Mini: 1553 Gone jeeping (game over)

[SiX]

Geez, Do NOT self hammer FFS: Seeing who votes gives way more than a stupid selfhammer--------

[bjc]

Dude, it doesn't matter. I was gonna die anyway and the game was over. Regardless of who hammers, there is no chance town won.

[farside22]

Bjc hammer and comments mean nothing. Scum would hammer Bjc if he was town for the win.
5 players left. 2 are scum.
God if I have to say this one more time I'm going to smoke.

[bjc]

Well go smoke then since you guys are so fucking sure I'm scum.

[farside22]

No I celebrate scum lynching.
Go wifom someone else Bjc. You can't deny facts.

[bjc]

k

[farside22]

Six: you scum?

[SiX]

No.

[farside22]

Do you understand that Bjc is scum confirmed?

[SiX]

I've been trying to formulate myself in the incoming post below, but I just couldn't find the hands-in-hands and words to express it.
This whole incident may be seen from different perspectives.

1.) From this logic, both I and Bjc are mafias:
- Both mafias are trying to pull the strings on lynching Anxiety.
- All the Townfolks are voting Bjc (except Farside, Bjc commiting suicide).
- Doesn't add up, we have been fighting each other thoughout the game and just happened to come to the same conclusion this round and we would most likely continue fighting.

2.) Bjc is Mafia, Six is Town.
- Bjc and I are both voting for Anxiety.
- That would make 1 more mafia somewhere out who could already have saved Bjc and win the game.
- Instead that one mafia pushes for Bjc rather than ending the game.
- The fact that no one is hammering makes either 1.), 3.) or 4.) go in action.

3.) Bjc is Town, SiX is mafia
- Bjc and I are both voting for Anxiety.
- That would make 1 more mafia somewhere out who could
A.) Vote Bjc to kill a villager.
B.) Vote Anxiety to kill a Villager.
- Or I could have switched my vote from Anxiety onto Bjc to end it instead.

4.) There's only 1 Mafia left.
- That could be Bjc.
^ Though Bjc stands out too much and the night kills are too weird coming from him (imo)
- That could be someone pushing for either bandwagon, just hoping to stay alive so he can keep on influencing the last round.
^
A.) Go with the flow on Bjc - safest.
B.) Go against the flow on Anxiety together with someone suspicious - Unsafe, risk of the bandwagon changing direction and the mafia himself will be lynched.

[farside22]

I'm going to get drunk off my ass.

[SiX]

Oh, surprise?

Bjc - DBK, BJC
Anxiety - Bjc, SiX

Not voting:
Farside, Anxiety

Means you ain't dead yet Bjc, sorry to disappoint

[SiX]

Oh, nvm thaty. seems like Farside voted Long ago.
Then the lynch is on Bjc afterall I suppose.

[jmo16mla]

Official Vote Count

bjc (3): farside22, Does Bo Know, bjc

Not Voting

(2): 4nxi3ty, SiX

With 5 alive, it takes 3 to lynch.

Oh, what a climax! Congratulations!
BJC was a vanilla townie. It's now night.

[jmo16mla]

This will open shortly.

[jmo16mla]

Night? What? Whats going on eh?

You see 4nxi3ty,

Vanilla Townie

fall to the ground.

You see SiX jump in excitement as his shot was sucessful in killing 4nxiety..

Suddenly you hear another shot, SiX clutches is chest as blood begins to run through his fingers down to the ground... SiX,

mafia goon

is dead.

Whats going on? what?



Does Bo Know,

Serial Killer

is victorious.

[Thesp]

Good game, all. Well played, Does Bo Know. I had pegged you as SK when you practically said "wait, no, two shot", but there was squat-all we could do about it.

I'd be interested to hear why the mafia didn't kill power roles (especially Does Bo Know later and pisskop earlier) until late.

[SiX]

Soloing all the way from R1 was near to impossible. Taking it this far though feels like a victory.

Well played Vigilante.

[jmo16mla]

SiX, you were so close man.

[farside22]

I was really surprised that Six did not shot at Bo. I mean seriously 2 scum team, there was a vig claim that should have been a red flag.

I really thought Six was town there but when he pointed out only one scum member left in the game that was a flag that was missed.

So freekin tired of people calling me scum with bjc for no reason.

[SiX]

Oh Farside, I had planned to turn you and Bo against each other with this arguement:

Ha-ha...

How obvious that either

DBK

and

Farside

is the last

mafia

now. Your vote(s) will without a doubt tell me which is which.
Just for the record,

don't go right onto lynching me whoever of you is the villager without having read the below first.

From what I posted before it puts point

#4

into action. That means there's

only 2 mafias in the game.

Only 2 mafias with 13 players in it, that would make

11 players Villagers, a 2-Shot Vigilante, a Doctor and a Neighborizor included.

The fact that the first mafia who died, Neil in this case was just a plain Mafia Goon, shouldn't that increase the chance of adding a

strong role as Mafia

, eg a commonly used

Neighborizor

for village converted into a Mafia to fool the average game or a

2-shot Strongman

(DBK, claiming Vigilante.)
Seriously, a 13-Player mafia game balanced with

3 Power-roles and 8 Vanilla Townies versus 2 plain Goons are too absurb to be close to the truth.

Not to mention that it surprises me that the "Vigilante"

hasn't been nightkilled

yet. He was obviously recruited by the Neighborizor and a main role amongst the village corporation.
Yet he's allowed to

chat with the Neighborizor

all night long to plan the next day, and heck even killing

2 Villagers

at a so early point where nothing was clear. Heck, he claimed Vigilante Round 1 when he yet didn't need to (5 was on lynching him).

On the same accord it also surprises me about

Farside not being shot.

Farside has imo been the

Townleader

throughout the game. Did the "Vigilante" not require killing her, due to the posibility of using her?
Or is it that the "Vigilante" is actually the Vigilante and the Neighborizor is a scum neighborizor taking advantage of the kills being made. Eg the suggestion of Thesp's death.

It's too freaking obvious this, yet it's too chaotic to figure out who's the mafia. Just as Bjc, I've been set up throughout the game. This isn't an excuese for my wrongful leads against eg Anxiety last round which was proven tonight.
Also, the Villager out there. Keep in mind that the following:

Mafia shooting Anxiety

- Good, easier lynching Six over Anxiety.

Mafia shooting SiX

- Bad, Six would be the winning mislynch since he's been suspected for a while just like Bjc.

Mafia shooting the fellow Neighborizor

- Bad, he needs him / her to lynch SiX.

Throughout the game both of you have also lead multiple villagers to their deaths through lynching. The death on Neil was firstly(Good) voted by Farside but the

L-A-S-T(Bad)

vote were put by DBK. Did he posible wait to see what would come out of it but at last decided to put the vote? The villagers: Eg Kreacher R2, Huntress R3 and although I should mention Bjc at R4 I'm not going to be a hypocrite here since I tried the same the round before.

I really hope that the the last villager will make the right choice here...

[farside22]

Good game, all. Well played, Does Bo Know. I had pegged you as SK when you practically said "wait, no, two shot", but there was squat-all we could do about it.

I'd be interested to hear why the mafia didn't kill power roles (especially Does Bo Know later and pisskop earlier) until late.

Like I said the doc alive is WIFOM. people were suspicious of Pisskop's awful play.
I was more surprised Six didn't shot at Bo last night more then anything.

EBWOP: I would have said time for no lynch. I told DBK last night I thought he was a SK and he would probably be shot. Two mafia in a game without something is way too suspcious not to think DBK was the SK at that point.

[Thesp]

Good game, all. Well played, Does Bo Know. I had pegged you as SK when you practically said "wait, no, two shot", but there was squat-all we could do about it.

I'd be interested to hear why the mafia didn't kill power roles (especially Does Bo Know later and pisskop earlier) until late.

Like I said the doc alive is WIFOM. people were suspicious of Pisskop's awful play.
I was more surprised Six didn't shot at Bo last night more then anything.

EBWOP: I would have said time for no lynch. I told DBK last night I thought he was a SK and he would probably be shot. Two mafia in a game without something is way too suspcious not to think DBK was the SK at that point.

Yeah, but the doc won't get lynched until much later in the game, and has a real chance of blocking a kill. (Though admittedly, since pisskop was pretty open about people he didn't trust who were also likely to be town, as well as who his very town reads were, it may have nerfed his effectiveness.) And the people who thought pisskop might be scum were the people they killed. (?)

[SiX]

Though I enjoyed the game throughout, the challenges and all that followed I'm still abit down with the weak mafia team.
The fact that there were only 2 Mafias, and in addition Goons. Could have been a 1-shot Strongman or something like that to balance the game.

About Bo's eventual death, I wouldn't have gained anything from shooting him this late game. I had no option but to stick with the chance of him actually being the Vigilante to get either him or you Farside lynched.
And should he have really been the Serial killer, his death wouldn't have favoured my wincon to rid the town. All me shooting him would have been a double death, making the entire town victorious.

Still, thanks for hosting the game Jmo16mla!

[Thesp]

As an aside, I hate hate hate the Neighborizer role. (That's neither here nor there, though, and says nothing of how farside22 played it.)