hopefully that makes sense.

i want pitoli dead. i've made that clear.

do you think rufflig will flip scum or is it purely an information lynch? because i'm not planning on going along with an info lynch solely for mara's slot. I think myko will clear this up on his own hopefully, once he solidfies his reads.

I think our choices have to be between pitoli-SSK-Rufflig. that's my order for lynching, too. i'm not averse to lynching any, but I am averse to an info lynch.

No. Kaze could be scum fakeclaiming. The thing that is bugging me is the comment about me lynching giving him mod-clear. That doesn't make sense.

I've given enough reasons as to why rufflig is scum. The info on mara is a nice add-on.

I'm not a fan of info lynches either.

Mac, what did you think of pitoli's interactions with nacho?

And do you have a town read on nacho?

Are you confident about nacho?

[orcinus_theoriginal]

I misused a word here.

Do you have sufficient doubt on nacho that I should be looking at lynching him d1?

[orcinus_theoriginal]

OH RIGHT

VOTE: minami

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Please do.

Everything about what I expected from GiF and Sakura has not been fulfilled and it might be more interesting than rufflig or whatever

[orcinus_theoriginal]

i hate your reads but i haven't decided how much scum that makes you

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Fuckit.

I'm not voting the wagon nacho and ssk are on.

VOTE: Rufflig

Kazzzzzzeeeeeeeee

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Fery it's surprising me why you're not voting rufflig considering that you have rufflig on your list and that ruffligs flip basically tells us mykos alignment

[orcinus_theoriginal]

VOTE: SSK

Rufflig is not an info lynch. It's a scum lynch with a lot of additional info provided.

Rufflig is scum because
1) needlessly condescending attitude which protects him from going into an argument or whatever
2) that entire back and forth with Tammy is bullshit. He flat out lied at one point in time to try and save his ass, saying that he wasn't going to go partner hunt after he said that he did. That's why he wanted to do point 1.
3) "Pity that you voted me I was town reading you"

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Uh if you're voting rufflig then VC is off

[orcinus_theoriginal]

And yet there goes your vote, orc.

Dude if nobody's going to jump on with me I'm not going to waste my time. I can sit my vote on another lynch target while you people come around to senses

[orcinus_theoriginal]

@ Myko
As somebody once said in a movie...." if we were in different circumstances we might of been friends. "Maybe one day we can play on a town team together . It just happened that you landed a scum slot

is this really goddamn forced or is it just me

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Where did myko say that it was fuzzy playing the newb card?

I'd prefer to not lynch myko today.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

by people defending fuzzy

but ok

nacho's disappearance from thread is...sitewide?

[orcinus_theoriginal]

That nacho suggestion looked like it implied the knowledge of a scum encryptor

[orcinus_theoriginal]

I'm on a plane lol

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Hi

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Because too many town?

Yes.

Has anyone else /not/ been getting this vibe from nacho's posting?

[orcinus_theoriginal]

I dunno. I'm in the process of figuring that out!

You realize that most of your posts are you being questioned, but questioning

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Christ it's getting hard to get my head into a game

[orcinus_theoriginal]

what good info is that pray tell

The wagon was absolutely scum-driven.

and apathetic town

i'm sorry I forgot about this

I dislike myko/night action interaction

[orcinus_theoriginal]

That lynch was bad and you should all feel bad.

VOTE: PITOLI

Cannot stress enough how much scum pitoli is. She has just came in here discrediting the wagon whilst she did

NOTHING

to stop it or even attempt to stop it. SCUM.

I do this /all the time/.

Mostly when I lack the balls to oppose a wagon but was screaming at it in my head.

I still like her.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

why didn't orci-kaze get broken up?

are we going to get into night wifom.

Might be me misinterpreting, but this looked really awkward.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

fery hasn't posted yet which shocks me.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

nobody look at me

[orcinus_theoriginal]

I dont think Kaze/ Orcina are Masons, They seem more like lovers. I don't think Deacon role is important since he is dead and whatever his PR was is sadly useless to us.

@ The Original
Is your relationship with Kaze one sided or are both of you interconnected.This to say you have a role related to Kaze ? I know your role (name)...

I didn't want to post today because xmas and all but this is the most holy shit useless post I have ever come across in all my years of mafia.

Also you should tell me how you know my rolename and what it is.

VOTE: fuzzy in the meantme

[orcinus_theoriginal]

I feel like the scum in this game have decided to fake innocents on each other

and just not kill the two quasi-mason pairs so they can hide behind that and laugh all the way to end game.

Basically I just really don't see how Rufflig/Minaho are both town.

unfortunately they cannot do this

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Scum don't pause when they mislynch…they rejoice.

I'l be back in a day or two after I've mourned the loss of SSK.

huehuehue

But in all reality, if they both end up being town, SSK was the easier lynch. Ironic considering you called me scum for going for an easy lynch.

Why would I go for the easier lynch when I postured so nicely and so completely against Rufflig? I accused you for going for an easy lynch since you normally don't bother with lynchbait for the first couple of days and instead look to pick on stronger players, but that's not what you did in this game.

i would just like to remind you that that does not make you town

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Also if the cop wants to investigate me I am fine with that. I welcome it.

pitoli, what do you think?

this is worth bringing up

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Actually pitoli are you here right now

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Nacho what about you

[orcinus_theoriginal]

can you talk to me about what you think about myko

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Let me explain why i asked

pitoli
Nachomamma8
MykonianMs Marangal
TheFuzzylogic99

In this list are the 4 people I don't have a strong strong town read on

I am going to vig one of these four people before the day ends and another should be lynched

Tell me who it should be

Pedit: I think myko is scum, but mara's replace out bugs me like holy hell

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Mara's replace out is a major pull for town-Myko, I think.

So from your perspective, you are strong towning nacho and believe kaze and minami.

This leaves the following list for you

MykonianMs Marangal
Tammy
ProHawk
TheFuzzylogic99
Mac

Who's scum

[orcinus_theoriginal]

ok

im going to go vig nacho now

in the words of a great man, don't give a fuck and god bless the usa

[orcinus_theoriginal]

oh wait shit i have to wait for fuzzy to respond to me first

Pedit lol yeah i just remembered i have to wait anyways

[orcinus_theoriginal]

more and more i feel like you are town so probably not

[orcinus_theoriginal]

if you are scum you must have balls the size of basketballs

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Well, eh. They're both equally scummy. I think nacho would be why fery was nightkilled over me or kaze though

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Before you vig me I have an approximate fuckton of information to drop on the thread.

ok

And also, if you vig me, you can never bitch about me not being able to read you ever ever again.

ok

[orcinus_theoriginal]

With 13 players alive, it takes 7 votes to lynch or no lynch.

Minami no Hana (2):mykonian, ProHawk(L-5)
The Rufflig (2):MafiaSSK, Tammy (L-5)
Nachomamma8 (1): pitoli, (L-6)

MafiaSSK (7): orcinus_theoriginal, TheFuzzylogic99, Mac, Nachomamma8, The Rufflig, Minami no Hana, Kazekirimaru (LYNCH)

Not Voting (1): Deacon Blues

Upon review, we're extending the deadline by 24 hours to account for site downtime the past few days.

Absolute deadline falls on Wednesday, December 18th, at 4PM GMT -7.

This is in (expired on 2013-12-19 16:00:00)

Since a lynch has been reached, the remaining 42 hours as of the hammer post have been added to Day 2's deadline.

First of all, there was scum on the MafiaSSK wagon. This is a bit of a crazy spoiler alert, but I think it might be Kaze. It doesn't make any fucking sense for there to be a player that confirms you, a role that pretty much confirms itself as town ANYWAYS, and the "I get my alignment confirmed" claim gives motive to Kaze claiming as early as he did.

varsoon factor

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Why do you have a strong townread on Prohawk?

I get this overwhelming sense of transparency in his posting and a sense that he's actually trying to figure shit out

[orcinus_theoriginal]

What do you mean by Varsoon factor?

i read that post wrong sorry i read "it makes no sense for kaze to claim the way he did"

ummm

is he scum claim aside?

[orcinus_theoriginal]

I would also like SakuraGiF to full claim because then it might clear things up a bit.

Not yet please.

He could be scum, but there's nothing particularly damning in his ISO quite yet: only weird thing is myko-Kaze interactions which have them cross tunneling for a little while, then Kaze has his lynch pool as me+two of his scumbuddies at one point, then later his two scumbuddies drop out of his scumlist and he has two new consensus reads to replace them.

I was actually just reading over that and was thinking to myself "hmmm is this myko/nacho trying to find someone to go after because really and truly with all these claims they do need a target"

[orcinus_theoriginal]

I fell asleep sry

[orcinus_theoriginal]

3) Actually they get to see a role of someone town, which has its pros even if its a role not worth night-killing. Aside from that Mafia-Goons aren't that util anyway.

I just noticed this.

I don't know Orc's actual abilities, just his rolename and alignment. So, no.

@ The Original

I know that You are Asch the Bloody. It was pretty easy to figure out. The vig role does not make 100 % sense but from what I learned from deathnote the game sometimes is not always what it seems . There were a bunch of oddly placed PR in that game.. . I prefer you do not kill me however if you do than it will confirm my some of my reads so it wont be a total useless death. I think Pit would be the best choice. It would clarify the field as well as he the scummiest at the moment.

@ No Hana
Are you making a cop claim

wait a second WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON

MY ROLE PM SAYS ORCI IS A DIFFERENT ROLE THAN THIS

hello

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Need to check if fruit vendors can be anti town...

this should not be your line of thinking

[orcinus_theoriginal]

I sort of want to mass claim. discuss.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

fuck it we're massclaiming

nacho<myko<fuzzy then whatever order you guys want

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Need to check if fruit vendors can be anti town...

this should not be your line of thinking

Why not? It's a double checking sort of thing for a role that essentially exists to confirm itself - its utility isn't town or scum inherently.

I don't think scum fruit vendors are completely unheard of, but the claim probably does help the town a little; every person with a confirmable role makes it easier for us to figure out the setup.

I think instead of "is fruit vender town" the question is "is she a fruit vender"

3) Actually they get to see a role of someone town, which has its pros even if its a role not worth night-killing. Aside from that Mafia-Goons aren't that util anyway.

I just noticed this.

I don't know Orc's actual abilities, just his rolename and alignment. So, no.

@ The Original

I know that You are Asch the Bloody. It was pretty easy to figure out. The vig role does not make 100 % sense but from what I learned from deathnote the game sometimes is not always what it seems . There were a bunch of oddly placed PR in that game.. . I prefer you do not kill me however if you do than it will confirm my some of my reads so it wont be a total useless death. I think Pit would be the best choice. It would clarify the field as well as he the scummiest at the moment.

@ No Hana
Are you making a cop claim

wait a second WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON

MY ROLE PM SAYS ORCI IS A DIFFERENT ROLE THAN THIS

hello

again.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

are you serious?

I don't know Orc's actual abilities, just his rolename and alignment.

MY ROLE PM SAYS ORCI IS A DIFFERENT ROLE THAN THIS

[orcinus_theoriginal]

I'm pretty much mod confirmed to be a title vendor so why would the question be is she a title vendor?

This, Orci.

missed it sry

[orcinus_theoriginal]

I don't see the discrepancy between the statements. My role PM states your rolename and alignment. According to my PM, your rolename is not the name Fuzzy guessed you were.

Am I wrong or is he wrong? Are you Asch the Bloody?

I am not.

Why would you take anything fuzzy said to heart.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Need for a reset is looking more and more urgent

yep

myko claim asap

[orcinus_theoriginal]

pit i am very adamant about this massclaim

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Fine, fine. Did you want me to claim now or are you waiting for anybody else?

nah you can go

[orcinus_theoriginal]

cabd wtf

[orcinus_theoriginal]

I dont mind claiming.... I am Noir leader of the Darkwing circus. I am a town alligned neighbor. I dont know if my partner(s) want to claim or not.

who is your neighbor

[orcinus_theoriginal]

nacho needs to claim and we can popcorn from there

[orcinus_theoriginal]

no

[orcinus_theoriginal]

@ Kaze
I feel that that would be the wrong thing to do

i will literally flashwagon you if you don't out your neighbor right now.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Either Kaze or York needs to reveals Orcs name or role or I will consider him as scum.

stupid

stupid stupid stupid

stupid

idk im at a loss for words

[orcinus_theoriginal]

ok

lynch kaze after i die today

nacho if i fucking find out that you're scum this game i will poison all your beer when i come to chicago

[orcinus_theoriginal]

im not actually a vig

[orcinus_theoriginal]

i have hugs of death

[orcinus_theoriginal]

yes

[orcinus_theoriginal]

YEAH THIS IS WHY I WAS SO CONFUSED BY KAZE'S CLAIM INITIALLY

[orcinus_theoriginal]

on the kaze issue, the one thing I found very strange was that he would be mod-confirmed town if I were to die by lynch. I am highly unlikely to be lynched.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

no i believe kaze is town though i strongly believe kaze is town

[orcinus_theoriginal]

I STILL THINK NACHO IS SCUM HNNNNGGGGGGG

>explains the fery NK
>kaze role is to counteract all the fucking PRs that we have
>idk man nacho/mara makes sense

[orcinus_theoriginal]

i just did.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

myko

[orcinus_theoriginal]

normally i'd go nacho but i know that with tammy here nacho is still lynchable

and like if he's scum he's put up a pretty good show

Pedit i love you kaze

[orcinus_theoriginal]

gameplay. his role makes all of no sense, but that's ok.

Pedit: I have no idea what you are anymore. If you didn't have that fucking retarded read on kaze I'd be calling you town based on your post vig-threat performance

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Like look at his play. Kaze has had a few mental lapses here and there but it makes no sense for him to be scum.

Look how proactive he is.

Look at how genuine his reactions are.

Okay his role makes no sense in isolation but look at the setup. I think cabd would make a one-sided mason. I think he would do that.

Pedit: The things you've attacked his gameplay for are not things that are scummy, they are things that suggest bad-town.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

A one-sided mason, sure. But a one sided mason which a role whose only purpose is to confirm itself and get a gladiatored lynch? No. Fuck no.

This is mod-created mislynch bait.

Which is ok because town right now is a billion shades of PR

[orcinus_theoriginal]

to the grave we depart together

wait what lol

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Yes but that's more because of the state of the game, which has grown less apathetic after day 1 until all this claiming mess

And also given all this madness if i were in his shoes i too would be considering bastard

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Cabds idea of mod created mislynch bait is a miller doctor with a scum strongman in the game, not a useless town role like that

? we have a miller doctor wht

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Petit: sure because you were a role that was meant to get mislynched.

Say that again?

[orcinus_theoriginal]

wait what lol

You exploded, right?

well wehn cabd gets online yeah wait are you dead too i didn't understand "we go to the grave together" ws that a figure of speech

[orcinus_theoriginal]

And I'm pretty damn sure if he's town and I attacked him in the way I did he wouldn't go "lol I don't have to defend myself", considering role and considering play.

that's before i announced that i was a suicide bomber

[orcinus_theoriginal]

And I'm pretty damn sure if he's town and I attacked him in the way I did he wouldn't go "lol I don't have to defend myself", considering role and considering play.

that's before i announced that i was a suicide bomber

Exactly. The only reason I could see him embrace his death so easily as town is if he believes he's going to be mislynched regardless of what the hell happens, but he made the response he did before all of that happened.

no but before i announced i was a suicide bomber and his claim went to all of "this makes no sense", he was basically conftown

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Claiming:

I am Fon Master Ion and am a Town-Aligned 1-Shot Motivator. Not sure if Motivator is a known role or not (I didn't know what it was) but if everyone doesn't know what it does, I would prefer scum don't know until tomorrow.

Who does that leave?

Nacho - Do you believe Minami-No-Hana?

role madness confirmed

[orcinus_theoriginal]

wait shit i wouldn't put it past cabd to put a single VT in a role madness game

wait wait wait shit

[orcinus_theoriginal]

i retracted my action for the time being

[orcinus_theoriginal]

what's his scumteam?

myko/kaze/...?

[orcinus_theoriginal]

wait shit i wouldn't put it past cabd to put a single VT in a role madness game

wait wait wait shit

Do you think that he would put a single VT in a role madness game AND Kaze role?

I DONT FUCKING KNOW ANYMORE

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Pitoli. The full hider when everyone else has weak roles and role madness doesn't make sense either.

i was just thinking about that

fuckkkkkk i want to believe that you're scum everything would be so much easier

[orcinus_theoriginal]

wow

[orcinus_theoriginal]

gameplay. his role makes all of no sense, but that's ok.

Pedit: I have no idea what you are anymore. If you didn't have that fucking retarded read on kaze I'd be calling you town based on your post vig-threat performance

i still have my "can read nacho card"