Mini 1563 - Vampire: The Masquerade Mafia (Fourth Evening)

[vonflare]

LOVE HOW HE COMES BACK, AFTER NOT POSTING FOR A LONG WHILE, THEN POSTS MORE UNHELPFUL STUFF.
I DONT CARE IF YOU ARE SICK
PLEASE POST CONTENT.

It wasn't unhelpful. it was a vote. votes are town's only tool. If you think votes are unhelpful, well, then town would never win.

[Kagami]

Does what MD flips matter for Aronis's evaporation? Do you see them as scum buddies? If not, what is the reason for Aronis's evaporation when MD flips scum?

A less aggravated version of LLD-Syndrome. Honestly, he's on that list where I find myself not really

caring

as much about scum or not scum and more just wanting to indulge in the baser desires of murdering chaff.

We're about as fragmented and twirly as possible for an L-1 wagon. I can't get a bite *rimshot* into this game yet and its got slogitis WAY more than a game 18 pages in should.

We need to get back behind a plan and then just fuckin let that go to town and get to work on the murdering part. I need help sorting the masses out because there's some good reads but not ENOUGH at this point.

I wouldn't call it slogitis... If it weren't for the need to organize the diablerie, there would be a lynch already. The current consensus seems to be LLD, but I'd feel a little more comfortable with agreement or outright rejection from SG and d3x. My nom preferences have slightly changed:

1. LLD
2. Aronis
3. Katsuki


mnem, you should claim.

[Aronis]

I really don't want Katsuki to get it. I'm still OK with LLD.

[vonflare]

The current consensus seems to be LLD, but I'd feel a little more comfortable with agreement or outright rejection from SG and d3x. My nom preferences have slightly changed:

1. LLD
2. Aronis
3. Katsuki


mnem, you should claim.

"The current consensus seems to be LLD"? by who's decree?

You are townreading Aronis?

The only part of your post I agree with is the MnemD claim.

[Aronis]

LLD's.

It's more of a general town consensus.

[Kagami]

"The current consensus seems to be LLD"? by who's decree?

You are townreading Aronis?

The only part of your post I agree with is the MnemD claim.

Diab opinions thus far:

Aronis, LLD, spyrex, displaced, and myself are ok with LLD diab.
d3x prefers kthx, d3x, or squirrel. Squirrel wants to sheep d3x.

[Squirrel Girl]

I'll jump on the LLD bandwagon.

ArcAngel
Kthxbye
vonflare
The Goodfather
Katsuki

The above should weigh in with agreement or vile opposition and a counter suggestion.

[Squirrel Girl]

Didn't fix MD for Goodfather. ...but then, MD is probably dead in any case, so no one cares who he'll vote.

[Kthxbye]

Im fine with LL having it. Hell no to the Kat and Aronis suggestions.

I actually would be ok with SG having it as wel

[Squirrel Girl]

I feel like you're trying to give it to town reads, which somewhat defeats the purpose of the thing.

I'm okay with giving it to Lambda because I don't particularly have a town read on her.

[d3x]

I'll be on later tonight to catch up.

[mnemonicdevice]

LOVE HOW HE COMES BACK, AFTER NOT POSTING FOR A LONG WHILE, THEN POSTS MORE UNHELPFUL STUFF.
I DONT CARE IF YOU ARE SICK
PLEASE POST CONTENT.

It wasn't unhelpful. it was a vote. votes are town's only tool. If you think votes are unhelpful, well, then town would never win.

Um... Votes AND posting are town's tools. Not explaining a vote is unhelpful

Here is my claim, which you probably won't like: Town, with two different powers. I can appear human without using vitae, and the other one I don't want to post until after night one, but will if forced.

[GreyICE]

Hunger created civilization, and civilization is defined by hunger. Humans came together to grow crops, to hunt animals, to store food for the hard times. Hunger has defined human interaction. Manners developed from rituals on who eats first, to assert dominance. And why else would we need kings and rulers but to define who eats and who doesn't when the hard choices must be made?

Vampires are no different. We too have tended our herd, and we too partake of the bounty we have earned with our labor.

The Fourth Official Tally

Mnemonic Device

- LLD, Aronis, kthx, SpyreX, vonflare, Katsuki

LLD

- AA9

Vonflare

- MnemonicDevice

Not Voting:

Everyone else

Prodded:

None

VLA:

None

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The first evening continues. Sunrise in (expired on 2014-04-18 21:30:00).

[Squirrel Girl]

I can appear human without using vitae

Like, this is an actual power you have? Like you have the option to appear as human? Does it explain the pro-town ramifications of that to you? Because apparently I'm like that 24/7 and I think that makes me a miller, so either you're claiming the power to appear as a Miller, or there should be a town reason to wish to appear human. What have you got?

[d3x]

It's only a splash of PL. There's scummy shit in there if you actually look at what she's posted.

Although I agree, there isn't a whole lot of posting, which in itself gives me scum vibes due to her loving the theme and all. I'd hop on her with you if it weren't so obvious that MD was scum. Well....maybe after an Aronis lynch....

That's not all I'm refering to. I'll get to it in a minute.

If MD flips Town, Von's p370 is super scummy. Hell, even if MD is Scum, it's still a bit scummy.

/agree. Feels forced. Then again, why force this if it's a bus? MD flips scum, in the words of SG, I don't see the motivation for forcing p370. One connection to make from MD's flip.

The Scum motivation is getting on the LynchWagon with "legit" reasoning. They came across forced as hell, but do you think he meant them to? If he didn't mean them to come across as forced {and why would he}, then how does that enter into it. It's a scummy post regardless of the flip. If it's a ScumLynch, he can point back and say 'dudes, I was so for that Lynch'. If it's a MisLynch, he can point back and say 'dudes, I totally had reasons'.

Re: diablerie- I'm not opposed to giving it to LLD, but I'd prefer to give it to one of SG, Kthx, or myself.

Why SG? As for LLD, meh, seems genuine and I wouldn't be opposed. I don't think you should take it though. You are already a pretty big target for scum. I'd rather them have to pick between the dia receiver and you for the NK than for them to auto-target you.

I'm fine not taking it; as I said, I won't 'bleed out' by tomorrow. I have SG as Town and I have you as slightly less Town. I'd rather the diablerie go to Town.

People I'd Vig right now if I had a reload... Aronis, AA9, or Von.

Why?

I thought that'd be an easy one. I have Scum Reads on all 3 of you. More on that later.

What did you find so scummy about me?

Aside from my standing order PL on you, I think your entrance to the game was scummy as all get out. Your first post was super psyched about the theme, yet you immediately jumped to not knowing anything about it. You were unsure that Vampires were Town and Ghouls were the Scum, which is in direct contradiction to you then saying that your RolePM has explicitly stated that you're a Vampire and included specifics about Vitae that isn't included in my RolePM. Coupled with my previous hangups about you and that's enough.

What has you reading Spy as Null+?

His initial push on Aronis

What specifically about his push has you TownLeaning on him?

D3x already rushed into monkeys Vig.

Yeah I agree with this

If you mean that I wish I'd saved it for a certain replacement, I also agree.

The current consensus seems to be LLD, but I'd feel a little more comfortable with agreement or outright rejection from SG and d3x.

I'm meh about giving to LLD, but I'm not against it.

I actually have a thought on the diablerie. I'm nom'ing SG because she's either Miller or Scum. If she's Town and gets the diablerie, Scum has to decide to sort her out or let her juice up {assuming she has some other ability besides Miller}. If Scum sort her out, we know her Claim was true and we don't have to deal with it. If they leave her alone for the WIFOM, she has the Vitae to do something {again assuming she has somethign she can do with it}. Thoughts?

@Mod

- I'm Voting for AA9.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

if she's a miller, what makes you think she has any abilities that will be useful to give her the diablerie.

I'm still the best choice.

[d3x]

Because after Kagami pointing out that she'd make a bad diablerie recipient, SG floated the idea that removing one's self from the nom pool is an AntiScum move. She then Claimed and did not remove herself from the nom pool.

[Aronis]

if she's a miller, what makes you think she has any abilities that will be useful to give her the diablerie.

I'm still the best choice.

Change that. I am unwilling to give the diablerie to LLD.

[SpyreX]

Um... Votes AND posting are town's tools. Not explaining a vote is unhelpful

Here is my claim, which you probably won't like: Town, with two different powers. I can appear human without using vitae, and the other one I don't want to post until after night one, but will if forced.

The hell is this? Its time for death.

Barring an act of god I'm voting LLD for diabiere and I want this show moving.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

if she's a miller, what makes you think she has any abilities that will be useful to give her the diablerie.

I'm still the best choice.

Change that. I am unwilling to give the diablerie to LLD.

Pft.

[vonflare]

Well, I would give it to SG or Spyrex. both seem to be town-motivated, even if the latter seems to use a lot of metaphors.

Just in case anyone was thinking about it, don't give me the diablarie, I don't have any powers yet.

[displaced]

Ill get to this later.

[Kagami]

LLD is the only one who directly opposed my affirmation that scum don't get diab votes, and cut off any conversation of "breaking strategies" that might arise. I see very, very little scum motivation in doing that.

[Kagami]

This human miller-ism is weird, though. Even as a fake-claim, it makes no sense given that we, by default, have no reason to believe there are humans in the setup.

To be clear on my "humans in the setup" statement, it's not that I'm a human investigator or anything that would make these miller claims make more sense. In the clause that says I can't get vitae from diabing a fellow vampire, it specifically says that getting vitae from ghoul lynches or human blood is ok.

[Kagami]

VOTE: Aronis

So vampires vs ghouls, huh? Looks like interesting mechanics, gonna try and and familiarize myself with them

Anyway, this coupled with neither mnem nor goodfather CC'ing SG (or even finding her suspicious), makes this a pretty sure bet.