In post 2597, DeathNote wrote:God you are just like... the biggest scum piece of crap I have seen this game.... It really really really bothers me and the only reason I have tunnel voted you into the ground is because there are SOOOOooooo many people this game that are bad and worthy of a lynch.
Does no one else read this post and see nothing of relevant? Like, what in this post comes from a town perspective?
There is set-up speculation, blatant sheeping (and all mollie?), a pointless list (Yeah she is being facetious, I get it), and then to top it all off...
(...so you can see why i'm all over the place today)
No I can't see why you are all over the place. And the fact that you are shrugging off your lack of reasoning with this crap answer is what makes me mad.
Unvote
Vote: Marq
The worst part is probably just the fact that Marq plays this way. I don't know if this is scum play or just her being deliberately anti-town. It is the same thing with RC... always plays the same way and always gets lynched for it. I really do think RC/bulz might have been town... probably is town but I also don't want to see that slot in lylo because... not lynching someone on meta is ridiculous.
"Does no one else read this post and see nothing of relevant?"
Oh, it's relevant all right. I was asked to explain my votes and reads, and I did so, but for clarification: I was sheeping Mollie, and I got caught up in sheeping again this Day, only to come to the realization that I didn't quite trust any living player's alignment and reads as much as I trusted Mollie's. (Before you inevitably ask "why did you trust Mollie?", it was because she sounded genuine as hell, was reading me as town correctly, and it felt like multiple townreads of ours coincided- so as a result, I came to trust her scumreads. That included Sthar, unfortunately, but if I remember correctly, most of the others were totally on point!)
"Like, what in this post comes from a town perspective?"
Let's see...
"There is set-up speculation"
What is stopping town from speculating about the setup in public as I did? I fail to see how thinking about the state of the scumteam, particularly in numbers, can't come from a town perspective. Perhaps I should have worded it as a question, because what I was looking for was some sort of verification: This is a 21 player normal game with one kill per night and 3 flipped Mafia roles, so is it safe to assume there's 2 Mafia left?
"blatant sheeping (and all mollie?)"
Covered this partially already above, but I also want to ask in return: how is such blatant sheeping scummy at all? I mean, of course it would be scummy if, say, I had been only voting whoever EPM/notsci/Kagami voted and buddied up to them. But what I did was sheep a player I was reading as town (and has already flipped town!) onto maybe one or two mislynches, but just as many or even more actual scum lynches!
This is a huge point that I actually want you to retract. Just because you don't like my sheeping, while not the
most
pro-town move, doesn't mean it wasn't a town move at all, and sure as hell doesn't mean that I'm scum for doing it, especially when it's not an associative tell with scum of any sort.
And I also really shouldn't be this okay with calling my votes on scum only a result of sheeping, anyway. During Day 1, I was one of the people speaking out the most against the "let Zekrom live because he can kill for the town!!!" plan, and I actively pushed for the Zekrom lynch. Granted, I ultimately gave in, but only because at that point in the game I realized that a Zekrom lynch didn't have enough support (interestingly enough, too many people saying "yeah I'm okay with lynching Zekrom, but let's lynch _____ first!"). And sometime during that and later on, I had a scumread that I formed independently on the cautiously lurking EPM/notsci slot (it should be in my ISO somewhere if you actually feel like reading my posts or something). I just only pursued that when other players wanted to go for it more.
"a pointless list (Yeah she is being facetious, I get it)"
I'm using a joke as my medium of choice to explain that at the moment I no longer have any strong town reads other than myself, because as you said, I'm able to see each player as scummy in their own way! Yay!
Not quoting any more. Basically, your post consists of you saying that I'm scummy, with your reasons being aspects of my play that actually make me town. And then you say that
I'm
the one who's inadequately justifying myself.
Personally, I don't believe an obvtown player is worthy of a lynch. I can see it being somewhat justifiable if that player is clearly wrong in their reads and has previously defended scum, derailed a scum lynch, and so on. But when an obvtown player has contributed their vote and pushed on actual scum just as often (or even more so!) than several other living players, then you should probably
not
attempt to pursue their lynch.
In regard to what I said in that post, I haven't reread yet. But I'm tentatively going to call you town because I don't see scum having the balls to push such an obvious mislynch. The fact that you're still holding onto an argument resembling "I don't like the way you talk" that you generated all the way back in RVS
does
irk me, but it's not enough to make me want to vote you back out of similar spite.
PEDIT: Reading over this post, I'm starting to draw similarities between how I view you right now and how I viewed UT earlier. So I guess you can thank me for allowing you to be even more town now!
Actual and Not-"Facetious" Readslist
Town
Marquis
DeathNote
Yates
Null/Town
Bulba
Null/Scum
everyone else
I threw Yates up in there because I think I remember him coming off as town after interrogating me yesterday/the day before that/earlier sometime, as well as because of his talk about Masons now. I'm inclined to believe scum would much rather keep Mason speculation to their QuickTopic (the fact that their Encryptor is dead puts a slight damper on this reasoning, but regardless, I don't think Yates would be speaking this openly if he were actually scum).
I still want to believe in RC being town, and I'm not okay with the idea of a Bulba lynch.
Everyone else is yet to be sorted. There was something here that made me want to investigate tman a bit more closely, but I can't really put a finger on it yet. Vibes, I guess.
PEDIT2: Reading over this again, I still don't fully understand the last part of the post of yours that I quoted.
Why exactly do you want to lynch me again? Are you trying to serve me up as a scum lynch, or a policy lynch? You seem lost.
