Graveyard Shift Mafia - ROLL CREDITS

[Infinite Jesters]

hi guyz

whats going on

[Infinite Jesters]

so the night shift can't post yeah?

which means I can talk a bunch of shit about reck, bro and perv and they say anything

win!!\o/!

[Infinite Jesters]

*can't say anything

[Infinite Jesters]

sven are you town

are you really really town

if so

come on come on

[Infinite Jesters]

VOTE: serene

[Infinite Jesters]

it took you that long to confer on your scumboard

[Infinite Jesters]

talking shit

reck said something about killing roaches in the pet thread.

truth about reck:

when we were going outside reck asked brock to move the roach out of the way cos he was barefooted. NOT STEP ON IT.

conclusion: reck is loveable

bro:

I cannot say a negative thing about bro! his reads can be awsum and I look to him to follow a lead. DON'T DISAPPOINT ME.

conclusion: conftown with a shelf life like I hate I cannot interact with him. but it will/can be beautiful.

PERV:

why can't I figure this guy out

conclusion: discuss.

@ mods: can we only vote the people on our shift or is it global?

[Infinite Jesters]

@ mod: also what does B8 mean?

[Infinite Jesters]

so how long do we have bro around cos he is in the night shift and I want to leave him a juicy trail that will hopefully result in a list of his reads

[Infinite Jesters]

big bird is that you???

[Infinite Jesters]

mebbe some1 can correct me but I thought shitposting was crabbing about shitposting and not taking stances or in any other way getting active in the game.

oh. except your goofy vote on zden.

wat was your problem with mastina's post again?

[Infinite Jesters]

baaaahh

VOTE: agar

[Infinite Jesters]

AGAR IS IGNORING ME

[Infinite Jesters]

FEEL FREE TO VIG SERENE ANYBODY

[Infinite Jesters]

SERENE, AGAR, SVEN ARE SCUM IN OUR GROUP GOGOGOGO

[Infinite Jesters]

THAT WAS ME

[Infinite Jesters]

SERENE IS IGNORING ME TOO!

[Infinite Jesters]

was that the game where mastina/katsuki was scum and I wanted to lynch them

I think bird things are town

[Infinite Jesters]

vote agar, ika!

bird people need a little more time but serene is scum. so is sven.

whoops

[Infinite Jesters]

Ignoring all posts untill im not board and decide to look at it.
Someone want to summerize everything or shall i check back in when i feel like it?

This is town.

if you are scum I canNOT promise that I will NOT do grievous bodily harm to either of you

I am sticking with my reads

[Infinite Jesters]

serene is scum. so is sven.

Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeehhhh...

(Agar is, though.)

jesus christ look at who is trying to be protown

AGAR
SVEN
SERENE

[Infinite Jesters]

we are lovers with sven

do you see him working with us?

serene was way too quick to give that town read IMO

[Infinite Jesters]

sfhjshfowehrixheirh

I am trying to line up lynches here and you are not helping 1 bit!

[Infinite Jesters]

I WANT TO TALK TO THE SMART HEAD

[Infinite Jesters]

VOTE: serene

[Infinite Jesters]

I WANT TO TALK TO THE SMART HEAD

But, but...I enjoy talking to you mollie! I might not be as bright as AP, but I'm not a moron, either!

stop negging on mastina!

you guyz are my hope

[Infinite Jesters]

the fact that you're actually taking that post as a serious town read makes me want to ask you if you still can't read me or if you're just scum



to punish you, i'm never ever voting sven for any reason

good then!

will you help us lynch agar

who is scum btw

[Infinite Jesters]

VOTE: agar

[Infinite Jesters]

don't do that shit with me you know I will go crazy with it

[Infinite Jesters]

2) I would prefer to deal with the Pirate Mollie head of the Infinite Jesters hydra.

do you know how ludicrous you sound I am like 1 of the most hated players

slightly on par with sven

[Infinite Jesters]

~love notes from mollie~

dear brian,

we already have 1 condescending full of himself douche
to deal with in this game plz don't be like zephir who i am
convinced is a zekrom alt. I outed us as lovers with sven so
dummies like you would not have to waste their time
worrying about us. <---this is protown not agar's whatever
it is you call it. oh right, SCUM POASTING!
let scum worry their pretty little heads about us, we are a
negative utility it is always best to get that shit out in the
open first thing. <--- why am I having to explain this to
you it is like you haven't played mafia before.
also are you srsly saying my posting looks "forced" with
a straight face whilst ignoring agar? jesus christ he looks
positively constipated.
if you are town plz do better.

~love, mollie


dear sven,

you said something that I liked but now I forgot what
it was. still think you are scum. also venny is town.

~love, mollie

dear goat boy,

plz don't get distracted by shiny jordan. lets run away
together. I will totally ditch nacho and desp for you.

~love, mollie

every1 goat person totally got me to make a serious post last year I used proper spelling, capitalization and punctuation and everything!!! its true!!!

dear serene,

kuribo y u so boring, that is why
I think you are scum.

~ love, mollie

p.s. - I have ALWAYS read you correctly

[Infinite Jesters]

eta: well except for that 1 time

[Infinite Jesters]

that an annoying misspell


Mollie, why are you not being serious?

Isnt it enough that we have B&B

, I dont understand what you are doing.

Why did you out us?

wrt bold: makes me think you don't really think that bird people are actually scum and are just voting them for the hell of it.

I outed us cos it is the protown thing to do did I not already say this to brian.

[Infinite Jesters]

@ sven

and that is a pretty terrible position to take. those are both strong players and a huge boon to town if they are town. I am leaning that they are despite mastina's newfound love for trolling. if not it will be evident soon cos no way will they be able to hide from desp, nacho and I forever.

it is always protown to out negative utility roles so that it doesn't bite us in the ass later in the game.

you are being positively useless if town and seem to be butthurt about being outed. what do you think about serene's instatownread on you? like you haven't mentioned it at all and I find that weird.

[Infinite Jesters]

How are we a negative utility role?

I dont really care to be outed, I just dont think it was the right mov,I certainly dont understand it.

Why are you calling me useless? What would you like me to do? How can I be more productive? What am I doing wrong?

lovers are always a negative utility role IMO.

I think you are useless cos you are voting some1 who I don't think you think is really scum.

you never answered me about serene.

and agar is the poster child for forced posting why is he your top townread

[Infinite Jesters]

Actually I want to know why Jordan is voting Serene.

Like, the next post by ~Jordan better be explaining that vote.

No one should have to explain why they're voting us, LOL.

qft

[Infinite Jesters]

There are so many here I am never playing a fucking game with, mollie, mastin have made the list allready, thats quite the achievement.

I think there should be a scummy award for butthurt

[Infinite Jesters]

brian I think you shld misrep moar!

I never said we were strong players in fact I would say we are downright terrible.

and I am 57 I never thought that I would have skinny legs or a flat ass. what is this world coming to.

agar is scumzorz and sven is being weird cos he is not addressing 1 point not at all.

I am still waiting for answers to my questions rather than stupid posturing.

people voting bird people should feel absolutely horrible.

[Infinite Jesters]

mollie,

You are not answering my questions.

sven,

you are scum and I just know it.

I will answer yours if you answer mine.

altho I don't even remember what the questions were other than you bitching about bird people or what you are doing wrong.

[Infinite Jesters]

1. I thought you loved being town. since you brag about being town a lot. :/
2. I have.

3. bird people are town I think and you are not even trying to sort them out. sorry you are not on the same team.

cos that is how it adds up.

[Infinite Jesters]

you motherfuckers wanna follow them over a cliff, by all means do it but don't say I didn't fucking tell you so


and i'm especially ESPECIALLY disappointed in mollie who ought to fucking know better

so do you think that they are molding their game around us?

since before we outed as lovers with sven?

[Infinite Jesters]

don't forget, pidgeon, it was me that caught your monkey-ass out twice as scum TWICE


i'ma get your motherfuckin ass in this game too

this would be much more effective IF EITHER OF YOU COULD HAVE BEEN BOTHERED TO ACTUALLY VOTE SCUM MASTINA IN ANYTHING GOES.

last I recall I was the only 1 in this game to do so. wait desp voted them.

I asked you a question don't pussy out now.

I also asked sven some questions and I am still waiting a response!

[Infinite Jesters]

Nope. What started the 40 pages of bullshit was you outing my role and YOURS by CCing it with shitty setup spec that turned out to be shitty. You then called me scummy for a myriad of surefire scumtells like me predicting Molla 3rd party (which he basically was). So no. Im not taking blame form you for that, thanks.

you know what, FUCK YOU


and as i said in the dead QT for that game, FUCK YOU


i wouldn't have outted my role if you hadn't spent FORTY FUCKING PAGES scumreading me for no god damn reason


there's a fucking reason you were the MVP of the scumteam, so how about you cram it, you arrogant shithead

okay kuribo you didn't out cos of fratbros you did that on your own. at least that is how it reads to me.

whoops

[Infinite Jesters]

also I asked a question!

[Infinite Jesters]

will be v/la for the weekend

mods can you plz make note of this tia

[Infinite Jesters]

Episode 1, Shift A.3 (Day), VC 1

~Jordan' (4) - AGar, MrZepher, Brian Skies, Serene2
Bird and Beast (3) - Zdenek, FourteenPointFive, The Goat
AGar (3) - Bird and Beast, Infinite Jesters, Venmar
Serene2 (3) - ~Jordan`, ika, Svenskt Stål
Logical Duality (1) - zoraster
xRECKONERx (1) - Aronis
zoraster (1) - Logical Duality
Aronis (1) - Dry-fit

Not Voting (5): xRECKONERx, BROSeidon, hiplop, iamausername, PeregrineV
With 22 alive, it is 12 to lynch.

The Shift will switch in (expired on 2014-04-08 23:00:00).
The Episode will end in (expired on 2014-04-18 23:00:00).

the votes don't reflect reality

I thought votes were global

I have a bunch of things to say

[Infinite Jesters]

@ mastina and big bird

zden pinged for me at the same time it did you. and for the same reasons.

I thought I was the only 1 who has noticed zden cos he goes largely unnoticed I don't think I could articulate things in the way that you did wrt his meta it simply for me that he as town has usually a good grasp on things even when he gets paranoid and I am missing it here. having said that he is truly indignant about how you are reading him.

not sure if it is scftwr or what.

you made a post about that dual creatures being scum and then they post horrifyingly scummy and that has kind of freaked me out. what is up with that.

you made another 1 that freaked me out too! but I forget what it was.

we are in lockstep with our reads and desp was all like "do you think mastina could predict the trend of where your reads would go as scum?" and I said I wasn't sure but I thought no well mebbe but no but he reads you as town so I think the question was devil's ad.

we think that kuribo's posts about ap is bs. it was bro who brought the hate on in anything goes. but now that I have thought about it it seems weird for him to lie about it. I lean scummy on serene but mebbe not the best lynch for today? I don't understand your townread on them.

this seems like titus's scumgame. I feel like agar would be the best lynch only cos people actually buy into his bs. and after the streak of town losses I have had to eat yeah I am worried.

[Infinite Jesters]

How did they manage to get to either LD or Zoraster is scum from Zoraster only posting twice?
wut.

how are you making a correlation between that dual creatures and zoraster and couching it with zoraster's post count?

I don't even understand this.

I do agree that dry-fit's overall posting seems scummy as fuck.
His vote on me is just casting doubt, and then switches to the very low hanging fruit of Aronis (the dude hasn't posted anything that's unexpected from a newer player. get real.)

Has anyone put any effort into guessing how large the scum faction is? I don't think it says anywhere in the rules.
Also I'm comfortable with my vote where it is.

I have no idea what I'm supposed to think of BandB especially now that they've had the time to discuss optimal play vs whatever players they might be interacting with.

who was the other person than reck who said that they were not going to read the d1 shift?

and yeah we talked about how large the scum faction is.

[Infinite Jesters]

hai bird people!

lockstep with that dual thing softclaiming a guilty on zoraster. I dunno how it could be interpreted as a lover's claim like that makes no sense and looks desperate for the people pushing this.

like dual thing is going down lol.

I think it might be an attempt for a save, since we claimed lovers with sven (who is pushing for the dual thing claimed lovers thing lol) and it stirs up wifom.

the progression of titus's posts does not reflect a lovers claim especially since lovers have already been outed. also I trust ika's read on titus. ika is so very town.

lol @ serene spreading The Mist™

I am torn between wanting to support bro's and ika read on dual things and pushing an agar lynch cos I am worried that if no1 checks agar people will go omg he is so town.

[Infinite Jesters]

ap y u ignoring meh

[Infinite Jesters]

@mollie: dunno what to say? Yes I agree about you agreeing about titus. Have a cookie.

it is posts like these that got you guyz lynched in anything goes.

plz stahp being antagonistic towards your townreads and when I say townreads I mean us.

I am trying to work with you!

lets iron out some reads

[Infinite Jesters]

Well this is easy.

Unvote
Vote: Zoraster

so what do you think that titus creatures are doing with their soft-claim?

do you think that they are lovers or are claiming a cop guilty?

this looks like a throwaway vote tbh

[Infinite Jesters]

Well? You are asking why I'm ignoring you when you haven't asked me anything and made a post basically restating what I already stated. So? I really don't know what you wanted and found the inquiry pointed for no reason. Opinion on zephyr? He has to be town right?

grrrr

the paranoia reads mebbe genuine I dunno

what is your argument for not voting dual things?

[Infinite Jesters]

Well this is easy.

Unvote
Vote: Zoraster

so what do you think that titus creatures are doing with their soft-claim?

do you think that they are lovers or are claiming a cop guilty?

this looks like a throwaway vote tbh

I think they are claiming a guilty on Zoraster.

Not lovers because they talk about Zoraster being the lynch after their flip.

THANK YOU

so what do you think about the people positing the lover's claim like our sven and some other people

eta: Scum Caught For The Wrong Reasons

[Infinite Jesters]

God dammit mollie


I am sick and fucking tired of you getting all smug and calling me scum


YOU CANT FUCKING READ ME FOR SHIT


the fact that you keep saying you can just wavers my read on you, any other fucking time I can spot town you a mile away, but in this game I can't tell if you're scum or just spouting bullshit

Go the hell on somewhere with your bullshit too, I can't believe I even have to say that to you as many games we've played together

oh good grief the only reason I am not trying to steamroll your lynch is because I am

praying

hoping that the vig is not retarded.

you were lying about ap's go at you in ag it was bro. I guess you didn't want to directly address the IC? ap did not do what you claim he did in the game that you first referenced (ag).

I don't buy that you are town trolling for a second. if you are then omg

you look like you guyz are mist spreading aren't you glad you taught me that concept

[Infinite Jesters]

jordan do you like playing scum?

[Infinite Jesters]

you were lying about ap's go at you in ag it was bro. I guess you didn't want to directly address the IC? ap did not do what you claim he did in the game that you first referenced (ag).

No, stop. 1) This isn't a good point. 2) Nothing good will come from this. We really need to stop referencing that game.

why?

serene brought it up and aren't you using it as a barometer to gauge our towniness like just last night IRT?

[Infinite Jesters]

jordan do you like playing scum?

its definitely a lot easier

one of Serene/Bro is scum

I guess you should be voting Serene then since BRO IS AN INNOCENT CHILD.

hey we did not make the second post so do you think you could correct that tia

[Infinite Jesters]

From day one, jordan appears to be town. appears to be a borderline RVS wagon that was jumped on heavily.

hmm, Im not sure I understand the MrZephewr vote, to me hed be the most protown player yesterday? I'd be much more inclined to vote BnB

So the most protown players is one of the people voting Jordan, who you're reading as town?

anyone have previous experience with jordan? honestly he seems weird, almost like a troll? Unfortunately trolls can sometimes be town ~_~

I've played with Jordan a long time ago. This is about what I remember him being like, although I'm not sure I've ever seen him as town. I don't think his play here is anything out of the ordinary for him.

this post was super weird cos dry-fit is saying that he doesn't think he has ever seen town jordan which means he has only seen scum jordan and yet he thinks jordan is acting the same in this game as when he was scum and somehow...dry-fit doesn't see anything wrong with this? lol

[Infinite Jesters]

Thanks for confirming your alignment along with BnB. We know you are scum Zoraster. You can persist in this foolishness and reveal how we know you are scum, or you can bus BnB. Their is a slim chance BnB is town, but you are not.

The path of least resistance is best. I doubt we will prove you are scum based off your hyper-defensive overreaction, but you would be a fool to lynch us.

We know.

Why did you have to break our heart? We came here to the hospital get treated for our love addiction and we fell in love with scum...

~Titus

this is the first time that dual creatures mentions zoraster. they are saying that they KNOW zoraster is scum but that there is a slim chance that bird people is town yet that is who they are pushing to lynch.

this does not read as a cop guilty to me. why would they investigate zoraster anyways when there is a plethora of people that dual creatures cannot interact with I mean wouldn't that be the better choice?

I also didn't like their asking bro what he thought of the claims it looked like fishing to see what angle they could push bro into.

I have been scum with titus before and we have both been town before. this looks more like titus's scum posting than town to me.

[Infinite Jesters]

~ mollie's reads ~

until my lazy ass good for nothing hydra partners start doing something (desp and I did talk briefly about this game on the phone) I am just going to take he reigns. desp said he forgot the pw (lol, the 1 he created) so he has an excuse but I have no fucking clue where nacho is I know he is busy but still.

day shift

bro - conftown but I did not understand his grouping at all TOO BAD I DON'T HAVE A HYDRA PARTNER TO DISCUSS THIS WITH OH WAIT
bird people - obvtown but mollie </3 ap cos he was being mean. I still <3 mastina tho.
ika - I am loving ika in this game. TOWN
venny - this looks like venny's lazy town play but a little unsure cos he seems to be a bit out of step so unsure mebbe town but I can get weird on him.
serene - unsure still lean scum. desp thinks so too but nacho told desp that he thought that they were town. they talked briefly in gchat or something we all have yet to sync up. I AM NOT GOING TO SIGN THOSE DIVORCE PAPERS KURIBO WE WILL STAY MARRIED SO THAT I CAN PUNISH YOU FOR CHEATING ON ME WITH DGB AND FAKEGOD. DGB I GET BUT FAKEGOD?
brian - town but he has like dropped off the face of the earth
jordan - I thought he looked town with his exchanges with goat but he has disappeared except to post "I am not scum" lol. unsure mebbe town.
agar - still ignoring me in fact I find his whole avoidance of me downright bizarre considering I pushed for his lynch and how he crawled all over me in asofai. I am probs gonna spend a weekend at polyhaus so mebbe he is afraid to piss me off cos he thinks I will smother him with a pillow or something while he sleeps AND I JUST MIGHT. still lean scum.
zekrom2 - he is so inconsistent and is another 1 who seems super duper out of step. unsure
zden - I am just not feeling the warm fuzzies from him like I usually do. lean scummy
sven - his posts look a bit better and he seems to be actually putting in effort. what makes me think mebbe town is him parroting the conclusions about zden that bird people and I came to ages ago and somehow thinking he has bragging rights lol.

night shift

zoraster - I didn't see that zoraster ever posted again after titus claimed a cop guilty and that is probably the only thing that I don't like about him at this point. i thought he looked town up until that point. unsure
dual creatures - i know both heads and the it head loves to retard gambit but it was titus who first crumbed. the progression of their reads does not make sense they read as desperate scum knowing that most people will follow the IC who is actually a really strong player. lean scum.
dry-fit - scum
goat people - I am not as in love with him as I was when he was posting on the wrong shift. unsure
reck - looks like lazy town reck to me but yeah I have the same concern as bro as to whether or not he was trying to deliberately town slip. unsure lean town
aronis - I did not like how hostile he was with reck like I fucking hate it cos it was entirely unwarranted which seems a bit out of character for aronis. unsure mebbe scum
14.5 - desp found his entrance scummy and I feel meh
userwhatever - their thinking that scum could pick shifts people looked like retardedtown paranoia. lean town
hiplop - no read
perv - did he even post if he did I don't remember it. unsure and he is being boring.

I think that is every1.

[Infinite Jesters]

Zoraster, posting too much with no content makes it to where people don't care to read the game which is bad. Screaming I'm town in half of them makes it worse.

Also, what is scummy about wanting alignment links between shifts? Why is that allegedly scummy for us and not hiplop?

This looks like a reall opportnistic vote. Vague doubtcasting, leaving out reasons and skipping other players.


Hiplop, I have an idea about the wagon. It is not like BnB will get lynched by the time I finish reading. I jighly suspect that my read will match what 14 said due to the effort in his wall. I can move the vote if wrong or m other head objects.

this is the first time dual creatures mentions zoraster. they are saying that zoraster is POSTING TOO MUCH WITHOUT AY CONTENT

this does not read like a cop guilty to me. Why would they investigate n0 when cops usually dont

blah blah blah "i am useless squared" blah rant blah

This is us, working together

ty, what I meant was that it was the first time they mention zoraster as a claimed guilty. didn't zoraster only make 2 posts at that point? so why the "posting too much without any content".

its okay sven. i will never push for your lynch you are the 1 scum i want alive

yes ap, I did read that and took it under consideration while I was reading. their posts look like scum posts tho

[Infinite Jesters]

^ Remeber that this is Mollie reads, so they are reversed.

welp. so much for working together

I guess you are putting down my play cos you think all of the kewl kidz are doing it now?

all you are going to do is hurt my feelings and demotivate me and piss my other heads off.

unless that is what you

want

.

[Infinite Jesters]

tbf brian is a townread of desp's and nacho's. I have him as unsure and his sudden appearance after I just said he has dropped off the face of the earth makes me think he is actively lurking.

[Infinite Jesters]

Infinite jesters

No i read it wrong, LD is reffering to someone else.

yeah I just reread it and realized that they were talking about bird people

[Infinite Jesters]

tbf brian is a townread of desp's and nacho's. I have him as unsure and his sudden appearance after I just said he has dropped off the face of the earth makes me think he is actively lurking.

brian is top three 3 town for me so i am not pushing for his lynch, just trying to get him more productive

he isn't for me, I didn't like his whole "I was trying to get a reaction from you" with zero analysis and I am not seeing any clear stances and he looks followy

[Infinite Jesters]

I am putting you down because I have had enough.

You pegged me as scum because I didnt want to work with you? WTF is that? I dont know your alignment, why should i work with you?

You out us, which makes no fuking sense since you were the nk night 1 as claimed lover in anything goes. and whats worse, the more i want to ynch you the angrier i get because i dont want to fucking die.

You walz arround with shitty logic / just down right mis repping LD/ whatever else shit you came up with thinking you own the fucking place, i dont care if you are scum or just shitty town, no one is allowed to lynch you anyway. Best you can do is post less and show some fucking respect to those who know what the fuck they are doing.

this actually made me laugh.

1. where is my logic shitty? put up or stfu
2. I outed us cos I did not want to create wifom later in the game. and I dunno mebbe I was nked n1 cos I pegged you, mastina and waffles as scum on d1 and dgb was likely to be protected (she was).
3. lol @ I am "waltzing around acting like I own the place". who is misrepping now?
4. I find it funny that you say I don't know what I am doing but arrive at some of the same conclusions that I did way earlier.

mebbe you should go to an mra meeting or something and cool off

[Infinite Jesters]

ap I really don't think sven is town

[Infinite Jesters]

~Jordan'- fuck this guy, when I declare a 1v1 and you people won't lynch either of us, it pisses me off

FWIW, if nothing interesting happens on the night shift I'd be fine with lynching you.

i'm having a hard time getting a read on mollie

Mollie is absurdly town this game. Her energy, her motivation, her trolling, her general excitement , her scumhunting attempts, its all ridiculously town. Like wow.

Zdenek- believed the "soft guilty" or whatever the fuck it was a little too readily, might be trying to secure a sweet mislynch

, Your sentence started out ok, but everything after the comma looks like assigning scum motivation to something unnecessarily.

go to hell, you smug scummy bitch

hey ap lets start a smug club and run around and act like we own the place

I don't like the zoraster vote tho

[Infinite Jesters]

I don't like the zoraster vote tho

Ok, give me your top 3 votes? I mean I am really having a hard time seeing LD as scum after looking over their posts again. Them being a hydra ha a little to do with it, they just look seamless in where their attention is and their flop onto Zoraster is a pretty hard sell for scum, even Titus, but ESPECIALLY because they are a hydra. I tend to believe they do have reason to suspect Zoraster (although I acknowledge its possible they are scum/dumb and just throwing shit around to see what sticks, but that seems unlikely). I sort of want to vote someone from night shift since my reads are generally better as a neutral observer anyhow and my reads on this shift are mostly PoE+Interaction based.

this is what I love about mafia. hammering out reads with another player.

I didn't think dual's progression looked seamless. think about it; the IC had just voted them and the IC is known as a strong player so it would be natural for them to think that they were going down and fake a guilty. BUT and this is a big but, they would have had to do some quick thinking in order to attempt that gambit and you addressed this by bringing up that actions are resolved immediately.

I feel pretty conflicted about them. point in their favour is that zoraster never came back to the thread and respond. but I kind of thought it was weird with how they went about it I mean why not investigate their top scumread (you) whom they will not have any interactions with and they flat out state that they doubt that you will be lynched? do you see where I am going with this? their actions are in direct conflict with their trajectories (I am going to use this word all of the time now for ironic purposes) so there is a cog-dis there that I don't understand.

[Infinite Jesters]

@ zden

I agree with how mastina read you. I see the same things. I think as town you are a balanced player and are often underestimated. <----- you know that I feel this way. so where is the conflict with how mastina reads you?

you referenced a game yeah? can you walk me back through that plz cos that happened in the first day round and your indignation felt genuine but again *scftwr*

[Infinite Jesters]

Look. Mollie outed herself as lovers with Skelda on Day 1 in Anything Goes and she became the N1 kill in that game. I'd assume she'd fear a similar result happening to her in another game.

why would you assume that? I thought it was protown then and I still think it is protown. especially since I do not think that sven is town.

Except she decides to argue that BnB are terrible lynches because of how much of a boon to the town they are for us and that they'd be able to sort BnB if they were scum. But if the slot isn't around past N1, her argument is moot.

its true that I have a silly hope that town will actually look at my dead reads but I refuse to give up hope.

and I don't think bird people are a town cos "they are a boon if town" I am twonreading them cos we are in lockstep with our reads and I would think it would be hard for scum bird people to predict exactly where I am going to go with my thought processes especially since it is pretty well known that I am a wild card who eats paranoia flakes at 2am.

I just don't like her outing herself this early in general. Especially for something as silly as Sven not working together with her within the first 24 hours or so of the game opening. I think it's poor form and it makes no sense to me from a town perspective. If they're both town, she's essentially giving the scum-team another free 2-for-1.

that isn't why I am scumreading sven.

The main thing that gives me pause it how energetic Mollie seems. It actually looks like she's trying to figure shit out and I'm not sure it's fakeable for her based on how I've seen her play recently.

THANK YOU

so what do you think about the people positing the lover's claim like our sven and some other people

And here's some clarification of the issue thanks to Mollie.

*I don't know. If there's multiple scum in this phase, I'm getting a feeling there might be a fair deal of bussing going on.

/23

exactly what did I clarify in that post you quoted?

[Infinite Jesters]

IJ, why do you continue to ignore me?

I'm not?

[Infinite Jesters]

I haven't read shit up to this point

[Infinite Jesters]

I see why a lot of people were dissatisfied with AGar's early posting. It feels like he's incredibly driven to cut everything that's antitown in the bud to the point of being unnatural: I'm not really sure how I feel about it yet.

[Infinite Jesters]

I have a town PM

oh i missed the most recent one

This isn't really close to a scum tell at all, sorry.
This probably explains why you're so bad at reading Mastin-AP, though.

[Infinite Jesters]

goat dearie
just because the red x correlates with the sound
doesn't mean you you can conclude that the red x makes or is the sound
the errrrrnt is the sound

i would tell you why you should try again (beyond the fact that you're clearly wrong)
but i don't know if i can handle the profound absurdity involved in explaining mafia to a goat

Well, since we're being condescending, let's break it down a little further. "Dearie."

Your "errnt" doesn't make a sound, either. The only sound inherent to the conversation is one in our minds, based on the correlation between the text and what it relates to.

And from an American point of view, the big red X wins that direct comparison.

If you'd like to explain Mafia to someone, please go to the newbie queue. T'isn't required here.

Goat becomes pretty town around this point, so does ~~~~Jordan~~~~. I don't think any of these players would be confident enough to hold these kinds of attitudes as scum, particularly Goat.

[Infinite Jesters]

So you out us as lovers ... and you want to lynch me, which would kill you. Good job. Or am I missing some logic here?

All, I would be down with a BandB lynch, I am leaning town but I dont care, the spamming is just too much. I knew mastin was a clown player without skill but I am suprised to AP sinking into mastins filth.

Still dont understand the Agar votes, it seems like on this site "if someone is being towny" he has to be "scum".

I also like mr Zphers start.

Why would we give a shit about our lover's status if you seem like scum? If I have a strong enough belief that you're scum, I'm more than willing to die in order to make you dead, and you should feel the same way that we do as far as that goes.

Why did you like Zephr's start? There doesn't seem to be much to it at all except for a complaint re: B&B, and a few leaning reads with no reasons. Are you seeing something that I'm not?

[Infinite Jesters]

Regarding you outing yourself as a lover, maybe your role is negative utility, but it's a stupid thing to do. After what happened in Anything Goes, I think you'd at least have some more sense before doing that again considering you were the NIGHT 1 KILL that game. Here you're sharing a hydra with both Desp and Nacho. So it makes no fucking sense to me why you would out yourself as lovers with Sven because he wasn't working with you within 24 HOURS of the game opening and before half the game even checked in. Like, seriously, what the fuck were you thinking?

I'm confused how this makes us more likely to be scum: do you think that mollie is particularly more likely to out us as lovers without our permission as scum? Because I don't know if you know much about Mollie, but I don't think she'd be taking the lead in our hydra if we were scum.

[Infinite Jesters]

that's an abject falsehood, jordan

he made one post explaining his stance on the matter, ONE, and then explained why he felt that way when mollie asked him to



you're not going to convince me that YET ANOTHER RE-TREAD of Anything Goes is going to lead to anything but a scum win


and mastin was scum in that! he knows god damn well that the shitstorm in that game helped push him to victory

I don't even understand what angle you're trying to take here.

[Infinite Jesters]

and I really don't give two shits if people want me to stop bringing up Anything Goes- in that game, mastin played the town like fucking fiddles while claiming to be confirmed town, and AP's stupid ass dragged me through a forty page shouting match


so don't you sit there and give me shit about how i'm supposed to see things any differently when THEY'RE DOING THE EXACT SAME FUCKING THING HERE

Im guessing that in Anything Goes, the shouting match happened partially because you thought AP was scum for reasons that didn't actually have anything to do with his alignment. Mastin calling himself confirmed town is, again, not a scumtell regardless of what happened in Anything Goes. If you need proof of him I can dig it up, but Imperishable Night is a off the cuff example, Chosen Mafia (although I forgot who modded it) is another off the cuff example... Him calling himself town? Nothing new.

[Infinite Jesters]

Remember, mastin told his scum buddies in Anything Goes that the best way to deal with me would be to piss me off bad enough that if replace out. Why do you think he wants me to rage?

And he's got Jordan helping him. This sort of play is bullshit at the highest level, and I'll see both of you roped for it

Please tell me you don't actually believe that mastin's goal when he said "kuribo, rage" was getting you to replace out. You're driving plenty of paranoia about mastin's scumgame: how did he make you angry in Anything Goes? Was it by very directly and politely asking you?

[Infinite Jesters]

Did you just call me mollie?

[Infinite Jesters]

baaaahh

VOTE: agar

If BnB is scum and Agar is town, this is textbook chainsaw. Bonus if Jordan is scum

Agar is totally townposting to this point. His post on how to handle things is spot on and lmost predicted BnB's behavio.

I can't really see AGar being correct that we should be scumhunting as being a strong point for him being town.

[Infinite Jesters]

Why would we give a shit about our lover's status if you seem like scum? If I have a strong enough belief that you're scum, I'm more than willing to die in order to make you dead, and you should feel the same way that we do as far as that goes.

Are you serious here?

If you're a non-alignment confirmed lover with a player and know nothing else, then you shouldn't have claimed it.

If you're both town, then you just granted scum a double kill.

If you're town and sven's scum, then scum already knows your status and will never shoot you.

I'm thinking you're scum going for towncred with your lover claim.

Vote: IJ

Mollie outed us, never claimed it was a great idea.

[Infinite Jesters]

You also quoted a post of mine, but you didn't actually address anything I said in it.
Did you forget that we claimed lovers or something?

[Infinite Jesters]

I'm thinking you're scum going for towncred with your lover claim.

Nice job trying to discredit a claimed lover of all things.

Pray tell.

What do you think is the correct play as a town non-alignment confirmed lover?

Claiming it brazenly only helps scum far as my reasoning goes. Enlighten me.

pedit: I'm fully aware that you're a claimed lover with sven.

So why is this coming up just now? Why aren't you addressing my posts that are talking to you?

[Infinite Jesters]

I can't even respond to 475. There's too much fucking stupid.

Like... no.

BRO why are you confirmed town and why is LD talking about a dichotomy between them and zor?

BRO is confirmed town because his opening play is town as shit.
LD is talking about the Zor and them dichotomy because Titus-town is crazy.

[Infinite Jesters]

I'm an idiot. Agar just dropped a mega town tell and I hard a brain fart with Venmar, I thought he was hinting at a cop result but we didn't have an actual night yet.

VOTE: Venmar

What is AGar town tell?

[Infinite Jesters]

Why is this only just coming up now?

[Infinite Jesters]

I should have known FakeGod was posting, kuribo posting that would be too good to be true.

[Infinite Jesters]

Why would we give a shit about our lover's status if you seem like scum? If I have a strong enough belief that you're scum, I'm more than willing to die in order to make you dead, and you should feel the same way that we do as far as that goes.

Are you serious here?

If you're a non-alignment confirmed lover with a player and know nothing else, then you shouldn't have claimed it.

If you're both town, then you just granted scum a double kill.

If you're town and sven's scum, then scum already knows your status and will never shoot you.

I'm thinking you're scum going for towncred with your lover claim.

Vote: IJ

Mollie outed us, never claimed it was a great idea.

it was brilliant

lol @ serene just now voting us for outing us as lovers and thus lynching his "strongest townread" lolololol

[Infinite Jesters]

I should have known FakeGod was posting, kuribo posting that would be too good to be true.

You're dodging.

What am I dodging, exactly?

[Infinite Jesters]

AND AGAR IS STILL IGNORING ME

[Infinite Jesters]

Mollie has made anti-town claims before, her making an anti-town claim in this game makes her scum because...?
Same question to you as to my question to Brian: why do you think mollie-scum would be taking the lead in this hydra? Why do you think she would claim lovers without my or Desp's permission?

[Infinite Jesters]

I read Mastin's post three times a day over the weekend and now I really want him to be town (sigh). I also know, I'm easily buddied (sigh).

He's town, you can give into your desires.

[Infinite Jesters]

lol @ serene just now voting us for outing us as lovers and thus lynching his "strongest townread" lolololol

Correct! It's an argument I'm making, as an outsider aligned with town.

However, it's incredibly anti-town for you to make the same argument.

Do you not see why?

Still waiting for you to explain what argument you're making.

[Infinite Jesters]

also for everyone in our day shift:

WHY IS EVRYONE DECIING BETWEEN OUR DAY SHIFT? WE HAVE OUR FUCKING NIGHT SHIFT AS WELL.

if anything we should have questions directed at them as well to answer scince we cant directly interact with them. same for you night shift. dont limit your discussion to your shift only ask questions for day shift

Night shift lasted for two pages, I'm not particularly inclined to lynch anyone from that shift quite yet.

[Infinite Jesters]

also for everyone in our day shift:

WHY IS EVRYONE DECIING BETWEEN OUR DAY SHIFT? WE HAVE OUR FUCKING NIGHT SHIFT AS WELL.

if anything we should have questions directed at them as well to answer scince we cant directly interact with them. same for you night shift. dont limit your discussion to your shift only ask questions for day shift

Night shift lasted for two pages, I'm not particularly inclined to lynch anyone from that shift quite yet.

Fine, but how about you leave them questions like i suggested? its really our only means of communicating with them.

Sure, I will question them when I have questions for them.

[Infinite Jesters]

before I forget to mention these things:

IJ never listed me on their grand list of reads.
no love for zephyr :C

BandB said that calling yourself town repeatedly is not a scumtell.

That ceases to be true the second you know that it's provably not a scumtell, especially when you point it out

.
It's just creating wifom, and the fact that they know they're doing it is a problem.
i have no idea if serene already pointed that out. I haven't been keeping up since i last posted.

What?

[Infinite Jesters]

Current town block from Day Shift: {~Jordan, ika, BnB, Zepher, Zdenek, Brian Skies}.

I don't like Serene's play this game: kuribo's scumread on Mastin was sort of seriously horrible and equated to him kicking up paranoia on Mastin scum and making vague comparisons to anything goes, his scumread on Jordan is absolutely horrible and isn't pushed with any sort of conviction whatsoever (which for kuribo is especially :S). His interactions with Mollie are incredibly sketchy: they read as "well if you were town reading me or not calling me scum I'd have an easier time reading you as obviously town" which is pretty clearly manipulative and doesn't really make sense coming from town-kuribo. If he was bothered by mollie's push on him, he'd push her. If he could see that this isn't anything close to mollie's scumgame despite a bad push, then there wouldn't be that "but her push on me bothers me sooooo much" caveat. FakeGod's entrance of "oh they claimed lovers, must be scum" has an obvious logical flaw and is a push made without any other head's input (despite that having to have been a topic even in the most inactive of QTs).

[Infinite Jesters]

I'm confused how this makes us more likely to be scum: do you think that mollie is particularly more likely to out us as lovers without our permission as scum? Because I don't know if you know much about Mollie, but I don't think she'd be taking the lead in our hydra if we were scum.

I was being paranoid of the Mollie/BnB lockstep.

Is this Nacho? This sounds like Nacho.

When there are 40 posts in a row, it's Nacho from iPad central.

[Infinite Jesters]

I'll explain it in detail why I think IJ is scum based on their claim.

Say you saw your role PM, and it said you were a lover with someone, but you don't know their alignment, and you don't have a QT with him.

Game starts.

What is your optimal play?

If you think your lover is town, then you keep your mouth shut and don't claim lovers. Because scum will get a free double kill otherwise.

What if you think your lover is scum?

Do you out that you're lovers right away?

If your lover is scum, then the scumteam already knows that you're a lover. They will not shoot you in fear of killing their own team. You have plenty of game time to sort your lover out, since you're not getting shot anytime soon.

But what if you are absolutely 120% positive that your lover is scum?

Isn't trading yourself to get a scum kill a good idea?

Sure. If you

absolutely think your lover is scum without a doubt

, then it's perfectly reasonable to out yourselves and try your hardest to get yourself or your lover killed/lynched/ask for vig shots/etc.

That isn't what happening here. IJ randomly claimed lovers, said "

Why would we give a shit about our lover's status if you seem like scum? If I have a strong enough belief that you're scum, I'm more than willing to die in order to make you dead, and you should feel the same way that we do as far as that goes.

", but haven't gone after

sven lynch like their lives depended on it.

They're not even scumreading sven very hard, but they felt the need to out themselves as lovers? Does that makes sense?

It makes zero sense for town_IJ

to risk handing a free double kill to scum and out their lovers status,

when they're not even scumreading their lover very hard.

More likely, it's a gambit. They're buying towncred by outting their lover status. Saying things like "it's a good trade for me to trade with a scum" is great and all, but their actions have proven otherwise.

FakeGod, point 1: people don't always play optimally. Mollie has shown she doesn't know how to play the lovers role in the past (Anything Goes). Why does her outing us as lovers here make us confirmed scum when the head that outed us has outed herself as a lover for no reason in the past?

[Infinite Jesters]

Point 2: The quote you took out of context was my response to Sven asking why we would push him if we would die as a result from his lynch.

[Infinite Jesters]

I, for one, do not agree with kuribo's scumread on beastbird, but that's a difference to be sorted out in the hydra QT, not here.

this is the first not shitty thing you've posted all day

[Infinite Jesters]

why do you think mollie-scum would be taking the lead in this hydra? Why do you think she would claim lovers without my or Desp's permission?

I forgot to answer this. I have no idea how you guys decide your hydra dynamics. And I don't care.

It did bother me at the time but I was worried I could have been wrong in my read of Mollie. Hence me asking for you to come out instead of outright voting her. And we've been dancing ever since.

The lover claim is just weird to me regardless of what you're going to say to me. It's a difference in philosophy and I'm not interested in filling several more pages up because of it. As far as doing it without your permission, I don't know. It's not like you two have been around so I'm not thinking much of it.

What do you think of FakeGod's current push on us based on the lover thing?

[Infinite Jesters]

I won't be around if you leave

[Infinite Jesters]

before I forget to mention these things:

IJ never listed me on their grand list of reads.
no love for zephyr :C

I did I just call you zekrom2

[Infinite Jesters]

@Nacho: Ok. She could be playing suboptimally. That makes her lame, but not necessarily scum.

But I haven't forgotten that she's in a hydra. She would have surely discussed something big as claiming lovers with her hydra heads before actually doing it, no?

I might be reading into it too much, but I'm saying it as I see it. And I can't see a good town-motivation for her as unconfirmed town lover to claim her role like that.

pedit: Point 2 is irrelevant. I'm arguing that you are scum because of your claim and your interaction with sven.

No, she didn't.
Would it have been optimal? Yes.
Did she? No.

And you don't need to see good town-motivation for her when she claimed lover unprovoked as town before, proving that she has some convoluted reason for doing so.

[Infinite Jesters]

And my interaction with sven makes me scum? I've made it clear that mollie outed us as lovers without my permission and without my consent and without me having a scumread on sven.
Why do I need to be pushing sven "like my life depended on it", again?

[Infinite Jesters]

Mollie was Flying Beauties.

Then I don't see how is this relevant if mollie wasn't even a lover in that game????

Guess I was wrong on that!

[Infinite Jesters]

I'll explain it in detail why I think IJ is scum based on their claim.

Say you saw your role PM, and it said you were a lover with someone, but you don't know their alignment, and you don't have a QT with him.

Game starts.

What is your optimal play?

If you think your lover is town, then you keep your mouth shut and don't claim lovers. Because scum will get a free double kill otherwise.

What if you think your lover is scum?

Do you out that you're lovers right away?

If your lover is scum, then the scumteam already knows that you're a lover. They will not shoot you in fear of killing their own team. You have plenty of game time to sort your lover out, since you're not getting shot anytime soon.

But what if you are absolutely 120% positive that your lover is scum?

Isn't trading yourself to get a scum kill a good idea?

Sure. If you

absolutely think your lover is scum without a doubt

, then it's perfectly reasonable to out yourselves and try your hardest to get yourself or your lover killed/lynched/ask for vig shots/etc.

That isn't what happening here. IJ randomly claimed lovers, said "

Why would we give a shit about our lover's status if you seem like scum? If I have a strong enough belief that you're scum, I'm more than willing to die in order to make you dead, and you should feel the same way that we do as far as that goes.

", but haven't gone after

sven lynch like their lives depended on it.

They're not even scumreading sven very hard, but they felt the need to out themselves as lovers? Does that makes sense?

It makes zero sense for town_IJ

to risk handing a free double kill to scum and out their lovers status,

when they're not even scumreading their lover very hard.

More likely, it's a gambit. They're buying towncred by outting their lover status. Saying things like "it's a good trade for me to trade with a scum" is great and all, but their actions have proven otherwise.

the problem with this post is that I didn't randomly claim, I think sven is scummy and I have been saying it all day. also we get to have a pet scum or did you miss that?

[Infinite Jesters]

Vote: Serene2

[Infinite Jesters]

I'll explain it in detail why I think IJ is scum based on their claim.

Say you saw your role PM, and it said you were a lover with someone, but you don't know their alignment, and you don't have a QT with him.

Game starts.

What is your optimal play?

If you think your lover is town, then you keep your mouth shut and don't claim lovers. Because scum will get a free double kill otherwise.

What if you think your lover is scum?

Do you out that you're lovers right away?

If your lover is scum, then the scumteam already knows that you're a lover. They will not shoot you in fear of killing their own team. You have plenty of game time to sort your lover out, since you're not getting shot anytime soon.

But what if you are absolutely 120% positive that your lover is scum?

Isn't trading yourself to get a scum kill a good idea?

Sure. If you

absolutely think your lover is scum without a doubt

, then it's perfectly reasonable to out yourselves and try your hardest to get yourself or your lover killed/lynched/ask for vig shots/etc.

That isn't what happening here. IJ randomly claimed lovers, said "

Why would we give a shit about our lover's status if you seem like scum? If I have a strong enough belief that you're scum, I'm more than willing to die in order to make you dead, and you should feel the same way that we do as far as that goes.

", but haven't gone after

sven lynch like their lives depended on it.

They're not even scumreading sven very hard, but they felt the need to out themselves as lovers? Does that makes sense?

It makes zero sense for town_IJ

to risk handing a free double kill to scum and out their lovers status,

when they're not even scumreading their lover very hard.

More likely, it's a gambit. They're buying towncred by outting their lover status. Saying things like "it's a good trade for me to trade with a scum" is great and all, but their actions have proven otherwise.

FakeGod, point 1: people don't always play optimally. Mollie has shown she doesn't know how to play the lovers role in the past (Anything Goes). Why does her outing us as lovers here make us confirmed scum when the head that outed us has outed herself as a lover for no reason in the past?

[Infinite Jesters]

Vote: Serene2

Please answer my 774 or I'm taking that as a scum claim.

I'm not mollie.

[Infinite Jesters]

No! I'm not fully caught up yet!

Mollie, why would you feel the need to out lovers when you're not

absolutely sure that sven's not scum????

You know if he's town then you just handed the scum

a free double kill???

tbh I don't know how to address the double negative.

I don't think he is town how many times do I have to say this

[Infinite Jesters]

And my interaction with sven makes me scum? I've made it clear that mollie outed us as lovers without my permission and without my consent and without me having a scumread on sven.
Why do I need to be pushing sven "like my life depended on it", again?

Goddamn it.

You guys are pulling a stock VI defense when you guys aren't actually VIs.

That's not legal, and you're going to jail now.

Mollie outed us based on

her

scumread of sven, not mine.
You're calling us scum because of

my

interaction with sven.

[Infinite Jesters]

But im eating with a friend and phoneposting would be rude. Leave ur thots i thread and ill respond later.

Meanwhile enjoy my sheepvote as a sad parting gift.

vote:serene

I have to go but I love you!

[Infinite Jesters]

No! I'm not fully caught up yet!

Mollie, why would you feel the need to out lovers when you're not

absolutely sure that sven's not scum????

You know if he's town then you just handed the scum

a free double kill???

You knwo all your doing is throwing speculation?

theory question: what is the diffrence between lynching them today if they are both town vs scum killing them if they are both town?

THANK YOU

[Infinite Jesters]

Mollie didn't claim first randomly. She didn't even know that she was a lover until Skelda claimed.

Skelda claimed first under pressure iirc. Skelda was the unrequited lover. She didn't claim randomly.

yes, exactly this



and the defense that was laid out is "mollie may be playing suboptimally, we already saw she doesn't know how to play lovers because we saw her in anything goes"


but she wasnt the one that made the claim in that game

I MOST CERTAINLY DID ONCE I REALISED I WAS LOVERS WITH SKELDA

[Infinite Jesters]

No! I'm not fully caught up yet!

Mollie, why would you feel the need to out lovers when you're not

absolutely sure that sven's not scum????

You know if he's town then you just handed the scum

a free double kill???

You knwo all your doing is throwing speculation?

theory question: what is the diffrence between lynching them today if they are both town vs scum killing them if they are both town?

Town loses a mislynch in the former, and do not lose a mislynch in the latter.

so why are you voting us? cos if you think that there would be a mislynch in a lover's claim then why not leave us up to scum?

[Infinite Jesters]

AGAR IS STILL IGNORING ME

[Infinite Jesters]

I really don't like the Serene vs IJ thing.

there's too much speculation involving meta that's largely inaccessible to me

serene just linked the game we are all referencing

so how is it inaccessible

[Infinite Jesters]

I really don't like the Serene vs IJ thing.

there's too much speculation involving meta that's largely inaccessible to me

serene just linked the game we are all referencing

so how is it inaccessible

okay. why the fuck should I have to read a whole other game just to have context for this one?

especially when I generally dislike meta arguments...

mebbe cos you were seemingly asking for it by way of saying it was inaccessible to you?

god you are scum

hey kuribo where is your murder drive now

[Infinite Jesters]

okay so mebbe serene is town

AGAR IS STILL IGNORING ME

if bird people are scum then holy shit

[Infinite Jesters]

okay so mebbe serene is town

AGAR IS STILL IGNORING ME

if bird people are scum then holy shit

it crossed my mind that ap and serene are scum together

but I do not even want to go down that path

[Infinite Jesters]

AGAR IS STILL IGNORING ME

[Infinite Jesters]

brian you fucking scum aren't you

[Infinite Jesters]

zoraster is the lynch for today but I am wondering why the freaking night shift is so...anemic.

and why day shift looks terrribad/

[Infinite Jesters]

what am I missing about agar

[Infinite Jesters]

given serene's claim i'm inclined to ignore BB until Zoraster flips.

Thats the whole fucking point.

GIVEN SERENES CLAIM, we should lynch BnB, not zoraster.

yeah we should lynch the unconfirmed cop's view over the confirmed cop's 1. cos that makes great sense.

VOTE: zoraster

back to thinking serene is scum

[Infinite Jesters]

This post will have two parts. First the explanation of what we did and why we did it.
The second is what reads we gained from it.

What We Did

BnB was right. We are a cop. We target those in our same shift,

max once per episode

. We knew that we would be up early and scum would take advantage of the fact we are an anonymous hydra. So we decided to use our ability early on someone who voted us early.

We discussed checking Aronis but he was less likely to be scum in Titus’s opinion because he was being candid about voting us for being an anonymous hydra and moved his vote with reasons based on someone else acting scummy.

Zoraster worked better because it would give associative information on everyone and his reaction was pretty extreme to us basically sheeping FourteenPointFive until we read the thread and verified what he was saying. He also was attempting to cut off communications between the shifts. Knowing his alignment would also help us get our bearings. Was he overly defensive because he already had a townread on Jordan and BnB or was he scum going into hyperdefensive mode afraid that FourteenPointFive might have one hell of a sheepable case? If Zoraster came back town, that would help get our reads in order.

Zoraster’s reluctance to work across shifts, as highlighted by our 415 means one of the wagons is likely on scum.

Once we got our result, we decided to gambit a little bit. Crumb it so it’s not totally off the wall. The lover part, albeit confusing, was doubtcasting on the lovers. Our role PM talks about falling in love to quickly, which is why we were surprised about lovers being in the game. We are in no way a lover with anyone (unless there is a nymphomaniac who lovers us and we have no notification).

By crumbing our results in a vague and awkward way, town would naturally go what the fuck? Those who have experience with us would naturally wonder if this was indeed a Titus tunnel or not. This also forced the scum in the day shift to take one of the three actions we alluded to previously. Scum would not be able to lynch us as the association would be laid threadbare. So we think most of the votes on us are town. We eluded to this possibility when talking with BRO in 467.

We gave the scum 3 options in #472

1) Avoid Zoraster/Me, give associative tells and don't NK me. This just pushes your problem down the road.
2) Lynch me, confirm Zoraster. Cutting this short makes the associatives obvious to everyone else that we already see.
3) Bus Zoraster with weakass reasons and hope you don't get caught.

Most scum picked option 1, most certainly. BnB is the only notable exception. The only players voted me voted me based on meta that Titus would never pull something like this. However, this is a low risk play given the setup. I knew there was zero chance of getting lynched due to low activity in my own shift.

Ika’s wall posting was obviously town. Titus figured she could count on him for at least one vote on Logical Duality, as ika always reads Titus as scum. Sorry ika. We gambited. TROLL ON YOU AND YOUR HOUSE! :-p The only question is whether ika approached the gambit as if he thought he was looking under the hood. He passed.

There is not one player who voted our wagon without asking a lot of questions and attempting to break the puzzle. Scum wouldn’t want to risk being caught having votes on a cop. That would be fatal at some point.
Not a single player voted Zoraster after the cop softclaim. We know there’s little cop meta out there on us, but we claim hard and fast when we get a cop result. Now we are essentially an IC. If scum have an episodic roleblocker, they are forced to use it on us unless they can kill us with a strongman. The doctor will be on us.


Now, here’s what we gained. This doesn’t include associations with each other. We gained a lot more townreads due to the What the fuck than the actual analysis.

By the way, my other head needs love. We are Titus and It. It's not "LD creatures" or "Titus creatures" or Titus. "Logical Creatures" is better but please use LD or Logical Duality.

Our reads gathered

Shorter version here.

Bird and Beast

BnB is almost certainly scum. Associations with BnB aside, the slot’s trajectory is nuts. Either a) we believe that the pair never spoke together regarding Zoraster, or b) the slot gradually changed its mind regarding Zoraster with little to no discussion with the rest of the group. NO one else pushed Zoraster as scum. This appears to be him choosing option 3.
His actions also served as a neon sign. Scum would have to coordinate over WHICH choice to make. If BnB is scum, we can infer based on this chat that scum have no nightchat whatsoever.
Mastin and AP both know about my tendancy to tunnel. Why would the slot jump to cop? Insane Titus was the right place to jump. Answer: They already knew Zoraster was guilty.
Mastin townreading ika for 105 also seems very forced and incredible. Ika should not have been a townread until he began actually providing content.
TownMastin, reading our posts and seeing 1-3 options would have most likely sat on the gambit and pushed it for another day or assumed I was insane and left it at that. The gradual progression is fake. He wants his vote there because Zoraster IS getting lynched.

Serene

Serene – Both heads like this as town. “It” has a few doubts but Serene’s interactions regarding the wagons. Titus likes Serene's gambiting and I don't give a fuck attitude.

ika

Ika- I touched on this a little bit. I figured ika would play it like meta. Ika always assumes scum and never gambiting, especially if town. He approached it in a methodical answer but reached the precisely wrong conclusion Titus expected him to reach from the start.

Stal

Stal – He’s probably town for the same reasons as ika.

Agar

Agar was a solid townread and is STILL a solid townread.

Jordan

Comes on just to say he’s not scum? Huh… oversensitive much? I would have liked more from him.

Zdenek

I like 245. He wants conflict and pressure not to hold hands and sing Kumbiyah! We got scum to catch.
538 is a towntell. 548 is bonus. 

Venmar

Whiteknighting Jordan in 119.

Dryfit

Extreme doubtcasting by my scumreads after Dry-fit fingers Mr.Zepher. He’s probably town.

Zepher

Probably scum.
#162, planting reads for the future. Telegraphing is usually scum, especially so early.
#189 is epic landscaping. So many hedges.

#489

How did they manage to get to either LD or Zoraster is scum from Zoraster only posting twice?
wut.

Not focused on what the fuck the players are doing, but what the popular consensus is.
#532/533
Goes back on LD/Zoraster dynamic.
Vote on BnB was telegraphed.
#686
His scumread Serene can make him feel uncomfortable about voting his BnB scumread… why?

Leading Dayshift scum candidates

BnB, Jordan, Zephr, and Venmar

Town Contenders

Ika, Serene, Stal, Zdenek, Agar, Jesters (solely bc of Stal’s ending post on them)

Nightshift scum

Zoraster, ????, ???

Nightshift Town

Bro, LD ????

The gambit is complete. Reads have been formed. Use this after we die soonish.

~Titus (with some help from It.)

[Infinite Jesters]

....why would they kill LD in this situation? They must have known we were gambiting for reactions. I guess it's claim time.

I am "Rebecca Berrie, the Assistant Manager Who Has Hobbies That Interfere With Her Work"

I have same shift 1-shot neighborizor ability that I used immediately on LD to see if we could pick a fake fight and see what idiocy we could produce. That was the entire point behind Shift 1.B's spat. He hadn't used his 1-shot cop ability yet, unfortunately. We were going to use it on someone who tried to white knight me. I don't know what mafia has, but I'll assume it's a rolecop of some sort.

This is obviously scum, but a fairly solid effort I enjoyed reading through.

[Infinite Jesters]

cute. what? did you guys know LD was lying, so you rolecop him, discover he's cop and shoot him, knowing it'd make me look scummy in the process? i admit, this caught me off guard. guess i didn't really anticipate how it'd be playing in a real time environment.

Too complicated of an explanation.
Titus isn't that sneaky.

[Infinite Jesters]

I'm sort of seeing p5 town and 14.5 null-scum based on lightly reading the last page or so.

Doing my read of the last shift now to throw questions their way

Agree.

[Infinite Jesters]

Oh my god people actually are buying this shit.

[Infinite Jesters]

I haven't slept in a very very long time and I can still smell this bullshit from a mile away when it's handed to me this horribly.

[Infinite Jesters]

Post 462 is Titus's confirming her guilty result on Zoraster. It is signed ~Titus. This is when she begins her series of 2nd cop crumb in preparation for her full claim.

Next ~Titus Post is post 467. It ends with the words "last will".

Next ~Titus Post is post 471. The letters that start the sentences are A and S.

Next ~Titus Post is post 482. The letters that start the sentences are D and B. (ignoring the numerous I's)

Next ~Titus Post is post 810. This is her Cop claim, presumably where the crumb ends.

Putting everything together, it spells out: "Last will as DouBle Cop"; Titus was aware that there might be another cop running out there.

The role PM also implied that our results may be reversed. My guess is that if we were Sane, Titus was Insane, and vice-versa.

To verify our sanity and hers, we investigated Zoraster, Titus's target, and BirdAndBeast, who's now very likely to be scum due to their cop fakecrumb, and got "different." This is fanastic because even with unconfirmed sanities:

If Titus's sanity is Insane and we're Sane, this means Zora is town and BnB is scum.

If Titus's sanity is Sane and we're Insane, this means Zora is scum and BnB is scum.

I do not know whether Zora is scum or town; he could fall either way.

Either way, we are "guaranteed" that BnB is scum; may buddha have mercy on their souls.

I'm just trying to figure this out for a moment.

1) This post is oddly reminiscent of another post I've seen from FG. Why should I believe this is more likely to come from a town you?
2) Does Titus have a history with extravagant crumbing?
3)

I agree with Zephyr that if you were really worried about sanities, you had a completely viable option of using Bro as a base-read.

Nevermind. I have no idea how sanities and parity cops work.
4) What happens if BnB flips town? Do we lynch you?
5) Is there a way for us to verify the alignments without flipping most, if not all, of the parties involved? Like, why should I trust you?

UNVOTE: Serene

2) There is no way anyone makes a crumb that horribly retarded.

[Infinite Jesters]

Fuck, I'm so cranky im so sorry but holy fucking shit.

You think that they made a one shot cop who was informed of another cop in the game (why?). Remember that said one shot cop was apparently informed of another's existence, and did not flip informed. You think that Titus's hint of there being another cop in the game was the letters D B in a post between a fuck ton of I's. Please, please, please find me a single crumb anywhere where the most important part is hidden among a sea of other letters. You think that power roles can use their powers multiple times in one day? Oh, sure: there being another cop automatically means that the other cop is insane and a parity cop! (No).

[Infinite Jesters]

BRO, I also don't know how you are town reading serene /:(

[Infinite Jesters]

Good work zdenek, welcome to townhood.

?

[Infinite Jesters]

What was remarkable about Zdenek's latest series of posting?

[Infinite Jesters]

IJ, did you people ever get around to looking at the past games I linked for you?

No.

[Infinite Jesters]

I remember them well enough, though. Why do you think Mastin I accurately describing how he's read you in the past is scummy?

[Infinite Jesters]

I remember them well enough, though. Why do you think Mastin I accurately describing how he's read you in the past is scummy?

Because he is trying to cast doubt on me with bs.

Could you quote where he said how he reads you again? I'm not willing to do a lot of reading at the moment because I haven't has much sleep, but I can give my opinions easily enough.

[Infinite Jesters]

Are you even reading Sven?

Bro can't be targeted by any abilities.

I cannot target myself with my ability.

Go read page 1 and my full claim.

Can you please just stop with the bullshit?
Thank you.

[Infinite Jesters]

So, Zdenek, I think that I would also characterize you as a player I generally get townreads from, and when I don't. I think you're pretty solidly scum. I also think I have a similar record to Mastin as far as reading you goes (I did mislynch the hell out of you in Scummies), so I can empathize with his position. I have trouble understanding how he's not townreading you at this point.

[Infinite Jesters]

That period should be a comma.

[Infinite Jesters]

Are you even reading Sven?

Bro can't be targeted by any abilities.

I cannot target myself with my ability.

Go read page 1 and my full claim.

Can you please just stop with the bullshit?
Thank you.

You're pretty much just scum who's blatantly doing things to hurt the town, and apparently people are townreading you for it.

It blows my mind. Didn't you claim lovers? Why are you still alive again?

I don't remotely understand how the heck Mastin thinks you're untouchable town.

Advice to improve your scumgame: When you are attacking people and calling them scum and pretending they are a strong scumread, do so consistently, not just when they are attacking you. When you have a strong fake scumread on someone, also attempt to come up with multiple reasons.

[Infinite Jesters]

Um, I don't think that Mastin usually reads me as town when we are both town. See adventure time, pikmin.

I don't think I understand your post.

I acknowledge your point but am not fully convinced by it.

[Infinite Jesters]

I can see mollie being town, I can see serene being town

Can it be so easy that scum is in jordan agar and venmar?

No.

[Infinite Jesters]

What is believable about Serene's claim, exactly?

[Infinite Jesters]

D.B. actually stands for Demonic Bro cop, which is my real role.
Why are you throwing mud on the cop confirmed with the crumbs of a confirmed player???

[Infinite Jesters]

Or DB stands for my real name, David Bryant, which Titus knows because we went to high school together.
Why are you throwing mud om the cop confirmed with the crumbs of a confirmed player???

[Infinite Jesters]

And you thought all of those random I's we're just filler to throw people off? No motherfucker, they were roman numerals standing for the number of times I made love to a prostitute in the hot sun, which double confirms the cop crumb to me because said prostitute was eventually arrested by a cop which is why we stopped making love

[Infinite Jesters]

WHY ARE YOU THROWING MUD ON THE COP DOUBLE CONFIRMED WITH THE CRUMBS OF A CONFIRMED PLAYER????

[Infinite Jesters]

What is believable about Serene's claim, exactly?

I am not putting weight in to the actual claim, since it is meaningless.

I am basing my read on kuribos interaction and some answers.

So you don't actually believe the claim?
Thank god. I almost lost a lot of respect for you, Sven.

[Infinite Jesters]

my favorite part about serene's titus crumbs is that the B (the most important letter that he ignores a bunch of I's to get to) was only in that post because bro x-posted titus in 481.

aka the entire thing is fucking bullshit and they're scum

and so is sven

[Infinite Jesters]

Mollie, what is the scum motivation behind serenes play, what is scum serene trying to achieve?

mist

[Infinite Jesters]

also to mislynch a very strong hydra that already scumread them and will be a problem as the game progresses <-------i mean seriously why did i need to explain this

[Infinite Jesters]

lol nice xpost

[Infinite Jesters]

What is believable about Serene's claim, exactly?

I am not putting weight in to the actual claim, since it is meaningless.

I am basing my read on kuribos interaction and some answers.

So you don't actually believe the claim?
Thank god. I almost lost a lot of respect for you, Sven.

It stands to reason that if i think they are town i think they are cops.

If Titus knew there were double cops, why do you think she didn't flip informed? Partial flips are bastard.

[Infinite Jesters]

Say that serene got bnb lynched and bnb flips town. Who are the next lynches? Its zoraster and serene.

this is why fakegod keeps going on about sanity

[Infinite Jesters]

Sven, have you seen kuribo's scum chart? One of his favorite things to do is claim absolutely ridiculous shit (like DGB and kuribo counter claiming masons in Gay Mafia). It isn't too hard to believe they'd go for a carnival of lunacy claim here as well.

[Infinite Jesters]

Mollie, what is the scum motivation behind serenes play, what is scum serene trying to achieve?

mist

Mist as in confusion?

Okay, because that does not make sense,

Say that serene got bnb lynched and bnb flips town. Who are the next lynches? Its zoraster and serene.

Dont bring that weak fucking "mist" reasoning in here.

Serene gets BnB lynched: "oops, I was sane".
"Oh, and I don't have any other shots left."

[Infinite Jesters]

It seems almost as dumb as FakeGod actually believing what he's posting as town.

[Infinite Jesters]

and if he succeeded in getting bnb lynched today he buys zorast another day and himself at least two, even with us and bnb scumreading them.

are you even trying to think any of this through? it's not that difficult.

pedit: why would you do that? if you believe they're town and believe their claim then you shouldn't have any trouble believing that he is sane and titus was insane? zdenek's crumb was actually more convincing than anything fakegod posted.

why do you think a fakegod whose role-pm implies one cop's results wouldn't be reliable and who has scoured titus' iso to reveal these elaborate crumbs wouldn't have explicitly picked up on titus calling herself insane in a post he used as evidence?

[Infinite Jesters]

I think that if kuribo was a cop and got an innocent on his top scumread, he would react differently.
I think if kuribo was a cop and saw another fake cop claim, he would react differently.
I don't believe FakeGod believes what he's saying.

[Infinite Jesters]

Do I think it's an absolutely horrible move as scum? Yes.
Do I believe "so horrible it's town" when so many pieces of their play don't actually match up with town posting? No.

[Infinite Jesters]

ERM SCUM HAS A NIGHTKILL

scum don't win at night

but you already know that, so...lol

[Infinite Jesters]

I think that if kuribo was a cop and got an innocent on his top scumread, he would react differently.
I think if kuribo was a cop and saw another fake cop claim, he would react differently.
I don't believe FakeGod believes what he's saying.

We're trying to break out of our reputation for being predictable.

Who is this?

[Infinite Jesters]

You're missing my point.
Which is funny because BRO will probably see it.

[Infinite Jesters]

BRO has allready stated that theory isnt your strong game.

mollie isn't even here dipshit

[Infinite Jesters]

It fucking sucks that we're not in the same shift.
I'm obviously town because of mollie and he's confirmed town because of role and we would wreck so much fucking faster if we could just talk in real time.

[Infinite Jesters]

BRO has allready stated that theory isnt your strong game.

mollie isn't even here dipshit

Shhhhh

[Infinite Jesters]

no fuck that, i'm not going to let him dodge my interpretation and question its legitimacy because he mistakenly attributed it to mollie when it couldn't be more obvious that she isn't posting right now.

[Infinite Jesters]

Night shift will lynch zoraster.

I want them to have a chance before the decision is made, because this is some heavy shit. Sorry.

I'm happy to finish sorting Day shift while expecting BRO to sort night shift.
I don't give a shit when we lynch Zoraster, AP stop being a baby.
Your read on Jordan sucks. Your read on AGar seems pretty decent.
What else do you have for me?

[Infinite Jesters]

Sven, they're confirmed town if you believe Serene.

[Infinite Jesters]

I don't think that ika is that town.

[Infinite Jesters]

Sven, they're confirmed town if you believe Serene.

What dont you understand mollie, do i need fucking crayons

EVEN IF SERENE IS TOWN AND COP HE DOESNT KNOW THE ALIGNMENT OF BnB

WHAT ABOUT THIS DONT YOU UNDERSTAND

Zoroaster is confirmed scum.

[Infinite Jesters]

Serene knows BnB has a different alignment to zoraster.

[Infinite Jesters]

Thus, what is BnB?

[Infinite Jesters]

Did they say his sanity was questionable?

[Infinite Jesters]

Sven, talk about people other than Serene, please.

[Infinite Jesters]

IJ, did you people ever get around to looking at the past games I linked for you?

I was in 2 of those games zden so why would I need to look them up

@ brian

I think serene's claim is scum. so is sven but we are leaving him alive cos we can still have 1 scum alive.

you are in my strong townread pile.

I am also not willing to give up my townread on bird people

@ kuribo

binding of isaac is ongoing so can you shut up about it?

[Infinite Jesters]

I am willing to wait for bro and that might be the 1 thing that bird people are doing that I don't like which is not giving bro the hammer when he specifically asks for it.

I think ika is town but neither of my heads are listening to me on that but idc I will just outshout them. will you help sort ika and help me with my other heads? I know where ika is going with this and I think he is town. he is just missing the point is all.

I am glad we have got each other sorted.

in other news

AGAR IS STILL IGNORING ME

[Infinite Jesters]

binding of isaac is ongoing so can you shut up about it?

Now you're just flat out lying, Binding of Isaac ended yesterday.

PS, town lost because you idiots lynched my slot

you were a shell of your former self and then replaced out because you were retiring (and yet here you are!). do you really think you were doing your due diligence in looking town? self-meta about claiming cop d1 isn't enough.

then ssk replaced in, didn't use his action n1 or n2 and lurked the whole game before quickhammering the day before LYLO. he got immediately voted by a townie (that wasn't us!).

but please, continue being fake-mad about this situation and now apparently retracting your claim? lol. not surprised, i've only ever seen a parity cop in a fakegod game which was another point towards it being fake

[Infinite Jesters]

@ kuribo

I never said you were cheating I thought you were mistakenly referencing an ongoing game and I didn't want to sanctioned for it. people mistakenly refer to ongoing games all of the time thinking they are over. I haven't even looked at that game sense tuesday or wednesday, I am on permanent v/la status on weekends. so you can kindly go fuck yourself.

I liked it better when we were getting along and I really don't want to go back to the place where I dislike you. <------ like I really don't.

I will not be around this much this weekend I repeat will not be around much. so you and sven will have to deal with the other heads have fun cos they most defo won't put up with posturing and douchebaggery

[Infinite Jesters]

VOTE: ika

[Infinite Jesters]

then where is your vote agar

[Infinite Jesters]

anyway i have to go eat.

IJ: if you want to talk to me go ahead.

lets talk

[Infinite Jesters]

then where is your vote agar

On Dry-Fit, where it belongs.

If you think that was me doing anything more than making a sarcastic remark about commentary on the game, you really don't know my playstyle. It's usually pretty clear when I think someone is truly scummy and worthy of my vote.

okay

so who are you wanting to vote for

[Infinite Jesters]

did I miss it

[Infinite Jesters]

I am trolling a bit on agar

since he was ignoring me

@ ika

it is mollie where do you want to go with this?

[Infinite Jesters]

UNVOTE:

[Infinite Jesters]

Ika, can you walk me through your change of read on BnB?

I was never fully town reading him to begin with? I never full town read someone unless its mod-confirmed (ie bro), i may give someone a strong town stance but i alwasy keep in the back of my mind that they can be scum. I have played many games where i would stong read someone town and come end of it they would be scum. I am usally not swayed by people opinions unless they are confirmed town. We still have plenty of time to sort things out.

I jsut find it stupid that hes disregarding everyone who is "misreading" him. I want to work with him but if hes just gonna be like this i have no incline to even talk to him.

Anything else?

none of this tells me whether you remotely think he is scum cos it kind of reads as you think he is town (wanting to work with him) but you don't like their playstyle. so why are you voting them?

also that post looks like you are giving yourself a lot of room to hedge on your reads.

[Infinite Jesters]

@ sven

agree with you about that zephyr thing.

I don't like brian's ready offer to lynch bird people to help serene out when if serene is a lyncher that would confirm bird people as town. <--- why would you want to help a lyncher.

I think serene is still incredibly scummy but I am leaving them to my other heads to sort. I did find it funny that kuribo crabs about people gambiting and then proceeds to...gambit.

I didn't like venny's last post.

zden is looking like is genuinely trying to work things out so he moves up to unsure in my list.

[Infinite Jesters]

LOL mine and zed's interaction was more than just a no post. please.

what is this in reference to?

[Infinite Jesters]

3rd party lyncher isn't town dude and it's silly to treat it like town. So you are willing to side with them over us who would be practically obv town if serene were a confirmed lyncher so we'd be trustworthy more than them anyhow. And you would actually consider lynching a townie over their lyncher? The fuck? IDK Brian.

Why do you keep saying you're confirmed town if they're a lyncher? Isn't the alignment of a lyncher's target random?

And 3rd party ISN'T scum. Which means yes, I can trust their reads. They've already nearly completely damaged their shot at winning this game in Episode 1, so their best shot at winning again is to help the town win.

And I've never said I trusted their reads more than you. I read your posts as well. I read Bro's posts. I read Mollie's posts. Pretty much whoever I'm not ignoring each time I read through the thread. So why are you assuming their shit matters more than yours?

holy shit

[Infinite Jesters]

I'm still pretty okay with trading you for scumflips.

Ya this is one of the things that looks like scum-roses. Why do you give 2 shits about Serene's opinion exactly?

Why not? You don't trust that he's capable of finding scum? Do you think he's scum (in which case he could be a usurper and we should be PL'ing you right now)? Would you rather fill this thread with another who knows how many pages of Serene tunneling you with role-related bias?

omg