Micro 330: Masons & Mafia - Day 1

[tman2nd]

Both the Mason's and the Mafia can't talk privately amongst themselves.

[tman2nd]

We are a mason and Crazy is our mason buddy.

Gaiden laughs.

Why are you outing? You do know the mafia can kill you, right?

[tman2nd]

I don't really have any scum reads at this point. Although, I would like to know why I'm being voted/FOSed. I do have some townreads. Perpetual Nonsense seems town based on the gambit they tried to pull. I would like them to get more serious now, though. Also, while I disagree with Crazy on how beneficial that wifom stuff can be, he comes off as town in the way he's reacted to things.

VOTE: Finglove You haven't said much. Care to chip in?

[tman2nd]

Could someone explain why I'm being chosen to be wagoned?

[tman2nd]

^This

I'm getting that same impression. My vote was originally on him to say hi, but now it's become a more serious vote.

In other news, Wisdom is town. I like his explanation of why he's quick wagoning me. It's just unfortunate he chose me. I certainly don't like the votes on him right now. Xayzeck might be town as well, but I'd still like to know why he suspected me.

[tman2nd]

Xayzeck might be town as well, but I'd still like to know why he suspected me.

I don't? I'm just wagoning you because Wis asked me to. How does this affect whether I'm town or not?

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nah not really. just don't like his posts so far. questions feel pointless and forced, stiff and rigid vibe. almost uncomfortable.

i do scumread tman a little though but i'd like to go on Crazy first

This was before Wis asked you.

[tman2nd]

VOTE: HiddenintheDark

Looking at his ISO is troubling. Lots of attempts to appear useful but basically zero ounces of meaningful content.

Tman is not great, but I think Hidden is worse.

Why do you keep posting what I'm thinking?

Vote Wisdom

His first vote went to TMan and stated that it's best to wagon people

and then when fing started to get rung up, he started ordering people to follow that wagon

. If anything this is scummy to me.

Um, he joined that wagon when there were already three other supporters

including you

. In fact, you didn't commit to a vote on that wagon, rather supporting it while distancing yourself as well.

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I townread everyone but Hidden and Xay, so by PoE, I'd like to go for them. Hidden is the scummier of the two, so

VOTE: HiddenInTheDark

[tman2nd]

Crazy hit the nail on the head nicely

. Of course, when scum you want to play as townie as possible so...there is that possibility right now. But, of course no one I've seen has said anything that sticks out to me yet.

You don't advocate for a lynch necessarily, but you seem to be agreeing to some degree. The reason you give that you're not voting unloads a whole load of wifom. Since when does looking scummy make you less likely to be scum? The heart of the matter is you use language that shows strong support, "hit the nail on the head" but then you back away while not providing any other reads whatsoever. This wouldn't be so bad if you had proposed an alternative

[tman2nd]

Maybe, you weren't calling him scummy, but it appeared that way to me. Even without that, the fact remains that you didn't give any reads yesterday.

[tman2nd]

Fing here is trapped in a web of conventional logic, with all his "oh noez quickhammers" attitude. While it is technically possible for scum to win with a mislynch and a double mason kill, the chances of the scum being able to identify both masons at that point is very slim.

Fing's vote against Wisdom just seems very... easy. Wisdom is encouraging quick wagons and pushing a vote on tman without any reasoning actually given. So he's obviously scum, right? >_>

I think Fing is trying to appear "reasonable" by countering against an unconventional strategy, but really he is just following the lines of how he believes town is "supposed" to act.

I don't know if Fing is scum or just not a very creative thinker, but right now I am leaning towards the former.

This is the post you said hit the nail on the head. This whole post is based on the idea that Wisdom's plan has some merit. Now, you're making the same arguments that Fing did. It's possible he was right, but you said that Crazy "hit the nail on the head" here. Why the sudden reversal? What did you actually mean when you said "hit the nail on the head"?

[tman2nd]

Well, if that's the case, you were misreading that post. There's some sarcasm in that post, notice the ">_>" and the quotation marks. If you are town, you weren't doing a very good job of comprehending the post. The summery you give there is actually the opposite of what the post was trying to say. However, I think I'm going to have to reconsider some of my reads after this exchange.

UNVOTE: for now.

[tman2nd]

Part of it wasn't really even that sarcastic.

I think Fing is trying to appear "reasonable" by countering against an unconventional strategy, but really he is just following the lines of how he believes town is "supposed" to act.

He says "trying to appear 'reasonable'" not "is reasonable"

[tman2nd]

I know. My post has the correct wording right. I'm just stating aloud if you are being sarcastic. The least you can do is put /sarcasm so we know you are being sarcastic about your post. Or at the very least put it where you are being sarcastic so we know if you are being sarcastic in any way.

My bad.

Anyway, goodnight. I've got to get some sleep now.

[tman2nd]

The thing is, Hidden is being so confusing about what he actually thinks. He seems to think everything and nothing. Also, Crazy has mirrored many of my thought processes, so that makes me more confident in my scumread
of Hidden. I really hope Crazy isn't scum.

VOTE: HiddenInTheDark

I townread everyone but Hidden and Xay

Hi why

Perpetual is town because of his gambit in the beginning, and I've seen nothing that makes me doubt that read. Crazy is town because he says many of the things I'm thinking before I can say it. I was townreading Wisdom, but I'm less sure of that now.

[tman2nd]

Yeah, I think it's Hidden/Wisdom. Notice how Hidden suddenly is on Wisdom's side for no reason despite having scumread him earlier. Also, Xayzeck looks rather town based on his recent exchange with Wisdom. I could see Perp scum, given the lack of content, but if he turns out to be town, we need to lynch Hidden tomorrow. I definitely think a Perp lynch is much better than a Crazy lynch.

VOTE: Perpetual Nonsense

[tman2nd]

I see your point about Perpetual, and it's not lylo, and it's a much better lynch than a Crazy one. If they are town, we will have narrowed down the possibilities. If they are scum, then we got scum.

[tman2nd]

Oh, wait. That's a good point. I should have thought about that. Although, it seems most every possible match has had scumread on one end, except Crazy and Perp, but I don't think Crazy is scum. But, maybe this is evidence he is. We'll have to see what the flip tells us.

[tman2nd]

Please unvote before the scum jump on the wagon! You know it's lylo.

[tman2nd]

I really don't blame you if you don't unvote. This loss is on my hands, but if you think about it, you can salvage this game.

[tman2nd]

It is my fault because I screwed everything up, but we can talk about that after the game's over. But still, please unvote Crazy. At least hear me out!

[tman2nd]

PLEASE UNVOTE!

[tman2nd]

Why are you not fighting?

I am though.

[tman2nd]

Come on! Unvote before Wisdom gets on!

[tman2nd]

Xayzeck is definitely town. I think he would have voted me by now if he wasn't.

Listen to what Perp said! Also, if I were scum, why haven't I used my shot to kill the mason like you're saying I would?

[tman2nd]

Why are you not fighting?

I am though.

Not really. You're just screaming unvote me.

Well it is urgent that he unvotes me. Then we can discuss.

[tman2nd]

Why am I even trying to reason with scum.

[tman2nd]

Yeah, I really blew it.

[tman2nd]

What was I thinking, lynching my mason partner.

[tman2nd]

Wait what?

[tman2nd]

Hold on, was Crazy actually scum?

[tman2nd]

Somebody's lying here...

[tman2nd]

I never expected that!

[tman2nd]

Well, because I don't know any of you guys. It's almost impossible to know your ways of playing.

I think I'll be able to read you better in the future.