Graveyard Shift Mafia - ROLL CREDITS

[BirdAndBeast]

This game has already started and my buddy and I don't even have a QT to share hydra thoughts in which is unfortunate. Unfortunate because Im hoping to actually take full advantage of the hydra business this time. By that I mean there should not be any AP posts nor should there be any mastin posts, but a blend of the two as we combine our thoughts and express them as one unit Much unlike Shadow and Lights Mafia where AP mad bad moves and snowballed the suspicion on our slot by attempting to put out the fires on his own.

ANYHOW, you'll note that we have received a town role PM and will be catching all the scum as soon as we've resolved out backend issues .

[BirdAndBeast]

I really really am, planning to put in good work.

And I mean, I love all three of you but wtf at 3 headed hydras.

town.

so how long do we have bro around cos he is in the night shift and I want to leave him a juicy trail that will hopefully result in a list of his reads

Could be scum.

VOTE: BROseidon

[BirdAndBeast]

big bird is that you???

I retract my previous assertion. While Jesters

could

be scum, they aren't, they're town. This is town mollie to a T.

[BirdAndBeast]

We have a QT now, tremble scumbags.

Now that? ^. THAT is scum

VOTE: AGar.

[BirdAndBeast]

Maaaan co-ordinating lynches is gonna be hella fun in this one.

VOTE: AGar.

[BirdAndBeast]

Oh, hi, Mastin. Nice to see you.

[BirdAndBeast]

VOTE: AGar.

Ha! I read him scum first!

Bah!
You voted him first!

(Who needs a QT to act as a synchronous unit? )

[BirdAndBeast]

QQ complicated setup

Also could be scum.

[BirdAndBeast]

VOTE: AGar.

Ha! I read him scum first!

Bah!
You voted him first!

(Who needs a QT to act as a synchronous unit? )

lol.

but you should really get to the QT.

[BirdAndBeast]

(Butyeah, I should really get to the QT, before AP kills me.)

[BirdAndBeast]

i really can't tell if you're being ironic or cheeky

waitwat, they're different?

[BirdAndBeast]

AP! Stop trolling!

[BirdAndBeast]

this is going to be one of "those" games i can feel it

Yep, in the best way possible.

[BirdAndBeast]

i like the paranoia in this post and the laser-like focus

This sarcasm? This better be sarcasm.

[BirdAndBeast]

I feel like he's at the very LEAST trying to keep the town on track for having a productive first shift

So do I, I just think the track he wants the town to be listening to is a scum-oriented tune.

[BirdAndBeast]

You can keep a town on track. The trick is differentiating between on track for scum agenda and on track for town agenda. AGar's strongly leaning to the former.

[BirdAndBeast]

baaaahh

VOTE: agar

A hydra of Nacho, mollie, and Desp sheeps us.

...Isn't that, uh...kinda backwards?

(Well, I suppose you could say we preemptively sheeped you...)

[BirdAndBeast]

A town? sure. this town? EHUEHUEHUEHUEHUE

Meh. We'll manage. (For instance, onto AGar.)

[BirdAndBeast]

You can keep a town on track.

A town? sure. this town? EHUEHUEHUEHUEHUE

Mastin wants you to rage more.

[BirdAndBeast]

Mastin wants you to rage more.

FAKErage. FAKE rage. I know that they can't real-rage so early, in spite of their reputations.

[BirdAndBeast]

Thought of something in the QT, want to post it here:

I was really hoping to share a shift with Logical Duality so I could push a policy lynch on secret hydras (because that's always fun). I mean I guess I could do that anyway, but that would be boring.

Isn't Serene2's third head anonymous?

[BirdAndBeast]

I'd say it was obvious to everyone who read the rules from before they got their role pm.

Pl0x be 2 refraining from dis. TIA.

Vote them please.

They aren't exactly someone I'd peg for scum so. Wrong, but not scum.

I feel like he's at the very LEAST trying to keep the town on track for having a productive first shift

So do I, I just think the track he wants the town to be listening to is a scum-oriented tune.

Yes, trying to cut out things like voting for the player who is mod-confirmed unlynchable town in the other shift surely benefits scum. If it were a normal game, sure that'd be funny and fine. But, and we found out pretty quickly that some people weren't aware of this, the posting and interaction this game is abnormal. At best.

Jesus, you're scum.

[BirdAndBeast]

AP and I (mostly me) are blazing in our QT. Needless to say, AGar's gone from eh-gut-reaction-probably-scum to holy-bleepidy-bleep-he's-

actually

-scum.

I'll hold off on posting my case for a bit, but I think it's actually pretty dang solid.

[BirdAndBeast]

SERENE, AGAR, SVEN ARE SCUM IN OUR GROUP GOGOGOGO

<3 Desp.

Sven's probably not, though he could be.
Serene could be town, though I like your thought there.

AGar, though, is just hilariously scum.

[BirdAndBeast]

FAKERY DETECTED

Of all the things we've posted that have been fake, you decide to focus on one of the only things that's actually real?

[BirdAndBeast]

you can share your thoughts in your scum QT.

(Scum QTs are still QTs. Especially given daytalk.)

[BirdAndBeast]

Shit, now we can't fakeclaim masons with Serene2.

[BirdAndBeast]

Shit, now we can't fakeclaim masons with Serene2.

It's okay, AP.

We can still realclaim masons with Infinite Jesters!

[BirdAndBeast]

SERENE IS IGNORING ME TOO!

Fair point.

[BirdAndBeast]

But seriously.

We should probably let everyone have their piece spoken, which means not only this shift but also the next, yet...we really, really shouldn't be lynching anyone other than AGar. We can mess around a lot and play around with others, but that's how the day will end: with his scumlynch.

[BirdAndBeast]

i'm not ignoring you mollie, i just figure it's too early to remind you that you can't read me for shit

But can she not read other players for shit?

[BirdAndBeast]

was also when i figured out that i can only read AP accurately when he's scum so I'm pretty much just gonna let him slide for now

Damn, I really was hoping you'd be town.

[BirdAndBeast]

was that the game where mastina/katsuki was scum and I wanted to lynch them
I think bird things are town

Yes, it was, and yes, we are.

[BirdAndBeast]

at least i repayed mastin lol

/is still super-mega-bitter about that.

[BirdAndBeast]

Brb, asking the jesters their collective opinion on Zdenek.

[BirdAndBeast]

Random role softclaim, 'cause I can't resist:
Our role would make you think things not random.

[BirdAndBeast]

Random role softclaim, 'cause I can't resist:
Our role would make you think things not random.

(Which means that, yes. We got a highly, HIGHLY appropriate role.
Again.)

[BirdAndBeast]

do you not remember Anything Goes?

I'm getting real sick and tired of people bringing that game up.

[BirdAndBeast]

We should take a break, because we're going to turn this game into a clusterfuck if we continue posting.

[BirdAndBeast]

We should take a break, because we're going to turn this game into a clusterfuck if we continue posting.

Awwwwwww, but AP!

Trolling them all is so much fun!

[BirdAndBeast]

I'm getting real sick and tired of people bringing that game up.

and I'm real sick and tired of it hanging over my head, so how about LEARNING FROM THE PAST RATHER THAN REPEATING IT

except this time, you might actually be scum.

[BirdAndBeast]

except this time, you might actually be scum.

Serene? Of COURSE they're scum.

...It's just a matter of if they're

mafia

.
(Lean towards yes.)

[BirdAndBeast]

Hey, kuribo. I was scum last time, so ME battling you wouldn't be repeating history.
(Actually, it would...if you're actually scum like I'm concerned you are. )

[BirdAndBeast]

nah mastin, you battling me would end with me faking a guilty on you and getting you lynched while you're VLA if i was scum

Well, I sorta am V/LA right now, so if you fake a daycop, you could have a chance.

[BirdAndBeast]

kuribo, couple of questions.

-Why no vote?
-What's your read on us? You've talked about us, but it's difficult to lock down your exact thoughts.

[BirdAndBeast]

(Side-note, but AP and I are actually almost perfectly in synch right now. That's a very bad sign for later; it means we'll horrendously and terribly fall out of synch later. But for the time being, we're basically seeing the same things and thinking the same things and have the same reads. I'll let people post before we lay it out, though.)

[BirdAndBeast]

In the mean time, more questions.

Zdenek:

Why haven't you given thoughts on the other players, yet? Granted, yeah, only five pages, literally half of which is ours (we have nearly 50/100 posts), but there's still plenty of content from people that you can get reads off of.

[BirdAndBeast]

-still working on figuring you out, i don't trust either of you to be town. why do you think i'm sitting here talking to you? i'm trying to solidify a read

Fair point, 'cause honestly we're doing the same thing on our end. I figured a little hashing of things out would help solidify things.

[BirdAndBeast]

If it helps, though:
It's really. Reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeally. Pretty dang obvious that we're town. Like, http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go
^That BirdAndBeast was "we're so obvscum that it hurts, but maybe if we switch 'scum' with 'town', people will buy our BS".

This game is "we're seriously, legitimately, honestly obvtown, more than even Street Racers". (No mean feat. http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 7#p4556164 )

[BirdAndBeast]

Ignoring all posts untill im not board and decide to look at it.
Someone want to summerize everything or shall i check back in when i feel like it?

This is town.

[BirdAndBeast]

serene is scum. so is sven.

Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeehhhh...

(Agar is, though.)

[BirdAndBeast]

skimmed really quick
will read again in detail when i'm home.

Why nothing to say? Even skimming, there should be something to comment on.

[BirdAndBeast]

jesus christ look at who is trying to be protown

AGAR
SVEN
SERENE

Agar def is. (That's one of the main parts of our case.) I don't really see it from Sven, though. Serene's a maybe, but not really.

[BirdAndBeast]

SVEN

Actually, ran an iso. can see that.

[BirdAndBeast]

do you see him working with us?

Kinda?

He's definitely not working against you.

[BirdAndBeast]

serene was way too quick to give that town read IMO

We gave it equally quickly, though.

[BirdAndBeast]

I'm going to

vote Serene

now so that I feel compelled to explain why before bedtime.

This dude's town.

[BirdAndBeast]

I wasn't informed this day started
I'll post later.

Bad idea, Venmar.

[BirdAndBeast]

Sven's probtown anyway, though.

[BirdAndBeast]

I am trying to line up lynches here and you are not helping 1 bit!

I'm sheeping you on Agar. Can't help you much more than that.

[BirdAndBeast]

I WANT TO TALK TO THE SMART HEAD

Well, both heads are pretty much in unison right now, so we're probably either equally smart or equally dumb right now.

[BirdAndBeast]

I WANT TO TALK TO THE SMART HEAD

But, but...I enjoy talking to you mollie! I might not be as bright as AP, but I'm not a moron, either!

[BirdAndBeast]

i didn't say I'm reading them as town, i said i'm trying to figure them out

She's talking about your Sven townread.
In post five.

[BirdAndBeast]

the fact that you're actually taking that post as a serious town read makes me want to ask you if you still can't read me or if you're just scum

to punish you, i'm never ever voting sven for any reason

VOTE: Serene.

[BirdAndBeast]

VOTE: agar

<3
VOTE: Agar.

[BirdAndBeast]

you guyz are my hope

Uh-oh.

[BirdAndBeast]

(Butyeah, AGar's scum.)

[BirdAndBeast]

don't do that shit with me you know I will go crazy with it

It's not a question of your alignment.

It's a question in your choice of players to carry your legacy. (Typically, you want a player carrying your legacy to

live

. )

[BirdAndBeast]

On the

bright

side, at least only one of us is likely to die at a time, so one of us will get an extra day.

[BirdAndBeast]

they won't...stop...rolling...

This is going to be one of those games where even if we're completely and entirely wrong, we get nightkilled anyway for the sanity of the scumteam.

[BirdAndBeast]

2) I would prefer to deal with the Pirate Mollie head of the Infinite Jesters hydra.

do you know how ludicrous you sound I am like 1 of the most hated players

slightly on par with sven

Its not true, mollie ilu

Whens Reckoning IV so I can give you a back massage

[BirdAndBeast]

You did not watch enough Family Feud.

Heh. Goat seems fairly town to me? If hes scum then hes cheekier than Gammagooey which I would find deeply impressive. No idea if mastin's read a goat post yet.

[BirdAndBeast]

Agar's completely right (in his second post) whether he's scum or not. People need to be active contributors in this game if we want to get anywhere.

The fact that Jordan has done paramount to nothing yet the Agar train is still going tells me that Agar is probably town.

Lol yeah okay, whatever you say man.

This is quite possibly the towniest post ever written.

[BirdAndBeast]

We haven't coordinated over the last 12 hours or so, but I have a few bullet points to share.
1) Anyone not townreading Mollie is doing it wrong. REALLY wrong. She is transparently town.
2) Brian Skies is better than his entry post makes me think he is, so leaning scum on him from pure burden of proficiency.
3) Goat probably townslipped by posting because if he were scum, hed be more aware of the gamestate due to having daytalk in his QT
4) I realize we've been trolling, but really? We're pretty fucking town, ESPECIALLY since point 3 ^ makes Goat practically conftown, you're all welcome.

[BirdAndBeast]

Fake edit: Oh I forgot about something in that BS post that made me lean town on him, so I'll call him nul for now . But really, come on man.

[BirdAndBeast]

One of us finds you likely to be town, the other is waffling about lots of things.

[BirdAndBeast]

You guys think Im scum in 100% of games we're in together (except DGB actually read me right in StateFarm mafia I guess, but it was impossible not to, I was an honorary Paranoid Crying Child), so I'll just let you both think on that.
how did I discredit anything?. The Qt is literally mastin going "Serene is worrisome. Wait no Serene is townie. Wait no Serene is scum. Sven is scum isn't he!!", but Im interested in hearing how we discredited Sven.
Ika is a townread for both of us.

[BirdAndBeast]

Zdenek originall voted us for cryptic/policy/rvs reasons and is morphing that vote into a real one. That is some scummy shit. If we aren't quicklynching AGar, we should quicklynch Zdenek. Zd asking AGar to vote us and AGar refusing awkwardly is more reason to see them as scum together. ESPECIALLY since AGar SHOULD suspect us since he actually talked about how posting smoke is scummy in this game and then he wrote us off as town despite having beef with us posting smoke.

[BirdAndBeast]

AP how do feel about this post?

The fuck do you want me to say about it? Mastin is being a cheeky town butt, but hes right.

[BirdAndBeast]

So you want us to listen to Mastin's self-provided meta. LOLZ

I don't care? You can believe it or ignore it, I really REALLY don't care?

Nope. I voted you for a real reason right off the bat. That you decided to RVS someone who's not even here. That doesn't put pressure on anyone and it avoids conflict.

Right, because RVS votes are srs bzness, MY BAD. And I moved the vote to AGar before you even posted, so this smells an awful lot like Teen Spirit, much like the rest of your contributions.

[BirdAndBeast]

thats how you tonguesmiley mastin
thats how

Umm...that IS how I tonguesmiley, Jordan. In fact, I prefer it to be without the raz smiley. (I don't use razz or have a - line between.) It's just that I can't disable a specific smiley; the choice is all or none. (I guess I could do =P, but I've always thought that to not be me.)

For the record--stopped posting since I wanted to see what the mods did with Goat.
Since I know now, I'm going to take the stance that his posts won't exist until two days from now, meaning I won't respond to them until four days from now. Still, though, his misunderstanding of the rules makes him basically conftown, since I don't see scum making that mistake.

[BirdAndBeast]

do you know how ludicrous you sound I am like 1 of the most hated players

While I <3 every member of the hydra, there's no player in the hydra I <3 more than you, mollie.

<3

Mastin overanalyzes little things

When she bothers to analyze things at all, that is.

I'm not inclined to think BandB is scum at this point in time, but I wouldn't be against lynching them just to remove them from the game if they're going to spam the whole time.

Nah. I know there's a point where noise outweighing content becomes detrimental, and we were close to reaching it. We've had our fun, so we'll be getting more serious as the day progresses.

But dead serious. Don't care about the alignment of other players; AGar is scum. And I promise we'll give the case for why after everyone on the playerlist has had a chance to talk.

Use your hydra QT to organize thoughts pls.

While not actually needed (AP and I are posting the same things even when not synchronized!), we actually

are

. I mean, I'm not checking the hydra QT as I do catchup posting right here and now, but we've been largely in-synch the whole game. Everything from a Zdenek-is-worrying-me-read we both share (for the same reasons, too), to waffling on Serene and Sven and our reasons for defending mollie.

I have a hard enough time deciphering what's bullshit and what isn't as it is.

Not BS: our reads.
BS: the banter we have about our reads.

Butyeah, again, that's changing.

Right now I'm not sure if I'd rather see Serene2 or InfiiniteJesters flip. I'll be back in a moment with an answer to that.

InfiniteJesters is hilariously town. Serene, eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeh, we'll get back to you on that. If AP's gotten a strong read, I'll trust him on that, since me = waffle.

Actually I want to know why Jordan is voting Serene.
Like, the next post by ~Jordan better be explaining that vote.

Could

be scum, but is

probably

town.

im going to make this post specifically to connote an "FU" for MrZepher

This guy's still town, though.

Really not liking Sven.

[BirdAndBeast]

So, I think the right course of action here is to only vote for people on the opposite shift to make sure the people we are voting can't fight back?

Vote: Agar

Venmar's town.

VOTE: venmar

Really. Reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeally beginning to think that Sven's scum, with AGar.

Interesting. I'm starting to dislike the agar train to the point of suspicion.

Interesting, considering I'm strongly disliking the resistance to the AGar wagon, far past the point of suspicion.

Who's going to do most of the posting in your hydra? I actually don't mind the two of you flailing your hydra dissonance about (although, I doubt there will be much of it considering the two of you).

I'd say it's probably gonna end up about equal, depending on who's busy when. Overall, though, I've posted more than AP.

I think Brian Skies is wrong, but town.

[BirdAndBeast]

I am leaning that they are despite mastina's newfound love for trolling.

What can I say, it's addicting. Butyeah, as I said, less and less as game progresses.

Explain what forced posting you are reffering to from Agar.

All of it. (Again. I actually made a pretty dang good case in our QT. I'll share later.)

[BirdAndBeast]

We haven't coordinated over the last 12 hours or so, but I have a few bullet points to share.
1) Anyone not townreading Mollie is doing it wrong. REALLY wrong. She is transparently town.
3) Goat probably townslipped by posting because if he were scum, hed be more aware of the gamestate due to having daytalk in his QT
4) I realize we've been trolling, but really? We're pretty fucking town, ESPECIALLY since point 3 ^ makes Goat practically conftown, you're all welcome.

Stop stealing my points before I make them, AP.

(As I said. Who needs a QT when we're, well...us? )

General note about Sven: this rageposting, and the bad reads from it, are both basically exactly what I expect of his scumgame. (Also, if kuribo doesn't call his posting fakerage, kuribo's scum since, well...I'm not the expert at reading fakerage and even I could tell it was fakerage.)

VOTE: Serene2
^scum
will check back later

Strongly town.

(Oh, hey, totally missed that BROseidon was an innocent child.)

My read on Zdenek is also basically that he looks highly like scum at this point. I'm not feeling the townvibes from him, which I normally do.

Zdenek originall voted us for cryptic/policy/rvs reasons and is morphing that vote into a real one. That is some scummy shit. If we aren't quicklynching AGar, we should quicklynch Zdenek. Zd asking AGar to vote us and AGar refusing awkwardly is more reason to see them as scum together. ESPECIALLY since AGar SHOULD suspect us since he actually talked about how posting smoke is scummy in this game and then he wrote us off as town despite having beef with us posting smoke.

Also this.

Bluntly. The only. ONLY thing. That's got me concerned? Is that we've got scumreads on four players (AGar, Zdenek, Sven, and Serene, roughly in that strength for me, though Zdenek/Sven are fairly interchangeable and Serene I waffle on), and that's more scum than I'd expect to be in this shift.

So you want us to listen to Mastin's self-provided meta. LOLZ

That wasn't self-provided meta. That was me making a statement. "We're really. REALLY. Obviously town." And backing it up with examples of what that means.

[BirdAndBeast]

Someone for the love of god kill this with fire.
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Are you saying it wouldn't be funny in another game? Or it's worse to try and stop it here? Not following, Zed.

ESPECIALLY since AGar SHOULD suspect us since he actually talked about how posting smoke is scummy in this game and then he wrote us off as town despite having beef with us posting smoke.

Acting in an anti-town manner != scum

Also, Jordan vote is still the best vote as he continues to obstinately waste his entire first shift with "I don't have tiiiiime." but in the meantime continues making garbage fluff posting.

Yep. This is scum.

How exactly is the tune that he wants town to be listening to, scum-oriented?

Because while the words he says are good words, he's not exactly following them himself and what direction he DOES point them to looks highly, well...bad?

This would not be a positive thing at this point, so why do you want it and what do you think warranted it?

Both of us were noting Serene's, well, serenity, was concerning.

i know that it's important to pressure me but if that's all you're doing this shift it's not much

Seriously, this guy's hilariously town.

[BirdAndBeast]

and mastin was scum in that! he knows god damn well that the shitstorm in that game helped push him to victory

Nah. That was the heated debating. I've trolled, I've spammed, but I've kept it civil.

Hilariously. Town.

Hilariously wrongtown or scum. I respect kuribo enough to lean towards the latter.

[BirdAndBeast]

~Jordan'
^Townposting like a champ.

AGar
^Scumposting like a champ.

Brian Skies
^Screw AP, I'll dissonance this to town.

ika
^Obvtown.

infinte jesters
^Seriously, can't be more town.

MrZepher
^Could be scum, but is probably town.

Serene2
^Waffle. Waffles are delicious.

Svenskt Stal
^Strongly reading scum.

Venmar
^Decently strong town.

Zdenek
^Not feeling the townvibes, and feeling scumvibes. Not as strongly scum as Sven, but stronger scumread than Serene.

[BirdAndBeast]

And lemme guess at the others.
Aronis
^Don't have a guess.

Bry-fit
^Gonna guess scummy town.

FourteenPointFive
^Probably going to be town.

hiplop
^Same.

iamausername
^Could be either. Will be highly, highly annoyed, might even replace out. Will wait to see.

Logical Duality
^Eh, I'll wait to see; something tells me they're going to end up as scum, though. (Depends largely on Zdenek's banter, however.)

PeregrineV
^Could be scum.

The Goat
^Basically conftown.

xRECKONERx
^Will most definitely be highly, HIGHLY annoyed. He's the type of player, though, that if he destroys the scumteam will be town and if he doesn't will be scum.

zoraster
^Is probably going to be so annoyed he blacklists us. Alignment to be determined.

[BirdAndBeast]

You wanna go into more detail about why you think Jordan's town?

Sure, later. But it's really, really obvious. The tone. The mindset. The content that is there. The overall approach to the game. Relaxed, natural, and sharp. Like, posting looks like it doesn't have much, but there's good insight in there, good comments, good content. The noise outweighs the signal, but the signal that IS there is good, solid content.

Start posting like town or don't.

This is posting like town.

Can you remind me of a game where you said that I gave you town-vibes?

Every single game of yours in the last couple of years we've shared? (Okay, granted. One or both heads of us have been scum in almost every single game we've had with you. BUTSTILL.) Like, in Antihero, I totally got why you died with Quilford, because you were amazingly town. Not only with reads, but with reasoning, insight, positioning, and such. Obvtown, strong voice, dangerously-competent. Traits I've seen from you and AP has seen from you early and often.

Not seeing it this game.

How do you think he's not following them?

His posting, both the (lack of) content in it and the frequency of it. It's not just his scumspects and how terrible they are. It's not just his hypocrisy which there is plenty of. It's not just the IioA in his posting. It's not just the tone of his posts. It's all of them combined, and more. (As I said. Case was made already; I just need to post it. And will do so, after the next shift has spoken.)

So you think there's something they should have gotten angry about?

Quite possibly?

Infinte Jesters, could you say some words about why you think BandB is town?

We're town because we're town. Like...there's obvtown and then there's just...town. That player who you can't describe. Who you can't explain. But you

know

, just know, you have read correctly. You can throw in buzzwords to attempt to explain to others. Tone. Content. Mindset. Presence of whimsy. But none of them fully encapsulate the read.

That's the type of townread we are.

And I know this, because that's the type of townread

they

are.

[BirdAndBeast]

mastin, just can it, you already know how much I hate when people go on and on about how obvtown they are

Well, we are, so.

the more you say it, the less i trust you

How many times do we have to say it before your trust level reaches absolute zero?

This is the only post I'm going to make on the matter of BnB's case on me, because there's either some gross misrepresentations of me or gross misunderstandings of my general play.

(Still scum phrasing, by the way.)

So if you want to lynch me for that, go for it, but "not enough posting" isn't really a good scumtell.

True, but that wasn't the main point. The main point is in saying we need to be active while...not being very active. (More elaboration will come in the case.)

My singular suspect right now is Jordan.

And yet, basically everyone has posted, and posted content at that.

Because he's posting frequently enough to be on top of this game but instead dodging giving anything productive.

Except his posts are dripping with productivity. There's a ton of scumhunting in them, and not all of it even subtle.

But they're tunneling like a mofo, not relenting even against some significant flaws in their case being pointed out.

Oh, this isn't tunneling.

This is experience. (Admittedly. There are things that could be bias. They aren't all bias, though.)

That's a fairly strong towntell for me D1.

Yeahno. Maybe in 2010. Not nowadays.

(As an aside, assuming there's flaws in the case in spite of me not having presented it is another point against him.)

i only glanced through i will porb be doing a read dump in our second shift. but from what i have found i want to ask this to ager:
why burn my post with fire?

Because...Drum roll please....
YOU'RE WASTING YOUR ENTIRE FIRST SHIFT BY GOING "HURR DURR NOT GONNA READ NETIME SOON, DON'T CURR IF GAME MECHANICS SEVERELY PUNISH APATHETIC TOWNS. SUM1 TELL ME WUT 2 DO."
Also, please spell my name right. It's 4 letters. >_>

Also looks like scum.

[BirdAndBeast]

Zd asking AGar to vote us and AGar refusing awkwardly is more reason to see them as scum together.

Oh, that's weak and you should know it.

Eh, AP point is AP point, but while it's not strong, that doesn't mean not valid. I see it as being potentially relative rather than definitely-relative as AP apparently does, butyeah. Not something that is to be left uncommented on.

[BirdAndBeast]

and I really don't give two shits if people want me to stop bringing up Anything Goes- in that game, mastin played the town like fucking fiddles while claiming to be confirmed town, and AP's stupid ass dragged me through a forty page shouting match

Wow, I realize that Im getting blamed for some shit that I haven't posted potentially (again), but I had to log over to this account to respond to this.

Nope. What started the 40 pages of bullshit was you outing my role and YOURS by CCing it with shitty setup spec that turned out to be shitty. You then called me scummy for a myriad of surefire scumtells like me predicting Molla 3rd party (which he basically was). So no. Im not taking blame form you for that, thanks.

[BirdAndBeast]

don't forget, pidgeon, it was me that caught your monkey-ass out twice as scum TWICE


i'ma get your motherfuckin ass in this game too

And I'll make the same point I did in AG. You ALWAYS scum read me. This game makes 4/4 so woooo.

And wow. Just wow. You literally just blamed me for AG unprovoked (unless mastin said something you thought was me tgat caused you to say it but too lazy to check) which is why i was upset enough to shit post about it. I don't pretend i played PERFECT so wow and I'm fucking offended that you feel the need to smear me here.

In conclusion you are town, so let's just stop talking to each other this game.

[BirdAndBeast]

Argument for Jordan being town? That wasn't me, but I agree so I'll step in

Jordan doesn't feel like hes censoring himself or otherwise nervous this game. The "I realize I need to be pressured" comment is like "Ya I know Im lurking ok". Im not seeing manipulation, reaching, or anything that looks out of the ordinary? I dunno, Jordan feels like cheeky town to me. Its not great but the picture I see for Jordan town makes sense. Hes town for the same reason Venmar is, but too a lesser extent. While Jordan is likely town, Venmar IS town.

[BirdAndBeast]

and the rage over meta was pretty bizarre to see coming from a grown man

Actually its pretty par and a pretty ok reason to townread them.

I really don't want to look at Anything Goes Mafia cause it seems like a shit show, but are you saying that AP didn't scum read Kuribo for 40 pages?

Line of inquiry: vetoed. Seriously. Nothing relevant or helpful will come from this.

Kuribo, I'm sorry.

I know I troll more than I should, but teasing you over something you're clearly sensitive over and that I don't know much about at all is definitely crossing a line.

This post feels really town to me. I know I should back that up cause people are going to swoop in and go "lol no Jordan is scummy and his posts are scummy", but ya. This feels genuine and I think its a bit bold for scum to be so up front / honest. Serene is town though and the case on them does suck.

Ok so I'm wrong about what you said but your case is still bullshit

A bullshit case does not a scum make.

[BirdAndBeast]

Additional note, Im seeing Serene and Jordan as the same alignment. If one of them flipped scum, I'd be more inclined to lynch the other. I STRONGLY doubt Serene-town, Jordan-scum and mostly doubt Serene-scum, Jordan-town. Best guess is that the recent spat is town v town, although I guess I could see them being scum together. Jordan feels unnaturally calm through all of this and I have to imagine that means that he is either town or has a reason to not be overly concerned about Serene voting them (buddies). Serene is loosely tying us to Jordan (keyword loosely) which could be a setup for after Jordan flips maf, but eh. I lean town on both slots on their own, so for now I'm seeing this as TvT.

If serene is town, Jordan is very probtown imo I see both as town individually, although certainly not extremely strong reads.
Could be scum together, but doubting it.

[BirdAndBeast]

Ok. By "loosely" I mean you haven't made a case for us being scum together, your reads seem to be mostly independent. Post 376 counts as loose since there really isn't a connection case, just you sort of implying our interactions with Jordan have been scummy without saying why.

[BirdAndBeast]

mastin played the town like fucking fiddles while claiming to be confirmed town.

Actually, the claim to be confirmed town didn't come until at least day four, maybe day five, perhaps even day six. (Forget the game's exact timeline.) The thing I used to claim conftownness was that the scumteam wouldn't have both a gladiate and dayvig--with the dayvig happening on, what, D3? Something like that, that left the claim being at least a day later. I don't think I actually made the claim we were conftown until there were only five players alive.

you want me to start townreading you? stop fucking asking for it and act like god damn town

No need to ask. We are being (not acting) town. It's self-evident. It doesn't need to be asked for.

I think you're just getting played like a bitch.

Odd, that's my thought on people townreading AGar.

Okay since I'm obviously missing something with the AGar wagon would somebody kindly sum it up for me?

Basically? This is his scumplay, again. His posting is full of little things that when added up paint the very picture he says scum will have: a calculated, coordinated, organized take on the game.

(Speaking of which, this is one reason I actually sorta-suspect Logical Duality. In spite of them coming from the next shift. Them saying to the scumteam that they have the ability to be more coordinated and logical than the town fits scarily well with them. Oh, and as an aside, one head if I'm correct is always scum anyway. )

Butyeah. Top picks, this shift:
AGar, Zdenek, Sven. In that order.

[BirdAndBeast]

I don't need a reason. I've never needed one for anything I've ever done.

I didn't say you did? Its loosely concerning that you found my usage of the word "loosely" more worth responding to than me basically declaring intent to scumread you if Jordan flips scum, but meh.

@Zd: I feel like you are missing the forest for the trees to a degree here. Post 232 was eyebrow raising on its own accord, without 347 and I believe they were clearly from different heads.

[BirdAndBeast]

Shift 2 vote jordan so we can clear things up.

Im betting serene is scum regardless, jordan i could see being town but i rather clear it up then having this "well he could be scum" stupidity thing going on

So Serene is scum. Jordan is w/e. But you'd rather shift 2 just pile the votes on Jordan because LOLREASONS.

Come on Ika, I actually liked your play in Street Racers Mafia, I really dont know what you are doing here.

[BirdAndBeast]

VOTE: zdenek

VOTE: serene

Might actually be town.

This is verifiably false.

Screw it, full explanation: Zdenek, bluntly put, when I used to play with you, I didn't really notice you. At all. You blended in. I forgot previous games had you, in spite of knowing you were in them. This fact about you, I have said before. What I didn't say, though, is that eventually?

...Eventually.

I started paying attention. (Or maybe you changed. Probably a combination of both.)

And I became deeply.
Deeply.
Impressed.

Let me put it this way. You're not the top scumhunter in any specific regard. Not the best analyzer. Not the best scumhunter. Not the best at convincing others. Not the best at being obvtown. Not the best at leading, mediating, planning, whatever. You're not the best in anything...but I mean it when I say...you have the highest, best, balance of all of them combined. You might not be the best at anything, but you're in the high-tier (maybe even highest-tier) for basically everything. And that balance, that wide variety of skills. Makes you basically, to me, one of the top five town players on the site. (Scum, eh, haven't actually seen. But as town, heck yes.) No joke. No ego-boosting, no manipulation. I mean that.

So knowing that. Knowing that's what I'm expecting to see. Bluntly...I don't. I don't see the awesomeness. I don't see the immediate townness. I don't see the strong player I've been increasingly growing accustomed to having seen. I see...this. Which is, well...less. ("Soooooo, basically...burden of proficiency?"
...I guess, yeah. That doesn't seem like it's a proper explanation. Like it's an oversimplification, but I can't think of a better way to describe it.)

Mollie, given that mastin had full psychological profiles on every player in the other game and discussed how best to handle them BEFORE IT EVEN STARTED, yes, there's a strong likelihood she's tailoring her game like that

I actually don't really tailor my game. As a scum planner, I make the strategies, give tips to my scumbuddies, give advice, and basically let them loose from there. Including myself; I have the guidelines of my player analysis, but I never let it be a solid plan. My scumplay is more solid if it's fluid, not rigid.

Jordan, your ISO is just as bullshit as Agars because you spent forty fucking forevers trying to even justify your vote. Then you come off with some half ass bullshit.

Nah. Jordan's iso has BS in it, sure. So does ours. But it's town BS, compared to AGar's scum BS.

Remember, mastin told her scum buddies in Anything Goes that the best way to deal with me would be to piss me off bad enough that I replace out.

Uh, actually, I told my scumbuddies the best way to deal with you was to

nightkill

you. I mentioned that you going into rage-mode could cause you to get heated, and if you replaced out it'd be more beneficial to us, but that wasn't the plan specifically.

[BirdAndBeast]

YOU JUST GONNA LET YOUR BOY DIE FOR YOUR SINS?

Preferably not. I like to keep as many town players as possible alive, and Jordan's a star player among 'em.

Kuribo, I'm sorry.
I know I troll more than I should, but teasing you over something you're clearly sensitive over and that I don't know much about at all is definitely crossing a line.

This post feels really town to me. I know I should back that up cause people are going to swoop in and go "lol no Jordan is scummy and his posts are scummy", but ya. This feels genuine and I think its a bit bold for scum to be so up front / honest.

Pretty much this. Jordan is really, really obviously town. Jordan isn't scum; AGar is.

DID MASTIN JUST POST?

Yes. And you calling both Jordan and Serene2 sus like you did is, once again, not giving me warm fuzzy feelings about you.

As you can see from my question about whether Mastin has posted.

It's, uh, really pretty dang obvious? AP spamposts; I wallpost. I use a specific emoticon (:P), AP uses more variety. I use proper punctuation, spelling, and grammar and such; AP mostly does but doesn't do so consistently. I use a lot of "fluff" words like 'kinda', 'sorta', 'well', and so on and so forth; AP's speech is more streamlined.

I mean, if you couldn't tell who posted from pages 2-5 or so, that's fine since it actually was all the same head, trolling. (Me.) But after that, pretty dang obvious.

I'm waiting for our second shift, dont worry, you will see me do street racer play later. It takes time for me to get a good grove. During the other shift i plan on going back and isoing everyone and looking through the thread. Expect a huge dump post of notes and everything during out second shift. Day one is always the "meh" day. its after we get flips and the game gets it momentum going that i can pull street racer play. Right now i rather wait and let everything play out. It allows me to see whos being calculated and whos just being careless.

TLDR:

just wait, that play is coming later, it takes time for me to get there

This strategy is actually similar to my own, and is basically hilariously town.

[BirdAndBeast]

BRO why are you confirmed town and why is LD talking about a dichotomy between them and zor?

I'm conftown because the opening post says I am.

Not sure if townslip or Reck trying really hard to fake a townslip.

Mastin thought it was a townslip. I don't think its fake regardless, but its totally possible Reck is scum and also didn't read the opening post? Unless hes also reading the scum QT AND scum talked about it (why?) then I dont see why its a towntell. That said, I DID think him claiming confirmable role means hes probably town.

Bro: It's faked. Look at how many times, confBro has been discussed.

But Reckoner said he wsan't going to read anything from Shift 1? So wow? This is the hedgiest scumread ever.

VOTE: Logical Duality

sheeping BRO because he's town until I say otherwise

Really? You have posted nothing useful and what happens when scum keeps the damn shifts the same? Then what are you going to do?

VOTE: xRECKONERx

Unvote. Vote: Aronis.
I'm having a hard time believing 461 is genuine. I don't know if my vote's gonna do much here either but he's my top suspect from night shift.

Uhhh, what isn't genuine about it? I mean hes going after Reck for refusing to read Shift 1, which is meh. It could be scum, could be town. Dunno why that makes Aronis not-genuine and a good votepark..

I really don't understand why zoraster is obvious scum at this point.

This^. I had Zoraster as null-town after reading his posts, mastin agreed. I guess its possible for them to have something role-related on him (this setup is weird) but they soft claimed the shit out of it, so ya. I originally thought LD was obvious scum but am potentially willing to note vote them right now until this whole Zoraster thing is cleaned up.

Reads copy pasted from our QT:
Town: Jesters, 14.5, Goat, Brian Skies
Probably Town: Jordan, Hiplop, ika, Username, Venmar
Looks town?: Zepher, Zoraster
--
Scum: Dryfit, Agar, Titus
Hmmmmm: Zdenek, Serene

Meh: Reckoner, Aronis, PV, Sven

[BirdAndBeast]

zden pinged for me at the same time it did you. and for the same reasons.
I thought I was the only 1 who has noticed zden cos he goes largely unnoticed I don't think I could articulate things in the way that you did wrt his meta it simply for me that he as town has usually a good grasp on things even when he gets paranoid and I am missing it here. having said that he is truly indignant about how you are reading him.

I also noticed his indignance and it gave me pause, but I think it could come from scum.

not sure if it is scftwr or what.

you made a post about that dual creatures being scum and then they post horrifyingly scummy and that has kind of freaked me out. what is up with that.

That was mastina. It was a 100% joke. PArtly random partly cause Titus is always scum and mastin had figured that out already (LD being titus).

we are in lockstep with our reads and desp was all like "do you think mastina could predict the trend of where your reads would go as scum?" and I said I wasn't sure but I thought no well mebbe but no but he reads you as town so I think the question was devil's ad.

Mollie seriously do not get paranoid. My read on you is AG level of town right now, it wont be wavering. I wish we were more sure on Sven being town.

we think that kuribo's posts about ap is bs. it was bro who brought the hate on in anything goes. but now that I have thought about it it seems weird for him to lie about it. I lean scummy on serene but mebbe not the best lynch for today? I don't understand your townread on them.
this seems like titus's scumgame. I feel like agar would be the best lynch only cos people actually buy into his bs. and after the streak of town losses I have had to eat yeah I am worried.

Im leaning town on them, Mastin is worried about them. I dont think anything from AG that he has said is alignment indicative (the rage seemed lightly town to me, but is prolly null). Mastin and I were in lockstep in the QT over night shift and we both read 14.5 as town (with a sigh) and Titus as scumscumscum. So its not just you . Her soft claim on Zor is the only thing making me skeptical.

[BirdAndBeast]

how are you making a correlation between that dual creatures and zoraster and couching it with zoraster's post count?

We know you are scum Zoraster. You can persist in this foolishness and reveal how we know you are scum, or you can bus BnB. Their is a slim chance BnB is town, but you are not.

I mean basically LD is claiming a guilty on Zoraster, thats how dumb their vote on him is.

[BirdAndBeast]

LD and Dry-Fit should die.

Well, I reached the same conclusion. Agar, are you reading the Night shift more than this shift? Cause I think you've posted more opinions about them than you have about this group.

She is soft claiming lover with zoraster you dumb fuck

Dont go arround trashing people, sit the fuck down and behave. Your slot is fucking useless.

The fuck id your problem? They actually said "We know you are scum Zoraster. You can persist in this foolishness and reveal how we know you are scum" after he made 2 fucking posts, the content of which was
1) Im not really going to read the Day shift.
2) Why is BnB scum...posting a lot?
3) Connections are equally important between shifts, why bring it up, LD is scummy.
Like, the fuck am I missing here? LD has said jackshit about their Zoraster read other than "LOLOL WE KNOW YOU ARE SCUM WITH BNB ZORASTER" and we're town soooo? Either they have role-related reasons for thinking hes scum or its a dumb vote on somebody who made 2 fucking posts, mostly without content. The fuck is wrong with you Sven?

theres no way both pairs are town/town it would be too imba imo, i figure at least oen of the pairs have a scum.

I'm an idiot. Agar just dropped a mega town tell and I hard a brain fart with Venmar, I thought he was hinting at a cop result but we didn't have an actual night yet.

Actions can only be taken during your Shift, unless otherwise stated. This does not apply to factional actions.
Actions resolve immediately, unless otherwise stated.

I take it Im the only person in the game that ACTUALLY read all the modposts?

As a note, can we stop talking about Zoraster/LD as if they are lovers until one of them actually confirms it? Cause I didnt get the impression that they were claiming it and I dont want to waste time talking about shit that is going to turn out to be untrue. And if it turns out they ARENT lovers, and one of Zor/LD is scum, Im handing out Zero, Null, Zip, Zilch, Nada, 0, Cero townpoints to anyone who falsely assumed they were for "townslipping" so ya'll can stop posturing ASAP if that is whats going on here.

[BirdAndBeast]

Sven: Gee, I wonder if Ika is talking to you about LD meta because you are the only person in the thread defending LD right now? Just a thought.
Venmar: Obviously Serene was trolling, I dont get how anyone could miss that.

I'm an idiot. Agar just dropped a mega town tell

Uhhh, k. Id sure love to hear about this towntell that scum-agar dropped.

[BirdAndBeast]

Agar might be scum. I think he's going to be more careful about posting now that BandB put so much attention on him a1.
BandB are scum.
Dryfit is scum.

So Im bussing the everloving shit out of Agar. And also Dryfit now. So much so that agar is changing up his posting.

one of Serene/Bro is scum

BRO is actually confirmed town, why are people so fucking stupid in this game.

I don't really want to let this go but if BandB are scum then this vote is not good.

So why can't Jordan be scum if we are?

p-edit: NO YOU DUMB FUCK BROSEIDON IS CONFIRMED TOWN, SERENE IS CONFIRMED TROLL.

[BirdAndBeast]

Because they are bring trolls?? BBois literally mod confirmed town, he's us this game is so difficult.

OK since when do you scum read us and why were you voting Jordan in the first place? Was that j UT St based on us the whole time?

We're town. Why risk us flipping town when you don't know what our role is. Nice back pedaling on your reads.

@mollie: dunno what to say? Yes I agree about you agreeing about titus. Have a cookie.

[BirdAndBeast]

Broseidon* on phone.

[BirdAndBeast]

Well? You are asking why I'm ignoring you when you haven't asked me anything and made a post basically restating what I already stated. So? I really don't know what you wanted and found the inquiry pointed for no reason. Opinion on zephyr? He has to be town right?

[BirdAndBeast]

what is your argument for not voting dual things?

We both find Agar scummier. I dunno about mastin but I find dry-fit scummier than LD. LDs push on Zoraster was sort of baffling in a way that makes me not want to vote them yet. Clearly something is going on there that I dont understand, and its a little weird for them to make a huge BS wall on us just to switch to Zoraster for no reason. SO I want to see what is going on there before I commit.

Im not paranoid about you, just colossally annoyed that I apparently must respond to every single post you make, even if there is no reason to.

currently BandB gives the most information about player interaction and removes mastin from play.

Ok, what does me flipping town tell you about anyone? Jordan? Serene? Sven?

Basically your push on us looks really bad. Ok maybe you did go back and reread the previous interactions, but you SAID IN THE POST THAT YOU UNVOTED JORDAN that you NO LONGER THOUGHT WE WERE SCUM DEFENDING JORDAN. So were you or were you not voting him for that reason in the first place?? Why say it if you weren't?

I basically am reading you as scummy, but too blatantly so to be actual scum right now. Because your vote is really that bad and the reasons behind it don't add up, so you have also started throwing "lolmastin" and "ok well maybe Agar ISNT scum" around to validate you vote on us. Oh and "information" which our townflip will give pretty much none of because people will still suspect Jordan, people will still suspect LD, nothing will change. At all. Serene will still be a ???.

[BirdAndBeast]

I am sick and fucking tired of you getting all smug and calling me scum
YOU CANT FUCKING READ ME FOR SHIT

And I'll make the same point I did in AG. You ALWAYS scum read me. This game makes 4/4 so woooo.

And wow. Just wow.

[BirdAndBeast]

you were lying about ap's go at you in ag it was bro. I guess you didn't want to directly address the IC? ap did not do what you claim he did in the game that you first referenced (ag).

No, stop. 1) This isn't a good point. 2) Nothing good will come from this. We really need to stop referencing that game.

ppl talking abou them being lovers about us and are now bing stupid about it:

I HAVE OBVIOULSY STATED ITS NOT CONFIRMED AND SPECULATION AT BEST!

Yes, exactly. So please stop talking about it when you could talk about things that matter.

Spoiler: Agar post

Holy scumposting!

Paint as many people who have some sort of pressure on them as possible as scummy/suspicious? Check!
Post obvious and mentioned dualities? Check!
Completely try and "towntell" inorganically? Check!
Stall voting to see if the wagon gets more traction? Check!

...You town? I feel like we've been getting the same reactions to posts all of this shift. Blegh. I'll tell you what I want, what I really really want. I wanna lynch Dry-fit. I think one of you/Zepher is probably scum (I have ahard time seeing zepher call you out like he did if you are scum together yet still maintain a vote on me). But ugh I dunno. Zepher really does look like obvious scum and IDGI. Its like over the night shift he decided fuck it Im scum, Im proud, Im gonna post like it.

p-edit: Im just saying that you reacted to mollie the same way I reacted to you. Which means we're probably both town.

[BirdAndBeast]

I'm gonna try to alter my playstyle for this game to not be so lurktastic, so we'll see how that goes.

Announcing intent not to lurk? Err, ok? Its like "Hey guys Im going to be protown more than usual, is that ok?" and self-awareness and "don't find me scummy for meta, Im changing it INTENTIONALLY" all rolled into one. Dont see why he needs to declare this.

Ok I read through. I agree with the AGar suspicion. He looks like a player just trying really hard to say pro-town things.

My main suspect from day shift though is MrZepher

I dislike this transition. It reads awkward.

Sven seemed town from his posts on the first couple pages. Also don't think it's likely to have a scum lover in a white flag game but who knows.

This is a reallllly hedgy reason to townread Sven. We odnt know how many scum there are, what power town has, or anything at all, so wow.

So the most protown players is one of the people voting Jordan, who you're reading as town?

Protown =/= good reads? Is hiplop scummy to Dryfit? Really hedgy hiplop discredit here.

Go ahead and tell us why Zoraster is confscum. It raises my eyebrows that you expect everyone to sheep you onto Zoraster without you giving your reasons.

While I like the intent here, Im not seeing any reation to it that looks town motivated. This looks reactionary and void of any actual opinion on the matter. Which is especially egregious because he hasn't tallked about either Zoraster OR LD at all before.

I also generally dislike his suggestion that we lynch from night because it has an IC. I mean, no? That is a fallacy because there is no guarantee of equal distribution of scum on Day 1 (or ever). On the surface it looks like town logic, but I think its something else.. Even if it WERE true, its still a pretty minor difference to have one player confirmed. It think its someone trying to suggest something that looks pro-town and that shows they have no interest in survival (because they are suggesting they lynch from a pool with themself in it).

[BirdAndBeast]

You post fucking trash all day a1 and then turn around and flip a switch now?

...Hydra dissonance?
I was sort of serious about being more backend and unified in my first post, buuuuut that didn't happen and Im lightly annoyed, but fuck it. Too late to do that now.

I'm pointing out here that your alignment is more independent of jordan's than I originally thought.

But you never originally thought anything? You never commented on Jordan except to call him useless and that agar is prolly town. You CERTAINLY never commented on our connection with Jordan. all you did was call us town all A1.

I see all this questioning of my vote when in my opinion I haven't done or said anything inconsistent. It just looks like you're trying to discredit my points by calling me scum.

Uh, yes you have. You never called us scum A1, rather iimplied and flatout said you thought we were town at parts. Then suddenly you are like saing out of the blue that your Jordan vote was tied to us defending our scum buddy (despite not scumreading us in A1). Thats pretty fucking inconsistent. Then you somehow decide that we AREN'T doing that anymore (despite never thinking we were scum in the first placE) and unvote Jordan over it. Thats pretty fucking inconsistent. Then you vote us and start shotgunning reasons out about why we are a good vote despite calling us town and implying we are town all of A1. Thats pretty consistent with the night shift liking us for scum and you deciding we are an easy mislynch.

[BirdAndBeast]

Sort of both. Your question reminded me that I hadn't actually talked about Dry-fit at all which was bad since he pinged me harder than anyone in the thread out the gates.
Hoping for mastin to post in the QT, but I have a preliminary guess at the scumteam. Gonna wait for mastin to talk to me first. Thinking probably 6 scum.

[BirdAndBeast]

Venmar: What are your reads on: Serene, Dry-fit, Zepher, hiplop? (not random )
Zdenek: What is your current stance on us? No hiding behind "But mastin's stance on me makes no sense!", tia. Also why are you voting Zoraster exactly? Nothing is going to happen there until at LEAST next shift?
Zepher: Read on Venmar and hiplop?

[BirdAndBeast]

Why did you have to break our heart? We came here to the hospital get treated for our love addiction and we fell in love with scum...

Basically Sven and ika read this and stated ejaculating conspiracy theories all over the thread about it being a lover soft claim, although it seems more likely that LD has some sort of role related thing on Zoraster:

Zoraster - Confscum...

[BirdAndBeast]

Well, ok, Im bleh. I wrote a few walls in the QT and mastin just posted to say she will get to this later.

Basiclally (and I realize this is a major shift in previous started opinions) I think the scumteam is Zdenek, Serene, Venmar, Zoraster, Hiplop, Dry-fit.

Dry-fit is just scum, plain and simple. Everything he posts is a facade, just trying to look town. Hiplop is scummy because of Dry-fit. I dislike the little quip Dry took at hiplop and never followed up on. Hiplop also distances from Dry by disagreeing loudly about Zeph-scum/BnB-town by stating the opposite. Zoraster is probably scum unless LD is scum/trolling/insane, so leaning scum there purely because of the LD soft.

On OUR shift, Zeph is town because hes not scum with Dry-fit/Hiplop. Also the blatant inconsistencies and defensiveness over them is actually town. Brian and jesters are blatantly town. Jordan is town for the same reason as them, but is a lesser read. Sven is town because Dry-fit wouldn't offhandedly call a buddy town for the lover claim. Agar is a little wildcard and Im meh about him still.

Im looking at Serene, Zdenek, Venmar though. All 3 of them have loosely distanced from the others in silly ways without actually pressuring each other significantly.

Serene/Venmar: Venmar acts like Serene is serious about their BRO CC? Uhhh, Venmar isnt that dumb. Serene votes Venmar for unexplained reasons then immediately takes it back to revote Jordan. Venmar makes wayyy too big of a commotion over them FoSing/CCing an IC and doesnt give 2 shits about Zepher speccing on the same BS.
Serene/Zdenek: Zdenek points out that there are only 2 public heads on the Serene hydra, although its sense come out there are 3. His vote on Zor is a busvote, plain and simple. He makes a case on serene over an inconsistency that obviously came from 2 different heads and serene later calls him dumb over it although doesnt mention his name. When I pointed out the issue with his case he just goes "lol hydras" and drops it immediately instead of pursuing the standalone part at all.
Zdenek/Venmar: Venmar is seriously asking Zdenek about his Zoraster vote, when he apparently already saw the LD posts in question? And Zdenek had the least to do with the lover speculation so why Venny is asking him about itis mind boggling. Since Venny already read the LD posts and decided they were just being dramatic, IDK why he sees Zdenek sheeping them to be particularly interesting or worth investigating.

Tl;DR: Mastin hasn't commented yet, but I think scumteam is Dry-fit (flatout scum), Hiplop (distancing from Dry), Zoraster (LD guilty), Zdenek, Serene, Venmar* (these are mostly PoE + interactions that look like distancing without real follow up on each other) I put an asterisk by Venmar cause I could maybe see Agar being scum still, but am currently theorizing that serene was WKing him at the beginning.

[BirdAndBeast]

Wow. I was answering Venmar's question. About LD and Zoraster. Fucking obviously I had already figured this out.

[BirdAndBeast]

I am not saying that I am in love with her play but dont vote LD

Woah ok so Sven/Jesters/Zoraster/LD are all one big lover blob.

this post was super weird cos dry-fit is saying that he doesn't think he has ever seen town jordan which means he has only seen scum jordan and yet he thinks jordan is acting the same in this game as when he was scum and somehow...dry-fit doesn't see anything wrong with this? lol

Venmar literally did the exact same thing about MrZepher and LoL mafia.

this does not read as a cop guilty to me. why would they investigate zoraster anyways when there is a plethora of people that dual creatures cannot interact with I mean wouldn't that be the better choice?

Maybe they had to choose someone on their shift? I wouldn't at all be surprised to see mechanics like that.

[BirdAndBeast]

this does not read like a cop guilty to me. Why would they investigate n0 when cops usually dont

BECAUSE AS I QUOTED BEFORE:

Actions can only be taken during your Shift, unless otherwise stated. This does not apply to factional actions.
Actions resolve immediately, unless otherwise stated.

DOES ANYBODY ACTUALLY READ, THE ACTUAL FUCK.

[BirdAndBeast]

Im leaning town on them, Mastin is worried about them. I dont think anything from AG that he has said is alignment indicative (the rage seemed lightly town to me, but is prolly null). Mastin and I were in lockstep in the QT over night shift and we both read 14.5 as town (with a sigh) and Titus as scumscumscum. So its not just you . Her soft claim on Zor is the only thing making me skeptical.

Why haven't you responded to me on the reasoning for why our Serene read changed?

Cause you asked before the game went to night shift? How about pointing me to it then instead of making a pointed remark cause clearly Im avoiding your piercing inquiries due to being scum or some shit.

Mastin has thought they were scum for almost the whole game. I've been waffling. I thought their pressure on Jordan looked genuine but misguided and took that as a town sign. I thought Kuribo raging was town although I've sense decided that was pretty null sense he probably would rage about that regardless.

I currently think they are scummy for a few reasons, mostly connections with other players and Im back to thinking they are just pushing bad mislynches.

Sven seems pretty town. MAstin has forsaken me, so VOTE: Zoraster
in the interest of whatever LD is about to do.

[BirdAndBeast]

~Jordan'- fuck this guy, when I declare a 1v1 and you people won't lynch either of us, it pisses me off

FWIW, if nothing interesting happens on the night shift I'd be fine with lynching you.

i'm having a hard time getting a read on mollie

Mollie is absurdly town this game. Her energy, her motivation, her trolling, her general excitement , her scumhunting attempts, its all ridiculously town. Like wow.

Zdenek- believed the "soft guilty" or whatever the fuck it was a little too readily, might be trying to secure a sweet mislynch

, Your sentence started out ok, but everything after the comma looks like assigning scum motivation to something unnecessarily.

[BirdAndBeast]

:/, well we are allowed to have one scum alive at the end of the game so he gets to be an honorary townie then \o/.
Sven is being pretty aggro to be scum, IMO. Possible but hes usually just derp as scum.

[BirdAndBeast]

I don't like the zoraster vote tho

Ok, give me your top 3 votes? I mean I am really having a hard time seeing LD as scum after looking over their posts again. Them being a hydra ha a little to do with it, they just look seamless in where their attention is and their flop onto Zoraster is a pretty hard sell for scum, even Titus, but ESPECIALLY because they are a hydra. I tend to believe they do have reason to suspect Zoraster (although I acknowledge its possible they are scum/dumb and just throwing shit around to see what sticks, but that seems unlikely). I sort of want to vote someone from night shift since my reads are generally better as a neutral observer anyhow and my reads on this shift are mostly PoE+Interaction based.

[BirdAndBeast]

The point isn't Mastin's read on me makes no sense - it's Mastin lied about how reads me.

Oh please. A lie case? Thats some shit Zdenek, some scummy Thor666 scumplay shit. Mastin would definitely never lie about anything provable EVER even if we were scum.

Dry-fit did not think about the setup. he called Sven town for being a lover in a white flag mechanic. If he had actually speculated on the setup at all yor point would be valid, but he just went from A to c without stopping at B. Seriously? His push on Hiplop had zero follow up and zero personal opinion/analysis with it. He pointed out an inconsistency that really wasn't even that so its reaching and scummy case pushing in the same stride.

re Zoraster vote: Awesome, Im voting Zoraster as well! To be fair, I -did- call it a bus vote. The only difference is that Im town so Im just voting scum Zoraster rather than bussing.

[BirdAndBeast]

Are you trying to say Mastin didn't lie? I mean it's pretty clear if you go back and look at past games.

Yes? Im certainly not going to waste my time looking up past games when I have a town PM and I trust that mastin would not lie about meta regardless of anything.

[BirdAndBeast]

I'd provide references and/or numbers to show that calling yourself town is not a scumtell by any stretch or reach, but I can't be bothered. Scumtells are overrated. Searching our ISO for "We're town" and asserting again that you don't like it is an excuse for a post. Also, you misread us for this in AG mafia as well! Except this time your case feels like its from scum.

[BirdAndBeast]

Mollie, I'm pretty sure Serene is just scum. All these point you bring up. All the things they do are pretty shallow when you actually squint at them for more than a little bit. On the surface it looks like Serene, but Im really not feeling the passion. And the confirmation bias + rage really looks meh in places. I think its a facade.

[BirdAndBeast]

Actually lack of rage in some places is making my eyebrows raise more than the rage itself that is present. Regardless, you wanted me to move off Zoraster. Gimme 3 suggestions.

Yes, hi. That hydra is pretty much just a mollie alt atm.

[BirdAndBeast]

I'm thinking you're scum going for towncred with your lover claim.

Nice job trying to discredit a claimed lover of all things.

[BirdAndBeast]

Here is an example of me soft claiming: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 8#p5394738

P-edit: I was quoting one of your heads from earlier who said basically exactly that. It made just as little sense when it was said back then.

[BirdAndBeast]

I'm pretty baffled that Serene (dont give a shit which head this is, they were all in AG mafia) is actually voting mollie for outing her lover status...which she did in AG .... and was town.

[BirdAndBeast]

Yes and Mollie got flak in Ag for claiming lovers with Skelda. And she got NKd on night 1. I dont see why you expect her to suddenly NOT do anti-town claims just because.

[BirdAndBeast]

Did get highly-appropriate role, but no, not scum. Changed 'cuz I felt like it. Worked well in Gundam and wanted to try again--this game was first to start after that desire.

^ Mastin doing the exact same flavor soft claim as she did here. I'll quote mastin meta cause I have it and that was mastin that called our role appropriate.
P-edit: Why does it matter? Mollie still claimed lover, got shot, and had 2 deaths as a result. The only difference is that the scumteam had to shoot mollie instead of either of the 2, but it didn't matter?

[BirdAndBeast]

Nacho? Dude, Serene is just scum. They are shoving Jordan which is probably exactly what I would be doing if I wanted to mislynch a townie without getting my hands dirty. Kuribo feels off this game. Like it feels like hes making an attempt to be town, but there are just some thing missing from the picture that make me not believe it. They have sketchy posts, Kuribo's reads summary on the night shift was wishywashy and the QQ about them not posting a lot was pretty fake. Just wow. And now they want to lynch Mollie for being anti-town and claiming lover which is literally exactly what she has done before, and then they move the goalposts into "Well it was UNREQUISITED" when she did it last time!!!1!11one!11.

I mean really.

[BirdAndBeast]

Post 749.....................................
gratz, you just pointed out that anti-town things happen. Why the fuck did Espeonage derphammer Dan and then instaclaim Cop on D2? You read him as town correctly then IIRC, I dont see how you are misreading Mollie so hard over anti-town play when you are capable of being reasonable. This is especially egregious given that Mollie has a known history of doing exactly this which all of your heads should know.

[BirdAndBeast]

@Zepher. Its a null tell. The fact that People give a shit about it is baffling. Your point that is could be a scumtell...but we know its a scumtell...but uh, mm. No its just null. There is nothing interesting about it. Kuribo misreading us over it is either scum trying to look town (by asserting that he usually believes this bullshit scumtell) or town misreading us over this bullshit scumtell.

There is really nothing interesting going on here. At all. Mollie was Flying Beauties.

[BirdAndBeast]

You know if he's town then you just handed the scum a free double kill???

This is LITERALLY something mollie did in AG. She claimed that she was Skelda's lover. And scum killed mollie. for a double kill. What is so difficult to understand about this, jesus. And like I already pointed out, you correctlyread Espeonage as town in Fate mafia despite him derphammering Dan and instaclaiming Cop on D2, so I know you aren't just a bad player.

VOTE: Serene2.

[BirdAndBeast]

uh
ya like
if you guys think long days are protown when we can just lynch confirmed scum, then you are delusional.

Vote: zoraster

.

\Might be hammer, dont care.

Also screw you Titus. I called your guilty. I quoted the rules to support it. I was 100% right about it. And apparently Im scum for being actually good enlough to recognize obvious soft claims in the thread. Screw off. I ghope you got spoilers so you can feel really dumb already.

[BirdAndBeast]

mislynch

plz

[BirdAndBeast]

Ladies

.

Gentlemen

. It's been a pleasure working with you, and especially

Titus

,

who I have never seen a more brilliant series of posts and strategy

.

Without further ado, I will now full claim.

I am

Jim Harrington, the Armchair Psychologist Whose Wildly Inaccurate Diagnoses of His Acquaintances are Thinly-Veiled Projections of His Own Mental Issues. (Cross-Shift Parity Cop)

I am a X-shot Cross-Shift Parity Cop. This means I can pick one player in each Shift, and learn whether they are of same or different alignments. I cannot pick myself or dead players as targets. I'm not outing what X is, but you guys can probably guess what it is.

It is implied in our role PM that there is another cop out there. I thought BnB were crumbing cop in their softclaim, because "not random" is "order", and who keeps order in towns? Cops. This is why I was townreading them in my 683 and 752, and asked for examples of their softclaims in 718. However, they did not attempt to reach back in any way,

which shows that they do not know that there might be a 2nd cop out there

. More likely,

they're mafia who's crumbing cop in preparation for fakeclaim in the later game.

How do I know this? Because,

I know now for sure that Titus's role PM implied the existence of 2nd cop, because of her brilliant crumbing in the posts leading up to her full claim.

Please sit back and observe Titus's finest hour:

Post 462 is Titus's confirming her guilty result on Zoraster. It is signed ~Titus. This is when she begins her series of 2nd cop crumb in preparation for her full claim.

Next ~Titus Post is post 467. It ends with the words "last will".

Next ~Titus Post is post 471. The letters that start the sentences are A and S.

Next ~Titus Post is post 482. The letters that start the sentences are D and B. (ignoring the numerous I's)

Next ~Titus Post is post 810. This is her Cop claim, presumably where the crumb ends.

Putting everything together, it spells out:

"Last will as DouBle Cop"

;

Titus was aware that there might be another cop running out there.

The role PM also implied that our results may be reversed. My guess is that if we were Sane, Titus was Insane, and vice-versa.

To verify our sanity and hers, we investigated Zoraster,

Titus's target

, and BirdAndBeast, who's

now very likely to be scum

due to their cop fakecrumb, and got "

different

." This is

fanastic because even with unconfirmed sanities

:

If Titus's sanity is Insane and we're Sane, this means Zora is town and BnB is scum.

If Titus's sanity is Sane and we're Insane, this means Zora is scum and BnB is scum.

I do not know whether Zora is scum or town; he could fall either way.

Either way, we are

"guaranteed" that BnB is scum

; may buddha have mercy on their souls.

VOTE: BirdAndBeast

Are you guys even pretending to be town any more?

[BirdAndBeast]

Hello. Been ignoring AP, so reads out of synch. Know Titus's claim and Serene's claim, but other than that, nothing. (AP did a buncha posting in the QT which I haven't been paying much attention to.) I do apologize. I'll get my own reads up, now, from things. If I still conclude AGar's scum by the end, I'll retrieve the case I promised on A.1.

3) Agar appears to have done something that I felt pressured to do on occasion at MS. Basically, those rom other, more casual sites can wander in here and get chewed the hell up because they're used to fluff posting. So they start OVERanalyzing everything.
Unless, of course, he was FEIGNING the need to overanalyze. This requires further analysis.

It's feigning overanalysis.

I don't think that what you've had to say about Agar is convincing.

Because most of the convincing stuff is in the QT.

The read may be outdated, though. If not, the reasonings will be, but I'm sure they'd still hold validity.

(Yes, this is where I am. Thus the need for a catch-up. Okay?)

Sounds to similar to your read on Sven from Anything Goes.

One of these days.

ONE. OF. THESE. DAYS.

People will stop comparing things to that game. Best scum game I played, yes, but a previous game that didn't even earn me a scummie.

I have briefly caught things from random sections of the game, Dry-fit's overall-scummy entrance and 14.5's hilariously-wrong-but-still-town entrance among them.

I'm gonna try to alter my playstyle for this game to not be so lurktastic, so we'll see how that goes.

I did hold a conspiracy theory that all stated efforts like this were coming from scum, but never followed through on it. ('Specially since it was partially reliant on Titus being scum, when she wasn't.)

BnB spent way too much time jumping up and down going "hey guyz look how town we are! We are so town! Oh by the way we have a town role PM in our inbox! Have I mentioned that we are town lately?"

Yep, and each time served a purpose.

Almost every post is about telling everyone that they are town rather than just being town, and that's the difference.

Well, we are just plain town, and I weaponized it.

Some players bought into the shtick so obviously it worked.

Said players being the ones who actually have recent experience playing with me.

The most recent posts that draw my ire, is BnB trying to butter up Zednek (in #394 specifically) going, "oh Zed I think you're an excellent player, and I can read you, trust us baby we're town" you know, that sort of thing.

Umm...but that post was saying the exact

opposite

, that Zed IS an excellent player...but that I

wasn't

getting townvibes from him.

He participated in thread, he accumulated a fair amount of posts, but a majority of those posts were to push off any sort of participation, or content, or anything for a later time.

Except there's a ton of content below the obvious layer from Jordan. His posting did stuff, productive stuff, and I don't know what to tell you if you can't see it, because it's plain as day to me.

His post on how to handle things is spot on and lmost predicted BnB's behavio.

Or I could have acted the way I did specifically because it went against what AGar said.

~Jordan' (4) -

AGar

, MrZepher, Brian Skies, Serene2
Bird and Beast (4) -

Zdenek

, FourteenPointFive, The Goat, Logical Duality

Names of interest.

114 Oh good, just go ahead, just not post your full case by just waiting for other people to make it. Nice move.

(By the way, you two have no right to complain about me doing that, since you basically did the exact same thing with holding off on your reveal. My reasons were the same as yours: to gather additional info.)

225 #3 is bullshit. We all know it is. Pushing hard for that conf. Town point makes me read this as scummy, I just know both players are better than to write that off as "conf town."

Except it is. The scum undoubtedly discussed the mechanic for the game. Violating the mechanic,

which risks getting the player modkilled

, is not a tactic scum would intentionally employ. It was a townslip. A very, very massive townslip. Because scum players would know not to post outside their shift.

288 This post has no point, there is NO point about guessing the other shift off of NOTHING given this is RNG chose setup. Well I have a feeling I know why but I'm not 100%sure.

The reason why is because it's just something I do.

That, or mastin’s intentionally imitating her play in House Party to throw me off here by using a thing that made me gut-scumread town-her to make me gut-townread scum-her.

Or, y'know, the thing you gut-scumread me for was actually something you shoulda been gut-townreading me for.

Holy shit BanjoKazooie is worse than Frat BROs. This is true beauty, right here.

Helpful reading hint: From post 35 until post 145 is all me. Literally, all of it. 161 is AP's first post since 21. I had a field day with trolling. After that, AP posts are AP posts and Mastin posts are Mastin posts; the two are kinda obvious. (I didn't post at all during A.3, if memory serves, soyeah. Basically first 15 or so pages.)

For reference see Gundam seed. ScumAgar is more reserved.

And AGar's play here is...

...Oh, yeah. Reserved. You use Gundamn to defend him, Gundamn was one of the main bits in my case against him.

In other news, Aronis might actually be scum.

How about BaB's soft claim?

Uh...the thing about me softclaiming is that it's me, softclaiming. I kinda take steps to make sure I DON'T give anything away about said softclaim. (And, yes, it was me softclaiming, not AP.) Like, anyone guessing at what I softclaimed is likely to get it wrong unless they know how my brain operates in which case it's only highly probable for them to get it wrong.

I doubt Aronis is the only one who checked my email account slip.

Oh, I knew you were Titus, but I knew from the signup thread. My posting there was basically barely holding back the, "You guys are seriously moronic, if you can't figure out that a hydra called LOGICAL. Duality. Has one head be Titus." (I gave AP the full list of reasoning I knew it was you, butyeah.)

[BirdAndBeast]

I don't really know what to make of this Zoraster/LD stuff but I'll look over it during day shift.

I don't think my vote is doing much work on Zephyr so

Unvote. Vote: Aronis.

I'm having a hard time believing 461 is genuine. I don't know if my vote's gonna do much here either but he's my top suspect from night shift.

Really think this is scum, btw.

Granted, Aronis looks like scum, too, so if there's scum in there, that'd be a weird play, to bus like that, so one of them's probably town, but both aren't.

I thought I was the only 1 who has noticed zden cos he goes largely unnoticed I don't think I could articulate things in the way that you did wrt his meta it simply for me that he as town has usually a good grasp on things even when he gets paranoid and I am missing it here.

Well, yeah, my respect for Zdenek's competency as town has increased quite a bit ever since I noticed him. A way to describe it is that he's a greater PV. PV went unnoticed to me for the longest time, too, but once I started paying attention, I realized he was actually a fairly competent player. Bogged down by lurking, and low-key, but still competent. Zdenek, not having those issues, is again a bit like a more strong overall version of PV.

you made a post about that dual creatures being scum and then they post horrifyingly scummy and that has kind of freaked me out. what is up with that.

Well, it was a decent prediction, all things considered, knowing LD was Titus and her modus operandi as scum.

desp was all like "do you think mastina could predict the trend of where your reads would go as scum?"

If I actually bothered to try, yes, I probably could. Thing is, town or scum, doesn't really matter; I don't really bother with making my reads match the reads of others. I make my reads my own. As scum, they serve my scum agenda, sure, yeah. But that's basically the only real difference.

how are you making a correlation between that dual creatures and zoraster and couching it with zoraster's post count? I don't even understand this.

I do. It's wrong, but I understand where they get the impression off of zoraster's posting.

Like.... wtf, i'm still confused, how can you

counter

-claim an innocent child? What the fuck does that even mean.. ugh.

Night shift seemed pretty uneventful, likely because it was a weekend shift, so it's not overly surprising it was full of derp. Aronis and LD win the world awards for "Derpiest Voters", like those votes are fucking

hilarious

. I like imausername for town, and maybe Zoraster as leaning town, other than that i'd have to do more than a skim on the night goers.

Contrary to the theme the night goers gave off, which is that the night shift isn't likely to read what the other shift did and vice versa, isn't that good considering both shifts need votes from the other to reach a majority on somekind of a lynch. Overlap needs to happen somewhere, so at least skim shit from other shifts.

AGar remains the best lynch by the way.

I'm not going to read Venmar. But if I was, this post (looking really really bad) would make me scumread him.

Sven's posting I also marked as being bad, but I can see town in it, too. I liked ika's posting, though. 506 looks like scumposting from AGar.

I take it Im the only person in the game that ACTUALLY read all the modposts?

(This is one of the main reasons I wanted to hydra, btw, because I didn't understand the mechanic and figured my partner would. As it later turned out, I read it and got a better understanding of it, but I did miss BROseidon's ICness, soyeah, I still didn't read all of the mods' opening posts.)

Oh, and on the lovers, there are elements in Titus's posting that do vaguely support it having been possible, even though we know it's not, soyeah, it wasn't an impossible conclusion, just not the conclusion making the most sense.

Zephr continues to be probtown.

lets iron out some reads

I'll be ironing out reads with you and AP when I get caught up. Assuming they're different, I'll do what I can to bridge the gap.

[BirdAndBeast]

Holy scumposting! Paint as many people who have some sort of pressure on them as possible as scummy/suspicious? Check! Post obvious and mentioned dualities? Check! Completely try and "towntell" inorganically? Check! Stall voting to see if the wagon gets more traction? Check!
Aaaand in #537, Zepher decides to give himself MORE wiggle room.
===
Stal, you seriously don't see Dry-Fit scum? Dear god that's pretty awful.

Still looks like scumposting, by the way.

And Zed still looks like scum, too.

Why Dry-fit over LD? I am guessing you have a really strong reason for that.

Part of the reason for scumreading AGar is distancing with Dry-fit while never actually voting him, and also not voting zoraster, instead aiming for the claimed cop.

Sort of both. Your question reminded me that I hadn't actually talked about Dry-fit at all which was bad since he pinged me harder than anyone in the thread out the gates.
Hoping for mastin to post in the QT, but I have a preliminary guess at the scumteam. Gonna wait for mastin to talk to me first. Thinking probably 6 scum.

Largely this. Like, my thoughts have been kinda out there and not too hard to follow, so it should be fairly obvious the direction I'm going, but I do fully realize I haven't actually explained much and that I need to get caught up first.

[quote="In post 597, BirdAndBeast"I wrote a few walls in the QT and mastin just posted to say she will get to this later.[/quote] Technically, I said I'd blaze later, butyeah. Later is finally now.

Basiclally (and I realize this is a major shift in previous started opinions) I think the scumteam is Zdenek, Serene, Venmar, Zoraster, Hiplop, Dry-fit.

Removing Serene from here, obv. Zed's still there. Dry's also there. But I think AGar's still scum. The other two (Venmar and hiplop) are meh. The game's not going to be won by scumhunting so much as by townhunting and POE.

On OUR shift, Zeph is town because hes not scum with Dry-fit/Hiplop. Also the blatant inconsistencies and defensiveness over them is actually town. Brian and jesters are blatantly town. Jordan is town for the same reason as them, but is a lesser read.

My reasoning's different, but essentially this. Sven's my meh-read, though, with a lean towards town.

[BirdAndBeast]

In fact, let's do that. A full readslist. Disclaimer, that this is page 24 only (aside from knowing Serene's claim) and that it's not done with consulting AP.

~Jordan'
^Strong townread.

AGar
^Strong scumread.

Brian Skies
^Decent townread.

ika
^Fairly strong townread.

infinte jesters
^Close as you can get to true conftown.

MrZepher
^Probably town, though not definitely.

Serene2
^Town.

Svenskt Stal
^Likely town, though I'm not sure.

Venmar
^Meh.

Zdenek
^Not feeling the townvibes, so minor scumread.

Aronis
^Minor scumread.

Dry-fit
^Decently-strong scumread.

FourteenPointFive
^Townread.

hiplop
^Meh.

iamausername
^Townish.

PeregrineV
^Absent, so null. (But probably town, anyway.)

The Goat
^Town.

xRECKONERx
^Almost certainly town.

zoraster
^Confscum.


I'm too lazy to reorder the list into strength, but you get the idea.

[BirdAndBeast]

Here is were you underlings calls me scummy for whiteknighting/buddying with titus.

Nah. Your posting on this page is fairly strong. (Increasing townread.)

Are you trying to say Mastin didn't lie?

Yep, I'm most certainly not lying. Like...I never lie. Ever. It goes against my beliefs, and isn't very effective. I exaggerate, sure, yeah, that's my job as a writer. But never lie. I meant every word. Including how the lack of townvibes is making me seriously eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeh about you, and your push on us looks, well, bad.

anyone that's played with me for five fucking seconds knows i HATE when people call themselves town repeatedly

At this point, I'm doing it mainly just to tick you off.

I think birdbeast is being antitown, but I have

reasons

to believe that he's town if I'm reading this correctly.

Why, yes. Yes, we are.

I am a wild card who eats paranoia flakes at 2am.

So am I. (Which is one of the reasons I actually probably could predict you, but again, I don't think I'd bother trying.)

BandB say something town, quick!

Something town, quick!

(Sorry. It'd have just been 'something town' if I was around to post at the time.)

Frankly, I think that Mastin stole this way of reading me from other people because she thinks that it sounds good.

While I do borrow aspects of my play from other players (for instance, I am often very good at temporarily taking on the tone and mannerisms of specific players), I never steal their methods. I'm the one inventing the methods to be stolen.

Zepher, you'd be best served picking one stance and sticking to it rather than jumping back and forth between whatever seems to get you to slide in the general flow of things at that given time. Like, you're scummy as shit right now. As scummy as Dry-Fit and LD.

AGar continues to look like scum.

I've got ten pages left, but should probably take a break to eat a snack.

[BirdAndBeast]

Dear morons,

We aren't extending the Day when we have a flipped cop with a claimed guilty.
We aren't extending the Day because we have an IC.
I don't give a shit that the conftown wants the hammer on the confscum.
We aren't lynching anyone other than the claimed guilty result.
Serene is either scum or dumb and I don't think they are dumb.
The role they are claiming is also op as fuck since it investigates 2 people every Day. I would not ever put that in a game, ever.

Much love,
AP

P.S.: Mastin's reads are ok.

[BirdAndBeast]

And you thought all of those random I's we're just filler to throw people off? No motherfucker, they were roman numerals standing for the number of times I made love to a prostitute in the hot sun, which double confirms the cop crumb to me because said prostitute was eventually arrested by a cop which is why we stopped making love

This lol.

Also THERE ARE NO INSANE COPS. THE MODS POST IN THE LARGE THERE Q EXPLICITLY SAYS NO BASTARD ELEMENTS. GOD.

IDK Sven maybe serene is trying to mislynch me over fucking BULLSHIT claims and spec whilst discrediting tituss guilty by talking about insane cops which are confirmed not in this game. Ffs

[BirdAndBeast]

And maybe serene is a cop that actually questions his sanity and actualy thought that titus left crumbs.

Until someone brings me the scum motivation of this fucking play on a fucking silver plater I refuse to view serene as scummy

I just DID.
Titus is a flipped cop with a goddamn claimed guilty on Zoraster.
Serene is doing there best to get me lynched by claiming some horse shit that does not even remotely make me scum and talking about things that are NOT in the game (insane cops) as a way of discrediting Titus's extremely obvious GUILTY RESULT on CONFIRMED SCUM zoraster.

And the stu[id part is they are going to get away with it. If I get lynched they go "oh lol well Zora WAS scum after all" and he still dies.
If Zoraster gets lynched today, they claim one-shot only tomorrow and coast on whatever towncred you magpies throw at them today.

[BirdAndBeast]

Nothing of this is correct.

Actually most of it is provably correct.

The part Im specc'ing on is the plausible scum motivation you are fishing for and new refuse to consider because you somehow expect that scum can be CONFIRMED just by specc'ing on scum motivation or some shit.

Can we please not have Game phases that last over 50 pages when we dont have to? Please? We are going to lynch zoraster Today. There is zero reason to waffle back and forth forever about all these meaningless Serene posts.

[BirdAndBeast]

new

now*

[BirdAndBeast]

I mean for FUCKS sake, if the crux of your essay-argument revolves around maybe there is INSANE COPS in a game confirmed to NOT HAVE THEM its time to just stop.

Just stop and lynch Zoraster instead of talking about all this horse shit.

Serene could be town. Mastin thinks they are. Mastin is a magpie though.

P-edit: WHY? EVERYONE WILL BE HERE TOMORROW. BRO WILL BE HERE TOMORROW. THEY WILL ALL BE HERE TOMORROW. CAN WE STOP SvenskstStalling for not fucking reason? THERE IS A CONFIRMED GUILTY AND A FLIPPED COP. LYNCH IT, MY GOD.

[BirdAndBeast]

What is heavby about it? zoraster is getting lynched Today. All the "what-ifs" about MAYBE titus didnt actually investigate him are all a huge colossal waste of time when we could just flip Zoraster which is GOING TO HAPPEN REGARDLESS.

The spec about insane cops is either god-awful or just flatout scum-motivated. We can figure that out after we proceed with the only course of action today, which is a Zoraster lynch. If Zoraster flips town, I blacklist Titus. The end.

[BirdAndBeast]

You think Jordan is scum? IDK, maybe but Im not seeing it.
I think Brian, 14.5, You, ika, Goat are mastin/my best townreads.
P-edit: Whatever. It literally doesnt matter. Everyone will still be here tomorrow. I dont see why we have to get even more bullshit reactions to this heaping pile of crap that talks about insane cops and is just meant to spread mist around the thread. Night shift will not have any interesting revelations and nothing they say will change the only resuolution for the Day. Nothing happens at night time. At all. Its a "commercial break". I see literally no reason not to move on with the game by going to the next phase.

[BirdAndBeast]

I mean for FUCKS sake, if the crux of your essay-argument revolves around maybe there is INSANE COPS in a game confirmed to NOT HAVE THEM its time to just stop.

WELL WE KNOW WHAT

WE

GOT

Awesome, good job! Zoraster is still confirmed scum unless Titus is really so terrible at this game that she faked a guilty as a cop before dying.
And Im now confirmed town to you, given what Ive just said and your result.

[BirdAndBeast]

Well Im "the opposite of Zoraster" and Titus is a confirmed cop with a claimed guilty on Zoraster. So that makes me conftown unless Titus is engaging in blacklist worthy behavior.

[BirdAndBeast]

Is it possible your game has any of the following: cults, mid-game alignment changes,

moderator lies that cannot be reasonably anticipated (for example, Godfather, Tailor, Miller, Ninja, and mechanics like that are generally fine

. Telling someone they are a reflexive doctor when they're actually a PGO is not), secret win conditions, un-divulged non-randomness in player role/alignment generation, direct moderator influence during the game? [Yes/No] No

[BirdAndBeast]

If the mods told the cops that their sanity was questionable, then guess the moderator's lie could be reasonably anticipated.

See this is why I want to end the Day. Because we are what-if'ing about fucking BULLSHIT when
1) THERE ARE NO INSANE COPS IN THIS GAME
2) THERE ARE NO INSANE COPS IN THIS GAME
3) THERE ARE NO INSANE COPS IN THIS GAME
4) THERE ARE NO INSANE COPS IN THIS GAME
5) I WILL BLACKLIST TITUS IF ZORASTER IS TOWN
6) SHE FLIPPED COP. IF SHES ACTUALLY INSANE THATS FUCKING BASTARD AND STUPID AND WHY THAT QUESTION IS IN THE THEME SIGNUP.

[BirdAndBeast]

Because nothing that is being discussed is useful. Its all meaningless fuckall until Zoraster flips. so can we please flip zoraster instead of actually spamming every large theme game to 100 pages on D1?

[BirdAndBeast]

No, the day lost all meaning the instant post 910 was made.

[BirdAndBeast]

Ika: IDK man, would you NK the CLAIMED COP or a lover pair if you were scum? I sure hope the answer is the CLAIMED COP.

[BirdAndBeast]

@BNB: no my answer would of been kill the lover pair at fist shot if they are town/town. you see where im going with this?

No, your blind insistence that killing a lover pair over a COP is good scumplay is both wrong and bizarre.

The cop is PROVABLY the correct shot.

[BirdAndBeast]

-Because they might get mislynched.
-They aresshootable at any time and are pretty likely to not have any role related information that will be protown that they accumlate
-Because if the game is at an even number of players, killing an extra person is ultimately meaningless and doesnt cost town a lynch
-Because someone with a PR might claim at some point during the day
-The scumteam doesn't Prematurely Assassinate except Zoraster and hes on his way out the door.

[BirdAndBeast]

Like basically, there is no reason for scum to shoot them NOW when they can be shot at any Day phase for the same effect. So yes your point isnt very good. Also Jesters is RIDICULOUSLY town and Sven is being annoying but I think hes town.

[BirdAndBeast]

Ok, you are just wrong though. A good scum player isn't going to shoot lovers on D1 of a large theme just because they are lovers. Its really really bad logic and Im not gonna argue it.

Shooting players who have good reads and/or are PRs is the correct play 9/10 times. Lovers can be shot at end of game for the same 2 for 1. 1 less townie in the see of townies is meaningless.

I dont want to ask anyone questions, I want someone to hammer Zoraster.

[BirdAndBeast]

Actually wait, I think Zoraster got hammered by Jesters or Venmar.

[BirdAndBeast]

Wait no its L - 1 damn it.

[BirdAndBeast]

Productive chatter right now would focus on things like the Serene claim

If BnB, Serene and IJ could just cut the useless bickering about AG or the possible meanings of Serene's claim

So is the serene claim useless or worth discussing

Also I HAVE been saying the exact thing you are:

We aren't extending the Day when we have a flipped cop with a claimed guilty.
We aren't extending the Day because we have an IC.
I don't give a shit that the conftown wants the hammer on the confscum.
We aren't lynching anyone other than the claimed guilty result.

and if you really believe:

(wait for a Zor flip, then we know how Serene's result impacts the gamestate and it can be DISCUSSED, not spam-fested about)

Why did you unvote Zoraster. IDGI. This post is like TOO much cognitive dissonance to be scum..if thats possible.

[BirdAndBeast]

Did you seriously just claim Lyncher for our slot?

[BirdAndBeast]

Same shifts. Well thats not extremely unexpected in hindsight, although annoying.

Thegoat continues to be town by giving Zoraster the chance to hammer himself and not realizing that could happen. Also lol at Zoraster's last post.

Haven't talked to mastin at all, but she seems uninterested in lynching Serene whereas they'd probably be my preferred lynch Today for the heinous crimes of (Lunacy, Faking a guilty on us, Claiming 3rd party in a half serious way, Trying to lynch Jordan for some reason)

I'm paranoid as hell about Brian although probably shouldnt be. Ika too. Im basically paranoid about everyone on our shift except Jesters.

Ugh, mirror mirror on the wall. Who's the scummiest fuck of them all.

VOTE: Dry-fit.

Since I still feel good about that one I think. Turned on us for "our reaction to Serene being bad". Lol excuse me? I was calling their claim meaningless all Day and I was right. Take a long walk off a short gallows.

[BirdAndBeast]

I guess if I had to guess about the meaning of the shifts staying the same...well obv it makes sense to put me and Serene on the same shift regardless of our alignments. Its plausible there are more scum on night shift than Day? Cause I sort of feel like we'd default to lynchingon Day today since we are the active shift and sorta going at each other. Night shift is more coasting. So ya totally good with Dryfit vote for now. I think we're null on PV/Aronis, more nulltown on Pv, nullscum on Aronis. Reckoner is still probstown for softclaim. Goat is town.

Dry-fit. Prob scum.
Hiplop. Need to reevaluate, but leaning scummy. Mastin disagrees I think.
Aronis. Meh scum.
---
Username Meh-town
PV meh-town?
--
Reckoner probtown
Goat Probtown
14.5 Townread, though unsure
BRO town

[BirdAndBeast]

his response to Serene's lyncher claim was bad.

Im taking zero of this shit today cause Im already halfway pissed off from Titus thinking we were retarded and fell for her "reap" when I actually fucking guessed what was going on correctly and cited rules and tried to cut through bullshit to back it up.

So ya, anyone saying my reaction to having yet another shit claim from Serene be bad can justify that or Im tunneling you until you die. Dryfit can justify why me not giving a shit about their fakeclaim is bad when I was right to.

[BirdAndBeast]

"reap" = "trap"

[BirdAndBeast]

and his "paranoia" of Brian, and everyone else seems unwaranted and generally seems shady and most likely not that legitimate

Wow, you literally just said the same thing three times. How are you fluffing so hard on this. Either you believe me or you don't. Im actually town and actually mentioned these things in the QT because its true... and anyone who has played with me before knows that paranoia is the name of my game. So ya you can try and tell me that this time it looks fake, but thats a weak-ass case and some bullshit excuse for a read on me.

Im actually 100% ok with lynching Venmar today, hes scum.

[BirdAndBeast]

And that attempt at a town slip was just A+ play from you there

I don't believe your "WHY U SO SAME SHIFT" crap when the rules plainly state that they stay the same for 8 shifts

@Mods: When do shifts change. That is during commercial breaks, right? So there COULD have been a shift change but WASNT over the last one?

[BirdAndBeast]

Oh huh, apparently I was wrong about that. I looked at the rules and it does say shift last 8. for some reason I assumed they changed every episode.

[BirdAndBeast]

Right ok so the case on me from you is:
I faked a townslip. Which Im not even trying to argue makes me town in the first place. And was actually a legitimate not knowing the rules. Much like you bozos forgetting that actions happen during your shift when trying to ague against titus's sofrclaim.

so ya, tell me more about how Im faking towntells. And how you are sure its that as opposed to me simply not remembering the rules.

[BirdAndBeast]

Ya you sort of do, cause Ive got an innocent child correctly reading me this game. And asserting that something null is scummy of me is some scummy posting from you. And considring you actually faked a guilty on me Yesterday, I dont see how anyone can/should take you seriously. You are either scum or ridiculously failing at playing to a town wincon.

P-edit: ya ok whatever. You can interpret my actions as you please sense its pretty obvious you dont actually care. Somehow people are convinced you are town and/or worth keeping around though so I get to deal with that. And I get to deal with being called scummy by titus for being right. and called scummy by Venmar/Dry-fit for my reaction to you...despite that reaction being that Im skeptical about everything you do (correctly) because you are known/claimed bullshitters.

And I get to deal with you calling me scummy and like actively claiming that you arent even going to bother caring about my alignment. So fuck me I guess.

[BirdAndBeast]

Ya, the difference is that Im not trying to lynch you. Nor am I quoting things you do that look like town signs and saying they are preplanned despite there being no evidence to support that theory. So I dont have to defend my case on you because Im trying to lynch people who arent you right now. You DO have to justify your crap, specifically the bit about how Im DEFINITELY faking towntells despite there being no reason to believe that I am town and genuinely forgot the rules : )

[BirdAndBeast]

Errr no reason to not believe*
Double negatives op.

[BirdAndBeast]

And you can whine about us being "known bullshitters" but guess fucking what? Both your heads are too. Another null arguement

Are you even paying attention or just trying to refute things line by line sans context? Cause it really looks like the latter.

I am talking about fucking VENMAR and DRYFIT calling me scummy for my REACTION to your claim. My reaction was:
Cop claim - Call it meaningless and ask that we lynch Zoraster.
Lyncher claim - Ask if you were serious, but otherwise not care.

Thats it. Me being a bullshitter or not is COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT to my point that my reaction to YOUR CLAIMS was 100% fine.

[BirdAndBeast]

The word fine reads as you objectively thinking you acted town, why didnt you use sincere or truthfull.

Because shut up. They really mean the same thing in this context.

[BirdAndBeast]

1) I definitely have considered this? In fact my complaints

you calling me scummy and like actively claiming that you arent even going to bother caring about my alignment.

definitely show that.
2) I've obviously considered this.

Are you guys even pretending to be town any more?

3) I definitely did at least consider this in passing:

Did you seriously just claim Lyncher for our slot?

IDK how you can say I never considered any of these things because I never flatout stated "I think Serene is a lyncher" etc. I mean. Ya I have considered all of these possibilities.

[BirdAndBeast]

Thats fine, but its still a null tell. Either I am town and forgot the rules and Im scum and faking it. Im not going to argue that forgetting the rules makes me town because I legitimately dont care. You have no reason to believe that this is one scenario over the other here, so you explicitly calling me scummy for that is bad.

[BirdAndBeast]

rules

and

Im scum

or**

[BirdAndBeast]

I'm pretty sure their actual case on us is:
1) Mastin soft claimed our flavor. Answer: not a scumtell. Also mastin did this in House Party where she was town.
2) We called ourselves town a lot. Answer: Most of the time it was in response to something. This isnt a tell. Kuribo reminds everyone that he dislikes it because I think he knows deep-down its not a tell and is justifying it to himself regardless.
3) We defended Jordan. Answer: Ok. Jordan is unflipped and townies defend people all the time, so ok. Unless there was something specific here.
4) I fake townslipped. AnsweR: Null tell. It could be real or fake, so this is irrelevant as a point.

[BirdAndBeast]

The

suspicion

paranoia of Brian is weird too

I still have him as probtown, just paranoid. Im not remotely entertaining a Brian vote right now.

5) also attacked Agar pointlessly,

Uh ok? I mean I guess. IMO you attacked Jordan pointlessly. Is Venmars Agar attack not important at all?

6) assigned reads for half the game before they posted,

Ya well thats mastin for you, cant really say much here.

7) spammed endlessly,

Not a scumtell, and also wow hypocristy

8) defended Jordan for shitty reasons

What? Him being unafraid to go toe-to-to with you is a good reason. Hell, you townread me for it in Goonies mafia. Although you were wrong there ,but point stands. Most people arent as insane as me. Also he jsut feels like hes not censoring himself. Its a good a read as any.

9) pushed a shitty case on me

What was shitty about it? PErsonally I find your fake guilty on us pretty shitty.

10) pretty obviously trying to set yourself up as the town leader

Not a scumtell. I do that in pretty much every game ever and mastin does as well.

My main problems with your slot is that your reads are so fucking wierd. Your second towniest player from night shift is described as "towny, but i could be wrong" or something like that. And to me you are creating doubt on people that are clearing themselfs, like Brian. You are not calling him scum but you are imo subtly planting seeds. You also think that The goat is town, which is amazing in itself.

Well? Im being 100% honest about my paranoia. I could maybe try to point out things Brian said yesterday that made me uneasy, but its not my aim to discredit him or cast doubt. Im literally just saying how I feel because that is how I play the game.

Who's vote was this referring to?

Titus's vote on Zoraster. I was saying that their tunnel on us + transition onto lolol Zora scum was either dumb or a guilty. I then later decided on it just being a guilty and was right! And Titus then comes on to assume Im a retard and that I couldnt have figured that out on my own so I must be scum. Fuck that.

[BirdAndBeast]

maybe a buddy.

I've been thinking the same recently. Sort of not feeling Town Venmar at all this game. Certainly not Xenosaga or Hidden Legends Venmar.

[BirdAndBeast]

This is AP right? Why is this a thing between us?

Its mostly just a me thing. But your recent posts are making me feel warm and fuzzy inside again. DGB could tell you all about Statefarm Mafia

What happened to the Agar read you and Mollie were so proud of Episode 1?

Agar isn't really a townread. I just see shinier things like Venmar not looking town, Zdenek being questionable (and mastin actually agreeing with me there) and Serene.

What is your case on dry-fit right now? Please summarize why I should vote for dry-fit.

Its in my ISO, I know somebody went through and called my case shit/construed at one point. Im sure I have more up-to-date things to say now, but I realllllly need to do RL things today and not play this game ugh.

-IDK man he just feels self-aware in his posts. And I realize that is super vague.
-He thinks my reaction to Serene's claim was bad. Uh? Ya he needs to justify that.
-Didn't like a lot of the angles he went after (like his post on Hiplop A2).
-Actually now that I think about it, Zora flip may make him look less bad but I need to read back.
-Is Jordan still in this game or what?
-Ok Im not even talking about Dry-fit anymore.

[BirdAndBeast]

Why?

IDK, keeping Serene on the same shift as me/jordan makes a ton of sense. Not moving people around sort of limits information that can be gathered from moving people. It could also limit PRs who have to act on the same shift.

This is really an unbelievable reason to town read someone.

Meh. Goat is town for many reasons.

You say "super vague" about your feel, yet yesterday you used said "He is just scum" or something like that, seeming very sure of your read.

Yes, I mean that the CASE I just wrote for you was "super vague". I still think hes scum, I just havent really gotten to explaining why recently.

Regarding the bolded parts, I dont get how they add up. First you say that town can missread you and its no biggie, later you say that your problem with him is that he missread you?

Except he put "problem" in quotes, so I dont see how this is inconsistent? He clearly said that he DOESNt have any issues with us outside of that and clearly said that is a minor issue at most.

If I pretend to be mastin, will Agar fall for it and spill what hes waiting on mastin for?

[BirdAndBeast]

Yes Ika, Im sure everyone else in this shift is being fountains of amazing content and Im the one being a troll.

My townread on Ika is pretty much done gone.

@Agar: oops, I meant Zepher. Zepher asked about mastin specifically.

[BirdAndBeast]

Glad to know you dont want to coperate with me and do a simple activity that i asked fo you.

Yes, because its pointless? I feel like Ive been pretty transparent with where I stand on people and I dont want to just make an arbitrary color coding for no point.

What made my read go away is the creeping paranoia about you that Ive had. You are playing different than you did in Street Racers in a way that is shitty. And your vote one me for (policy??) is like actually ridiculous considering the shit other peeple have been passing as content (Serene).

Jesus, you want everyone to color names in null/scum/town. Just..why? Such an unnecessary request at this point of the game. I want to lynch Dry-fit, Im voting Dry-fit, suck it.

[BirdAndBeast]

Yes asking for a full reads list from everyone with no provided explanations, very activity much wow.
So your vote is part of the 1% of things you do that have no intent? Cause I mean why shouldnt I care about it.
I disliked your Sven/Jesters push yesterday. A lot.
I've actually talked about why I dislike Dry-fit though, and as much as Id love to spend effort restating my case and refining it, I realllly just cant right now.

[BirdAndBeast]

And Titus's reads were god-awful and they should feel ashamed at that "reaction test"

[BirdAndBeast]

She spent 90% of her time talking about how my reaction to the claim was from scum.
Her case on me is that I realized that they had a guilty on Zoraster. Therefore Im scum because as town I would be too stupid to piece that together.
I am town. I did piece together that they had a guilty on Zoraster. Someone then asked me why they'd investigate Zora and not -us- and I CORRECTLY speculated that they probably had to investigate on the same shift because of setup spec. And I was RIGHT. I was right about their role, I was right about the limitation, I was right. And Ive said most of this before, so I guess you aren't reading? And of COURSE Im going to think Titus's reads are shit when 90% of her reads list was talking about how Im scum for being right about something. Because apparently I cant possibly be smart,Im just a moron who fell for their trap, fuck me. Oh and they dont care that Zdenek also thought they had a guilty. So yes I cant be bothered to talk about Titus's reads with any amount of seriousness.

[BirdAndBeast]

so you are only concered about your read, not anyone elses on that matter? so you found it out and you were right, means nothing to me.

all you have done is shout "im town, im town" and then go on to have pissing contests with people. if you are just going to ignore discussion althougher (no matter how shitty it is) then i would consider you a liability if you are town.

I havent ignored discussion, and that accusation is baseless.
We have provided tons of content, its just a little buried >.>
Yes, OBVIOUSLY I DONT HAVE ANY RESPECT FOR TITU'S APPROACH TO THE GAME BECAUSE I KNOW SHE WAS AGGRESSIVELY WRONG ABOUT ME, WHAT IS SO DIFFICULT TO GRASP THERE.