Point of clarity: I did say "my understanding" for a reason; my memory isn't the greatest and I never read it in detail. I remember essentially a conversation of, "What was the Sven modkill for, anyway?", the mods explaining it, and the majority of the reaction being, "Eh, I can see why the call was made, but I don't think it was that clear-cut." (Point of clarity two, I'm not sure if the right word for the thread was "joke", again because I don't remember it that well.)
Putting aside the debate about the modkill/thread, though, it IS a good example, off of his play. His dayplay was amazingly good, both in that game and in all scumgames since and some before then that I've seen and heard about. I don't think there's a better player at looking town when scum than Sven. Sure, yeah, there are scum players who are VERY good at it and competent in other areas, too, but Sven is much stronger in that area than I've seen from others, and is no slouch when it comes to other areas, either.
His actions outside the game, potentially (and even probably) accidentally. Not inside. Inside the game, he was playing a top-notch gameplay during the day.
In post 143, Tierce wrote:Undersigning UT here, and adding that it sure is a joy to have to make a call on whether an MD thread is a "joke" or an actual reference to an ongoing game. You think it's ambiguous? Now imagine being on the team who has to make a call on whether to nuke something like that from orbit or not.
I'm not trying to start a debate about the validity of a months-old modkill or attack the people who made the decision, here. It happened; the call was made. However, my point is that discarding a good scumgame because of a modkill that was for something outside the scumgame shouldn't be the case, when it was not clear-cut. I have no doubts it was a hard decision. But that's the thing--if it was an easy decision, then it'd be clear-cut, and the fact that it wasn't an easy decision by its very nature means that it wasn't clear-cut (thus, ambiguous). Not sure how that logic isn't clear.
The decision was made. I understand the logic behind why the decision was made. I know the logic behind why the decision was made. But the nomination is
not
about the decision being made. In this case, it's about intent. (Purposefully made to get advice about a situation you're in vs. not having intended it, but the risk being there.) If Sven did not intend harm, then he did not mean harm, and thus, he should not have the game disqualified because of it. The risk of harm was there--thus the eventual modkill. But I feel the game should not be discarded off of a mistake that was innocently made (there's a reason I ask mods about writing MD articles that use content from a current game, generally--it's specifically to avoid this, but I'm paranoid about it and someone less paranoid can make the error), even if said mistake resulted in a modkill, because it was a mistake that was not inside the game and the nomination is for something that is explicitly for inside the game.
