Newbie 1492 - You're Next! (Game Over)

[Lootifer]

Confirm.

And.

VOTE: Nzmobb

Please tell me you are a kiwi.

[Lootifer]

I am strictly a evil-on-the-weekends-only guy tyvm.

[Lootifer]

VOTE: Burning_Earth

2 kiwis > 1 Aussie

[Lootifer]

Im going V/LA this weekend so you might have to wait (conference onf evil masterminding).

Noted.

[Lootifer]

Jesus just had a quick skim. This game is insane.

Is burning scum simply because of the last minute attempt to change vote or is there more too it?

[Lootifer]

Claiming BP if you are a BP is the perfect thing to do when you have a doc claim on the table.

From his PoV you have fakeclaimed and only an idiot would fakeclaim as town in this situation (T S O can you conifrm this with an IC perspective?).

Finally you are also

exactly

the kind of arrogant little narcissist that would lynch his scum-buddy in a gambit.

VOTE: renioe

The good thing is even if I am wrong and you are town; at least we have got ourselves rid of you and can move on and enjoy the game. There's no downside to lynching you

[Lootifer]

...sigh...

Also I dont think your vote was needed kyndy.

And last but not least, if you are such a good player renioe why did you self hammer as town?

[Lootifer]

Most likely situation is they shot okapoka.

Otherwise I would hope that someone would come out and counterclaim.

Please if you are a doc or a 1-shot BP please counterclaim okapoka

There is no downside for town.

[Lootifer]

God I feel like we're still in RVS with how much information we have to go on (other than the obvious pile of dead bodies).

Mobbdeep

: Nothing

Burning_Earth

: Lots of posting, but not very readable. The Renioe thing was a mess so it'd be very easy to have played that dialog as scum, and there is the little fact of his unvote on the RVS wagon. Null-scum.

T S O

: Nothing really. Hasnt been particularly protown though.

kyndy

: Oddly fragmented style; RVS vote could have been distancing; was keen for BE lynch prior to claim BS so could be a scum angling for a mislynch. Overall null-scum mostly based on gut

okapoka

: confirmed ex-BP-now-VT without a counterclaim; can't be a gambit otherwise there would still be a town PR out there and they would have counterclaimed

Lootifer

: Pretty much the most awesome mafia player and person around (thats actually a lie, im quite terrible at mafia! )

Right now i'd lynch either BE or kyndy but neither are a solid reads.

[Lootifer]

VOTE: kyndy

Scum.

[Lootifer]

Okapoka you are confirmed town, you dont have to scum hunt too hard here, just sit back let us bicker amongst ourselves and then you can make a judgment call at end of the day (i.e. you should be the hammer).

I dont think you want to vote now because if scum isnt already on the wagon then you want to force them into making their own moves (rather than sheeping you).

In other words, please let kyndy respond naturally.

So who can be trusted right now?

No one from your PoV. We, however, can trust

you

[Lootifer]

Well it could be either right?

Reason scum would put a shot on okapoka is to stop him going to endgame confirmed town. Not really ideal. Seems pretty obvious and not sure why you would miss that T S O.

Conversely occams razor states that nzmobbdeep is scum via inactivity.

*shrug*

Either way UNVOTE:

[Lootifer]

...right.

I'm convinced I'm right, but I can't prove it to you.

I'll tell you what. Going by your theory, then scum are killing you tonight. If you're not dead tomorrow, I'm right and the last scum is Nzmobb.

I'll stop tunnelling on Nzmobb until tomorrow, but if you're not dead, then he's practically confirmed scum.

Hah. By making this post you kind of ensured this didnt happen.

You seem to be assuming a lot about what newbies do. Last couple of newbies i've played I have been one of the least experienced.

I am ok with either a burning_earth or nzmobb lynch, hell I could be convinced of lynching T S O as well tbh.

[Lootifer]

Oh and I will have crap activity this week. Shitloads on at work (and usually I skive off at work making my Mafia posts).

[Lootifer]

Gut instinct, but you are right. I should shut up.

And what do you mean fence sitting BE? You mean I should, instead, make some rash decision based on the plethora of information we have to work with? Check out my hypothesis on Renioe, how did that work out for me?

[Lootifer]

You should read, then see who you think is scum. As in one person.

Okapoka is confirmed town
kyndy is town for now
T S O is null (as in I have read him and he could be either scum or town - not: I have no read on him); note his behaviour has been largely pro-town
BE could be scum
NZMobbdeep slot could be scum

Now of course I understand there is only one scum in this game; but I see no reason not to highlight the fact my reads are tentative at best.

This game is pretty crap so I would be quite happy to lynch both my scum reads over the next two days and take it on the chin if I am wrong.

[Lootifer]

Prod dodge and just wanted to repeat, for T S O, that I will vote nzmobb/xay today if required.

[Lootifer]

I got a bit of time right now.

I have B_E as one of two scum options (other being NZMob), but theres not much too that; the unvote, PoE (which is vulnerable to you being good at this game), and, well, nothing readily towny in his gameplay.

Anything else?

[Lootifer]

Nope. Reaction to pressure was towny enough for me in the circumstances.

[Lootifer]

nah we can know nzmobbs activity, he still could have made a NK [attempt]

[Lootifer]

ebwop: we can't know nzmobbs activity.

[Lootifer]

Eh I guess im done. We arent going to get any more useful information I dont think.

T S O (or kyndy for that matter) may very well be scum, but if they are it isn't going to be a particularly difficult or satisfying victory. The two obvious guys (Xay and B_E) really need to be lynched.

All the motivations are null, which is how I usually scumhunt (unlike T S O I am not very good at reading the minut details in individual posts) so meh.

VOTE: Xay

[Lootifer]

Actually, we can, and I just did. I looked at his posts - he only has 5, and they're all in this game bar his /in the Newbie queue.

And none of them are past n2 - therefore, NzMobb was inactive during it.

To be fair he could have been lurking and still submitted a NK before he finally dissapeared. But as my vote above shows I agree that this is unlikely.

[Lootifer]

Lynching xay would do nothing if he was town. If we let xay live another turn, and I dont die xay would be conftown so we should lynch another scumspect and wait till the next day to decide to lynch xay.

Not quite.

Basically scum, whoever they are, is going to go for the kill that causes the most confusion. If we don't lynch Xay then they can play WIFOM mind games with us. Lynching Xay (assuming a mislynch here, if Xay is scum then we win, gg) forces mafia into a predictable pattern and we work it out tomorrow.

Also lynching Xay clears out the stupid aspect of this game (a potential no-kill because of inactivity) and even if town would make tomorrow more fun However I said that yesterday and it didn't work out so well so iunno...

[Lootifer]

Thought that said lynching Xay almost ensures you die Okapoke so I do have to weigh up the options of a conftown vs. your relative inexperience.

[Lootifer]

Hey T S O can you give a current read of kyndy? Interested in your thoughts to see if they are on the same page as mine.

[Lootifer]

Hey T S O can you give a current read of kyndy? Interested in your thoughts to see if they are on the same page as mine.

I find kyndy rather hard to scumread at this moment in time. As I've explained before, his RVS votes incline him towards Town - I don't think kyndy is particularly brazen, so if he was scum moving on his partner like that would be exceptionally out of character for him. As well as this, #226 bleeds Town.

The only thing I don't like about kyndy's ISO is a recent post about anyone but him being lynched, but that could be survivalistic newbTown as well. I've seen it before, I guess.

Are you scumreading him?

Nah, but just wanted to see what your thinking was. I have, like you, found recent posting to be slightly suspicious, hence the question.

@Xay: Can you go into some more detail on me?

[Lootifer]

Um bump?

Thanks for the response Xay... I guess.

[Lootifer]

Hey im willing to lynch. Ill vote B_E if I have to, would rather Xay thou.

[Lootifer]

The bottom line is Burning_Earth is going to be contentious no matter what and I'd rather him be contentious and lynched today rather than a huge issue in MyLo/LyLo.

But isn't Xay just as contentious?

[Lootifer]

Would you like the honors T S O?

[Lootifer]

Eh it was a throw away comment, I wouldn't read into it.

VOTE: burning_earth