Micro 371: Cult Vengeful (Game Over)

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Post Post #225 (ISO) » Fri Aug 15, 2014 2:52 am

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Its a no lynch if a lynch doesnt go through.

Town has a 33% chance of winning in that case.

Selfhammer if it gets down to the wire?
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Post Post #226 (ISO) » Fri Aug 15, 2014 3:20 am

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VOTE: Oka

Dont see a point in claiming intent.
Oka, if you're town, please be smart about the shot.
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Post Post #227 (ISO) » Fri Aug 15, 2014 3:49 am

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Vote Count #1.6 (FINAL):


OkaPoka:
Maruchan, Klazam, fuzzybutternut (3)
fuzzybutternut:
OkaPoka (1)
Maruchan:
ProHawk (1)

Not Voting:
None.

With 5 people alive, it takes 3 to lynch.


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OkaPoka until 8/20.

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(expired on 2014-08-16 08:15:00)
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Post Post #228 (ISO) » Fri Aug 15, 2014 3:52 am

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OkaPoka,
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It is now Night 1. Please send in both night actions within (expired on 2014-08-17 10:55:00).
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Post Post #229 (ISO) » Fri Aug 15, 2014 12:08 pm

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Klazam,
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, has been killed Night 1.

fuzzybutternut,
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, has been endgamed.
ProHawk,
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turned
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Maruchan,
1-Shot Cult Recruiter
, has survived and won!

Game over! Cult wins!

Night actions (if not obvious from above):
OkaPoka shoots Klazam.
Maruchan recruits ProHawk.

I made a mod error during this game, but I don't believe it impacted anything. I failed to remind Klazam when he PM'd me a question that if the Cult wins Night 1, then only the Recruiter wins. My bad, just realized this now. ;(
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Post Post #230 (ISO) » Fri Aug 15, 2014 12:11 pm

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Some mod notes that I made while watching:

1) I hate Maru’s meta. It allows him to get away with being completely anti-town in scum games because he’s practically playing against wincon in town games. smh

2) It’s realllllllllly bad to talk about who you would shoot in Cult Vengeful. It effectively removes the possibility of hitting the same person as the Cult Recruiter, which is the situation that would allow a 3p LyLo. Unless you’re somehow 100% sure you’re hitting the Cult Recruiter (and you’re never that sure, unless someone cheated somehow), you should always keep pretty mute about who you’ll shoot. This is the big challenge of Cult Vengeful, imo. You have to show enough of your scumhunting to convince people you’re town and not to lynch you, but you have to not show so much that the Cult Recruiter increases their chances of winning by knowing for certain who to select that you won’t shoot.
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Post Post #231 (ISO) » Fri Aug 15, 2014 12:36 pm

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Nope, I saw past Maru's shenagains and called it. Why you guys lynched Oka is beyond me, I mean HELLO Maru couldn't even explain his read or vote. Lazy scum is lazy and scum. Fuzzys hammer was survivalistic to the max.

I love this setup, I don't think many of you do because it takes some intense D1 scum hunting, Just the feeling I got. ..
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Post Post #232 (ISO) » Fri Aug 15, 2014 12:39 pm

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ProHawk, Vanilla Townie turned Cultist, has survived but lost


I betrayed my own and then was outcast by the cult, I am faction less :(
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Post Post #233 (ISO) » Fri Aug 15, 2014 12:45 pm

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In post 230, Rob14 wrote:1) I hate Maru’s meta. It allows him to get away with being completely anti-town in scum games because he’s practically playing against wincon in town games. smh

this made me lol so hard.

It wouldn't have worked as well as it did this game if not for all of the minecrafters, as seen once ProHawk replaced in.
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Post Post #234 (ISO) » Fri Aug 15, 2014 1:03 pm

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In post 230, Rob14 wrote:1) I hate Maru’s meta. It allows him to get away with being completely anti-town in scum games because he’s practically playing against wincon in town games. smh


This is also why I usually subscribe to policy lynches, depending on the policy.
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Post Post #235 (ISO) » Fri Aug 15, 2014 1:14 pm

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and this why you don't trust me who doesn't know how everyone plays make the shot
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Post Post #236 (ISO) » Fri Aug 15, 2014 1:19 pm

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I shot klazzy to reverse psych and thought he was being opportune scum and fussy last post eras was town
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Post Post #237 (ISO) » Fri Aug 15, 2014 1:24 pm

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In post 235, OkaPoka wrote:and this why you don't trust me who doesn't know how everyone plays make the shot


I told you who to shoot :P
I knew one of the two of you was scum.
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Post Post #238 (ISO) » Fri Aug 15, 2014 1:25 pm

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but I don't trust you.
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Post Post #239 (ISO) » Fri Aug 15, 2014 1:27 pm

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And that's why we lost. :p
Klaz was bleeding town.
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Post Post #240 (ISO) » Fri Aug 15, 2014 1:33 pm

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Goddamnit rob. I played as I did because of what you said.

Didn't matter in the end.

Though I think if rob gave me the right answer I'd have tried to lynch Maru. :( as i said in a pm to him I thought Maru was the cr,

I was hoping he'd have recruited me and I win that way.
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Post Post #241 (ISO) » Fri Aug 15, 2014 1:39 pm

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Yeah I should've played as town. I was just too tempted by a cult win.
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Post Post #242 (ISO) » Fri Aug 15, 2014 1:45 pm

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why did you lynch the outcast of the group.????
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Post Post #243 (ISO) » Fri Aug 15, 2014 1:50 pm

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Klazam wrote:Soooo

Techinally is playing to my endgame win condition aganist the rules?


I mean, way i figure it- i have a nonzero amount of suspicion of maru right now- dav is less likely a cult recruiter than maru is. But if i manage to get either dav or oka lynched, they'll shoot each other. Im pretty sure m's slot is town, and since he got replaced, im p sure that if maru was cult he would recruit me, because both dav and oka is deadset on each other and because the replacement isnt m, so maru would go for somebody he knows.

My best path to victory, seems to not care wheter town or scum wins. So if either dav or oka is scum, i win as town, or if maru is scum, i win as scum.

You know, theres no answer you could give here i think. Enjoy a glimpse in my thought process i guess lol.


Relevant pm to rob.

I shouldn't have flipped to oka, I should've stayed on dav and made him self hammer. That way Maru would be more likely to recruit me, and I would have won under my mistaken answer from Maru. The one day left just made me panic a bit.
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Post Post #244 (ISO) » Fri Aug 15, 2014 1:50 pm

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*mistaken answer from rob I mean
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Post Post #245 (ISO) » Fri Aug 15, 2014 2:24 pm

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TBF the relevant setup details were in the first few posts and the wiki page, but yes, I dun goofed. Apologies for that. If you had become cult, Klaz, then I would have given you a "win" as well due to my mistake in leading you down that path. Either way, your strategy failed - you weren't recruited.
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Post Post #246 (ISO) » Fri Aug 15, 2014 2:42 pm

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I recruited prohawk because i was originally going to recruit M, and i figured oka wouldnt shoot him, so it was safest to keep with my path
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Post Post #247 (ISO) » Fri Aug 15, 2014 3:09 pm

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In post 242, OkaPoka wrote:why did you lynch the outcast of the group.????


I told you I thought you were scum :p
I had it narrowed down between you and Maru. I honestly thought you were going to listen to me when I said "lynch Oka, shoot maru." M wouldn't have been okay with his lynch if he were scum, because he knows we'd do it, and Klaz just played too town to be scum.
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Post Post #248 (ISO) » Fri Aug 15, 2014 3:57 pm

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Aye my plan failed, "didnt matter in the end"

Good game all. (I wish m didnt flake T.T)
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Post Post #249 (ISO) » Fri Aug 15, 2014 3:58 pm

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Dav, how do i play too town to be scum?
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