Mini 1525: Tales of The Abyss Mafia GAME OVER!

[Tammy]

Ha!

I'm town
I rule, you drool.

VOTE: nacho

Bring the good stuff!

[Tammy]

Ha!

I'm town
I rule, you drool.

VOTE: nacho

Bring the good stuff!

But seriously, next time you roll scum against me, don't have such a mechanical, robotic opening. Like, I can see what you were getting at:

Expression joy at rolling town.

Declaration of being town.
Classic Tammy shit talking.

Vote someone you're familiar with.

But the actual execution saw your joy as extraordinarily short-lived and easily fakeable, the declaration of being town similar and spoken without CONVICTION, and the shittalking sorely lacking.

I thought at first you were trolling me and it made me laugh as I thought it was super cute, though with this I think you might be serious, and if so you're clearly off your rocker and still have a few classes of training in the school o' reading Tammy.

Well yes, I declared I'm town because I'm duh town.

I wasn't shit talking. It's a joke and I'm not going to tell you why, but I was and still am highly amused by it. Maybe I'll let you in my secret circle, but I have to think you're town first, and while the trolling and silly push is a good start, you're not there yet.

I always vote someone I'm familiar with.

Bringing me good stuff does not include trying to lynch me. I can't even think of a title for how bad stuff it is. If you're trolling me then maybe it's the beginning of good stuff but that remains to be seen.

And if you're actually serious with that last stuff then you and me need to have a talk bucko. I am still amused by my joke, there's nothing mechanical about it. But hey, you want to see a Tammy town tell in the making? Check out the time stamp of that post. That's right, 6:10am. That means I woke up and immediately checked to see if this game was open so I could make a corny joke. If I somehow sound mechanical and I really don't know how I could, it's probably because I hadn't even been awake 5 minutes yet.

So, yeah, keep telling me how much I'm the scum I'm not.

[Tammy]

Wait you didn't just think by trolling me at the beginning of the game, you'd remind me of 501 and wingate and write you off as town did you?

Bravo if you did, but it doesn't work like that.

[Tammy]

Did you really think I was scum? I thought if you were trolling me you'd keep it up.

[Tammy]

Just so you all know, there are too many quote stripers here. I mean I guess it's a nice balance to the spam posting ala moi but dayum, my eyes glazes over.

I will actually read the game when not skimming on my phone later, just wanted to whine. Oh and I want to give fuzzy a hug, which means he's town.

[Tammy]

Also I'm not always super town in my openings.

[Tammy]

VOTE: prohawk

[Tammy]

Hey guys. I will get to who the scum on my wagon is later. Have an exam tomorrow. Although gut says The Rufflig and Tammy.

VOTE: Tammy

I hear probiotics work wonders for your trouble.

[Tammy]

Nope!

[Tammy]

My role pm says otherwise. So will anyone who actually knows my play. You should look elsewhere and save yourself a headache.

[Tammy]

What makes you think scum have to be on the wagon?

[Tammy]

Also what makes you think scum don't start wagons?

[Tammy]

Tammy who do you have as scum?

Haven't read the game.

[Tammy]

I love how the person I voted started question-tunneling me.

You don't look nervous at all.

I'm not nervous. I'm not getting lynched. Being town when I'm town is what I do.

Asking two questions about your motives is not question-tunneling by the way.

[Tammy]

Tammy who do you have as scum?

Haven't read the game.

So what was your reason for joining the prohawk wagon? Because Nacho said?

Yep:

Can you vote hawk with me until you find a better scumread?

[Tammy]

The stars elongated by as it accelerated to lightspeed.

At this point in the game? I'd think scum would try to push someone who has already had suspicion cast upon them than just vote a 2-post wonder and call for more votes.

Do you think it was a wagon intended for a lynch?

[Tammy]

When do you expect to have the thread read?

In the next day or so. Thursday at the latest.

[Tammy]

Haven't read the game.

Here. Have some incentive to do so.

VOTE: Tammy

Sorry it doesn't work that way. That actually will make me not read the thread. If you don't want to actually scum hunt that's your thing.

[Tammy]

Actually

VOTE: the rufflig

That was quite possibly the most horrible hop on my wagon you could have thought of.

[Tammy]

Like I can't possibly think that you actually think someone is scum for not reading the previous pages of the game, blatantly admitting to not doing it, yet jumping in where I am and interacting, which is just as important if not far more important.

So, that's really really lazy. And I don't think town you is that lazy.

[Tammy]

Nope. I think it's scum motivated "pressure". You see two people voting me for silliness. And you apply pressure for me to "read the thread". It doesn't work that way. Did you think it would make me hop to it to read the thread? No.

You saw another wagon rising while the Prohawk one was dropping, and it looked easy for you to join for quite possibly the dumbest reason I think I've ever been voted. I think you wanted an easy wagon to join so you wouldn't have to actually scumhunt.

There was no need to pressure anyway, you've already seen me react to the two votes that were on me. If you actually thought that I was reacting poorly, you would have mentioned that. You didn't bother because you can't find anything scummy about my reactions to the votes on me. So, you went for "incentive" which is poor and lazy.

[Tammy]

Nacho either thought he was scum or wanted him sorted.

But, the difference is, if you wanted to pressure me, you wouldn't have given the scummiest laziest stupidest reason to vote me ever. You'd just have given a vote, maybe parroted that I was the scum on the wagon, but you didn't. You felt the need to give a stupid reason, that's what was scummy.

Also, I was already reacting to my wagon. If you were interested in the "pressure" you would have acknowledged something about my already forming reaction.

Also, ALSO, both the people on my wagon also suggested that you could be scum. Gods you joining my wagoning is even scummier than I originally thought it was.

[Tammy]

Do you think it was a wagon intended for a lynch?

Depends on what intentions you're talking about.

Nacho's intention? Probably for pressure. But anyone else's intention is up for debate. It's hard to say whether is a wagon is purely an X wagon or a Y wagon or what have you since it's pushed by multiple people.

You do realize that you were on that bandwagon, do you not?

What were your reasons?

[Tammy]

Well, it is a serious vote now and you've provided plenty of reasons for it.

Mkay. I feel better about my vote. Except you have a 100% better chance of flipping scum than I do.

[Tammy]

You do realize that you were on that bandwagon, do you not?

What were your reasons?

Because Nacho told me to. And I like wagons.

[Tammy]

If you have a problem then out with it.

I'm just gonna let that marinate.

[Tammy]

You've been taking your activia!

[Tammy]

You do realize that you were on that bandwagon, do you not?

What were your reasons?

Because Nacho told me to. And I like wagons.

But isn't that what you were doing with ProHawk vote?

It absolutely was, and part of why I told him I was letting that marinate. The differences being, I was responding to a direct request from Nacho that I help him out with his wagon until I had a suspect to push, when he knew I didn't have any actual suspects because I said I hadn't read the game but skim and glaze over everyone's quote stripe walls. Also, I didn't then attempt to scum hunt the wagon I was on and claim people were scum for the exact same reasons I was on the wagon (though slightly different because I responded to a direct request and he was just bandgwagoning because Nacho had said it in general.) Hypocrisy isn't a scum tell necessarily, often just a deficiency in scumhunting, I'm interested in determining the difference.

[Tammy]

It absolutely was, and part of why I told him I was letting that marinate. The differences being, I was responding to a direct request from Nacho that I help him out with his wagon until I had a suspect to push, when he knew I didn't have any actual suspects because I said I hadn't read the game but skim and glaze over everyone's quote stripe walls. Also, I didn't then attempt to scum hunt the wagon I was on and claim people were scum for the exact same reasons I was on the wagon (though slightly different because I responded to a direct request and he was just bandgwagoning because Nacho had said it in general.) Hypocrisy isn't a scum tell necessarily, often just a deficiency in scumhunting, I'm interested in determining the difference.

Okay, then.

Do you think there was no scum on the wagon? If there were, who do you think it would be?

Don't know, couldn't care less.

Wagon analysis before a flip is stupid. You're literally scumhunting on a wagon, you were on, for no reason, for someone you have no idea what their alignment is, because they joined the wagon for the same reason you did. You're not scumhunting the wagon; you're scattershot voting and making up a reason. The faster you admit that to yourself the better you'll be.

I'm voting for who I think scum is.

[Tammy]

@ Tammy
So do you believe that there was no scum on the Pro-Hawk wagon

I don't know. I do think Rufflig is scum and I think Rufflig was on the wagon.

[Tammy]

If one of you could please change your avatar or at least the color of your avatar that would be awesome!

[Tammy]

If we don't lynch Mara or nacho doesn't die soon, it's gonna be especially difficult to read.

[Tammy]

But how will I know who scum are if you're not around to hold my hand?

Also, I know you claimed omgus on ot, but what do you think of my reasoning for rufflig scum?

Pedit: nacho

[Tammy]

RAWRI'MTOWNTOWNTOWNTOWN

My line, get your own.

[Tammy]

[Tammy]

Mac - I'm not scum reading nacho...yet >_>...but that wasn't the point of the question. I was trying to gauge laze.

[Tammy]

*kaze

[Tammy]

UNVOTE: /unvote]
VOTE: nachomamma

you're opening push on me was fake.

[Tammy]

we'll see.

[Tammy]

@ The ruffling
Please explain you motivation(s) for puttting a vote on Tammy. From my POv it seem like a kind of weak reason... If it is a push it kinda seemed like a pointless push. Meaning there are better reason to push a player.

It was a pointless push. I had already stated that I was going to reconsider Prohawk today. With that in mind, no vote of mine could have been considered all that serious. When Tammy said she hadn't read the thread, I couldn't help making a flippant comment and put a vote with it. I had absolutely no expectations of anything happening because of it. Tammy certainly wasn't in any danger of getting lynched, but then she blew up and took it so seriously. That is not a reaction that I see often and I don't recall ever seeing it from Tammy before.

It looked like a scum push to me for all the reasons I said last night. I also think that Kaze's was problematic but he's so new it's hard to pin down exactly.

If you think that's blowing up you've never seen me react to votes on me in a blowing up manner. Why are you using the "I don't recall ever seeing it from Tammy before?" The only time I remember us playing together was when I was scum and I wasn't even voted until endgame where I argued my way out of my votes.

[Tammy]

we'll see.

What do you think of my push on Prohawk?

Based on those couple posts? I figured it was a reaction test. It that regard I don't think much of it as it regards you as it's something you'd easily fake to make it look like you needed to sort people.

[Tammy]

Just so you all know, there are too many quote stripers here. I mean I guess it's a nice balance to the spam posting ala moi but dayum, my eyes glazes over.

I will actually read the game when not skimming on my phone later, just wanted to whine. Oh and I want to give fuzzy a hug, which means he's town.

This is coming from you?

Is this sarcasm?

[Tammy]

It's evolved past that by now.

I was also expecting to get a response to this bit, Tammy.

You have to actually wait until I read your interaction, which is actually just got to.

I don't know though. At the moment I'm going to take a nap because I feel like shit and can't concentrate. I'll get to this later.

[Tammy]

I got busy elsewhere and am now out of mental energy for mafia. So, tomorrow.

[Tammy]

Although I will say, Mara calling me town off one post is kinda weird. She did put a question mark next to it, and I haven't yet called myself town in my first post as scum before, and maybe I did sound relaxed? Idk, but I have fooled her twice and last game she was wondering why I wasn't obvtown by like page 7 or something.

I can never be satisfied though, I'm surprised when people don't realize I'm town then nervous when people do.

All right sleep.

[Tammy]

Just so you all know, there are too many quote stripers here. I mean I guess it's a nice balance to the spam posting ala moi but dayum, my eyes glazes over.

I will actually read the game when not skimming on my phone later, just wanted to whine. Oh and I want to give fuzzy a hug, which means he's town.

This is coming from you?

Is this sarcasm?

No.

I found it weird that you thought there were to many quote strips considering that you are a known waller (I think)

I *do* have a tendency to wall, but a wall is not necessarily a quote stripe though quote stripes are walls. It's no secret that I have a hard time with quote stripers. My eyes tend to glaze and I have a hard time getting reads from them. Give me a wall of thoughts, I can follow that any day. Too many quote stripes and I'm uh yeah.

[Tammy]

Okay I'm going to stop being totally self-absorbed and only responding to things that have to do with me and will read this game tonight. Promise.

[Tammy]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: rufflig

[Tammy]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: rufflig

Mind if I ask, why?

going back to my first gut read.

[Tammy]

@ Deacon and Pitoli

Curious about your reads so far

Why did you ask pitoli here?

[Tammy]

actually

VOTE: ms. marangal

[Tammy]

...i want to vote rufflig again

holding the urge...

[Tammy]

If one of you could please change your avatar or at least the color of your avatar that would be awesome!

[Tammy]

@Minami no Hana: None of the players I listed had taken any stands on any players. I was quite willing to pressure any of them. (Unless you want to count "Oh and I want to give fuzzy a hug, which means he's town." a stand.)

It's an awesomely beautiful stand do you have something against hugs maybe you should get more joy in your life or something. Also ftr voting me will not make me give stances, that's alignment irrelevant.

[Tammy]

VOTE: rufflig

[Tammy]

Don't know, couldn't care less.

Wagon analysis before a flip is stupid. You're literally scumhunting on a wagon, you were on, for no reason, for someone you have no idea what their alignment is, because they joined the wagon for the same reason you did. You're not scumhunting the wagon; you're scattershot voting and making up a reason. The faster you admit that to yourself the better you'll be.

I'm voting for who I think scum is.

So am I making up reasons, or do I have no reasons? Am I scumhunting in your opinion, or aren't I? If I had no idea what your alignment is, why would I make up reasons?

This post is a clusterfuck, miss.

You were on a wagon for no reason. You were then "scumhunting" the wagon you were on and accusing people for being on a wagon for the same "non" reasons you were.

No you were not actually scumhunting.

If the wagon had actually led to a lynch, and Prohawk flipped town, then analyzing his wagon would be a thing. That didn't happen. If you are town, which by your later claim you probably are, then you have no idea what Prohawk's alignment is. Therefore, "scumhunting" his wagon is inane busywork at best.

Pressure voting and reaction testing is a thing, but don't mistake it for what it's not.

[Tammy]

Because if not, you don't know how to read Tammy and I'll probably be too drunk by the time I finish explaining her meta for you to completely understand it.

I'm drunk now and I was looking forward to reading all about me and i haz a disappoint.

[Tammy]

Livin' in the past, livin' in the past~

In my absorption I let a couple things get past me

[Tammy]

Oh and Nacho, get over yourself. I have yet to see any game-changing moves from you. You are overrated.

We are early day one, not even at page 20, what "game-changing moves" are you expecting?

[Tammy]

How did you interpret my request that (someone) unvote prohawk? Furthermore, what is your current read on him?

You seemed concerned that someone might quick hammer Prohawk and end the day prematurely.

My current thoughts on Prohawk: Unengaged with the game. Does not care if he is lynched or not. Pressure will not work on him. I do not expect any meaningful contributions from him. Null. (Although, if he's town and has no intention of playing, he really should do the honorable thing and replace out).

If pressure will not work on him, why did you join his pressure wagon?

[Tammy]

Oh Okay, wait, my vote might be in the right place. I'm now remembering Mara reading me as town early in Chef Mafia. I think. Check back later.

[Tammy]

Why did you choose Tammy to push on in your opening post?

Because her opening post was boring, seemed overly terse. Thought I was sensing a bit of weakness, couldn't pass up the opportunity to catch Tammy-scum in one post and make up for chosen mafia. I did research into her other opening posts and everything!

You did?

I'd really like to know what recent town games have been wordy? Or what games you're comparing it to for my openings that you are comparing it to.

[Tammy]

Tammy

is

town isn't she?

why does when I make that read on her, matter?

making a read too early is generally not a good sign because scum know alignments already and can guess what will happen with reads on certain players based on those players

!!!

[Tammy]

Can you provide YOUR reads and why you think that way?

Sure.

GiF's town.



No really that was a joke, anyway as for my reads.

Rufflig: Leaning Scum, I didnt like his vote hoping everytime someone did as much as suspect him, and his vote on prohawk seemed opportunistic (bus?)
prohawk: Scum, Don't like his attitude this game, but then again i didnt like him in xenologue either and he was town, so i'm letting Nacho deal with him, besides, GiF wants our vote to be on Rufflig.
Mara: Null, because idk wth is she thinking atm, she's doing nothing for me to work with, just a vote...
You: Leaning Town, tho i'm not sure what you're asking everyone's reads for, unless you're planning on doing that big towntell of yours (or you just remembered why i thought you were scum for in that newbie game and refined your scum game for that?).
Kaze: Null, I think im not able to read Kaze at all
orc: Leaning Town, so far he seems like someone that wants to contribute in general.
Mac: Leaning Town, I like his posts so far, specially his interactions with the other players.

Now you asking reads out of everyone is causing me to be paranoid because on that newbie game where you were scum I had to ask you to do trajectory analisis and that's what in the end made me think you were scum, and idk if you're doing this for the towntell or because of your trajectory from that game.

INVISIBLE!!!

[Tammy]

PROHAWK - If I was a gut scum read on like page 5 or whatever, how come you haven't directed anything to me since then?

[Tammy]

Oh i did miss the role reveal, well guess that takes my worries off Kaze and strengthens my read on orc then, considering it's a confirmable role if lynching orc does do what he said.

You were able to find the role claim and clear in four minutes after deacon pointed out that you hadn't caught it?

[Tammy]

Yes being Hypocritical is a partial scum tell. It means you are not being honest....
Once again it goes back to rather you are being honest and truthful... Townie have very little to hide

True but players usually have a scum play-style and a townie style... not always but often. Unless you know my townie style how can you say this is my scum style/

I give you this one though If you are a scum lurker you would more likely not want to replace out...

Ok yes she posted 3 continuous vote and yes that is suspicious. However you seem to jump on that pretty quickly. You dont seem to care if there is a rational reason for action or not. In other words it seems like you were looking for a reason to vote for someone in order to look like you were scum hunting

not sure how you got apologetic from that when it obviously me being nice..but Ok.. I guess I can see how it could be misread

I have absolutely no idea who you are talking to or about here.

[Tammy]

Pedit: Nope, not really. Tammy doesn't bother me she's "easy to manipulate" and I'll be able to do it with time

That may have been the case one day, but I've learned to harden my heart so you'll have to try harder.

[Tammy]

we made each other's avi's though

they are special

I was talking to giffykuracho whose avatars look too much alike. But yeah you guys could change yours too. That would be swell!

[Tammy]

Lalala...

I finished reading. I'll give thoughts tomorrow. It's late and I'm stupid tired.

[Tammy]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: rufflig

Would you like to build a snowman?

I don't get it. Are you saying yay lets have fun your vote is super duper dreamy or is it a new buzzword to tell me my vote sucks? If its the former, let me get my gloves.

[Tammy]

Why did you choose Tammy to push on in your opening post?

Because her opening post was boring, seemed overly terse. Thought I was sensing a bit of weakness, couldn't pass up the opportunity to catch Tammy-scum in one post and make up for chosen mafia. I did research into her other opening posts and everything!

You did?

I'd really like to know what recent town games have been wordy? Or what games you're comparing it to for my openings that you are comparing it to.

I thought chef, hoh (even though more content to focus on), and wingate were all more amusing then your opening here.

That's okay you didn't get my joke.

I think they're Ll on par with each other though. Except hoh? That was your opening

[Tammy]

@ The ruffling
Please explain you motivation(s) for puttting a vote on Tammy. From my POv it seem like a kind of weak reason... If it is a push it kinda seemed like a pointless push. Meaning there are better reason to push a player.

It was a pointless push. I had already stated that I was going to reconsider Prohawk today. With that in mind, no vote of mine could have been considered all that serious. When Tammy said she hadn't read the thread, I couldn't help making a flippant comment and put a vote with it. I had absolutely no expectations of anything happening because of it. Tammy certainly wasn't in any danger of getting lynched, but then she blew up and took it so seriously. That is not a reaction that I see often and I don't recall ever seeing it from Tammy before.

It looked like a scum push to me for all the reasons I said last night. I also think that Kaze's was problematic but he's so new it's hard to pin down exactly.

If you think that's blowing up you've never seen me react to votes on me in a blowing up manner. Why are you using the "I don't recall ever seeing it from Tammy before?" The only time I remember us playing together was when I was scum and I wasn't even voted until endgame where I argued my way out of my votes.

Hey rufflig - pretty sure I asked you a question in there. Pretty sure you didn't answer it. Do you need help finding it or did you ignore it because you knew if you tried to answer it your response would amount to uhbuhduhderwewooflickerspork?

[Tammy]

Holy shit. You're scum.

I'm busy right now and will give a proper response later. But holy shit that's not town at all.

[Tammy]

Hey rufflig - pretty sure I asked you a question in there. Pretty sure you didn't answer it. Do you need help finding it or did you ignore it because you knew if you tried to answer it your response would amount to uhbuhduhderwewooflickerspork?

It looked like a rhetorical question.

It was nothing like a rhetorical question. You literally said "I don't ever recall seeing it from Tammy before" regarding my reaction, which would indicate that you had experience with me and my play and how I react to votes/suspicion. I asked you why you were using that as part of your "case" against me.

I figured if you were town, you would oh I don't know do what town do and admit that no you actually don't have any experience with me. You could have said that from that limited time we played that you had developed some idea for how I reacted to suspicion; you know engage me to see if your expectations were correct and maybe determine my alignment a little. Maybe you'd say you followed a game of mine or something. You know some response that indicated that you weren't just spouting bs as part of your reasoning. Something, but you didn't you ignored it.

Btw, do you also want an answer to "do you have something against hugs"? Your most recent post just screams that you're merely trying to get a rise out of me because you've nothing better to do. You're not actually expecting an answer with that sort of attitude.

I actually wasn't expecting a response to whether or not you had something against hugs, and you literally cannot be serious with this statement. That was a rhetorical question. You disregarded a stance I made on someone for a reason I legitimately had. One of the ways I read people is based on how they make me feel when they post. That was the only read I had at the time.

If you haven't noticed by now, I tend to look towards behavior in conjunction with what someone is saying. Your reaction to a facetious post was all wrong. I pointed it out. You came across a lot like a scum caught for the wrong reason. Did I really need to break this down for you? You've tried to hand wave your behavior away by saying that I've only seen your scum game in which you were not under suspicion until end game. So, in essence, you've already admitted that I had not seen that type of behavior from you before. In spite of the length of this disagreement between us, you've failed to make any meaningful explanation of your behavior.

What a great piece of circumlocution. You can talk in straight sentences any time you want. Your reasoning for voting me was scum reasoning. It was totally scum motivated, as I pointed out when I did. And I didn't handwave shit. You literally said "I don't ever recall seeing it from Tammy before" which was total bs and tried to make it sound like you knew how town me would respond to you. The fact that I pointed out that the only experience you have with me is when I was scum who came under no suspicion until endgame is not handwaving my behavior. It's pointing out that you were completely fallacious in your argument. Instead of acting like town and saying, "you're right Tammy I don't really have any experience with you" you're accusing me of handwaving.

And I did make a meaningful explanation of my reaction to you. It was a scum motivated vote you made. And I think if you were town, you'd see where I was coming from. You jump on a wagon, which you later claim was for pressure, but instead of reacting to my reaction to the pressure that was already forming, you commented on something else, me not having read the game. I had already given a reaction to Prohawk's vote (which was a joking response to him as you know what, he's the only person who actually had the right to scum hunt his wagon and he called it a gut read.) I had already given a reaction to Kaze's vote, which I'll address below, who mind you didn't have a right to scum hunt that wagon. Not to mention I had already given a reaction to Nacho's vote on me earlier in the day. You did not comment on any of that at the time; you passed all of that by to vote me for "not having read the thread yet."

And when I went back and looked, both Prohawk and Kaze, both the people voting for me at the time had mentioned that you were also suspicious. FMPOV you jumped on a wagon that seemed to be growing as a means of diverting attention from yourself. And you actually started scumhunting people "off the wagon". I expect a newer player like Kaze to scumhunt a wagon before a flip, but not someone with your experience. Also, why was MafiaSSK your choice for scum off the wagon? What does MafiaSSK have anything to do with that wagon? I just went and looked and he wasn't even posting during the time of the pressure wagon Nacho started on Prohawk, so why did you pick him out of everyone to think was scum "off the wagon"? Because to me, that looks like you were just trying to accomplish busy work and make it look like you were scumhunting when you actually weren't.

Earlier on, you stated that I didn't need to put a vote on you as I could read your reactions from the others voting you. Might I remind you that you went off on Kaze as soon as he voted you as well? Perhaps you'd like to explain why you are so prickly towards everyone who votes for you?

Cool, and I'll reiterate. Why was my reaction to Kaze if I went off on him not part of your reasoning? Also, if you really really think asking someone a few questions to figure out their alignment and reasoning for voting you going off, then you haven't seen going off. Kaze was scumhunting a wagon he was on. On someone whose alignment he couldn't know if town. On people who were voting for the same exact reasoning he was voting for. If you can't see how that looks then I don't know what to tell you.

As far as me being prickly, I'm town.

[Tammy]

@ Tammy
who is scum

The Rufflig

[Tammy]

Town: Deacon Blues, Kaze, orcinus & Mac

Tentative Town: Nacho, pitoli, fuzzy

Scum: Rufflig.

Don't know about anyone else.

[Tammy]

So, Rufflig, you gonna admit any time soon that you actually have no experience with me to claim that "you've never seen me react this way" any time soon or what?

I don't think anything about your play reads town. There's no inquisitiveness, no attempt to discern alignments, no actual anything.

I didn't say you voted me in a flippant way. YOU DID. I said you voted me for scummy reasoning. I said you didn't react to what you should have if it was a pressure vote.

ALSO ALSO, this shows proves rather that it wasn't just flippant:

Here are your two posts with votes that night:

Haven't read the game.

Here. Have some incentive to do so.

VOTE: Tammy

I'm also up for MafiaSSK, if anyone wants to go a hunting off wagon.

This means it was not just flippant. That second post shows you "scumhunting" on and off the wagon. Something you have no right to do if you don't actually know Prohawk's alignment. ALSO nice of you to ignore my question about MafiaSSK and why you were scumhunting off the wagon for someone who was not here for the wagon.

You made an opportunistic as fuck jump onto a wagon and tried to label it as flippant and pressure after the fact. You did it for a scummy reason because you are fucking scum. It's nice of you to absolutely misrep the hell out of what I argued and claim it makes you town. You look nothing like town, and it's really super specially sweet of you that you're actually handwaving away the points I raised.

But this is my last bit of interaction with you. You are nothing but a distraction and scum. I'm not arguing with scum anymore here. And you're not going to get this thing going anywhere. ANYONE who has ever played with me knows I'm fucking town here. So, if on the really tiny off chance you happen to be town here, you should actually start scumhunting, but I have no way you can actually even resemble town, because if you were you'd actually look like it and you don't.

[Tammy]

You know Mara if fuzzy flips scum, I'm just gonna think you bussed hard for the cred.

[Tammy]

Someone convince me Fuzzy is just a derptown, please. Because I seriously want to see him hanged and I don't know if that's just spite talking or not.

He feels like derp town to me. I'd have to look at a scum game or two just to be sure because boy did leviathan fool me once with the derp town Schtick, but he feels it.

I will admit to not really reading his posts in depth because I've written him off as newish town that has really scattered thoughts that I'll eventually get around to pinning down but not right now.

[Tammy]

Ok um

Dude

Not a scum meltdown UNVOTE:

Why wasn't it? I feel like I'm one of the more sensitive and temperamental players on this site and I can't understand that flip out.

[Tammy]

Hey, Nacho. Mind if I bounce something off you?

MafiaSSK similar to Aunt J?

Are you bouncing this off of him because you think nacho is town and value his reads on another player?

Also where is your paranoia of nacho?

[Tammy]

Actually

VOTE: the rufflig

That was quite possibly the most horrible hop on my wagon you could have thought of.

OMGUS

minoha and rufflig aren't partners.


THE FUZZY POSTS NEVER STOP.

ok, and I think I can talk some more about why I'm going to hate tammy, while I don't know if she's scum. Because she keeps doing it in the next pages. She produces no reads, but keeps telling people why their arguments are stupid. The vote she makes is purely reactive. I don't mind if people disagree, but put out an alternative. That's what discussion is.

would policy lynch, because I know I'd love to be allowed to play like that as scum.

I hadn't read the game, stated so, so of course I didn't have reads before that point. I jumped in and interacted when I had the time to do so. Interacting with kaze and rufflig was discussion. I would have asked kaze the same questions if he had voted someone else for the same reason. I came away with a townish read on one and a scum mish read on the other.

just AAAAAAAa
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

I see nacho agrees. Positive.

Nice piece of taking something out of context and selective quoting there. He was responding to Minaho's reads list not to me.

UNVOTE: /unvote]
VOTE: nachomamma

you're opening push on me was fake.

oh lol OMGUS^2

also nothing has changed so far, halfway.

I don't like this response at all. I mean I guess you can say the rufflig vote was omgus. I don't think it was, I think I have a very valid reason for voting him, even if he did vote me first. But this one is pure bs. Are you trying to say that if someone votes you ever in a game you can't suspect them? And I'd really like to know why you're trying to discredit my suspicions there as some long delayed omgus. I wrote nachos original push off as him trolling me or reaction testing me, if you will note I joked around with him some after that, then nacho didn't feel right to me and something about that early push didn't feel right to me. It still doesn't.

[Tammy]

Hi mykonian.

Thanks for replacing in.

I'm not voting because Bork and I are doing a reset, but he has a week-old baby and wasn't able to free up time this weekend.

I want our vote on rufflig. We'll see if Bork and I still feel that way tomorrow.

We're also still not very happy with Nacho's play. Still wanting someone to tell us why they think Nacho is town.
'

I think Nacho is town.

I'm not sold.

[Tammy]

Scum Tammy is known to occasionally make a crap case on someone early on to appear to be scum hunting. That is what she's done here. She never believed her own case.

So, fess up, who is in your scum qt providing you with what to say about me. Everyone as scum occasionally makes crap cases as scum to appear to be scumhunting. You know what's bothering me? The "Tammy is known to occ soon ally..." Which is again you trying to act like you know anything about me when you don't. You couldn't even answer the first question about how you had never seen me react like that to votes (oh and here's a hint for you baby doll as town Ido tend to react negatively to votes on me especially when they're complete and total bs and scummy like yours was.). I have also been known to make crap cases as town rather early.

However, she was quite adamant about her read. Look at this:

Holy shit. You're scum.

There was no reason to make such a statement as she had been saying all along that I was scum. I would have expected 'That was incredibly scummy' or some such. Not a statement that boils down to 'OMG, The Rufflig is actually scum!' Which proves her initial case was BS. At this point, if she had been on me for a reaction, she would have abandoned her initial case and just focused on what she found scummy. She didn't. She repeated her made up case on me as part of her new case. This isn't a townie mind set.

LOL. Nice of you to clip off the part where I said that wasn't a town response. Nice of you to not acknowledge that in my response from you I said that if you were town I'd have expected an x, y, z response but instead you deflected and didn't even answer the question and are using the same bs knowledge of my play here.

I wasn't fishing for a reaction. I did and do believe you are scum. However, considering I'm town and don't actually know anyone's alignments I usually consider the possibility I'm wrong. I'm known for being a waffler for a reason. I'm known for taking my time for a reason. I'm known for not always trusting my reads for a reason. That's what I'm known for not this bs you're trying to peddle. I mean I have my games where I've kicked ass but I'm always trying to make sure I'm right.

Your response to me verified my belief you were scum instead of making me doubt myself. Holy shit. You're scum=holy shit. I was right.

Obviously, all of that requires that this is multiball or there is a third party of some sort in play. The truth of that is likely to become apparent tomorrow. If I get lynched, I'd like you to remember this and look into Tammy tomorrow.

You do realize the OP says there are only two win conditions right?

Yes, I know I come off badly on defense. It's something that I get to do maybe once a year, so I'm terrible at it. The last time was last December (as town) and I didn't do all that much better than this. Me being bad on defense is simply that - I'm bad at it.

---

Anyway, I'm going to see if I can dig up Tammy's partners.

What you're bad at is answering questions.

Yes, if you could identify for me the rest of my town partners that would be awesome!

You know what's funny and what makes me feel like I'm even more right? This fake, let me dig up Tammy's partners. You're not inexperienced. You know that making partner analysis before a flip is bunk. You know that reading people off a read that could be completely incorrect is a horrible way of scumhunting, but yet you're doing it because you need a fake means of scumhunting.

[Tammy]

@ Ruff
Are you claiming that you are part of a third part mason or something bc that is what i am getting from your post

No, I'm not part of a mason group.

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You know what's bothering me? The "Tammy is known to occ soon ally..." Which is again you trying to act like you know anything about me when you don't.

I looked you up.

Cool. What games? What did you learn from them?

[Tammy]

You know what's funny and what makes me feel like I'm even more right? This fake, let me dig up Tammy's partners. You're not inexperienced. You know that making partner analysis before a flip is bunk. You know that reading people off a read that could be completely incorrect is a horrible way of scumhunting, but yet you're doing it because you need a fake means of scumhunting.

meh it helps in situational cases

like at lylo or if you're playing with like mastin or someone who has a known method of interaction with scumbuddies

Sometimes. Pointing out potential relational tells is a thing. Seeing how people read your scum read for future purposes in case you're right. But early day one? No, that's fake as hell.

[Tammy]

Okay I've been super confused, but you should probably delete it from my post too.

[Tammy]

Nacho - you feel like your team has already been narrowed by Poe know it's going to be, and you just decided to go fuck it. Let me just troll.

[Tammy]

Like you back off rufflig because you wanted a momentum change, which must mean you think I'm wrong about rufflig, yet you don't try to pull me down from him and tell me why I'm wrong? You know rufflig is wrong about me and you don't tell him why he's wrong?

You see Mykonian misattribute a post you made and you don't correct him?

Instead you pop in here and do meaningless dances that you know and admit are meaningless?

I don't think minaho is town, but the last time you talked about minaho, you were defending him. (That I remember getting ready to head to work can't confirm) and now you're voting him after admitting your pitoli push was crap?

[Tammy]

strong townread on nacho.

Why?

[Tammy]

Huh. Not modkilled. Well, that's a plus. Not forced replaced either. Also good.

Are you bouncing this off of him because you think nacho is town and value his reads on another player?

Also where is your paranoia of nacho?

It's slowly dissolved over the past three years. Ask Nacho. I only tossed him a couple easy probing questions last game. And yes, I think Nacho is probably town.

In the game that you, me and nacho played in just earlier this year you were all doubtful of nacho even though I thought he looked like one of the towniest towns I had ever seen from him early. Granted I was scum who knew he was town, but the passion he displayed in his rants is something I think I would have recognized as bleeding town if I were town. You however thought differently, you told me that he was capable of faking that and that he was tricky. You also seemed rather paranoid he was directing the day badly. He's not even a 10th as townie here as he was that game. So it seems odd.

It also seems odd to me that your probing him for ssk's alignment, but I'm your biggest scum read. Nacho knows me better than anyone else in this game and has called me incredibly town. That doesn't throw you off at all? You don't want to bounce that read off him?

You know what's funny and what makes me feel like I'm even more right? This fake, let me dig up Tammy's partners. You're not inexperienced. You know that making partner analysis before a flip is bunk. You know that reading people off a read that could be completely incorrect is a horrible way of scumhunting, but yet you're doing it because you need a fake means of scumhunting.

You know what's funny? You can blatantly make this crap up and not get called on it by anyone else. Where did I say I was going to do partner analysis? Nowhere. Where have I made a case on someone else based on a relational tell? Nowhere. Yet, you feel the need to justify your case by adding more made up stuff to it. I'd be laughing, if it wasn't actually working.

You literally said "I'm going to go dig up Tammy's partners." Partners that are nonexistent because I'm town and don't have any. I never said you made a case on someone yet, but that's typically what people do when they look for someone's partners, so that's what I'm expecting you meant and will do with your statement "dig up Tammy's partners".

[/quote="rufflig"]

Cool. What games? What did you learn from them?

Nothing. It just confirmed what I already knew. You have a sense of humor and town you doesn't go off on players early day 1 for making a joke - at least I didn't see any game where you did. Your read on me was manufactured that much is painfully obvious. Pushing a manufactured read as serious = scummy. It's damn frustrating that no one else can see this.[/quote]

I do have a sense of humor and no I don't *always* go off on people for making a joke. I do however tend to get trolled from time to time and while it's funny enough I do get annoyed when it goes too far, but it's usually people joking with me who know me well and we have that type of banter. I don't know you. I obviously didn't take it as a joke ( and you do realize if I were scum and you were town, I'd be much more likely to think it was a joke. I obviously didn't segment it that way and you didn't respond that it was a joke. You said it was a pressure vote. If you'd said it wan a joke the conversation probably would have gone a lot different but you started arguing about the pressure and I did find the way you went about it scummy as I've already said. There is no manufactured case, this is how I feel that went down. Can my interpretation be wrong, of course which is why I asked you more questions.

If no one else is seeing what you see, it's probably because everyone who's ever played with me knows this is my town game.

[Tammy]

OH RIGHT

VOTE: minami

I could potentially jump there with you.

[Tammy]

Pitoli, given what's on this page, where you placed your vote surprises me a little.

What are your other reads?

Only just skimmed, have yet to do ISOs, but I'm also worried about Nacho and Rufflig. I was paranoid of Orc too but since I'm believing this is town-Kaze more and more I'm putting that aside for now.

Fuzzy asks a lot of questions that don't seem to really go anywhere, and he seems to be asking them broadly and indiscriminately... I usually expect town to have a little more focus. This is the type of thing that I can imagine newbie scum doing while they don't know where to push.

It actually reminded me of the BSG game where several people accused me (correctly) of hiding behind the "I'm-a-newbie wall" a little too often to feel genuine, that is the general feeling I am getting here. It bothers me (it REALLY REALLY bothers me) that almost every post he feels the need to say "I'm not sure" or "I guess ____ could be ____", it's like a weird hedgy disclaimer that might make it easier for him to retreat behind his stated opinions.

@ Pit

Understandable.... the fact is that I ask alot of questions.... this is how I play even my town game.

I like to get all the info I can before I make an accusation. I gather info by acting question. And yes I am unfoccused however I am almost always unfocused. This is who I am. I not going to apologize for that. Being unfocused is one of the many hazard of being Fuzzy. I learned to deal with it in my own way.I can become focused if something gets my attention. You can see that in the way I post.

Okay here's my problem with you all using this as a scum slip. He's responding to Pitoli. Pitoli says the bold where she's saying that it's something that she sees in someone's scum game. He says this is the way he plays even in his town games.

Not looking at it as part of a conversation makes it look bad and you guys that are taking this out of context are about as bad as Myko trying to use Nacho to bolster his frustration with me (nevermind Nacho has called me incredibly town).

It also bothers me that immediately upon replacing in Myko starts tunneling on the same person that Mara tunneled on, and I'm just going to reiterate that if fuzzy does come back scum, I'm going to be looking very hard at them for bussing. Fuzzy looks like total derp town to me, but sometimes scum find it fun to bus and who wouldn't want the weak person off your team and hope to look good in the process. However, I'm actually more thinking that Myko and Rufflig could be partners. Either Myko is buzzwording me for his partner or is whiteknighting rufflig. Or he's just trolling the game. I suppose that's a thing too. But none of his posts come from an actual trying to figure out this game mindset.

Either that or Fuzzy is just the low hanging fruit that scum have decided will be an easy mislynch because he sounds scummy and keeps digging himself holes. He makes it easy because he says things that scream scum slip but not digging further to see if it actually is is scummy in and of itself.

[Tammy]

Please do.

Everything about what I expected from GiF and Sakura has not been fulfilled and it might be more interesting than rufflig or whatever

Maybe, I'm still interested in figuring out Rufflig. Would also like to figure out myko and nacho as well.

Myko is doing nothing but trolling.

[Tammy]

liar

[Tammy]

Actually I'll help here:

VOTE: minaho

[Tammy]

SSK - Do you disbelieve Kaze role information that confirms Orc as town?

[Tammy]

SSK - Do you disbelieve Kaze role information that confirms Orc as town?

It's D1. I don't think anything can be confirmed yet. But it is believable.

If it's believable and you have Kaze as null-town, why do you have Orc in your scum reads?

It doesn't really have anything to do with it being day one, but Kaze says his role tells him who Orc is and that Orc is town.

[Tammy]

(Give me a minute, I was reading it. That and I'm doing several things at once.)

Hrm. I missed the v/la notice. I really only joined the wagon based on lack of activity and was hoping that it would make them come back here.

I also just realized that something that bugged me earlier was null. Originally when I read the game, it looked like within 4 minutes of you pointing out there was a role reveal, she was able to find who the role reveal was and fix it, which made me think that her original reads weren't as spontaneous as she was giving them. But in looking back, there was a post before you mention the role reveal where you point out that those reads didn't make sense and she needed to read the game. So. I don't know why, but the "random iso" rubbed me the wrong way a little.

My experience with Sakura is pretty limited. She had a pretty strong town game in the game in which I was scum. She came under suspicion and probably dealt with it about as she was here, although I and the rest of my scum team were white knighting her pretty hard. (I'd have probably white knighted her as town in that game as she looked really really town.) Since then what I've seen is more anger and meltdown when she's town, but I know that she's working on that. So, I guess in short I don't have enough experience with her to be able to read real anger coming from her. The frustration that you were being demanding felt really real, but I'm not sure that's alignment indicative as she could be frustrated either way UNLESS she's the type as scum to pander to people.

[Tammy]

I'm about to get prodded. I'll post here later after I get some papers graded.

[Tammy]

also, you obviously don't come from EM. aaaaaah

there's only one role in the whole game that simultaniously cares/thinks about investigations and wants to be investigated. It's scum.

This is not true.

[Tammy]

Nacho - my heart foes not skip with joy when you post, mostly it goes thud, thud, thud.

[Tammy]

*does not

[Tammy]

I have to go back to grading papers, but:

I still don't like rufflig, nacho doesn't feel town, pitoli is talking from the sidelines and I'm starting to see macs point, fuzzy doesn't make sense, myko just might be bad but he doesn't feel town either, and I'm left lukewarm by minaho.

[Tammy]

VOTE: rufflig

I don't get the ssk wagon.

[Tammy]

Nacho - my heart foes not skip with joy when you post, mostly it goes thud, thud, thud.

You might want to get your heart checked, then. First sign of getting old is heart not skipping a beat every time my beautiful username comes up on screen.
.

It skips a beat when I see your beautiful username pop up, but it doesn't skip with joy when I see your posts. It mostly expects to be heartbroken, so then it dulls to a thud.

[Tammy]

@mod - I will be v/la through the 23rd. I'll be able to post here and there but I don't know how reliable that will be.

[Tammy]

I liked some of mykon last posts. Growing stale on pitoli.

[Tammy]

Bus posting agogo. But holy shit this tide is beautiful, there's snow everywhere.

Fferyblues what are your current thoughts on minaho?

[Tammy]

*ride

[Tammy]

I think the nightkill makes nacho townier than he was. Removing doubt or something like that.

How so? FFery would have been an optimal kill for Nacho, so I don't get how it makes him townier?

[Tammy]

Prohawk - Is the name you have to be voted by the name you had all along or is it a title you were given?

[Tammy]

OH NACHO - why were you all, I'm nervous to vote rufflig cuz he might be town, and then end up on the easiest lynch possible yesterday with no reservations whatsoever?

[Tammy]

The problem I have somewhat here is that every single scumread of mine sat on the mafiassk wagon, and everybody I thought town was off it.

Really? Are you sure about that? Are you super duper sure? Or did you just forget that you wanted to lynch me yesterday, which would suggest you were scumreading me, and yet there I sat, off the wagon.

[Tammy]

Seriously Rufflig - No paranoia on Nacho at all, not even a little bit?

[Tammy]

Tammy, I think you have a good point on ruffling treatment of me. I am afraid I am misreading him based on this because I misread him in every game we played together IIRC. I don't know why he's trusting me easily, but I don't want to fuck up that trust if we are both town for once.

Oh I forgot, this post weirded me out. I'm not exactly sure why. Maybe I'll figure it out.

[Tammy]

Tammy

Top three scum read Please.

I think it's pretty easy to read what I'm posting and see who I suspect.

[Tammy]

Prohawk - Is the name you have to be voted by the name you had all along or is it a title you were given?

Its not my name. And thank you Tammy for pointing out the Nacho thing. I was actually waiting for Mykonian to get in here to explain himself, but I think he just caught himself into a trap he knew he couldn't get out of.

It's his relationship with Mafia's character.

Really? And why do you assume that? Are you the reason why we have to vote him with that name?

[Tammy]

I forgot

VOTE: nachomamma

[Tammy]

Totally, except I don't make 25 a year

[Tammy]

Scum don't pause when they mislynch…they rejoice.

[Tammy]

Hmm…

VOTE: rufflig

[Tammy]

Will people stop acting like they are cops who got a clear over night. Both Pitoli and SakGif can't be cops who cleared Nacho and Rufflig respectively, so just stop, all you're doing is making my reads even more confused.

[Tammy]

Something doesn't feel right. If we believe all the claims/flips so far, town has a mason-like pair and a cop? A bulletproof bodyguard and whatever a necromancer is?

VOTE: nachomamma8

[Tammy]

If you want me to be suspicious of Nacho then present something to be suspicious of. As far as I can tell, your paranoia of Nacho depends on my alignment. Since I know I'm town, I know your case on Nacho is wrong.

No? I'm not asking you to be suspicious of Nacho; it felt off that you weren't paranoid at all and just wrote him off as town without much thought, which I thought was possible if you were scum and he was town.

My suspicion of Nacho is based on gut and poe. If kaze/orc are a town pair, and if gifkura is a town cop with a clear on you, then there's no much left to choose from.

@ Ruff

What , No scum reads??

Who do think needs to be lynched??

I did, but now I need to sort out Minami's claim and sort out why Tammy claims Pitoli is a cop that cleared Nacho. I don't see where Pitoli made such a claim. My initial thought was this is a semi role madness game, so x-shots of different sorts of cops is possible. Then I remembered Kaze's claim and that we have a quasi name cop floating about as well. Even with x-shots this seems to be getting a bit too town sided. Something isn't adding up.[/quote]

Pitoli ended yesterday voting nacho then came in today backing off that suspicion. In fact, he made the claim that there were reasons to not suspect him. When someone comes out of night all of a sudden not suspecting someone they suspected going into night, I take that as they have role information for their shift. It was why I was getting frustrated because both Pitoli and Gifkura came out of night all of a sudden not suspecting the person they were the day before.

[Tammy]

I did not claim anything.
But I believe both Kaze and Minami right now.

Yeah this game is getting crowded.

Okay, but why are you all of a sudden town reading Nacho then?

[Tammy]

Tammy, why do you think pitoli is town?

I don't. Not really sure though. I need to do some resetting as I was pretty convinced that Rufflig was scum. I'm just worried about you right now and would prefer to sort you out first.

[Tammy]

I feel like the scum in this game have decided to fake innocents on each other and just not kill the two quasi-mason pairs so they can hide behind that and laugh all the way to end game.

Basically I just really don't see how Rufflig/Minaho are both town.

[Tammy]

I don't know, I'm going to look into that now.

I think that if anyone has anything to do with with the Anises beloved thing, they should claim now. I thought that it was from fferybork role (see baby I didn't forget you, I'll be with you soon) and it determined if the person was the same alignment as a dead player, so limited ability to crumb after death. That would make for limited crumbling after death, and would explain why the role went unexplained.

I'm pretty sure it's me.

Hang on.

And I'm not exactly scum reading you, I'm I need nacho sorted reading you.

Also I had a dream last night that the necromancer wan someone who could take the powers of the dead. I don't think it's that, but that was my dream.

[Tammy]

Like a scavenger ish type role?

Yeah I guess, they became the bulletproof bodyguard.

Also, I skimmed like hell, so didn't really read. Need to go do the family thing so I'll be back in a bit.

But I'm pretty sure I'm the reason for the prohawk voting thing.

Ha!

I'm town

I rule, you drool.

VOTE: nacho

Bring the good stuff!

I'm emperor peoni (now do you get my joke?). Yes, I know I'm 10 and easily amused, sue me.

I'm a title vendor, basically I'm a fruit vendor, but I don't know if my fruit has any effects. I had a town read on prohawk so I gave him a title last night.

[Tammy]

Mykos posting reminds me of his posting and the message I got from him when he was scum in Harry potter.

[Tammy]

Mara and myko could easily be bussing fuzzy. I thought the thing Mara picked up on was weird. And myko replacing in and zeroing in on fuzzy too felt weird.

[Tammy]

Need to check if fruit vendors can be anti town...

There's no reason why it couldn't be.

I wasn't going to claim it though as my role appears to be modconfirmed, and not just person confirmed. Prohawk said that anises beloved is not his name, which would make it likely that it's the title I gave him. If he got a different title, he should out that though because then the voting thing is not due to my title vending.

This is part of the reason for my paranoid descent because now there's not just me who has a mod confirmed role, but there's also the quasi-mason type role (I know it's not mason, but I classify it in my mind in that way), and a cop?

Something's not right.

[Tammy]

I'm pretty much mod confirmed to be a title vendor so why would the question be is she a title vendor?

[Tammy]

Ha!

I'm town
I rule, you drool.

VOTE: nacho

Bring the good stuff!

But seriously, next time you roll scum against me, don't have such a mechanical, robotic opening. Like, I can see what you were getting at:

Expression joy at rolling town.

Declaration of being town.
Classic Tammy shit talking.

Vote someone you're familiar with.

But the actual execution saw your joy as extraordinarily short-lived and easily fakeable, the declaration of being town similar and spoken without CONVICTION, and the shittalking sorely lacking.

I thought at first you were trolling me and it made me laugh as I thought it was super cute, though with this I think you might be serious, and if so you're clearly off your rocker and still have a few classes of training in the school o' reading Tammy.

Well yes, I declared I'm town because I'm duh town.

I wasn't shit talking.

It's a joke and I'm not going to tell you why, but I was and still am highly amused by it. Maybe I'll let you in my secret circle, but I have to think you're town first

, and while the trolling and silly push is a good start, you're not there yet.

I always vote someone I'm familiar with.

Bringing me good stuff does not include trying to lynch me.

I can't even think of a title for how bad stuff it is.

If you're trolling me then maybe it's the beginning of good stuff but that remains to be seen.

And if you're actually serious with that last stuff then you and me need to have a talk bucko. I am still amused by my joke, there's nothing mechanical about it. But hey, you want to see a Tammy town tell in the making? Check out the time stamp of that post. That's right, 6:10am. That means I woke up and immediately checked to see if this game was open so I could make a corny joke. If I somehow sound mechanical and I really don't know how I could, it's probably because I hadn't even been awake 5 minutes yet.

So, yeah, keep telling me how much I'm the scum I'm not.

Both of those are me talking about my role. I was told that I didn't know if my title would have game influences, so I'm only giving it to someone I think is town.

Prohawk - Is the name you have to be voted by the name you had all along or is it a title you were given?

Like there is no way you can wonder is she a title vendor.

[Tammy]

Fuzzy is your neighborhood one you started the game with or is it one you created?

[Tammy]

Where are the crumbs you were going to hide behind nacho in case you died.

Also I refuse to believe there's me, a cop, a hider, and a mason-type pair in town.

AND SEE I told you the turn a rounds implied role information. I told you.

[Tammy]

I mean I would have guessed it from that, but.

I just really refuse to believe were all town. Something is not right.

[Tammy]

Minaho needs to full claim instead of hinting at a possible cop or some other option.

[Tammy]

Mykos posting reminds me of his posting and the message I got from him when he was scum in Harry potter.

oh no. In the pm's to you I played clueless, because I knew you'd like that. It's not even close to posting reads without suitable backup (because I know half the cases I'd make on people would be long pieces of proze achieving little, having no soundbites etc. and you aren't interested in every post of fuzzy that I don't like).

I think this one is pretty bullshit Tammy. I was fully aware what I posted in those pm's to you and in thread I was already a different person. Mastin got different pm's as I wouldn't dare post that way for everybody to see. It usually gets one lynched.

I only liked the message because I thought it was that new guy I made a supersaint night one.

It's not bullshit at all. Your tone feels manipulative, and not straightforward.

[Tammy]

Okay I doubt very very seriously that kaze and Orc are a scum team claiming to have role info for each other as town. Kaze could probs be scum informed of someone I suppose.

If we believe pit then nacho is town.

If we believe minaho then rufflig is town (barring godfather)

I'd love it if prohawk would verify if he got another title last night. The mod confirming where I go feels over stacked if all people mentioned so far is town.

Additionally, we had a bp bg and a necromancer.

The scum team would have to be stacked.

Oh though also, minaho could be a scum joat with a rolecop and a jk I guess.

[Tammy]

Wait a second. Why would there be a bp AND a hider in a mini?

I'm not at home and probably don't have my aim chat logs anyway, but when syry and I were a hider in chef mafia and ffery claimed bp ascetic, syry was like no way town would have a bp and a hider.

[Tammy]

Regarding character/role name. Well yes, but I remember ffery using those interchangeably in mafia.raptured because she wasn't used to theme games and how the character name is different from the role name.

[Tammy]

Yeah a 3 person neighborhood has a good chance of having scum there.

In Wingate there were two mod-assigned neighborhoods. Mine was a three-person and all town. The other neighborhood was a four-person and had three scum and one town in it. That was a surprise multi-ball game though, so one was on one team, and two others were lovers on the other team.

[Tammy]

Yeah. It was fake god's wingate mansion game.

Also, pro hawk didn't say anything about a different title last night, so I guess that is me.

pedit: Outing the neighborhood doesn't do any harm whatsoever.

[Tammy]

Yes.

Scum often have fake claims anyway. Even if they don't have fake name claims, the moderator can make anyone evil they want to.

[Tammy]

Holy shit. If you are town, town is your team, not your bloody neighborhood.

[Tammy]

Also his neighborhood is probably out of Nacho/Mac/Prohawk anyway.

[Tammy]

Actually his neighbors are most likely mac and nacho. I wondered why he said that him being shot wouldn't be a bad choice as they would clear mac and nacho. It didn't make sense at the time, but it does if they share a neighborhood.

I'm going to sleep.

[Tammy]

Okay I'm really going to sleep now, but I don't know what to make of Prohawk coming in here and not addressing the mass claim suggestion or answering whether or not he received a title other than anise's beloved last night.

[Tammy]

So, sometimes I think that my overly careful constantly re-reading and re-weighing

waffling over

everything is bad, and that it would just be more pro-town of me to be more impulsive. And then someone does something really impulsive and I realize that I need to find a happy medium in this new leaf I'm turning over.

NACHO - did i read correctly that you asked Fuzzy if you should claim miller to the thread? Please tell me I read that wrong.

[Tammy]

Also also did Ms. Marangal get my alignment right before you did?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

[Tammy]

In the neighborhood, I think my strongest town read is Mac. Up in the air on Fuzzy and Nacho.

[Tammy]

I STILL THINK NACHO IS SCUM HNNNNGGGGGGG

>explains the fery NK
>kaze role is to counteract all the fucking PRs that we have
>idk man nacho/mara makes sense

Is nacho-scum your final answer?
Answer carefully; your "can read Nacho almost competently" membership card is on the line.

[Tammy]

I've been a motivator before. It's typically a town role and is potentially confirmable.

[Tammy]

I just feel like the hider feels wrong here. (Sorry for the spam, I'm trying to recollect my thoughts from when I was following along on my phone earlier while out with family. Also, it's late and I'm tired.)

It just feels weird that there would be a bp bodyguard alongside a hider and a one-shot cop.

I still don't feel great about ruffling at all but the gender cop can bust people with fake claims that are gender incorrect. In Red Wedding, I got busted because of a last name cop, and in Rocky Horror my partner got busted for claiming to be the wrong gender, so it's possible. But.

I'm interested in Nacho's curiosity concerning there being a flavor cop already and I'm guessing that's what Mac is going to claim. And like a hider/bp bodyguard combo I'm not sure how much I believe there's two of those roles.

Also I can see a godfather being in the setup as there's a supposed miller, so.

I think the people I trust the least exist in the [pitoli, minaho, nacho, rufflig…potentially fuzzy] pool.

But, if you take minaho/pitoli at face value and believe them and their results the scum team is: Mac, Fuzzylogic, Prohawk and I just don't believe that's the scum team.

[Tammy]

*the gender cop can bust people with fake claims are correct (not incorrect)

[Tammy]

I thought you guys full claimed in the neighborhood?

[Tammy]

Oh never mind.

[Tammy]

Also I can see a godfather being in the setup as there's a supposed miller, so.

Are you willing to lynch Rufflig? Who are you going to vote for?

I'm not sure right now.

[Tammy]

Okay yeah Pitoli is most likely scum.

[Tammy]

Prohawk, you have a townread on Tammy right? Can you explain to me which aspects of her towngame you're seeing? My read on her has gone very stale, more influenced by the general consensus than anything.

Fuzzy suddenly seems improved to me, I sense him trying to whittle the game down starting from his neighborhood. Town? Guh.

Why aren't you asking Nacho this? Isn't Nacho like super duper confirmed town to you?

[Tammy]

Yes, but I dont remember him saying if he had a super duper town read on you.

Also I don't think he likes me

Are you reading the thread?

Does it matter? He is the one person you supposedly no for sure is town. Do you see me in any of his scum line ups? Oh, you don't. Furthermore, he's the one most apt to get an accurate read on me; I don't understand how you're not inquiring from him if you're read has gone stale. And how could it? I've done far more today, not to mention the mod-confirmed role that's shining like a freaking beacon in the air, and your read has gone very very stale???

And what does it matter what he thinks of you and whether he likes you. TO YOU he is confirmed town; that should hold more weight.

Like you legit don't make any sense.

[Tammy]

I couldn't care less what appeals to you, especially when you're more likely scum than anything anyway.

[Tammy]

And the thing is it makes no sense whatsoever for you not to inquire upon the person who is supposedly confirmed town to you why he's reading me as town. IF you've been reading the thread you'd know he has me as a town read. But you don't ask the person you supposedly know to be town, you sidestep that. And that makes no logical sense whatsoever.

[Tammy]

Honestly, that's probably my fault for being lazy and not reading carefully. Prohawk happened to state an explicit townread on you more recently 1724, and that's what I was going off since I trust him as town right now.

But Nacho is supposedly confirmed town to you. Like, seriously.

[Tammy]

VOTE: pitoli

Her questions tonight are not those of someone who has supposedly had someone confirmed town to them overnight. Like, not at all.

[Tammy]

What in the hell are you even talking about?

I've made absolutely no secrets about how much I distrust your hider claim, and instead of ask someone about their read that is supposedly confirmed town to you, you ask someone you think might be town.

But sure, I berate people in end game. Yep, sure that's what I do. You should look forward to that. I'm pretty sure I've done that in every game never.

[Tammy]

gameplay. his role makes all of no sense, but that's ok.

Pedit: I have no idea what you are anymore. If you didn't have that fucking retarded read on kaze I'd be calling you town based on your post vig-threat performance

i still have my "can read nacho card"

This is a re-used joke. Nacho should get some of his own >_>


Also, also, I can't believe Rufflig never got lynched this game. I felt like my case against him day one was so good too.

Good game scum...thanks for running it syry/cabd.