Mini 1537: ATTACK ON TITAN (Game Over!)

[Brian Skies]

FIRST!

Vote: F-16

PEDIT: GOD DAMMIT!

[Brian Skies]

So if we manage to fill out half a page before he obvtowns, we can lynch him?

[Brian Skies]

Hope Tammy and Pieguyn are town as well so we can crush the scumteam into a billion tiny pieces.

The guys trying to buddy already. I demand sheep.

[Brian Skies]

Why so quick to townblock me? I could be eeeevillll.

[Brian Skies]

UNVOTE: F-16

VOTE: Kaze

The last time I saw a discussion like this, Slandaar scum and Peacebringer scum were arguing over the use of a smiley.

[Brian Skies]

Why are you concerned more about Pie's townblocking of you as opposed to me? Me, the scumfuck who is buddying as soon as the game started being in a townbloc not tripping your radar?

Are you the one townblocking me this early? No. Pieguyn is.

[Brian Skies]

How do you know he's fake-claiming?

[Brian Skies]

I know Pie. <3

[Brian Skies]

Annie Lionhart. Possible shapeshifter if I remember characters correctly.

[Brian Skies]

Okay, Bert passes early miller test. F-16, I think we could find better fruit elsewhere.

[Brian Skies]

Annie was a traitorous Titan in the series.

Did you watch it? At the end, it didn't really look like she had ill intentions. If anything, they left her true alignment out in the open.

[Brian Skies]

Also, the mod even said that character flavor doesn't determine alignment.

[Brian Skies]

In his first post, for a character that is likely to be a miller.

Although, I'm extremely curious as to what a weak miller is.

[Brian Skies]

What was the early miller test, Brian?

Personal logic check.

[Brian Skies]

In his first post, for a character that is likely to be a miller.

Although, I'm extremely curious as to what a weak miller is.

You JUST said that flavour didn't matter, Brian. The fuck?

Flavor doesn't matter for alignment. So saying a character was a "bad guy" in the series doesn't necessarily make that character a "bad guy" here.

[Brian Skies]

I'm not saying Bert is conf-town or anything. I'm just saying that his character is likely to be set-up as a miller trap (or he could just be fake-claiming). And I'd rather we avoid judging people solely on flavor because the mod already warned us not to.

[Brian Skies]

That was actually more of me explaining my personal logic check.

[Brian Skies]

Also, I was already planning on bringing up the flavor thing at some point.

[Brian Skies]

Didn't realize this was based on the manga. Haven't read it.

Regarding Pie, I do understand where he's coming from based on how the first season of the anime ends. They don't explicitly say what Annie's true intentions were and it looked like a pretty big grey area.

[Brian Skies]

Anyway, Brian, do you think flavour is relevant here or no? I'm not sure where you stand on this since you seem to be arguing for both sides.

I think flavor can be helpful, but not for directly specifying alignments. If the mod specified that flavor isn't alignment indicative, then there have probably been WIFOM traps laid out for us.

[Brian Skies]

You also need to realize that Bert didn't just claim his role, he outright claimed his character as well.

[Brian Skies]

@Kagami: Is the "weak" thing something that is only likely to come from town? I'm curious because you are making the assumption that he's town because of it.

[Brian Skies]

^

I like that Kagami. I wouldn't have trusted anybody that claimed weak after our discussion.

[Brian Skies]

@F-16: Here's the only other game I can think of where I had to deal with a claimed miller. I mislynched her in 3p lylo. =(

[Brian Skies]

Because flavor isn't alignment indicative, it is very unlikely that scum were given a fake-claim.

I don't know about this. I think it's likely scum were given fake-claims if there are titan roles in this set-up.

[Brian Skies]

She's probably considered a shape-shifter. Check mod's opening flavor post.

[Brian Skies]

Anyhow, I'm currently of the belief that there are flavor traps hidden in this set-up and the sooner we can discuss it and move on from it, the sooner we can find the scum.

[Brian Skies]

Kagami was actively looking to get other players to claim. Lack of a weak signifier means PR abilities. Kagami not only sought to get people to claim having abilities, but also asserted that only town could have it. She pretended that it was the usual weak like a weak doctor, despite apparently knowing that it is not. She pushed for more discussion and claims over it. Everyone who replied "what do you mean, weak miller?" outed themselves as a PR. But they would not have if she hadn't revealed what it actually meant. I think it is far more likely that she or part of the scum team is a goon and has the weak modifier, hence how they know what it means. They're the only ones who get to see multiple PMs.

It looked like simple rolefishing until page 5, where she was just asking more weak people to claim, back when everyone thought that weak was the town-signifying modifier that it usually is. Then she revealed what it really means, and I (foolishly) hesitated. But after a little more thought, it looks like a deliberate attempt to get people to reveal that they are not weak before they understood the significance.

The explanation of what the modifier really meant gave me pause, but now I feel much more certain.

VOTE: Kagami

Are you her partner, Plum?

Can you point out the rolefishing from her iso? Because it doesn't really look like she was doing it to me. If anything, it looks like she was trying to move away from it.

hmm. Mod stepping in, but I think that goes either way. It's usually a bad sign. But I think I have to give pitoli the benefit of the doubt here. Maybe she would rather put that sentence out if bert is indeed town and we confirm him without intended reason, but on the other hand, I don't know pitoli well enough to say she wouldn't pity town "confirming" scum as town under false assumptions.

I can understand that the timing of the comment from the mod is weird, but all I got out of it is her trying to tell us to "stop trying to break the game and fucking play it."

I have seen f-16 before, a couple of times now. I think I've started to get a feel for the guy. Possibly maybe. I think that's the first place we should look.

I only have one game experience with F-16. We were both town and he read me as scum the whole time (but townread me through meta). I think he can be an extremely valuable player if he's town though, and I agree that sorting him early can be valuable.

also, plum is scum

Vote: Plum

bro might be scum, too. and kaze

I'm curious about each of these reads and if you think they're tied together in some way.

I'm also rather curious about the plum mumblings. How many of you know her?

I have 1 game with her. I claimed miller, wasn't having a great game and ended up lurking for part of it, scum-plum jumps on me for "lurking." I might have to go back through that game and reassess what actually happened, but imo, she and Empire got caught out early and she couldn't mitigate the damage in time.

guys, does anyone of you know plum?

I don't understand why this question is so important. Even if we did know her, there's no guarantee we'd be able to pick up on whatever it is that's tipping you off to her alignment.

what are your thoughts about Pasch?

I don't like his push on Kagami, but that's because Kagami's actions look different to me. I think Kagami comes out better.

I don't believe the scum faction is "Shape-shifter", by the way. I think I've seen the idea kicked around a bit in the thread. I don't think it is so.

I don't think it is either. I think it's probably "Titan" with a possibility of a shape-shifter helping them. We already know that the scum were equipped with fake-claims (or they are now after the mod's announcement).

Bert is town because

-he seems very genuinely confused about the weak thing
-his posts read like a bewildered townie

-I don't think scum would get a weak fake-claim with only one other weak player
-Since scum have been given fake-claims, why would they be given "Weak Human Miller" of all things?

I bolded the parts I agree with. The reason why I think Bert is likely town is that I've seen his play over the past few months. No offense intended, but his recent play hasn't been that strong and I think, without a doubt in my mind, that he would claim outright if he actually received that role.

F-16 is scum because he is and and tammy is in the game.

=/

I fear that one, how annoying it is, is his meta. He doesn't feel like changing it or he enjoys abusing it as scum. Ticked me off before as well.

This actually sounds like it's describing me. But I don't remember every playing with you, so who are you referring to?

also, dan is town. Obvious, even, I think.

I don't know about obvious, but I have a townread on him (the comment about F-16 and Tammy makes me unsure though).

I am aware that Brian got mislynched as miller and knew full well that he wasn't going to fall for "wanna lynch this guy for fake-claiming." Knowing this, why are you acting as if I am being opportunistic?

Okay, I missed this before, but I decided to revisit it because it just occurred to me. If you knew I wasn't going to fall for it, how does it work as a test to get a read on me?

this doesn't really feel like town kaze.

I agree. I need to see more though, because I remember not liking him in Rows and Columns (and he was town there).

the beauty of alts. Also, read a couple of other games last time for exactly the same reason as dan is voting you right now.

Hmmm. I think I

might

know who you are. Not sure yet.

@Bro: Are you seriously using an abbreviation for my username as an excuse to make a push on another player? Zzzzz.

Dan is voting me because he is probably scum.

This is a terrible argument. Town vote town all the time. You legitimately thought I was scum in Mentor/Mentee and we were both town.

BRO, thoughts on Mykonian and Dan?

They're both being coy (I've already looked ahead though). Dan is town (I've already looked ahead to see his concern). Not quite sure on Myko, having second thoughts on who I think it is because the first post from that slot doesn't match up.

but I don't get the impression that we have a lot of gambit-happy players.

I do it sometimes. You even saw it in AG with my entrance post! I also tried to do one in Mismatched. Didn't work so well.

I'm pretty sure I remember empire telling me that Plum isn't very confident in her scum game. (I don't have my chat logs with him anymore, so don't quote me on this). But, she's comfortable with her town game, so I think that she'd be less likely to offer to take a leadership position as scum.

Oh, I remember reading something similar to this in the game (either Scum QT or post-chat or something).

It seems far more likely to me that he suspected Brian in the first place, saw a way to test him, and did.

Interesting thought. I remember him scum-reading me for most of Mentor/Mentee for my in-game actions, but town-read me through meta. So I DO think Falcon would fall back to using some sort of meta ploy to get a read on me. I also remember Bert saying something about him being able to fake meta-reads as scum though. Anyhow, I haven't seen Falcon as scum yet, so I don't know what to look for.

Mykonian, *twitches, cracks neck and knuckles* doesn't explain in Post 198 he rather challenges Kaze to see it.

I'm loving how this sounds like it should get Myko some inkling of a townread, but Tammy still refuses to give one out.

which everyone else seems completely disinterested in; and nobody else pointed out his misinterpreting my post/other people agreed with it, which is something I should go back and look at again

Sorry, not enough time to go back and read your interactions thoroughly. I'll re-read them when I get back. Current opinion: I think Pie comes out better because some of the aspects of your argument seem overplayed. Anyhow, Tammy makes some comments about the discussion in your favor, so I want to go back and check later to see if I'm in the wrong.

*Since I'm revisiting the interactions later anyways and I don't particularly like where they're going with them, I'm skipping Bro vs Pie related posts.

I laid out all the reasons why both Mykonian and ActionDan were playing anti-town and scummy and they responded with "don't let scum cajole you" or were busted as having no case.

I think Dan is town. Myko less town because he's just kind of piggybacking the argument.

F-16 is scum because after this post he never touched this again. He was clearly needling Brian Skies before this and this particular post does not give a sufficient answer to F-16's question.

The question, paraphrased, that F-16 asks Brian is, why is Brian concerned about Pie putting Brian in Pie's town block when Pie also has F-16 (who is scummy to Brian) in his town block. Brian's answer misinterprets the question and assumes Brian was put into F-16's town block also. If F-16 was particularly concerned about this line of inquiry, he would have continued it. It drops completely after post #26.

F-16 has had ample opportunity to look over this since I quoted it again but still didn't pick up on it. That's telling. He thinks it's history, done and over with, and can't remember why it was important to him... which means it never was.

And this is why I think Dan is town. I was unsure of what the question meant, was a bit bothered by Falcon dropping it because I didn't think I answered it correctly, but assumed I did because Falcon did drop it. However, I don't think this makes Falcon scum.

thoughts on ActionDan based on his recent posts?

I know you might not like it, but my read on Dan says town.

What do you think of Brian Skies so far?

That guy is town.

*Long post from Myko regarding post 92. Immediate opinion: Feels town-motivated and the logic in the post makes sense. It resonates with me because this was how ProHawk caught me as scum in Cash Cabd (a lot of effort early on for towncred, made sure town knew what I was doing, was more subconscious than actually intended).

VOTE: F-16

V/LA until Wednesday

Will post when I can.

[Brian Skies]

Lets be clear about this one, I'm not. I think Dan thinks correctly, but that the thing he's voting f-16 for is normal for f-16. It ticked me off before as well, I know it's scummy in general, but the tell doesn't work for F-16. All it tells me is that Dan is looking at the game in a way that I can understand and that's town.

I agree that what Dan posted looks to be coming from a town mindset. As far as piggybacking goes, I was referring to the way you were just following along with the suspicion without explicitly stating your thoughts, not whether you agreed with him or not.

I think mafia is a social game. I don't think we are nice little logical machines who try to find scum and lynch them. Because that would imply we'd lynch everybody equally, depending on reads, which we clearly don't. We lynch some people more, some people less, and part of that has to do with social groups etc. Or in simple words, we are less likely to lynch someone we like, feel more paranoid about someone we know, but on the other hand we do keep back from outright lynching them (why else would paranoia be so powerful in those cases). You can agree with me or not in that case. Now, as far as I can see, plum used to fall squarely in the "liked" catagory. Nice person etc, posts well and thoughtful, is known to be a decent player. All in all, squarely falling in the catagory that I would expect to not be lynched a lot in a group of players that knew her.

Which is why the undercurrent that names plum is surprising to me. It's different than what I expected from this game and I'm trying to find out if the reasons is either that people simply don't know her, or because I'm wrong about my assumptions about her, or because scum is somehow mingling in that discussion and amplifying the noise it's making in this game.

Regardless, it says very little about plum's allignment. It might say something about the people talking about her.

I agree with you about the type of game Mafia is, which is why I'm drawn to it.

The bolded part makes sense.

I wish he wouldn't quote stripe so long but I'm leaning town on him.

Currently thinking of a way to adjust my posting habit.

I don't like his push on Kagami, but that's because Kagami's actions look different to me. I think Kagami comes out better.

Why does it feel like you're making the assumption that any aggressive interaction b/w two players is Town v. Scum?

I don't make that assumption. I judge players based on interactions.

I also don't remember what happened between you and Kagami.

Now why are you jumping into a line of questioning not addressed at you?

Because I want to.

Again, are you asserting that there's 1 scum in {me, Pie}

No, I just think Pie is townier than you. It's a relativity thing.

I'll also admit that I haven't looked at your interactions that thoroughly yet.

It is a bad tell. Why is dropping lines of questioning scummy? It seemed more like he was pretending to scumhunt rather than actually figuring out my affiliation. His responses when I explained it to him are that a) I made an error, b) I should be self-conscious. Neither of those make any sense.

I agree that it is a bad tell, but I don't think it makes him scummy. He probably thinks he found something off about your play and thinks your reaction to it could be coming from scum.

Anyhow, where is the Falcon from mentor/mentee that could see the town motivation in Dr. D's and Slimer's posts? I'm not getting that here. All I see is over-defensive OMGUSing Falcon.

*Even though I don't want to, going to have to go back and check Bro vs Kagami and Bro vs Pie interactions before my next post because of the Bro wagon. But mostly because:

Bro, you've thrice complained that it would be impossible for scum not to know about the weak stuff, and have even said that it would be "gamebreakingly bad modding" for that to be so. If you're wrong, that's one hell of an insult to pitoli. I think it's unlikely that you'd be willing to tell the mod off like that, especially since you've modded yourself and not without difficulty. The only way you could be sure you're not seriously insulting pitoli is if you are scum and you were indeed told about the weak modifier.

VOTE: bro

fwiw, I think pasch is scum too~

This jump onto the wagon reeks.

Kaze what the fuck
do you srsly think this is alignment indicative? I accused you of doing the same thing in AA:MFA iirc

Wasn't I questioned of the same thing in that game?

I realized I stopped quote-striping at some point and the reason for it is because I need to re-read the game. Also, Mastin has decided to join Falcon. Despite me wanting Falcon to be town because he is the only meta-diver I actually like, he has still disappointed me so far with his reactions to Dan. Mastin gets until my V/LA ends to convince me I'm wrong about the Falcon slot.

[Brian Skies]

MUFFIN

[Brian Skies]

Bert, let's just claim masons together.

[Brian Skies]

On another note, I went back to the origins of the Pie vs Bro debate, and Pie was the one blowing it out of proportion, not Bro. I'm greatly disappointed in you, Pie.

[Brian Skies]

Meh. Now that I'm reading his posts again, Pasch is probably town. Mastin too.

But I'd like Mastin to talk to me about it. Because although I can see town motivation in what Pasch is saying, I think his "scum role-fishing" theory is a little far-fetched and I'm wondering why he went there instead of just occam's razor. Have any of you played with Pasch before? Does he do stuff like this as town?

UNVOTE

[Brian Skies]

I am just going to go ahead and guess that Kagami is notty. If I'm wrong, there will be more guessing.

[Brian Skies]

Question is, does the rest of town see what I see?

You could be implying one of two things. Either way, I don't think this makes Bert scum. He probably just missed it in thread.

[Brian Skies]

Figure it out on your own.

[Brian Skies]

I don't trust zMM too much. tbfrank.

But I want him to be town. If you could lynch any one person today, who would it be?

[Brian Skies]

So, do I need to spell it out for those not seeing it or ... ?

I'm thinking from the responses thus far AD, zMM, and Brian are town.

Probably. I'm not even sure I'm seeing what you're seeing.

As far as zMM is concerned, I don't remember him ever responding to your post.

[Brian Skies]

It's kind of hard to just take your word for something, Muffin. How confident are you about your vote?

[Brian Skies]

Muffin, are you town?

[Brian Skies]

Hahahaha.

[Brian Skies]

Why am I so unsure about all my reads Muffin?

[Brian Skies]

Well, not all of them.

[Brian Skies]

No one cares about what scum thinks, Kaze.

[Brian Skies]

Did I hurt the little scum's feelings?

[Brian Skies]

Also, ActionDan is town.

Indubitably.

By the way, where's your vote? I can understand not voting a scumread due to voting an even bigger scumread, but you're not voting at all. Not voting and yet you apparently have a scumread on me. Why are you taking shots from the sidelines?

Because I see you as an unlikely lynch. And I like taking shots from the sidelines. Reminds me of my high school football benchwarming days.

i don't know why people started thinking mastin is town

I don't know why other people do, but my read changed based on a reevaluation of Falcon's slot. Sure, Falcon's early meta analysis was out-of-place, but I'm not surprised he did it. He had already read that game because he meta-dived me in a micro, so he probably just remembered the reactions from Plum and Kaze to my miller claim there.

Although I didn't like his reactions to Myko and Dan, I can see them coming from a town POV. Falcon probably felt like he was being scum-read for bullshit reasons, thought he had caught scum, and town was ignoring his pleas. His posting gives me similar vibes to the micro I played with him where he was 'sure' I was scum (even though he was wrong) and Nacho was my partner (who was actually scum but I kept ignoring it because regardless of alignment, I knew lynching Nacho wasn't going to win me that game).

Anything Mastin has done/does is just going to be based on biased favoritism. I am aware I do this, so I'm ignoring him right now.

every time I tried to log in and post last night, the site was down.

Same for me.

3. Bert was worried about Tammy dying at night yet most the town have a 1 shot commute. Scum might not have known that, thus, it was out of place and semi scummy (and valid)

Meh. Close enough to what I thought you were seeing.

Bert is adept at emulating his town game. This is the worst possible thing you could be doing. Go read, please.

Not really. There is an extremely fine line between his town game and his scum game. I've seen some flashes of his town-game here, but I need to see more.

And additionally,

Bert expects me to die early and tends to throw paranoid fits at me when I don't die early enough

, so that statement wasn't necessarily a scum post but just a how Bert expects the game to go with me post.

I was expecting the italic parts to be true. Except he did miss something incredibly important when he made that statement, and I'm starting to think I'm one of the few people who actually noticed it (and I didn't actually noticed it until my re-read). But I know Bert sometimes misses critical information, so I'm not currently worried about him (if anything, I think it's more likely that he's town because he missed it).

Willing to lynch today:
Kazekirimaru

Prob-scum. I don't know what it is, but the things he does this game gives me a bad feeling.

Bert

I have him as null-town. I haven't seen enough from him to feel comfortable about it, but I have seen some small flashes of his town game. Either way, not interested in his lynch today.

Plum

Not sure. Prob-scum. Kind of just jumped at Pasch's early post and her read doesn't look malleable (doesn't actually look like she wants to figure Pasch out, so it's a tad concerning).

Kagami

Seems stuck on flavor, but I think some of her posting comes from a town mindset.

Pieguyn

I have a townlean on Pie. He's playing similarly to other games I've played with him where he seems to actively want to figure out this game. I haven't seen his scum-game yet, but I feel good enough about Pie that I feel comfortable about this read.

Paschendale

Not sure. Prob-scum. Muffin and Mastin both say he's town, but I'm not seeing what Pasch sees regarding role-fishing (except the parts about Plum).

mastin2

My read of Falcon says prob-town. Although, I agree with Kagami's sentiments regarding Mastin's most recent reads list. It doesn't actually say anything except him assigning town-reads and scum-reads.

Tammy

I don't know. I just have her listed as a null.

I will quickly and gladly bandwagon any of the above for a D1 lynch.

Kthxbye/Bro

Both of them were weak town-reads before their claims. My earlier read on Myko has deteriorated a bit since he replaced out, but any interest I would have had in lynching either of them has disappeared with their most recent claims.

Muffin

Not sure. Prob-town. I've only seen him as town and his play this game kind of falls in line with what I've seen from him.

Dan

Town. Mostly a gut-read and because a little birdie told me so.

Anyhow, the bolded parts are mine and I'd be okay with lynching people I haven't crossed out.

[Brian Skies]

No, I think you're scummy because you seem more content with sitting on a Pasch lynch with some LAL policy instead of trying to figure him out in the event he's just town who's seeing something that may or may not actually be there.

The more times I read Pasch's posts, the more sense they start to make for me. So I can actually see town motivation coming from them. Yet, you don't seem interested in figuring him out at all. You just want to see him lynched.

VOTE: Plum

I'm okay with a Plum counter-wagon.

[Brian Skies]

@Pasch: I can't remember, but weren't you up for a claim? I think you're at L-2 and supposedly Kaze's vote is there "in spirit" (he just wants the hammer).

[Brian Skies]

Because he is also a scum-read. And why does it matter that I express it when other people have stated the same thing?

[Brian Skies]

Why would you want someone to claim who you don't want lynched?

Because there has already been a pseudo-intent to hammer and others have already stated that they want his claim. Since he's here now, I thought I'd bring it up.

[Brian Skies]

And that alternative would be?

[Brian Skies]

Because?

[Brian Skies]

You didn't really go by vibes which you tend to do. Also, the reasoning behind it felt bunched together and artificial. That's just how it looks. I thought it was a reaction test, in the mold of a Falcon reaction test, when I first saw the post. <3

No, those are my reads this game and my reasoning. The "vibes" may or may not be worded a different way, but they're there. I just wanted to at least get my reads out before tonight in case something unexpected happens to me. And I think you've seen enough of my games to know I don't like to commit to Day 1 deadline wagons (not really a deadline wagon, but it's getting close to being one).

Regarding the Pasch wagon, I'm not really all that interested because I have at least two stronger players telling me I'm wrong about it (and I respect both of them, both of whom I think probably have town-slots). Plum I'm fine with because she is also a scum-read and one both of the aforementioned players want to wagon. At the very least, we can get information based on which wagon actually ends up going through.

Brian, if you're scum, you should worry.

Well, that's a relief then.

[Brian Skies]

like seriously? I pointed out an obvious slip Brian made and instead you choose to discredit me

Brian x Kaze 2014

Why weren't one of the claimed pseudo-Masons killed? ._.

LIKE THIS IS A PERFECT EXPLANATION FOR WHY NEITHER OF THE PSEUDO-MASONS WERE KILLED

in other words: gotcha, scumfuck

That's not a scum-slip. That's a breadcrumb. And it's probably why he got NK'ed. I'm okay with claiming, but after seeing all the action I missed before Plum got hammered, it's going to open one hell of a can of worms.

[Brian Skies]

Jesus goes first.

Who's Jesus? Kaze?

[Brian Skies]

OH! IS MASTIN JESUS?

[Brian Skies]

I'm having a shitton of trouble seeing her scum after she tried to figure out a way to outright break the game

Why do you people write this off as a town-tell?

[Brian Skies]

Lemme guess? AP?

What about Anything Goes where Mastin was "TROLOLOLOL SCUM CAN"T HAVE BOTH A GLAD AND A DAYVIG, THAT WOULD BE BROKEN"?

[Brian Skies]

Anyhow, what you're saying and what I'm saying are two different things. You're arguing set-up spec, I'm arguing set-up breaking.

[Brian Skies]

I'm seeing what you're seeing, which is why I said I thought her posting was coming from a town-mindset at the end of Day 1. But appearing to want to "break the game" isn't something I consider alignment indicative. You have to look at the whole picture.

In the game I linked, I knew FG's set-up spec benefited scum, but didn't know whether it was coming from town or scum. It wasn't until after his terrible push on Nacho that I could tie it together.

[Brian Skies]

I'm having a shitton of trouble seeing her scum after she tried to figure out a way to outright break the game

Why do you people write this off as a town-tell?

You're comparing kagami to fake god? FG who mods games and runs complicated setups to kagami who is new? I mean, no, trying to break a game is not outright town, but you have to look at the way people do it and I don't see going FakeGod did it so Kagami's isn't necessarily town.

You're missing what I'm trying to say. Pie said he was having a hard time seeing Kagami not be town because the way she was trying to "outright break the game." And I offered Pie an immediate counter-example of Scum-FG appearing to "outright break the game." And although I know the type of player FG is now, I didn't know the type of player he was when I played that game with him. And obviously, based on my conversation with Mara in the dead QT, FG's reputation AS A MOD was giving other players in the game townvibes BECAUSE of his set-up speculation.

Pie's reasoning for Kagami being town was much better explained in his most recent post about Kagami. But thinking somebody is town just because of "appearing to try to break a game" is complete bullshit. It's all about the motivations behind their actions.

[Brian Skies]

I don't know.

I was under the impression Muffin wanted a mass-claim and nobody else has said anything on the matter.

[Brian Skies]

I actually don't want a mass-claim, but I'm willing to claim my role since I don't see a point in keeping it hidden anymore.

[Brian Skies]

I'm

Petra Ral

, an

Informed Human

(townie). I have a passive ability called

His Solid Rock: ActionDan

which tells me his flavor (Lance Corporal Levi) and his alignment (that he's with the human faction). It's also the reason why I had such a strong townread on him yesterday (because he was already confirmed to me). I was told that he was not aware of my alignment (so although the reciprocated townread felt good, I'm pretty sure that was just his read on me).

I don't trust zMM too much. tbfrank.

But I want him to be town. If you could lynch any one person today, who would it be?

This is me straight up addressing the person who is confirmed town to me. Not a breadcrumb.

Why am I so unsure about all my reads Muffin?

Well, not all of them.

This one was unintentional. But I decided to turn 888 into a breadcrumb with 889, since Dan was already confirmed to me and all.

Also, ActionDan is town.

Indubitably.

This is me trying to nitpick my way into Mastin's reads to remove doubt about whose alignment I was informed about should I end up getting NK'ed.

Dan Town. Mostly a gut-read and because

a little birdie told me so

.

A breadcrumb that Pie thinks is a scum-slip. The little birdie is my role PM.

You didn't really go by vibes which you tend to do. Also, the reasoning behind it felt bunched together and artificial. That's just how it looks. I thought it was a reaction test, in the mold of a Falcon reaction test, when I first saw the post. <3

No, those are my reads this game and my reasoning. The "vibes" may or may not be worded a different way, but they're there.

I just wanted to at least get my reads out before tonight in case something unexpected happens to me.

And I think you've seen enough of my games to know I don't like to commit to Day 1 deadline wagons (not really a deadline wagon, but it's getting close to being one).

This wasn't planned because Bert asked me about my reads. But it was an open invitation for the scum-team to night kill me. I'm also a 1-shot commuter, but I didn't use it last night.

So if Dan died because of me last night, my apologies to him.

Also, if town wants to mass-claim, that's your choice. Seeing as how town is expected to have 1-shot commuters, I have some reservations about it. You can consider this post a popcorn to Jesus if town does decide to do it.

[Brian Skies]

So, like, I don't know. Are you both doing the whole role-play thing?

[Brian Skies]

Aaaargh, weerrr de ter o' ye captervated bah de shimmerrrin seeee?

[Brian Skies]

[Brian Skies]

Dat one yellow spongy dude that I hate with a passion.

[Brian Skies]

1058 would have been enough time for scum-Brian to decide that AD wasn't getting mislynched before NK'd.

Fine. Iso me and search for Dan's name. Not only does he appear the most in my iso, but I almost always mention him as town. Even higher than Myko, whose reasoning against Falcon I considered stronger than Dan's.

Brian - you have that role and it doesn't seem odd to you that two other people are running around claiming they're near confirmed to each other?

Well, obviously. It's not like they ever claimed masons. They're just like "ermahgahd, you're xxxx? but I didn't know your alignment or anything!" :shrugs:

Plus other reasons I'm not allowed to talk about.

[Brian Skies]

I'm not. Bro thinks the timing of my crumbs are suspicious. So I told him to iso me and look for Dan's name. It's not like I was being subtle about Dan being town.

[Brian Skies]

You basically just said you did. "Not only does he appear the most in my iso...". Not "I bet", not "I guarantee", even. You flat out stated it as fact. Now, for what reason would you ISO yourself?

To check my ego. Anyhow, I know what I've done this game. I know what my role is. I know that I've stated several times that Dan was town (tried to make it seem organic at first, but it's kind of hard to breadcrumb and not seem blatantly scummy about it when the guy rarely posts and decides to be overly coy with his push against Falcon). The breadcrumbs at the end of Day 1 were to leave, without a doubt in your guys' minds, that Dan WAS town should I have been NK'ed. Iso'ing is just a means to make sure it's there. If you guys don't believe me, then you guys don't believe me. But I don't want to hear "oh the timing of it is bullshit" because I've been trying to make it pretty blatant all game.

[Brian Skies]

Yea, I can see that. I didn't intentionally lie. I was just trying to explain that the purpose of my statement was to tell Bro to iso me, because I thought you were mistaken about what I was trying to say.

[Brian Skies]

Rawr! Damn prods.

[Brian Skies]

Let me know when you guys are done with the mass claim stuff.

[Brian Skies]

Haven't been reading/catching up. Still think Falcon was town.

Is anyone else concerned with how strong Bro's ability sounds?

[Brian Skies]

Don't have time to read this right now.

[Brian Skies]

Vote: Mastin

Mindlessly sheeping because I don't want to read right now and I seem to be on a completely different wavelength from everybody else. That should be L-1.

[Brian Skies]

L-1.

Miscounted yesterday. Going to re-read the thread at some point in the near future (hopefully, my life kind of sucks right now).