Micro 322 - Managerial Merry Go Round Mafia

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/confirm

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I need to find Jose Mourinho. I was told they're town.

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I need to find Jose Mourinho. I was told they're town.

About that. We're not doing flavor claims just yet.

I'm not asking for flavor claims. I was given information, and I am sharing it. Knowing who Jose Mourinho is would give us one less person in the lynch pool.

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if Snork is willing to guarantee you being town or flips town somewhere, it's wise to just shut up about your flavor just yet.

Why? Scum have to choose to confirm Mourinho by killing me, or killing Mourinho when he claims, or going for a threatening PR. In what world is having a confirmed townie on D1 bad?

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VOTE: Eek

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Contrary to popular belief, more info helps town more than it helps scum.

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Tier and Aronis are pretty town imo.

Not liking sthar at all.

I didn't actually know this was a bastard game lol... I suppose that changes things.

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I don't really get why you think "I need to find Jose Mourinho" means the same thing as "HEY ERRBDY LETS ALL CLAIM"... Like, I get that there's not much to go after in RVS, but making that kind of leap is wild.

I liked Tier and Aronis' response to my statement. I felt it came from comfortable town rather than opportunistic scum. Eek's response, on the other hand, didn't really give me good feels. It felt like he was trying to seem town by forcefully objecting to Jose Mourinho claiming. In actuality, it came off really fake.

Sthar's entrance was just lame, and I didn't like that he had time to make a post AND a response, but couldn't be arsed to plop a vote or poke at anyone. Seemed kind of cautious, and like he wanted to avoid RVS, and the whole "I NEED TO CLAIM TODAY" just was like... wut?? Especially since we've been

talking about people claiming

and then he acts like he hasn't read and he's too busy.

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In the world where that townie is the cop and/or mafia had 2 or more kills

This is not realistic.

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Yeah eek is scum. I'm town and that push on my thoughts about sthar is so shitty.

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Yeah eek is scum. I'm town and that push on my thoughts about sthar is so shitty.

So you think eek is scum because he said your thoughts were not town oriented?

I don't get it.

Not at all. Instead of asking me about it like others did, he makes a judgment without even interacting with me. That tells me he's just trying to get doubt planted rather than actually figure me out. You don't make conclusions first and then ask questions.

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And how can my thoughts not be town oriented if I'm freakin town? Like that doesn't even make sense.

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Since that is 100% true. Right now I have no proof you are town

I know you don't, but I do, and that's my point about Eek. Because

I know

my alignment, I know that he's pushing town, and I know he's doing it in an opportunistic way.

I didn't ask him for explanations or reasons because I asked him to clarify what his stances were on me and sthar ...

No you didn't? Show me where you asked me to clarify

before

you decided I was scum for my opinion.

... because his posts didn't have any indication of them (go back and read them). On the contrary, they were empty statements that were just mudslinging in the case of sthar.

Um... "I don't like" usually means "I don't think this post is town". They were not empty statements or mudslinging. In fact, I explained exactly why I didn't like them.

You can call it mudslinging all you want, but I don't think you understand the meaning of that word, since that's what you're doing to me. You're making blanket statements about my posts and telling people to "go back and read them" without bothering to

actually ask me why I think X or what my thought process is in regards to it

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You aren't scum hunting; you're just passing judgment. There's a difference between investigating by inquiry to formulate a conclusion and forming a conclusion in order to create an effect.

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Aronis, why are you asking about the number of scum? It's not even relevant right now.

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the whole "I NEED TO CLAIM TODAY" just was like... wut?? Especially since we've been talking about people claiming and then he acts like he hasn't read and he's too busy.

Eek, are you reading my posts or what?

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I don't understand what "wut" would mean. Is that a "wut"-scummy or "wut"-townish or a "wut"-idk? Hence me asking you to call a cat a cat.

Surely you have more to say about his "IN2C" than a simple "wut". Do you think it's made from a town pov or a scum one?

What situations would you use the word "What?" with that kind of inflection ("wut")? In situations where someone says something ridiculous and you don't understand why it was said or what it means.

I feel like you are picking on semantics, which is unnecessary and scummy. You get what the hell I'm saying, and if you don't then you need to ask, rather than playing word games and pretending like "call a cat a cat" is asking a question that any normal person would understand.

p-edit: I have enough experience. It doesn't matter, does it? My alignment is not dependent on my experience with mafia.

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I don't understand what "wut" would mean. Is that a "wut"-scummy or "wut"-townish or a "wut"-idk? Hence me asking you to call a cat a cat.

Surely you have more to say about his "IN2C" than a simple "wut". Do you think it's made from a town pov or a scum one?

What situations would you use the word "What?" with that kind of inflection ("wut")? In situations where someone says something ridiculous and you don't understand why it was said or what it means.

I feel like you are picking on semantics, which is unnecessary and scummy. You get what the hell I'm saying, and if you don't then you need to ask, rather than playing word games and pretending like "call a cat a cat" is asking a question that any normal person would understand.

I didn't understand. I do now. I don't agree.

p-edit: I have enough experience. It doesn't matter, does it? My alignment is not dependent on my experience with mafia.

Not your alignment, no, but your reaction to a slight push might have been indicative of your alignment. And how you react depends on your experience with games like this and I thought the role madness might have made you paranoid. But that is apparantly not an issue.

I'm actually ignoring the setup cuz it doesn't help me at this point. I understand people all have PRs, which gives us a good, level playing field to sort people. PRs often look scummy because they are also hiding something. We don't have that here. I don't know why role madness should make me paranoid though? You should judge my reaction based on whatever you think of my responses. If it seems like I know what I'm doing, then think that. If it seems like I don't, then think that. It really doesn't matter to me tbqh. I don't feel that my experience with the game is relevant. I know my alignment and I know what I'm looking for, and I know to share it when I find it.

p-edit: LYING!

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And I thought you were a newbie who got his first PR, which would explain your reactions to my slight pushing imo.

It couldn't be that I think your push is scummy, baseless, and full of falsehoods? Because I do.

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Eek, your attention on Tier seems really forced, especially the complacent discourse you're currently maintaining with him.

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I didn't find Sthar's entry posts to be appropriate. I want him to post more.

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Eek, your attention on Tier seems really forced, especially the complacent discourse you're currently maintaining with him.

Because it is. I wanted to get a read on him by having a wagon because we synced awesomely during a few games. I didn't suspect him when I voted him. At this point, I feel he's town.

Ok but pressuring someone to get a read on them doesn't really work if you tell them you are doing it to get a read on them. So this all feels rather staged.

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ZZ what's your plan?

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Mk. I will ask again later though.

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What are you guys talking about?? I'd really rather keep off-site stuff out of this game, if you don't mind. Offer a link and then move on. Right now I cannot follow what you all are talking about because there's no reference and it is not helping me read you.

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Completely irrelevant noise, imo.

Weigh in on Eek/TierShift performance, please.

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No, i think that stuff looks scummy and want to see more to see if it was from scum or confused town.

This?

Well, I don't understand what you're saying with this. What do you think of the entire interaction? What do you think it says about Eek? About TierShift? Why?

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ZZ, is that based on the interaction or based on your read of each of them individually?

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Eek's 'pressuring' you and interactions feel non-genuine/scummy.

ZZZX MaYbE trying to help? Idk, we'll see.

Hopkirk feels town.

I can't figure out Snork. :/

We haven't talked at all yet.

I agree about Eek's TierShift "pressure", especially the explaining of it.

What do you mean by ZZ trying to help? Help who? With what?

What about Hopkirk "feels town"? I personally don't know about Hopkirk; I have to ISO him when I get home cuz nothing he's said particularly stands out for me.

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Getting where, Sthar? To voting for Eek?

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No... not obviously. When this

Can we get some more Eek votes in?

came just before this

Tier I'm getting there between doing my job and blowing little bits of my brain out through my nose. Be patient please.

don't act like my interpretation was redonkulous.

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Help who though? Help with what?

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Not sure what the VC is currently, but that's too many too soon.

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Oh really sthar? Those are the only two options? Quite the false dichotomy, since neither of those fit the situation at all.

That was my first understanding of those two posts, or I wouldn't have commented on it.

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That is what I'm doing. I'm waiting. And when you post, I respond. Why are you so defensive?

p-edit: I did. Read again. It's there. In the last sentence.

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Help who though? Help with what?

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Not sure what the VC is currently, but that's too many too soon.

The town!

Yes, "the town" is implied. I'm asking for specifics. You said you thought his posts seemed like he was trying to help.

Help WHO.. as in, who did you think he was supporting with his input?

Help WITH WHAT.. as in what specific topic was he helping with?

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What do I freakin need to explain? I'm town reading him.

WHYYYYYYYYYYYYY??????

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What do I freakin need to explain? I'm town reading him.

WHYYYYYYYYYYYYY??????

BECAUSE HE IS TOWN!

HOW DO YOU KNOW THIS?

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Well IMO he wasn't being that helpful. He seems genuine-ish, thus the slight townread.

Are you kidding me dude...

You just said he seemed helpful...

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I can't even...

VOTE: Aronis

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Snork, where did aronis say zzzx was helpful? I only see 'tried to help'.

Are you fucking kidding me? You're seriously going to argue the semantics between "being helpful" and "trying to help"??

Get outta here.

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That is what I'm doing. I'm waiting. And when you post, I respond. Why are you so defensive?

p-edit: I did. Read again. It's there. In the last sentence.

Thar falls under 'bad parsing.'

And I'm not defensive, I'm annoyed. Because I'm having a shitty day at work and I'm sick

and you're being a hyperaggressive little prick.

Which is annoying.

Am I stuck in asshole gear? Probably. But right now I don't give a fuck.

I'm going home early, so I'll do the notes dump when I get there.

I'm really sorry you're having a bad day, I really am. I'm not trying to be annoying lol.. but the bolded made me laugh. I guess I don't know what "bad parsing" means.

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Snork, where did aronis say zzzx was helpful? I only see 'tried to help'.

Are you fucking kidding me? You're seriously going to argue the semantics between "being helpful" and "trying to help"??

Get outta here.

There's a distinct difference.

Well I'm the one that used the phrasing "being helpful" so it does

not

make a difference to what I'm asking him, which is what he thought zz was trying to help with, or how he was trying to help, or why he though zz was "trying to help".

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So, I attack you, you attack me. That is summation of your notes? What about the rest of the players in the game.... ?

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And you're wrong and pretty much all of that by the way. I'll attribute it to your illness and bad mood for now.

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And you're wrong

on

pretty much all of that by the way. I'll attribute it to your illness and bad mood for now.

Typo.

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And 118 was a joke I thought you would get but you obviously did not.

Feel better, all the same.

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What do I freakin need to explain? I'm town reading him.

WHYYYYYYYYYYYYY??????

BECAUSE HE IS TOWN!

HOW DO YOU KNOW THIS?

May I ask you one question
I have 3 games here already done... You didn't even bother to try to meta me and are trying to push the vote on me at any cost? I am really confused.

Also I am trying what I can atm. But cant really do much yet.

What are you talking about? Aronis made a statement and I asked him to explain himself.

Also, do you expect everyone you play with to read your past games? You shouldn't. Some people don't use cold meta.

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Why would town unvote their scum read as soon as he reaches L-2?

Maybe because there are a few people I haven't interacted with yet and I'm not ready to end the day like that?

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Tier do you have any scum reads?

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Why would town unvote their scum read as soon as he reaches L-2?

Maybe because there are a few people I haven't interacted with yet and I'm not ready to end the day like that?

Not to mention a person getting to L-2 so quickly is a little bothersome.

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Why would town unvote their scum read as soon as he reaches L-2?

Maybe because there are a few people I haven't interacted with yet and I'm not ready to end the day like that?

You're kind of obsessed with this interaction thing. What's your opinion on hannah claiming to have read the thread but not showing it?

Interaction helps me get reads. Reading interactions between other people help but it's much better when I'm involved because I know my alignment so it gives me an idea of what the other person might be doing.

So far I don't like the prod dodging but it is null at this point. If she doesn't start producing soon I will be more concerned.

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Did I miss anyone?

Yes.

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Eek, Why would you laugh at that? Interaction is important and if you think otherwise you are more of a newbie than you must think I am.

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No... I'm at work and mobile.. so majority of my posting is morning, lunch, and after I get home. I'm sure other people have similar limitations with school or whatnot.

As for me, I'm rereading what we've got so far. I was focused on Eek and sthar, so I want to take a closer look at others when I get home.

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Uninspired=/=underrepresented. From the way he presents his reads, he doesn't convince me. It just seems like he throws reads out for the sake of throwing reads out.

Why would I need to convince you of my townreads? It's not like any of them are in danger of getting lynched.

Maybe I posted notes in the interest of process transparency? Or as an exercise in analysis as I read the thread? Or to get Snork to stop pissing on my leg?

FWIW, I think you're town. The whole "notes" thing was very nice, even if you were distracted by my hyperagressive prickishness

Maybe I'm not voting because I know I'm going to reset the vote count and gain information at some point during this phase?

@Snork- I got that it was a joke. The question is whether it was inspired by playing or watching a game with the Lying Cat.

Maybe neither. \o/ Who knows. I didn't mean it, in any case. I was just fucking with you.

Hop's vote interests me.

My only actual scumread right now is Snork, and I'm perfectly willing to admit that it's based on less-than-sane reasons.

Good, cuz it's wrong.

I'm totally down to shoot kop or hannah, obviously. Do you guys have a preference? I'm leaning kop atm, but I could also flip a coin. I'm planning on shooting early tomorrow or Sunday. I'd like everybody to chime in with their preferences before then.

Blech. Both of them are dead weight wastes of player slots and I would be happy with either.

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kop is.

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Sthar, you know, I think it might be better to wait until after we get more information first. I know your shot will reset the votes but that doesn't mean no one should vote. Voting gives us an impression of people's intentions. Take that away and we're just sort of sitting here stagnating while we discuss which of the lurkers you want to shoot.

At this moment, my town list consists of you, Aronis and ZZ. Hannah/kop are unknowns, and I need to read Hopkirk. Right now I don't even know anything he's said. I must have completely ignored it when I was talking to Eek.

Eek and TierShift are sort of, in a category of their own for me. I didn't like the conversation they had about reading each other, and liked the resolution of it even less. It seemed really staged to me and I would not be surprised if they were both scum.

More specifically on TS, every opinion is very.. fence-sitty, and complacent. No real strong reads, or opinions. No one is scummy and no one is townie.

You listed some town reads yesterday, and I actually would like to ask if you would mind reading the few pages we have again and giving me your honest impressions?

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Because everyone has a job to do and lurkers are not contributing to that job. Regardless of the setup, regardless of the balance, regardless of whether it's bastard or not, this is still a game of mafia.

If the lurkers are town, that means that, in terms of influence, the mafia have a greater percentage of influence over the lynches and perception of those lynches. D1 is often a mislynch anyway. It's rarely a scum lynch unless the scum severely slip.

Who would you rather dispose of early? An active player who will produce content or a no-posting lurksack?

Who would you prefer to have in or near LYLO? An active person who, whether town or scum, will be able to provide information to be analyzed, or someone who has not provided any information and will likely continue to not provide any information?

They are taking up a slot someone who gives a shit could be in. They are not helping. If they are town, they are saying, "It's not important to me that I'm allowing scum to run this game." And if they're scum, good. Fuck em.

#ZeroTolerance

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This isn't lylo it's 3 days in.
It's not really bad lurking at this stage as the players in question have said they're reading.
It's basically a policy lynch on someone who has said nothing without giving a chance to do so which gives us no information.

You're not understanding. If you want to wait until LYLO, then be my guest, but all the town who have any chance of actually catching the scum will be dead and all that will be left are the lurkers who don't give a fuck.

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And no one is saying shoot and lynch right now today. They have plenty of opportunity to get it together.

But if they don't... I will not cry at their loss.

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In that case, sthar, I recommend you hold off your shot till 2 days to deadline or something like that.

I think shooting people that are lurkers atm is a bad idea since they may get active since they promised, or get replaced.
If they're still lurking close to deadline I'd say shoot em.

Yeah this. I agree 100%.

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I find Tier's reads and opinions way too mild for town.

VOTE: TierShift

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Plus Hopkirk looks possible, and Tier's defense of him would be telling should he flip scum.

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I'm back. Catching up from the weekend and will post this afternoon.

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Why, after getting reads from everyone and agreeing that Hannah would be a good choice, did you shoot someone else?

VOTE: Sthar8

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Yes I do. I've seen a scum dayvig in non-bastard games. Why would this be any different?

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Because he told us? Agreed to be chained? And then shot someone different? Because you decided to make a post... that wasn't even significant...

BS. We had all decided on shooting between you and kop and he shot.. neither. Why?

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http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=31652

This is one of several. It is not common, but it's not rare either.

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Here's the player's role/flip: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 5#p5539475

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I also find the false dichotomy from hannah both irritating and scummy.

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I'm a 1-shot hider. No kills mean either scum were blocked or I was the target.

Sthar kills people who suspect him. Go check all of his previous scum games. Anyone who suspected him ended up dead the next day. I suspected him at the end of the day. I hid. No one died.

VOTE: Sthar

Also, I hid behind Eek, who is now confirmed town because I would have otherwise died. yay eek

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Aronis is lynchbait and you completely ignored my post. Why?

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I think Aronis should tell us what result he got and then we should lynch him.

Aaand... this makes no sense. If you think he's scum, then his "results" are WIFOM and useless to you. You act like you want to hear his results, yet you vote him in the same post. So why exactly do you even care about his results? The answer is that you don't. You just want to LOOK like you care, you just want to LOOK like you're planning to take it into consideration. But in reality, you're not.

Damn. I didn't think I'd find another scum today.

And I thought you were town.

p-edit: lol... k.

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Are you dumb? If you tracked me you wouldnt get a result because you cant target me. Go read the wiki. Hider

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While Hiding, the Hider itself is considered an ineligible target for actions - all actions that target the Hider specifically will fail.

P-edit: yeah.. trust me about sthar. And now tier as well.

If you are one-shot I think it's already used, unfortunately. You'd have to check whether "fail" means it's used or not.

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Oh i see what you're asking.

Yes. Eek is confirmed town.

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Lynch Sthar after my flip!

GO TOWN!

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Also, if you're town, you suck

Tier and Sthar. If not Sthar, it's Hannah. But Tier might as well be confscum.

byeeee

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Oh nothing else to say me Sthar?

lol you're such a scum bucket and I can read you like a book.

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Good thing Guyett is a drunk Irishman and (hopefully) may not reset for a bit.

Town

: ZZZX, Eek, Kop

Probably town

: Aronis

Scum

: Tier and one of {Sthar, Hannah}

I would suggest a mass claim after you lynch today, but soon. Claim your targets, why you chose them, and your results. At this point, info is so beneficial to town and will help you find the fake ones.

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Also confirming that I asked if my ability would kill me if used on scum, and it does.

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Eek is confirmed town and if possible protect him tonight. You'll need him tomorrow. IF you have a protective ability you are still able to use, do not fucking claim that shit until LYLO.

Also, another thought that just occurred to me, and supports ScumSthar, maybe scum don't have a night kill? That's why he's "compulsive" lol

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Either way, sthar pretty likely to be scum. If he was town, he would have questioned me before shooting.

He just trying to shut me up.

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Afterall, I'm a hyperaggressive little prick

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I think Aronis should tell us what result he got and then we should lynch him.

VOTE: Aronis

Reads tomorrow prolly.

GUYS please please please look at this post really hard, ok? I know I didn't explain what I meant as clearly as I would have liked, but this is a fucking scum claim if I ever saw one.

p-edit: ah well i see then.

Trust me, Sthar. You love me.

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Obviously mod is a lying bastard.

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Goddammit I think I just figured this game out. Fucking fuck Sthar.

You wasted your shot.

Aronis is unlynchable!? Or maybe only on D1. That would be cool.

ARONIS

CLAIM YOUR INFOZ PRETTY PLEASE

P-EDIT: No Tier. If you were town, you'd want to hear the claim to judge it's validity. His alignment should be unknown to you and subject to doubt. You have shown none in the very fact that you are voting for him before he has even posted today.

And now you're saying you don't lynch a claimed PR on D1, yet you knew it was plurality and didn't vote someone else?

BULL. SHIT.

lol.. why scum so bad in this game?

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Also this.

VOTE: TierShift

It's a tasty lynch.

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Eat the biggest dick.

I don't think I'll have enough room in my sig for all your wonderful compliments.

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Sthar not a single good town will basically shoot someone as soon as they call them out

He was lying for reactions. It was a good move. He can wait another day. Tier is a better lynch.

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And now you're saying you don't lynch a claimed PR on D1, yet you knew it was plurality and didn't vote someone else?

BULL. SHIT.

I did, actually.

You know the biggest wagon was on hannah right?

No. It wasn't.

Votecount 1.10

Aronis(3): TierShift, Kop, ZZZX

Not voting (5) : sthar8, hannah26, Aronis, , Snork, My Milked Eek

With 8 alive it takes 5 to lynch

Deadline in (expired on 2014-04-16 20:00:00)

Votecount 1.11

Aronis (3): TierShift, Kop, ZZZX
Sthar8 (1): Snork

Not voting (4) : sthar8, hannah26, Aronis, My Milked Eek

With 8 alive it takes 5 to lynch

Deadline in (expired on 2014-04-16 20:00:00)

Votecount 1.11

Aronis (4): TierShift, Kop, ZZZX, My Milked Eek
Sthar8 (1): Snork

Not voting (3) : sthar8, hannah26, Aronis,

With 8 alive it takes 5 to lynch

Deadline in (expired on 2014-04-16 20:00:00)

Votecount 1.11

Aronis (2): TierShift, Kop
Sthar8 (1): Snork
Hannah26 (3): Aronis, My Milked Eek, ZZZX

Not voting (3) : sthar8, hannah26

With 8 alive it takes 5 to lynch

Deadline in (expired on 2014-04-16 20:00:00)

You're lying scum. Now hang.

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See I knew you were a secret alt. Thanks for the confirmation.

Since you're presumably familiar with my scumgame, you should already be aware that I prioritize kills to threats. And you're definitely not a threat right now.

It's possible that the mod is lying, or we might have seen some kind of one-shot ability. Or he might have fucked up, we're all (mostly) human.

I have a light townread on snork now. He's probably correct about Tier.

I am not an alt.

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Tier, you were still voting Aronis, despite saying not to lynch claimed PR.

You were voting Aronis all day long.

So... Hannah getting one more vote at deadline doesn't prove your point in the least.

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And yet you vote him right away before he even posted...

lol

My case on you had nothing to do with you voting him yesterday. You're the one who brought that up in an attempt to derail the truth of what I'm saying about your 506.

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Tier he SAID that's what he was going to use. Don't act like you're all surprised and in disbelief now.

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Wiuth the [youtube] tags, Z. Just use the numbers at the end. Liek this:



Sthar - I'm no hydra

And... my "diction"?

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Yes. It's accurate and mod is fucking with us.

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No Sthar.

I have a result. I'll explain later.

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So that's cool. They can't kill us all!

Tier
Hannah
Sthar8
Aronis

From top to bottom, in order of scummiest to least.

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I'm not sure I understand what you mean, Z

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Translate for me?

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Ah! Ok I understand. I agree with the logic.

I'm also having doubts about Sthar. A lot actually. The fake shot was well played and something far more useful for town than scum. I just don't see scum bothering with that when someone is pushing them - I think they'd be focused on defending and attacking back. His reactions to me pushing him don't line up with his scum games - he's more agreeable there.

So, we're basically looking at Tier and Hannah then. It can't be that easy?

p-edit: You read my mind

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Voyeur is a reverse watcher. The voyeur learns what actions were performed TO the target but not who performed them (watcher sees who but not what).

You claim that Aronis is lying because you targeted him and got no result. So because no one targeted HIM for an action, he's lying about using his...? lol...

You've been caught in a lie and keep trying to backpedal out of it. I actually find it kind of amusing.

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Voyeur is a reverse watcher. The voyeur learns what actions were performed TO the target but not who performed them (watcher sees who but not what).

You claim that Aronis is lying because you targeted him and got no result. So because no one targeted HIM for an action, he's lying about using his...? lol...

You've been caught in a lie and keep trying to backpedal out of it. I actually find it kind of amusing.

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He never claimed to be blocked.

What he said was that the mod wouldn't answer him. Lie detectors need to choose a valid post to lie detect. He did not and therefore the mod said he couldn't answer it.

Secondly, if he was JAILKEPT, neither of you would receive a result.

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The fact that you choose to "believe" he is lying, despite everything that's been said, is very telling.

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Pretty sure Z is not scum.

Hannah definitely is though. Unlynchable until D4? That's not a town role at all.

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Post 653 is pretty good Sthar. I'm wary of Aronis though - he seems like lynchbait.

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Omg are you kidding me? Why are you even here Hannah?? You haven't done anything but prod dodge and make excuses.

VOTE: Hannah

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Haha calm down Snork, you say it like you've been the most active player in here.... You have been on me the whole game.

What drugs are you smoking?

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This is the first time I've ever voted for you Hannah. So exactly how have I "been on you the whole game"? Do explain.

Actually, don't. You're useless and blatantly so. That entire post said nothing. Absolutely nothing. No reads, no opinions, no constructive analysis, fucking nothing.

If you're town you should have gotten the fuck out a long time ago. That time has passed, and since you haven't, I'm positive it's because you're scum trying to coast without actually doing anything.

And for the record, Tier is scummy as fuck but his defense of himself is pretty townie. That has been giving me a lot of doubt lately. It's Hannah and someone else. Maybe Aronis. Maybe Sthar.

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What about Tier's defense is town like?? Surely that should just cement his guilt, it does mine...

Defending oneself is not alignment indicative. It's the way the person does it.

The difference between his defense and yours is that his defense comes with evidence from the thread whereas yours is just OMGUS.

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I'm hiding behind you.

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^5 Eek

What's the vote count at? I'm ready to vote Tier. Hannah is still scum imo, but let's take care of Tier today.

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@mod, TS shows 4 votes with 3 people. Is that correct?

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Ok.

Was gonna hammer with this post and Sthar beat me to L-1.

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I meant vote with that post.. nevermind.

Hammering on my next.

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I dunno what that means but I have a feeling it has something to do with dicks.

VOTE: TierShift

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Sthar why the phallic obsession dude...

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I knew it.

ME TOO!

*dancing*

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lol... maf governor and failed lynch...

VOTE: Hannah

Game. Set. Match.

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Aaaaaaaaand that's lynch.

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Can I not drink in peace?

NEVAR!

GOOD JOB GUYS!! WHOOOO!!

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My Milked Eek - Pep Guardiola: Double Voter

LOL YOU'RE SUCH A LIAR HAHAHA

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Surprisingly balanced imo - awesome modding, Guyett!! This was great fun. Thanks!

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Guyett can you post the night actions? And can we see mafia QT?

Also, sthar - it was necessary and worked in our favor bigtime!

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Where are you signing up next Sthar

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After reading a few of snork's post it gave a town vibe but...

I feel he is

hiding

something about the game setup which can be only known if he was scum.

Explain

Lololololol

Oh yeah the Jose Mourinho thing

lol...

I just wanted to see what people said. I really don't like RVS.

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LMFAO that maf QT is hilarious