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Post Post #4 (isolation #0) » Thu Jul 10, 2014 2:50 am

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Reporting for duty, captain.

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Post Post #19 (isolation #1) » Thu Jul 10, 2014 10:54 am

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In post 17, Espressojet wrote:>Quoting of role PMs (aside from, y'know, names and QTs) is entirely fine, since examples have been supplied

Wait, where?


You didn't get the "you are a townie" PM with examples of roles? :eek:
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Post Post #34 (isolation #2) » Thu Jul 10, 2014 2:05 pm

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Well that was easy, we're supposed to be looking for rebels and a few of you are quite literally rebelling right before our eyes. Permission to fire, sir?
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Post Post #36 (isolation #3) » Thu Jul 10, 2014 2:06 pm

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In post 31, hitogoroshi wrote:
In post 25, xRECKONERx wrote:I am not town. Discuss.


you can claim scum but that's still less scummy then Anatole Kuragin, hands up if you see it

Vote: Anatole Kuragin


this is a clown post bro
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Post Post #37 (isolation #4) » Thu Jul 10, 2014 2:06 pm

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The clown post - hands up if you see it
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Post Post #52 (isolation #5) » Fri Jul 11, 2014 4:20 am

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Wake up, le sheeple. There are rebels in THIS VERY SHIP. They were probably planted by the Slugs.

P-edit:

She just said it was an accident included from an open setup, espresso.

Why are you trying so hard to see people's roles?

VOTE: espressojet
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Post Post #61 (isolation #6) » Fri Jul 11, 2014 5:35 am

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In post 58, Jargonaut wrote:VOTE: Venrob for that unwarranted expository post and ugly vote change.

I'm not sure what you guys mean about Anatole. Care to explain?

Aronis, why did you vote twice in succession like that?


hiroto trying to be 1337 sage noscope mafia wizard and paschendale just goes with the easy sheep vote like the MAFIA HE IS, note how he ignored your question

Guys super serious mafia just started.
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Post Post #66 (isolation #7) » Fri Jul 11, 2014 6:06 am

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Is all of that actually in a PM or are you just really getting into this game?
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Post Post #68 (isolation #8) » Fri Jul 11, 2014 6:16 am

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Well, as captain, let me *steer* our discussion towards potential traitors.
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Post Post #69 (isolation #9) » Fri Jul 11, 2014 6:16 am

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Sorry, pilot*
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Post Post #72 (isolation #10) » Fri Jul 11, 2014 6:56 am

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I'm glad reck claimed scum because I didn't get a PM telling me who my mafia allies were.
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Post Post #75 (isolation #11) » Fri Jul 11, 2014 7:02 am

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In post 73, hitogoroshi wrote:Do you believe that Reck is scum?


Based on his one comment alone? I have no idea. pointless to even try to wifom that
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Post Post #77 (isolation #12) » Fri Jul 11, 2014 7:09 am

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I was referring to the mutineers. aka rebels
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Post Post #78 (isolation #13) » Fri Jul 11, 2014 7:10 am

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it was a theme related jest
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Post Post #79 (isolation #14) » Fri Jul 11, 2014 7:10 am

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do you want me to break down "the aristocrats" for you too? perhaps a treatise on the ins and outs of airline food or blondes?
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Post Post #82 (isolation #15) » Fri Jul 11, 2014 8:16 am

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I feed off your votes as I am a mantis warrior.
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Post Post #85 (isolation #16) » Fri Jul 11, 2014 9:43 am

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Espresso + Paschendale are mafia

2 down already, yall are making this too easy.
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Post Post #87 (isolation #17) » Fri Jul 11, 2014 9:50 am

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In post 86, T S O wrote:FASTER THAN LIGHT


hey TSO sorry for killing you last game, it was out of respect
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Post Post #92 (isolation #18) » Fri Jul 11, 2014 10:24 am

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Tempted to vote him just because he says in that game that KotoR2 is better than the original.
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Post Post #93 (isolation #19) » Fri Jul 11, 2014 10:26 am

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Wow. Aronis wtf bro
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Post Post #95 (isolation #20) » Fri Jul 11, 2014 10:59 am

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In post 94, Espressojet wrote:
In post 85, Anatole Kuragin wrote:Espresso + Paschendale are mafia

2 down already, yall are making this too easy.


Why do you think I'm scum?


3 reasons:
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b) fourth vote on a wagon on a townie
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Post Post #96 (isolation #21) » Fri Jul 11, 2014 11:10 am

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No townie gives a shit about the first vote on them. Why didn't you ask why I thought Paschendale was scummy?
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Post Post #98 (isolation #22) » Fri Jul 11, 2014 11:23 am

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In post 97, Espressojet wrote:
In post 95, Anatole Kuragin wrote:
In post 94, Espressojet wrote:
In post 85, Anatole Kuragin wrote:Espresso + Paschendale are mafia

2 down already, yall are making this too easy.


Why do you think I'm scum?


3 reasons:
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b) fourth vote on a wagon on a townie
3) asking why I think you're scum


Ok:

1) I was confused by the rules posting. I'm new, gimme a break.
2) How can you prove that they're town?
c) What?


I) Take some time to think about why it's not a good idea for town members to open their bag of surprises and invite the mafia to look in. It's typically considered scummy behavior to speculate on power roles because they are the best weapon the town has and we typically want the mafia to be as ignorant as possible to those roles. I'll buy that you're new, but you have to understand it's still suspicious.
II) I've read my PM. No, I'm not quoting it to you.
tres) this was half-joking, but I found it interesting that as a curious scumhunter you didn't care at all about my reasons for suspecting Paschendale. ie. you asked why I thought YOU were scum, not both people I named. Townies should be more interested in figuring out why other people could be scum, not why they are acting scummy, since they know of their own innocence, especially if there's not even a strong effort against them to lynch
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Post Post #101 (isolation #23) » Fri Jul 11, 2014 3:09 pm

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Do you quarrel sir?
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Post Post #107 (isolation #24) » Fri Jul 11, 2014 4:43 pm

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In post 105, Jargonaut wrote:
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More votes on Venrob, yo. Espresso is also acceptable.

Can someone explain to me the deal with Aronis? I haven't been able to read the Star Wars game yet, and I'm wondering if it really warrants policy lynching him.


thanks jargo, apparently this was not clear enough :lol:
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Post Post #108 (isolation #25) » Fri Jul 11, 2014 4:44 pm

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In post 106, xRECKONERx wrote:
In post 58, Jargonaut wrote:VOTE: Venrob for that unwarranted expository post and ugly vote change.

I'm not sure what you guys mean about Anatole. Care to explain?

Aronis, why did you vote twice in succession like that?

In post 105, Jargonaut wrote:You're the fourth vote on
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More votes on Venrob, yo. Espresso is also acceptable.

Can someone explain to me the deal with Aronis? I haven't been able to read the Star Wars game yet, and I'm wondering if it really warrants policy lynching him.

Ringadingding actual scum found, guys.

Let's play RAISE YOUR HAND IF YOU SEE WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT!

VOTE: Jargonaut

Aronis legitimately worries me if the tales of the Star Wars game plus his HUH WTF IS A CAPTAIN thing are legitimate.


Is it because she's down for a policy lynch? My hands are unsure.
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Post Post #119 (isolation #26) » Sat Jul 12, 2014 4:08 am

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In post 113, Paschendale wrote:
3. Anatole's OMGUS against myself and Espresso (unaccompanied by votes) is pathetic.


You aren't a very attentive player.
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Post Post #120 (isolation #27) » Sat Jul 12, 2014 4:09 am

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In post 52, Anatole Kuragin wrote:Wake up, le sheeple. There are rebels in THIS VERY SHIP. They were probably planted by the Slugs.

P-edit:

She just said it was an accident included from an open setup, espresso.

Why are you trying so hard to see people's roles?

VOTE: espressojet


Since you couldn't be buggered to find it yourself, pas.
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Post Post #121 (isolation #28) » Sat Jul 12, 2014 4:11 am

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Pas, are you perhaps accusing me of seeing espresso vote for me, then going back in time to cast the world's first pre-cog OMGUS vote?

or are you just bullshitting your way through the game because you are scum
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Post Post #142 (isolation #29) » Sat Jul 12, 2014 8:18 am

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In post 131, Paschendale wrote:
In post 121, Anatole Kuragin wrote:Pas, are you perhaps accusing me of seeing espresso vote for me, then going back in time to cast the world's first pre-cog OMGUS vote?

or are you just bullshitting your way through the game because you are scum


No, I'm saying that your vote was complete bullshit and you didn't even look like you thought Espresso was really scum at the time. But then you call the two people who suspect you scum and get all smug about it. It's especially nonsense since you actually sound convinced that I'm scum, but aren't voting for me, while the only actual thing that seems to be motivating you to do anything other than pick on a newbie with Espresso is his suspicion of you. The bullshit vote and the suspicions are not related. Maybe you should relate them, but that would be just another lie from you.

In post 128, havingfitz wrote:
In post 113, Paschendale wrote:4. I'd like an actual complete sentence from Havingfitz.

Well...I've made a with reason and I've indicated I Not dissimilar to the content provided by you prior to .

Otherwise it's still early days and I don't have much to say pending a re-read and more content in general from others.


Congratulations. I read your posts before typing that. Stringing links in a sentence where you pretend to be saying more than you actually are doesn't count. Try again.

In post 127, T S O wrote:Because I think you're falling into a trap here where you're assuming that scummy-players-as-town are less likely to receive scum role PM's. It's kinda what people do with newbies in non-Newbie games.


As one of those players who is considered "scummy-as-town", let me tell you that a lot more people (including you when we play together) fall into the trap of lynching based on playstyle than make the mistake you're talking about.

In post 125, Belisarius wrote:Yes. We can't win by petulance lynches. I`my gonna lynch scum instead.


So who do you have in mind?



I always fuck up quotes so I won't try to trim this down. Sorry.

Dude, there were 3 or 4 people voting for me when I said that and I didn't find Reckoner or Hito's votes scummy. Just yours and Espresso's. If I was working purely in OMGUS, why would I just pick two names at random? Isn't it more likely that I didn't find Hito or Reckoner's votes as scummy as yours and espresso's?

Also, Dude, I can't vote for two people at once.

Dude, this is like my third game here, why would I pick on someone for being a newbie? I thought I clearly enumerated my reasons for finding him suspicious, and I obviously wasn't the only one.

Dude, you're clown posting hard.
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Post Post #143 (isolation #30) » Sat Jul 12, 2014 8:20 am

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In post 52, Anatole Kuragin wrote:Wake up, le sheeple. There are rebels in THIS VERY SHIP. They were probably planted by the Slugs.

P-edit:

She just said it was an accident included from an open setup, espresso.

Why are you trying so hard to see people's roles?


VOTE: espressojet


Why does this give the impression that it wasn't a serious reason (
or was a bullshit reason
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Post Post #144 (isolation #31) » Sat Jul 12, 2014 8:22 am

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In post 98, Anatole Kuragin wrote:
In post 97, Espressojet wrote:
In post 95, Anatole Kuragin wrote:
In post 94, Espressojet wrote:
In post 85, Anatole Kuragin wrote:Espresso + Paschendale are mafia

2 down already, yall are making this too easy.


Why do you think I'm scum?


3 reasons:
a) trying really hard to see PR descriptions
b) fourth vote on a wagon on a townie
3) asking why I think you're scum


Ok:

1) I was confused by the rules posting. I'm new, gimme a break.
2) How can you prove that they're town?
c) What?


I) Take some time to think about why it's not a good idea for town members to open their bag of surprises and invite the mafia to look in. It's typically considered scummy behavior to speculate on power roles because they are the best weapon the town has and we typically want the mafia to be as ignorant as possible to those roles. I'll buy that you're new, but you have to understand it's still suspicious.
II) I've read my PM. No, I'm not quoting it to you.
tres) this was half-joking, but I found it interesting that as a curious scumhunter you didn't care at all about my reasons for suspecting Paschendale. ie. you asked why I thought YOU were scum, not both people I named. Townies should be more interested in figuring out why other people could be scum, not why they are acting scummy, since they know of their own innocence, especially if there's not even a strong effort against them to lynch


How do these posts not constitute a relation of my reasons for voting, pas1? Do I need to add footnotes and annotations?

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Post Post #145 (isolation #32) » Sat Jul 12, 2014 8:23 am

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Granted, I only had reason a at the time of placing my vote, but I think my reasons should be a sufficient explanation for why I'm comfortable leaving that vote on Espresso.
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Post Post #147 (isolation #33) » Sat Jul 12, 2014 8:26 am

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In post 141, Espressojet wrote:
In post 139, T S O wrote:I'm voting you for what I feel was over-the-top fake confusion.


This is my second game. My first hasn't even gotten past day 1. That confusion was real and if everybody's calling me scum because they thought I was faking it, then that's the dumbest thing I've ever heard.


Do you disagree that my reasons for voting you, aside from your confusion about the role PMs being displayed are valid?
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Post Post #199 (isolation #34) » Sun Jul 13, 2014 10:34 am

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I'm leaning more towards Pas being obnoxious than mafia at this point - he has gone after and defended too many people to be playing a standard scum game. More at 11.

Hito, are you cool with espresso right now?

Reckoner, is your name a radiohead reference?

TSO, if you could have anyone in this game, after a couple days of posting, on your scum team (you are a goon, they are a goon), who would you pick?

ABR, why do you think Aronis is a better lynch than Venrob or Espresso?
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Post Post #200 (isolation #35) » Sun Jul 13, 2014 10:35 am

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In post 159, xRECKONERx wrote:Dear god. DAT SELF META WALL.
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Post Post #201 (isolation #36) » Sun Jul 13, 2014 10:37 am

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Belisarius, I love Kenneth Brannaugh and drugs as much as the next guy but I need you to find some scum bro.
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Post Post #229 (isolation #37) » Mon Jul 14, 2014 2:56 am

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Albert do you have any reads on players besides Aronis?
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Post Post #232 (isolation #38) » Mon Jul 14, 2014 3:27 am

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In post 187, Albert B. Rampage wrote:Reck seems town. Belisarius as well. Hito and Venrob too. Jargonaut I suppose could be scum due to the content of his posts, it's a bit early to tell. I'll comment on the rest of the game, but I think Aronis is our best shot regardless.


I see this now, sorry. Getting people mixed up.
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Post Post #233 (isolation #39) » Mon Jul 14, 2014 3:33 am

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In post 208, Espressojet wrote:My initial vote for AK was a complete joke, but then he started fucking with me for stupid reasons (actually, I just looked back, he was the one fucking with me from the start...) and then my vote started to become more serious. If he's actually spending that much time trying to scumhunt me because of his silly joke, then he's not doing a very good job.


I wasn't fucking with you, I was trying to
understand you man
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Also I didn't *waste* any time. Time you spend wasted is not wasted time.

When you are the third vote on a wagon, it's not really considered joking anymore, imo.

So do you have any reads?
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Post Post #234 (isolation #40) » Mon Jul 14, 2014 3:34 am

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Though the text content of your vote was clearly joking, I'll concede.
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Post Post #244 (isolation #41) » Mon Jul 14, 2014 7:30 am

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Yeah I don't approve of the word "clowning" for this purpose.

The verb "clownposting" however is a reference to a stupid, insubstantial post and is valid, imo. It's not when someone is just spamming while joking around after smoking a lot of opium.
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Post Post #245 (isolation #42) » Mon Jul 14, 2014 7:31 am

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a clown post is the forum mafia version of a clown question asked of a hockey player
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Post Post #249 (isolation #43) » Mon Jul 14, 2014 10:01 am

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In post 248, Jargonaut wrote:State of the Universe:
My internet is still down. I'm currently trying to use the sketchy unsecured wifi coming from my neighbor's house but it is unreliable.
Venrob is still scum.
TSO is town-ish.
Reckoner is town-ish.
Espresso is null.
Hitogo is town-ish.
Albert B. Rampage is scum-ish.

Espresso seems more genuine upon reread, and I don't think his confusion was fake.

Albert seems to be consistently reading people for bad reasons. Town can use bad reasoning, but the fact that he's consistently doing it seems like he's trying to artificially come up with reasoning for his reads.

Belisaurus, can you explain post 164?


VOTE: jargonaut raise your hand if you see it
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Post Post #253 (isolation #44) » Mon Jul 14, 2014 10:21 am

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In post 252, Venmar wrote:rampage can be town (though idk why he felt like justifying his policy wagon on aronis by calling aronis scummy, seems unnecessary), belisarius and espresso are both pretty scummy/cringy, hito and reck, idk, they seem town so far so they can be town so far. paschendale seems somewhat town i guess.
everyone else i don't particularly care about.


(i might have skipped/skimmed pages 8-10, but thats okay)


that's fucked up
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Post Post #257 (isolation #45) » Mon Jul 14, 2014 11:13 am

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In post 255, Espressojet wrote:
In post 233, Anatole Kuragin wrote:
In post 208, Espressojet wrote:My initial vote for AK was a complete joke, but then he started fucking with me for stupid reasons (actually, I just looked back, he was the one fucking with me from the start...) and then my vote started to become more serious. If he's actually spending that much time trying to scumhunt me because of his silly joke, then he's not doing a very good job.


I wasn't fucking with you, I was trying to
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Oh?
In post 19, Anatole Kuragin wrote:
In post 17, Espressojet wrote:>Quoting of role PMs (aside from, y'know, names and QTs) is entirely fine, since examples have been supplied
Wait, where?


You didn't get the "you are a townie" PM with examples of roles? :eek:


Prime example of "not fucking with me"

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In post 84, Espressojet wrote:I'm aborting the mutiny. Anatole has no profile picture, and wishes to remain anonymous.

VOTE: Anatole

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How could you possibly think that this was serious?


That line about the role PM was to see if he would scum slip. It was a test, not a mean-spirited jab.
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Post Post #260 (isolation #46) » Mon Jul 14, 2014 11:20 am

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That post looks like a straight up old-fashioned middle of the road scum reads post. She probably even gave away at least one ally in the townish to null range.
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Post Post #261 (isolation #47) » Mon Jul 14, 2014 11:20 am

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In post 259, Espressojet wrote:Sure, Anatole, maybe it was. But that doesn't give you justification to keep it up when I hadn't flipped scum at all. There was a lot of fuckery being had on your part


You were acting scummy, regardless of your experience level and regardless of the role PM thing.
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Post Post #262 (isolation #48) » Mon Jul 14, 2014 11:21 am

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Sorry you took it personally, I could have explained the role PM test thing earlier but I honestly forgot I even posted that.
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Post Post #264 (isolation #49) » Mon Jul 14, 2014 11:27 am

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In post 263, Espressojet wrote:
In post 262, Anatole Kuragin wrote:Sorry you took it personally, I could have explained the role PM test thing earlier but I honestly forgot I even posted that.


How could you when you kept bringing it up?


I referred multiple times to your intention to gather more information on potential power roles in the game. Did you or did you not do that?
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Post Post #265 (isolation #50) » Mon Jul 14, 2014 11:27 am

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Or rather, did you or did you not try to gather more information on power roles?
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Post Post #268 (isolation #51) » Mon Jul 14, 2014 12:47 pm

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You need to take a chill pill dude.
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Post Post #269 (isolation #52) » Mon Jul 14, 2014 12:49 pm

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In post 266, Espressojet wrote:
In post 260, Anatole Kuragin wrote:That post looks like a straight up old-fashioned middle of the road scum reads post. She probably even gave away at least one ally in the townish to null range.

It straight up looks like the reads list she said she was going to give us earlier. The fact that she's claiming to have re-read some of the thread also gives it justification.

Is it because you particularly disagree with one or two of her reads, so she
obviously
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No, I can't disagree with her reads because she barely said anything. That's the point. The only person she claims to have any real opinion on is the only person who is getting voted by a bunch of other people. Ie. it's a safe pick.
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Post Post #282 (isolation #53) » Mon Jul 14, 2014 2:06 pm

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In post 276, hitogoroshi wrote:
In post 226, xRECKONERx wrote:
HMMMM.

Is ABR+Venrob scumteam really this slamdunky? Is it?


Eh, I dunno. I don't know why Venrob as scum would try to deflect lynch responsibility on his scumbuddy. But I also don't understand ABR's divergent stances on Venrob and Aronis from a town perspective. He said Venrob was TOWN, but when I asked why, it suddenly changed to "Well I'm not reading Venrob D1 that's silly". It's inconsistent and strange, but a Venrob/ABR scumteam doesn't feel coherent.

In post 253, Anatole Kuragin wrote:
In post 252, Venmar wrote:rampage can be town (though idk why he felt like justifying his policy wagon on aronis by calling aronis scummy, seems unnecessary), belisarius and espresso are both pretty scummy/cringy, hito and reck, idk, they seem town so far so they can be town so far. paschendale seems somewhat town i guess.
everyone else i don't particularly care about.


(i might have skipped/skimmed pages 8-10, but thats okay)


that's fucked up


Really? I actually think it's pretty sensible to focus on reads as they happen and not try to force reads on the whole town too early - it's prone to confirmation bias. In fact, even in this game I haven't given my opinion on quite a few players; do you find that scummy?

In post 254, xRECKONERx wrote:I find it weird ABR's down to policy lynch Aronis and tries to justify it as "but he's scum", but then whitewashes the Venrob wagon by basically doing the opposite and saying, "But he's bad and gets lynched D1 all the time!"

Like, both are players with a meta that would call for a policy lynch, but in one case he goes out of his way to make one scum from his POV, and the other one is just "oh he's always like that" and I don't get why there's the distinction.


Yeah, this is what I'm grappling with.

In post 272, Albert B. Rampage wrote:I tend to join a couple games and feel them out, see which ones I get invested in the most. Hint: it's not this one.


what exactly are you saying here Albert


Not at all, I just find it mean that he doesn't care about me :oops:
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Post Post #304 (isolation #54) » Tue Jul 15, 2014 2:01 am

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Glad we could bully someone out of playing. We did it mafiascum!
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Post Post #306 (isolation #55) » Tue Jul 15, 2014 2:50 am

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In post 283, Albert B. Rampage wrote:
In post 281, xRECKONERx wrote:TBF if you had that much of an issue with him you probably should've said/done something when he signed up.


No, I want to play with him so I can do exactly this as town. As scum, assuming Aronis is town, I'd laugh at another easy upcoming win lol


This sounds like bullying to me.

Whatever, he's gone now.
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Post Post #307 (isolation #56) » Tue Jul 15, 2014 2:51 am

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Why are you voting jargo alby?
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Post Post #309 (isolation #57) » Tue Jul 15, 2014 3:33 am

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I agree!
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Post Post #318 (isolation #58) » Tue Jul 15, 2014 5:41 am

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In post 211, Albert B. Rampage wrote:
Venrob is constantly mislynched.
Trying to vote for him Day 1 is a joke. Belisarius seems town because of his 5-6 posts in a row. A bit too out of the box for scum IMO.


Is this the only reason you think Venrob is town? Because he usually is and is lynched anyways?

You've said Venrob was probably town and haven't answered why, even though Hito asked you. You quickly answered why you though Belisarius was town but ignored the same question about Vernob.

In post 219, hitogoroshi wrote:
In post 211, Albert B. Rampage wrote:Venrob is constantly mislynched. Trying to vote for him Day 1 is a joke.


But why do you think he's
town
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Post Post #323 (isolation #59) » Tue Jul 15, 2014 6:00 am

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In post 248, Jargonaut wrote:State of the Universe:
My internet is still down. I'm currently trying to use the sketchy unsecured wifi coming from my neighbor's house but it is unreliable.
Venrob is still scum.
TSO is town-ish.
Reckoner is town-ish.
Espresso is null.
Hitogo is town-ish.
Albert B. Rampage is scum-ish.

Espresso seems more genuine upon reread, and I don't think his confusion was fake.

Albert seems to be consistently reading people for bad reasons. Town can use bad reasoning, but the fact that he's consistently doing it seems like he's trying to artificially come up with reasoning for his reads.

Belisaurus, can you explain post 164?


I am voting Jargon because this post is the scummiest thing I have seen this game.

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[✓] Vague comments both attacking and defending players with no conviction (Defending espresso, calling out Albert for "consistently" bad reads, even though the only read he gave was "vernob is probably town" plus the policy lynch on aronis which isn't a read) (this is a weaker point than the next two)
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[✓] Only decisively call scum someone who already has a good chance of being lynched
[✓] Ask a question to look like you're contributing but never follow up on it
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Post Post #324 (isolation #60) » Tue Jul 15, 2014 6:02 am

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Also seems like she just gave "town-ish" to the stronger, experienced leader type players - reck, hito, tso. Feels like buddying up to people who might find her out.
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Post Post #325 (isolation #61) » Tue Jul 15, 2014 6:04 am

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Look through games with inexperienced scum, they typically will have a reads post that looks exactly like the one above, and they will intentionally try to woo strong players. I recently won a game as (shitty) scum doing the exact same thing. I defended and buddied up to the few people I thought might catch on and gave vague reads until I had killed off anyone with a brain.
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Post Post #326 (isolation #62) » Tue Jul 15, 2014 6:05 am

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Also, if she turns up mafia there's a good chance at least one partner is on that list.
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Post Post #330 (isolation #63) » Tue Jul 15, 2014 9:03 am

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In post 328, Jargonaut wrote:
In post 286, Espressojet wrote:
VOTE: ABR - FTFY


Salty or not, this is a new game with new people who don't give a shit about your personal problems. Commit to the game or replace out.

I don't really understand this vote at all. Could you explain it?

In post 324, Anatole Kuragin wrote:Also seems like she just gave "town-ish" to the stronger, experienced leader type players - reck, hito, tso. Feels like buddying up to people who might find her out.

In post 326, Anatole Kuragin wrote:Also, if she turns up mafia there's a good chance at least one partner is on that list.

Which is it? And why do you think newbscum would be more likely to make such a list than newbtown?

How many times is this whole '"Why do you think Venrob is town?" "Why do you think he's scum?"' back and forth going to have to happen before everyone realizes he's actually scum and that we should lynch him?


Because newbtown are still TRYING to find mafia and have opinions on other players. Mafia pretend to have opinions on other players, which lead to manufactured attempts at scumhunting, which is what your post looks like.
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Post Post #333 (isolation #64) » Tue Jul 15, 2014 9:22 am

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In post 331, T S O wrote:meanwhile, your case on Jargo, which we can summarise as ???, is a lot more convincing.


I have no idea what you are trying to say here.
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Post Post #335 (isolation #65) » Tue Jul 15, 2014 9:26 am

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In post 334, T S O wrote:He hasn't even explained why he's scumreading Jargo, yet dismisses the Venrob case out of hand.


Right. I thought you were referring to me.
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Post Post #337 (isolation #66) » Tue Jul 15, 2014 9:53 am

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That's sweet tso.

But you don't see any merit to *my* case against jargo?
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Post Post #342 (isolation #67) » Tue Jul 15, 2014 10:32 am

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In post 340, T S O wrote:
In post 323, Anatole Kuragin wrote:
In post 248, Jargonaut wrote:State of the Universe:
My internet is still down. I'm currently trying to use the sketchy unsecured wifi coming from my neighbor's house but it is unreliable.
Venrob is still scum.
TSO is town-ish.
Reckoner is town-ish.
Espresso is null.
Hitogo is town-ish.
Albert B. Rampage is scum-ish.

Espresso seems more genuine upon reread, and I don't think his confusion was fake.

Albert seems to be consistently reading people for bad reasons. Town can use bad reasoning, but the fact that he's consistently doing it seems like he's trying to artificially come up with reasoning for his reads.

Belisaurus, can you explain post 164?


I am voting Jargon because this post is the scummiest thing I have seen this game.

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[✓] Vague comments both attacking and defending players with no conviction (Defending espresso, calling out Albert for "consistently" bad reads, even though the only read he gave was "vernob is probably town" plus the policy lynch on aronis which isn't a read) (this is a weaker point than the next two)
[✓] Lots of "ish" reads to justify any necessary future move
[✓] Only decisively call scum someone who already has a good chance of being lynched
[✓] Ask a question to look like you're contributing but never follow up on it


a) This is one of your stronger points, actually.
b) This isn't good, I agree with you, but it's more a supporting point rather than a real scumtell. Let me check something.
c) I agree with this, but I also agree with Venrob-scum. For this to be scummy, either you disagree with his scumreads or you think that not having an outlandish scumread is indicative of scum - which is it?
d) Beli just introduced the idea of a third party out of the blue - I actually meant to question that but just assumed he was trolling. It's not a terrible question, actually.

In post 324, Anatole Kuragin wrote:Also seems like she just gave "town-ish" to the stronger, experienced leader type players - reck, hito, tso. Feels like buddying up to people who might find her out.


That's true, but Reck and hito look Town, and without blowing my own horn, so do I.


Point c is only scummy in conjunction with the other points. It's not inherently scummy to call vernob scummy, but when that's
all you have
it gives me an impression that you aren't scumhunting.

It's fine to question Beli, but Jargo seemed completely disinterested in his response or following up or anything. Also a weak point in retrospect.
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Post Post #355 (isolation #68) » Wed Jul 16, 2014 2:36 am

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Jargo is L-6


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Post Post #363 (isolation #69) » Wed Jul 16, 2014 4:41 am

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In post 328, Jargonaut wrote:
In post 286, Espressojet wrote:
VOTE: ABR - FTFY


Salty or not, this is a new game with new people who don't give a shit about your personal problems. Commit to the game or replace out.

I don't really understand this vote at all. Could you explain it?

In post 324, Anatole Kuragin wrote:Also seems like she just gave "town-ish" to the stronger, experienced leader type players - reck, hito, tso. Feels like buddying up to people who might find her out.

In post 326, Anatole Kuragin wrote:Also, if she turns up mafia there's a good chance at least one partner is on that list.

Which is it? And why do you think newbscum would be more likely to make such a list than newbtown?

How many times is this whole '"Why do you think Venrob is town?" "Why do you think he's scum?"' back and forth going to have to happen before everyone realizes he's actually scum and that we should lynch him?

In post 330, Anatole Kuragin wrote:
In post 328, Jargonaut wrote:
In post 286, Espressojet wrote:
VOTE: ABR - FTFY


Salty or not, this is a new game with new people who don't give a shit about your personal problems. Commit to the game or replace out.

I don't really understand this vote at all. Could you explain it?

In post 324, Anatole Kuragin wrote:Also seems like she just gave "town-ish" to the stronger, experienced leader type players - reck, hito, tso. Feels like buddying up to people who might find her out.

In post 326, Anatole Kuragin wrote:Also, if she turns up mafia there's a good chance at least one partner is on that list.

Which is it? And why do you think newbscum would be more likely to make such a list than newbtown?

How many times is this whole '"Why do you think Venrob is town?" "Why do you think he's scum?"' back and forth going to have to happen before everyone realizes he's actually scum and that we should lynch him?


Because newbtown are still TRYING to find mafia and have opinions on other players. Mafia pretend to have opinions on other players, which lead to manufactured attempts at scumhunting, which is what your post looks like.

In post 361, Jargonaut wrote:^why

In post 350, Paschendale wrote:
In post 345, Jargonaut wrote:
In post 343, Paschendale wrote:I think the Jargo case is actually pretty good. Especially the opportunistic scumreads. Scum like to make moves that are safe.

Which of my scum reads do you think are opportunistic?


I'm curious why you aren't asking Anatole or TSO, since I was agreeing with them.

Not quite. They are considering multiple arguments, but you seem content to consider just one.

Anatole, I asked you a question in 328, pls rspnd. 324 and 326 take contradictory stances on what you think my mindset when making my reads list was.

Venrob + ABR 2014


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which*
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Post Post #365 (isolation #71) » Wed Jul 16, 2014 4:43 am

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God hath given you one face, and you make yourselves another.
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Post Post #367 (isolation #72) » Wed Jul 16, 2014 4:56 am

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In post 366, Albert B. Rampage wrote:Oh hey Anatole wanna vote for Venrob?


:?: :?: ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh :?: :?:

It's probably a better idea than letting someone smarter replace in and just throw vernob under the bus, if the consensus is that slot is scum. I'm not convinced, but I'm suitably convinced for a day one lynch I guess. :nerd:
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Post Post #369 (isolation #73) » Wed Jul 16, 2014 5:01 am

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VOTE: vernob
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Post Post #371 (isolation #74) » Wed Jul 16, 2014 5:11 am

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Does that make hirohito the first officer?
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Post Post #1368 (isolation #75) » Tue Aug 12, 2014 2:34 am

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I was going to track Hito N1 :((

gg guys!

ABR you are my hero.
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Post Post #1370 (isolation #76) » Tue Aug 12, 2014 4:34 am

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This was a fun game and I love the FTL flavor, Bella. Wish I would have lasted longer!
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