Micro 330: Masons & Mafia - Day 1

[Wisdom]

hi

[Wisdom]

but I really see no benefit in fake-claiming in this setup.

There's plenty benefit. It WIFOMs the scum, who are masonhunting.

[Wisdom]

Hi all. Crazy, why are you so sure that Perpetual nonsense was fakeclaiming?

Probably because he claimed masons with him?

[Wisdom]

Xayzeck why so silent
Talk some more

[Wisdom]

I'm not sure if you wanted me to play along, but I really see no benefit in fake-claiming in this setup.

It looks to me like he was saying why he didn't play along, not that Perpetual was fakeclaiming

[Wisdom]

Btw why arent we voting? The best thing to do in this setup is wagon people

VOTE: tman

[Wisdom]

I know Xayzeck and I can read him based on what he posts. So I want to see him posting more.

[Wisdom]

Xay join me on tman
Crazy join me on tman
Wagons are good

[Wisdom]

bert you know its wise
remember how you died in masons and mafia when you were scum?

[Wisdom]

^plz plz lets wagon this

[Wisdom]

Basically let's wagon tman and watch him suiciding

[Wisdom]

I guess I'll just ignore Nonsense's pointless WIFOMy stuff, then. It's dumb and it's anti-town IMO

How is it anti-town? Which part of "It WIFOMs the scum who are masonhunting" didn't you get? The scum don't know if Perpertual is Mason and bluffing or VT and fake-claiming so they don't know whether to shoot or not.

[Wisdom]

The scum are among {tman, Finglove, Crazy} btw. Hidden, Perpetual and Xay are town.

[Wisdom]

mhm, I'm pretty quick with getting townreads
Also wagons are the best thing to do in this setup, because scum panic and shoot themselves.

[Wisdom]

So you think tman is town? Why?

[Wisdom]

I don't get why the shoot/suicide mechanic suggests running up wagons fast rather than slow, unless you're worried the masons will give themselves away?

The faster things happen the more scum panic

[Wisdom]

In fact, given scum have more information and more decisions, aren't they more likely to trip up (than the masons) if we give them time to? Rather than prematurely rushing to a town lynch?

Scum don't have any information other than who their partner is. Same goes for Masons.
Also wagon does not equal lynch.

[Wisdom]

Why would they quickhammer? Wouldn't that just get them lynched afterwards?

And why is tman more likely town?

[Wisdom]

That makes zero sense, it's not like he hasn't posted

[Wisdom]

Also explain to me why you expect scum to claim scum by quickhammering

[Wisdom]

And I'd be worried about a quickhammer and then shooting (twice if possible).

And what guarantees that they'd shoot correctly? They'd most likely still suicide, which would be mean 1 town for 1 scum. Good for town.

[Wisdom]

His posts might move that in one direction or another.

So you have no opinion on what he has already posted?

[Wisdom]

The question was to Fing, who apparently was parroting you

[Wisdom]

tman/Fing imo

[Wisdom]

Xay is town, that's not faking

[Wisdom]

If you're waiting for a shot from me it won't happen, so you can vote tman instead

[Wisdom]

Xay no, they ain't scum

[Wisdom]

VOTE: finglove

[Wisdom]

first scum down?

[Wisdom]

lets quicklynch tman next

[Wisdom]

Hidden I never "ordered" anyone to vote Finglove, you either misread something or are misrepping me.
And there is nothing "off" about me wanting to wagon people. I explained my thought process behind this and how it's best to do it in this game.

tman looks townier now, Perpetual is still town, Xayzeck not so much. Still don't like Crazy.

VOTE: crazy

[Wisdom]

^plz plz lets wagon this

Sooo...What is this exactly?

Me ordering people to wagon

tman

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Never did so for Finglove

[Wisdom]

Xay did you drop your Crazy scumread?

[Wisdom]

Nah its still there but other people have my attention atm

Such as?
I don't see you pushing anyone.

[Wisdom]

Hidden is town, the way he was pushing me is eager town trying to find scum
tman is also town

You're not trying to push any of them
And I didn't like how you left the tman wagon to vote Perpetual, especially if you were townreading me

[Wisdom]

And I also don't like how you're not pushing Crazy anymore, despite how you wanted to wagon him yesterday

Crazy/Xay scumteam

[Wisdom]

This was trying to get Perp to vote me so you don't stay at L-1

This is just stupid

[Wisdom]

And I also don't like how you're not pushing Crazy anymore, despite how you wanted to wagon him yesterday

Crazy/Xay scumteam

what part of other people have my interest didn't get to you?

or are you just turning that out so you can scumread me?

Your "interest" is very weak since you're not actually trying to figure any of them. You wanted to wagon Crazy yesterday and suddenly you forgot all about your scumread on him.

[Wisdom]

And I didn't like how you left the tman wagon to vote Perpetual, especially if you were townreading me

I don't get this though. Why would leaving your wagon be bad if I townread you. I can townread you and disagree with your reads, no?

I was at L-1 and tman was at L-2
And you left the tman wagon (which I was supporting) to vote Perpetual who had no votes
Its like you were stopping any alternatives, effectively making sure I'll get lynched
Meanwhile you were all "omg dont lynch wisdom hes so town"

[Wisdom]

your 180 on me seems pretty damn quick Wis

i wasnt that sure youre town in the first place, so

[Wisdom]

That was because I was pretty sure I had nailed the scumteam, and before you did that weird Perpetual vote

[Wisdom]

But I wasnt sure because you havent been your obvtown self at all

[Wisdom]

Though your posting now is getting closer to that self admittedly

[Wisdom]

yeah but scumteam was wrong so townreads could be wrong too

[Wisdom]

i dunno who is scum if you arent though
other than crazy others look pretty town

[Wisdom]

Thanks for acknowledging that you once were sure of townme.

what? no, i wasnt

[Wisdom]

in any case i think youre town now

[Wisdom]

well its kind of obv im not though

[Wisdom]

dude i wish i could play like this as scum

[Wisdom]

im like completely transparent

[Wisdom]

i dont get scumread for it?

[Wisdom]

you dont count, you dont really scumread me

[Wisdom]

cmon xay you know im town
if i was scum i would have made you certain im town by now

[Wisdom]

no man. its like this: you are your obvtown self, i townread you. you are something less than your obvtown self, like saying pointless things like "isnt it nightless" and make half-assed pushes, and i dont townread you.

[Wisdom]

316 i was scum though

[Wisdom]

Nope

[Wisdom]

Ok but I'm still town and you should vote crazy

[Wisdom]

dear collective, im town. dont be crazy and vote crazy

[Wisdom]

Xay vote crazy

[Wisdom]

Also I think Wis is waiting for hammer

Wis was sleeping
Stop being dumb

[Wisdom]

*shrug*
As you wish, but I'm not getting lynched

[Wisdom]

Crazy, tman, sheep me on Wis

Yeah I'm happy with Wis/Hidden

Is tman town now? What happened to your suspicions on him?

[Wisdom]

Well it most likely is Crazy/Hidden, so get over your paranoia of me and we're good

[Wisdom]

Well its wrong do deal with it soon

[Wisdom]

so*

[Wisdom]

Your problem is this; in all our games so far I was serious, and now that I'm more trolling it troubles you. The thing is I can't play like this as scum, you've seen how I play scum and how I'm serious and careful. So it really is a paranoia you have there and you have to put it away.

[Wisdom]

Wisdom, you townread me earlier. Now you are saying that I'm one of the scum now? Your flip flopping man.

PoE man, everyone else is more town

[Wisdom]

Do you know what PoE is?

[Wisdom]

Good, so why are you asking me why you're more scum

[Wisdom]

What list?

[Wisdom]

So tell me Xay, if I was scum wouldn't I fight to take you off me more seriously? I'm town and I don't care, that's all there is to it. Your problem IS that I'm not taking it seriously and I'm trolling, see?

[Wisdom]

You have to have your choices of your own who is scum and who is town. He gave his choices i.e. list. What are your choices as scum so far that you read off everyone.

They are my own choices, I don't even know whose reads you're talking about here

[Wisdom]

I went through your wiki

and your lynched D1 town games are outdated

so I can't see if this is a town thing or a scum thing

Read all my scumgames if you want, I can't post so freely as scum

[Wisdom]

Well you don't need to, you've seen two of them with your own eyes

And no, aware or not I can't do this as scum, I wish I could

[Wisdom]

Not scumread but I found it weird, why vote perp at that point

[Wisdom]

get him to omgus so you're not at L-1

Still think that's stupid, why did you think he would leave a L-1 wagon to omgus you, especially if he's scum?

[Wisdom]

I don't see why not

[Wisdom]

If not Hidden, who? Perpetual?

[Wisdom]

I'm a little paranoid about perpetual actually, after all he did quickhammer Fing

[Wisdom]

Probably, that's why we lynch crazy instead

[Wisdom]

Yeah he just sounds like typical scum

[Wisdom]

Hidden is just PoE though and his flailing kinda looks like townflail
Perpetual might actually be the buddy

[Wisdom]

Perpetual more likely than tman imo

[Wisdom]

And quickhammer fing

[Wisdom]

you know what, lets get perpetual

VOTE: perpetual

[Wisdom]

hi

[Wisdom]

You think it's hidden/wisdom yet hammer perpetual? What?

[Wisdom]

If he's scum, who do you see as the buddy?

[Wisdom]

Perp what do you make of tman hammering you while suggesting it's me and Hidden?

[Wisdom]

also im getting repetitive but wis is town, so no wis

[Wisdom]

VOTE: tman

[Wisdom]

nah still town

[Wisdom]

It's hidden

[Wisdom]

I don't, it's you

[Wisdom]

Why, you want to shoot the other mason?

[Wisdom]

You can't shoot in twilight

[Wisdom]

All this is assuming he flips scum, if he was town game is over

[Wisdom]

Mason = town

[Wisdom]

Oh come on I'm so town

[Wisdom]

Maybe it's crazy and tman and none of us is lying

[Wisdom]

Do I?

[Wisdom]

:p

[Wisdom]

Both Masons were obvious btw. Perpetual repeated he's a mason so much that he made it apparent that he wanted scum to believe he isn't one. Therefore he was one.
tman's first reaction to his claim screamed mason, though at the time I thought he is a mason with Finglove. That's the reason I wanted him wagoned, to find out if it's with Finglove or someone else.
I then couldn't see it being a reaction towards his actual mason buddy, as it seemed too serious and I thought he would understand why Perpetual was doing it, so I got paranoid it might be Perpetual/Xayzeck instead. I even considered tman/Xayzeck a lot.
I submitted a kill on Perpetual when Crazy got at L-1 on D2, but deleted it once I made the Perpetual wagon happen (a few minutes later)

[Wisdom]

Also Hidden was obvious town and obvious VT, I have no idea why anyone suspected him ever.

[Wisdom]

I doubt you'll trust me ever again

[Wisdom]

Nah, I just felt like being less serious for some reason

@Hidden
I'm pretty sure you would feel the same way even if I was town, it's just my playstyle

[Wisdom]

It's okay Mala, just change the title

Thanks for modding.