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[CherryDrPepper]

Vote Stuffed Crust

Because he was scum on the prequel.

[CherryDrPepper]

Why isnt Varsoon spamming yet?

[CherryDrPepper]

Early gut reads:

Bulba Town, Tier is eager town, Molla looks like scum.

Unvote
Vote: Molla

[CherryDrPepper]

Also Bulba, you give us too much credit you deserve more for your help on the prequel

[CherryDrPepper]

Why isn't BBMolla dead yet.

(And why hasn't my other head posted yet)

[CherryDrPepper]

Why isn't BBMolla dead yet.

(And why hasn't my other head posted yet)

Because exams.

Oh yeah, hydra dissonance alert, I think Molla's town.

[CherryDrPepper]

DP's on exams and my scum read on BB's lowering, he thinks Titus is scum but i think she's town, so we'll need to synch up for the time being

Unvote

Also

@Mod: The Sakura Hana head of this hydra is V/LA through Monday

[CherryDrPepper]

Well im default townreading silver bard for the time being based on Venrob's replace out as it felt really townish to me.

[CherryDrPepper]

M gonna catch up tonight because one of my exams is over. Peace.

[CherryDrPepper]

That one wasn't, this one is

Vote: Obscurity

Haven't synched up with DP but my gut feels good about this vote
Also unless i miscounted this must be

L-1

[CherryDrPepper]

unvote

That wagon wasn't going anywhere anyway.

This is the post that pretty much made me reconsider my "Obscurity is low hanging fruit" deal. Im cool with this.

Bb is town.
Stuffed Crust is town.

Not sure about Silver Bard because I think Venrob's replaceout was completely unrelated to the game. But I like his "I dont know why you guys are town reading me"

Obs partner is Bulbazak.

[CherryDrPepper]

Because I barely feel Fu's prescence and Im not sure on Titus.
I felt like her push on Bb was weird earlier, but Sakura reminded me this is how Titus is.

Well for one, your post 16 bugged me. Your tried to buddy is from an RVS reason.
Second you're strongly scum reading Fu but still vote Stuffed Crust for, idk why. That tunnel isnt making me read you town. Its like youre trying to save obs fmpov by not voting the player who is similar to obs.

Gut scum read, youre second after obs.

[CherryDrPepper]

Youre strongly pushing Fu as scum while not voting for him.

[CherryDrPepper]

So scum BBMolla is more likely to say something like I said a few pages ago to him? why didnt such an action come into question to you?

The reason I've been on it so long is, if you hadn't noticed, I wasn't here to unvote.

Next question?

You're certainly here now, so what's the issue?

[CherryDrPepper]

Tell me where the scum motivation is in lynching people he calls town. Town motivation is get rid of liabilities. Wouldnt you think scum would be like this? They'd be far more likely to just, uhm idk, insist that someone is scum?

Titus ipmoves to my scumpile. Idk about the other head, but my scum list is
Obscurity
Bulbazak
Titus

Also, if bulbazak thinks obs can be vig bait, why didnt he think of it for Fu when they were similar? If obs is scum, Bulba is scum. Done.

[CherryDrPepper]

Tell me where the scum motivation is in lynching people he calls town. Town motivation is get rid of liabilities. Wouldnt you think scum would be like this? They'd be far more likely to just, uhm idk, insist that someone is scum?

Sakura or DP, are you seriously asking my why scum would want to lynch town?

Looks like a misrep to me.

Why does that look like a misrep?

Cherry says that scum don't lynch their townREADS, you ask why they wouldn't wanna lynch town.

I'll do some more in-depth reactions to the last posts soon.

1) Scum do not have townreads. So I really don't understand the distinction here.
2) How the hell can anyone be legitimately townreading Obscurity at this point?

Lynch this pl0x. Thanks.

[CherryDrPepper]

DP we really need to talk more often in our hydra QT, i told you this kind of moonlogic is attribute to town titus.

[CherryDrPepper]

My ass is present. I am participating.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... rt_order=d
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[CherryDrPepper]

Hey the lets vig obscurity thing is dumb, move on.

1) low chance of vig
2) he's actually scummy.

Not retyping my longer post.

[CherryDrPepper]

Hi guys, I'm back, Sakura here, and haven't read everything but i saw there were a couple claims, so can anyone tell me why is Fu being wagoned? PoE? Case? whatever?

[CherryDrPepper]

Makes sense then, Imma synch up with DP before I declare an intent, but i'm p.much PoEing him and you, just saying.

[CherryDrPepper]

Actually I forgot SC existed, so that's 3 nulls, i hope the 2 scum are in there >_>

[CherryDrPepper]

Probably something DP mentioned without me noticing, I've told him many times (even in thread) that this moonlogic is Town Titus.

[CherryDrPepper]

Sure my reads list are:
Town: Bulba, Bard, BBMolla, Titus.

2 Scum in: TierShift, FuDuzn, SC by PoE.

~Sakura Hana.

[CherryDrPepper]

and makes a point to keep mentioning it in the thread.

Wait, when did i say to keep mentioning it in thread, I only said that I mentioned it at DP sometime in the thread, tho in the QT i've mentioned it multiple times =/

Derp

[CherryDrPepper]

Well yeah, because he doesnt believe me >_>

~Sakura Hana

[CherryDrPepper]

Wait what, Cancel that i've been busy with new year stuff

I really need to get back in here and I haven't heard from DP for a while, might consider replacing with my main if he doesn't talk to me since it's easier than switching accounts.
Also Molla, you're voting the wrong person, Titus is very town, but since Fu isnt at L-1 anymore i'll just

Vote: Fu

~Sakura Hana

[CherryDrPepper]

Also I really need to find a way to forward prods from my hydra to my main, i didnt even know i was prodded >.>

~Salira Hana

[CherryDrPepper]

~Sakura Hana

Fixed that for me.

[CherryDrPepper]

You know its really fucking annoying to call someone lurking when its the holidyas and people are busy as fuck

[CherryDrPepper]

Bb's town,
Bard is town
I'll redact my bulba scum read and say he's town because i believe his claim.

I hate SC's whole "lurking during holidays, must be scum" and I agree with BB here.
Plus with only one town flip, I am concerned with Obscurity's lack of other scum reads.
Sakura keeps trying to convince me Titus is town but I really dont get it.

Im cool with lynching Fu. Bard makes sense, Fu hasnt been dropping tells to any other player, he isnt being productive at all.

[CherryDrPepper]

Ugh i really got no drive to do anything atm, i'll just leave it to DP for the time being but he's V/LA so.

@Mod: V/LA until Jan 6th

[CherryDrPepper]

Cherry's championed Titus as a scum-read

Meh, this is why I don't like hydraing as much lately, aside from the switching accounts lazyness, people can never tell me apart from my hydra partner. But if DP wants to convince me that Titus is scum other than her moonlogic then he's free to do so.

~Sakura Hana.

[CherryDrPepper]

Ok so let's get some things down.

By Occam's Razor Bulba's scum, but let's look at the situation behind the claims.

There wasn't a kill Night 2, if Bulba's scum he would've been roleblocked and hence his kill couldn't be commited or scum gambited.
From SC's point of view they blocked scum who was comitting the Night Kill, specially if their target is the one who claimed Doctor, why not claim their target right there and then?
Only Fu ever doubted Bulba's claim if my memory serves me right, why wouldn't SC try to roleblock Bulba again considering he was coasting off a doc fakeclaim from their PoV?

Very Unlikely Scenario:
Both SC and Bulba are town and scum gambited no Kill, this would have easily led to an 1v1 between Bulba and SC yesterday instead of today which is MyLo.

Likely Scenario:
SC is scum, who has run out of possible mislynches and wants to frame Bulba today to get their last mislynch on a Town Doc.

This is where I stand atm, anyone got any comments/opinions on this?

~Sakura Hana

[CherryDrPepper]

There wasn't a kill Night 1

FTFM

[CherryDrPepper]

I didn't think he had counterclaimed? I only remember him not believing Bulba, What I don't see is why... as it being very unlikely for both Bulba and SC to be both town, why SC didnt force a 1v1 between them both on D2 instead of on MyLo where lynching wrong will lead to a town lose.

~Sakura Hana

I sux at hydraing >.>

[CherryDrPepper]

If you think we are scum together with Bulba then vote Bulba

~Sakura Hana

[CherryDrPepper]

Truth be told tho, It is true that i started with a mindset of not intending to sign posts because i thought it'd be more fun that way, however DP rarely appears and he's scumreading Titus despite what i told him in our hydra QT. Not signing posts is fun, but hydra dissoance isn't fun for the others in the game hence why I started signing mine regardless. I don't really like hydra dissonance myself nor being accused for it, and it is quite likely that if town loses this game just because DP and I kept having different reads then I won't hydra again ever. Being accused of doing something scummy is fine, but being pushed for something that isn't even my fault isn't, and I can now see why most players in here hate hydras now.

Do that with what you will, if that loses town the game then so be it, i'm tired of explaining what i've already explained many times over.

On the other hand at least Silver Bard has a reason to scumread me, and SC is just survivalistic at this point considering he wants to 1v1 with me rather than with Bulba and people would most likely lynch the unclaimed player than the claimed PR, it's obvious he thinks he and bulba are town. Why again are we not lynching SC.

PEd. it needs 2 town votes on town during mylo to lose the game just saying.

[CherryDrPepper]

^
Sakura Hana

[CherryDrPepper]

Now this is the part where town loses if you both are town.

However i still think SC is scum so i think we're fine anyway.

~Sakura Hana

[CherryDrPepper]

Actually nevermind, if SC is town then he can still save it for town but...

Considering there would still be ANOTHER scum aside from Bulba running around he'd have to think to either block Bulba (unlikely bulba submits the kill) or Bulba's partner which it's obvious he's lost as to who it might be.

So tell me SC assume i flip town if you're town who would you roleblock tonight to save it for town.

~Sakura Hana

[CherryDrPepper]

Yeah you're right, if SC is town, then scum won't QH because that would make it obvious to the RB'r who the scum is.

So yeah not worried at all
~Sakura Hana

[CherryDrPepper]

but it seems more logical to try and get SC to block someone other than Bulba so you have a chance

Tell me how does this work if in your mind im Bulba's partner (or at least in SC's mind).

~Sakura Hana

[CherryDrPepper]

Except that's not what i'm saying? Your misreps hurt hard.

I'm trying to understand why SC who in his eyes Bulba should be scum, wants to 1v1 with me rather than with him. I mean in his eyes he should've blocked N1's kill and he's still refusing to vote Bulba, so I don't get what's the town motivation behind that?

~Sakura Hana

[CherryDrPepper]

It's a 1v1 because you're pushing it as either I die or SC dies, so it's p.much a 1v1 between SC and me.

My question is wrt to me flipping town nowhere in it, it says that Bulba's not scum in the assumption?

Obv if i were scum then i would flip scum and SC's most obvious choice would be to roleblock Bulba, but im not going to flip scum so if SC isn't scum he needs to block either Bulba who most likely wont submit the kill or Bulba's partner.

See why you're misrepping hard?

~Sakura Hana

[CherryDrPepper]

wrt = with regards to.

Guess i could ask you the same question, assume i flip town, who would you go after that, aside from Bulba.

~Sakura Hana

[CherryDrPepper]

Why did you need to overexplain it?

Anyway so TS huh? guess imma see if TS+SC fits...

~Sakura Hana

[CherryDrPepper]

I wanna say tho, thanks for doing half the homework for me, considering i've been absent during half the game I was too lazy to go back and re-read

~Sakura Hana

[CherryDrPepper]

This reminds me a lot of C9++ Where Varsoon CC'd the roleblocker and Titus buddied him to no end and Varsoon flipped scum roleblocker which is what made us vig her, but Titus is prob. Town this game again.

I'm not the mod but the most common scenario is that scum roleblocker takes priority over town roleblocker/jailkeeper.

Anyway the only thing making me doubt that it may be Bulba and not SC is why the fuck is Bulba still alive.

~Sakura Hana

[CherryDrPepper]

Your plan wont work when I flip town just saying.

[CherryDrPepper]

I already said it's one of Bulba/SC, I got no idea who might be the partner tho and that's what I'm trying to find out, considering I've been absent half the game.

Tell me tho, from your PoV i have more chance of flipping scum than Bulba, considering you're voting me rather than him? It makes little sense otherwise that's what I meant earlier.

If I were to PoE tho

Titus looks very town still.
SilverBard looked town because of Venmar's replace out, then saying im scum painting SC when i pointed some possibilities for me thinking he was scum is making me doubt that read.
TS seems to just go with the flow
And one of Bulba/SC is 100% scum and im leaning on SC being the one, because it's the same exact tactic Varsoon did in C9++

~Sakura Hana

[CherryDrPepper]

Because why would SC CC today rather than yesterday, if he had CC'd yesterday even if we lynched wrong out of the 2 we would still have had a confscum today. Him CC'ing today seems more like he wants to get away with a mislynch on Bulba since him being scum means that a MyLo mislynch = Scum win.

The he's CCing Bulba yet he votes me rather than Bulba, from his PoV shouldn't Bulba be like way closer to scum than I am?

How do you even know whether there's a roleblocker for scum or not and why are you scared of him? If you lynch scum today town still has a chance regardless of scum RBer or not.

As I said, if you think I'm Bulba's partner Bulba's the closest to a confscum you can have since for that you believe out of SC/Bulba, SC to be the town one, then why would you be voting me rather than Bulba? You get a scumflip either way from your PoV and it doesn't matter who the RBer is?

P.much my lynch today makes no sense at all, and with most of everyone behind it it's hard for me to tell who's the scum pushing it aside from SC.

Now, the thing is, I had a feeling SC was scum by PoE after Fu flipped town, Also I had a feeling TS is his partner, TS hasn't done anything today to make me think otherwise but my read on Bard is faltering because of that fail reasoning.

There were a lot of people thinking SC was possible scum yesterday before the day ended because PoE. So can you tell me how his claim is not survivalistic at all? And during MyLo? Idk, but if i was a town roleblocker who blocked someone claiming doc during the day of a no kill i'd say so immediately... Specially if my role is a roleblocker which means i could've conftowned someone for the next day or block the kill.

[CherryDrPepper]

he way you are not pushing for your SC scumread makes you scum.

I did say already why idk which of the 2 is scum.

Why is a claimed Doctor still alive? Care to explain?

~Sakura Hana

ftr: All previous CDP posts today is me (Sakura Hana) too, i just forgot to sign them.

[CherryDrPepper]

Also your theory doesnt take in mind me flipping town (again).

~Sakura Hana

[CherryDrPepper]

Cherry, can you see Titus as scum?

There's one thing about her being scum only because I have a thing against people that say I scumslip when im town, because 95% of the time i've seen it come from scum, but it's Titus and her logic is kinda meh >.>

At least that's what I heard from Nat wrt to Titus' meta (As in Titus town = Moonlogic)

From my PoV higher to lower chance of flipping scum

SC (Unless Bulba is scum) > You > Bard > Titus > Bulba (Unless SC is Town).

That doubt in my mind is why I'm not voting yet, because if SC is scum then Town will lose regardless with a townflip today.

~Sakura Hana

[CherryDrPepper]

I made a mistake wrt Titus on C9++, I was vig that game and I shot her just because of her moonlogic and buddying the flipped scum, I don't want to make the same mistake again.

Why is Bard town? The only thing going to him for me is Venmar's replace out but that's about it...

I'm not "so sure" as you put it, it's more like a 50/50 at the momment, and currently I'm trying to sort your reasoning out.

~Sakura Hana

[CherryDrPepper]

Oh I forgot about Bard's claim...

Ugh too tired of thinking this through, whatever whether town loses or wins because of me i'll take it come front in post-game.

I'll just pull a Nat.

Original Roll String: 1d2

1 2-Sided Dice: (1) = 1

[CherryDrPepper]

Vote: SC

[CherryDrPepper]

^ Both of those are

~Sakura Hana

[CherryDrPepper]

Sure but i got like 35 minutes, what do you wanna know

~Sakura Hana

[CherryDrPepper]

Why cant titus be scum

I'm not saying she "can't" be scum, but has very low chance of being one, it's mostly meta tho.

~Sakura Hana

[CherryDrPepper]

I still think that Cherry is most possible scum in all scenarios.

Does Mac agree on this?

~Sakura Hana

[CherryDrPepper]

I really hope Bulba's scum now =/

~Sakura Hana