Through the Looking-Glass [Game Over]

[Salamence20]

DO NOT OUTGUESS THE MOD. DO NOT VOTE PEOPLE BASED ON NEIGHBORHOOD BIAS. DO NOT ASSUME THE RELATIONS BETWEEN ALICES.

Also vote Konowa for the last game.

VOTE: Konowa

[Salamence20]

I still dont understand why he did that. Was he thinking it wasn't lylo?

[Salamence20]

EHEHEAHAHAEHAHAHA TROLL MOD IS TROLL

DROWN IN TEARS: MARQUIS

I have a day ability btw. It's not vanillaizing tho

[Salamence20]

Off with Notscience's head

Oh wait. Wrong game

[Salamence20]

Cho is this games version of 4burner

[Salamence20]

KATS is fullclaiming.

Go

[Salamence20]

who the fuck cares about guilties when lynching nacho?

he's a vi

only reason to keep him alive is he's a vi with a pr

I'd love to hear your definition of a vi

[Salamence20]

Actually, if nacho is this novice cop, it means hes useless until N2. If hes an actual cop, hes dead now. If hes not, lolwifom.

Also, Kats im guessing you do not know your sanity ala Vi from last game?

[Salamence20]

Sleepy and KATS have way too many posts.

I want Konowa votes. Don't like RC because gut

[Salamence20]

Sleepy and muffin scare me. Just because I dont have a definite feel for them yet.

Nati is nati. She lives today and deal with it later.

Why is Konowa town? I hope you understand I dont trust him because of our last encounter

[Salamence20]

Not interested.

[Salamence20]

WAIT BEFORE HAMMER.

I HAVE AN ABILITY TO BE USED BEFORE LYNCH.

I need to think

[Salamence20]

Still want Konowa/RC wagons.

Dont want anything else atm.

[Salamence20]

I'm also going to throw out that Salamence never provided the meta I asked for, but I doubt that I'd get to look at it the way I wanted before lynch/deadline anyway now.

I really don't mind this lynch because my thoughts pertaining to the guilty were really inconsistent and definitely looked fake and opportunistic. I might even support this wagon if it was on anyone else.

Oops. I did honestly forget.

But then again, why?

[Salamence20]

Konowa/RC guys

[Salamence20]

Konowa/RC guys

[Salamence20]

Is RC a hated scum? :/

If you think konowa is scum then he's town because he reads backwards and thus you should vote sk instead.

Yeah, then he claims *probable town pr* and then he wins as scum because of it. Not this time. Im not risking it.

Hated scum in a FG game seems reasonable.

[Salamence20]

i usually say that in every game regardless of my alignment but this time i'm serious

this is my serious face



i'm town

You can only say this in so many games where it almost becomes a trust tell.

[Salamence20]

Hated scum in a FG game seems reasonable.

I read RC as town based on his play fwiw.

Nope. Havent got the sense of the "father figure" type he portrays as town and he has just ran the two biggest wagons without offering and reads of his own.

Compare Epicmafiatime and space invader's posting vs. Pokerface's mini. One makes you think he is trying to actually scumhunt and lead town to victory by being calm and at times, joking around. The other is where he lacks this poise he has as town and is just "mean" or just noncaring of the game.

[Salamence20]

SK:

Why are you trying to meta me for?

[Salamence20]

Getting out of RVS ASAP regardless of alignment.

Town: Claiming a negative-pr role in last alice game.
Mafia: Claiming miller in epicmafiatime

[Salamence20]

[Salamence20]

You guys are pretty dum if you think votes on me are going to amount to anything.

feel the pressure, scumfuck

[Salamence20]

You guys are pretty dum if you think votes on me are going to amount to anything.

feel the pressure, scumfuck

stop ignoring me qq

I do not have the power to link my games at the moment on my phone/tablet. Sorry.

I explained how I roll in my most recent games.

[Salamence20]

Oh muffin you said you weren't sure about me a while ago. How come you have me as town (or at least not-scum) now?

Salamence I think I posed the same question to you a while back.

Because Konowa/RC are scum.

Also Nacho who is confscum (i think?) is voting you.

[Salamence20]

Hence the "i think"

I guess kats/rc/konowa.

Fuck ppl who fake daycop who arent named "salamence"

[Salamence20]

Anoint: RC and ZMuffinman

Konowa is good for lynching now

[Salamence20]

VOTE: RC

Kats too?

[Salamence20]

VOTE: RC

Kats too?

Hey sala you already did a good job outting the mason you want to continue pushing the incredibly unlikely hated scum too?

this game is too much

Vote Kats?

[Salamence20]

Salamence ANSWER MY FUCKING QUESTION
idk if I'm actually angry or just trying to imitate Katsuki

I ANSWERED EVERYTHING.

[Salamence20]

Going to work soon and I'm at L-2? Don't want you guys to derp hammer me while I'm not here because I honestly don't trust you guys to let me live till tomorrow morning to say anything.

I'm a mason. Tweedle--->dum<---, brother is Tweedledee.

So fake. I almost want to throw this by asking your mason to out.

But i have a better plan: was your thread open pregame?

[Salamence20]

Oh muffin you said you weren't sure about me a while ago. How come you have me as town (or at least not-scum) now?

Salamence I think I posed the same question to you a while back.

Because Konowa/RC are scum.

Also Nacho who is confscum (i think?) is voting you.

2 out of these 3 no longer hold

I guess the scum team is Nati/Sk/Kats/Muffin right? Because fuck fakegod

[Salamence20]

And how the fuck did you think Nacho was confscum anyway

Loldaycop

[Salamence20]

1162 is even after I made it to L-1. Someone explain to me how Salamence could be that fucking oblivious.

And how the fuck did you think Nacho was confscum anyway

Loldaycop

At post 1162? Which is way after Katsuki backs off? Yeah okay

I believe my abscence during that time may have something to do with it.

HENCE THE (I THINK) PART OF MY READS

[Salamence20]

VOTE: SK

What it probably is because FG is a bitch: Kats/Muffin/Nati/SK
What it will end up being: RC/Konowa/Nacho/Bins

[Salamence20]

Also im not thinking that town is antitown prs vs scum who have protown prs like last game

[Salamence20]

Okay L-2 with less than 2 days left and I'm the only big wagon so
White Queen, VT
Hood as I said earlier is with Nacho and Empking

Starlord is the white queen.
Whoooooo?

[Salamence20]

Nacho is scum. Fuck you sala

[Salamence20]

sala wagon? sala wagon can never be a bad thing ime

<3
I wouldnt mind. Im trying to leave the site for a few moths

[Salamence20]

sala wagon? sala wagon can never be a bad thing ime

he's actually town this time though why would you want to lynch town??? are you scum?

This is a scumtell 100% of the time.

[Salamence20]

Nacho and RC are confirmed scum.

I promise.

[Salamence20]

A part of me wants to modkill myself and call it a lynch ala "Toogs method"

[Salamence20]

I wish he was jester.

I wish

[Salamence20]

Hmmmm. Im not dead.

I want to see Nati put on a show today.

If its a spamtastic day 2, I will not post anymore

[Salamence20]

Also, how the fuck is Nacho sooooo good at reading me? He knows im town, he knows when Im scum, just wtf dude?

NACHO WHO ARE YOU AND STAY OUT OF MY INBOx

[Salamence20]

Finally, Red is most likely town. Muffin is lol.

[Salamence20]

Anoint: Konowa and RC

Inb4 scum mason

[Salamence20]

Its where I troll, win the game, do anti-town things to people, or maybe all three.

Idk if RC and Muffin know what I did to them.

Shhhhh plz

[Salamence20]

I wonder if RC is going to 1v1 me because of it.

This will be fun

[Salamence20]

VOTE: Muffin

[Salamence20]

no im not

Whats your read of me?

[Salamence20]

VOTE: RC

There's no light at the end of this tunnel.

VOTE: Brian

[Salamence20]

And from what I'm getting from a sense of FG as a mod, he seems to prefer negative utility Town roles, which would makes sense in RC as Town.

Mod WIFOM

[Salamence20]

Also, how the fuck is Nacho sooooo good at reading me? He knows im town, he knows when Im scum, just wtf dude?

NACHO WHO ARE YOU AND STAY OUT OF MY INBOx

Why did you make this post?

VOTE: RC

There's no light at the end of this tunnel.

If you'll want me to join you here, you'll need to do some convincing.

Because RC will probably 1v1 me today and I want to lol at him post game.

Consider me his biggest defender today

[Salamence20]

Konowa will 1v1 me tomorrow because why not

[Salamence20]

Sala, this ain't a BBMod. Are you scum?

Bins, you were sick in this game and that. Are you scum?

[Salamence20]

And from what I'm getting from a sense of FG as a mod, he seems to prefer negative utility Town roles, which would makes sense in RC as Town.

Mod WIFOM

Also, how the fuck is Nacho sooooo good at reading me? He knows im town, he knows when Im scum, just wtf dude?

NACHO WHO ARE YOU AND STAY OUT OF MY INBOx

Why did you make this post?

VOTE: RC

There's no light at the end of this tunnel.

If you'll want me to join you here, you'll need to do some convincing.

Because RC will probably 1v1 me today and I want to lol at him post game.

Consider me his biggest defender today

First post reads like you disagree with my statement and think RC is possible Scum.
Second post you are saying you are RC's biggest defender and implies RC as possible Town.

If I thought RC was town because hes hated would mean I would have townread him yesterday (i didnt)

I think hes town for other reasons

[Salamence20]

So there was no real reason for that post other than to make everyone think you're town?

Sala, please answer this question. It's important. I'm referring to 1629.

Not everyone, I dont give a fuck about you guys, this is between RC and I

[Salamence20]

I could get that notsci, but those are two different thoughts.

Disagree?

I'm not 1v1'ing anyone. I'm Town, get the fuck out.

You were JK last game. Scum JK. So if anti-town=town, does normal prs=scum?

Aka scum mason?

[Salamence20]

That's -not- what you just said though Sala.

#1672 implies RC Scum
#1673 implies RC Town.

Am I wrong in this?

Its not about the player, its about the game.

Outguessing the mod is why TOWN lost last game fyi

[Salamence20]

Sala, this ain't a BBMod. Are you scum?

Bins, you were sick in this game and that. Are you scum?

Correction! I was not sick in that game, I was dealing with stuff outside the game. Totally different. I'm town.

However, I did get a nosebleed when I was scum in a marathon. Don't know if that counts.

So, are you going to answer my question or ARE YOU SCUM?

Start posting actual shit before you come accusing me of beig scum. This is a distraction from you posting content aka fake scumhunting from the last time you were scum.

[Salamence20]

#1672's post had zero to do with yesterday's read.

Scum Mason would mean lying, which would mean bastard, which to Town's butthurt despite bitchiness Alice I wasn't bastard, this isn't advertised as bastard, thus it's not. Stop being butthurt Town, or just be Scum. Don't know.

Honest question.

Are you this aggressive as town? You didnt have this personality in the last game.

If so, meta.

[Salamence20]

Start posting actual shit before you come accusing me of beig scum. This is a distraction from you posting content aka fake scumhunting from the last time you were scum.

Whoa, major overreaction. When did I ever say you were scum?

Not too major. There wasnt no caps.

But you need to be an active participant.

[Salamence20]

#1672's post had zero to do with yesterday's read.

Scum Mason would mean lying, which would mean bastard, which to Town's butthurt despite bitchiness Alice I wasn't bastard, this isn't advertised as bastard, thus it's not. Stop being butthurt Town, or just be Scum. Don't know.

Honest question.

Are you this aggressive as town? You didnt have this personality in the last game.

If so, meta.

Ask Nacho, oh wait he's dead.

If you want meta, go get it yourself.

You were this much of an ass in that game. Are you always like this as town.

Yes or no?

[Salamence20]

Top of head straight gut I would be okay with Brian, Sala, or Muffing swinging.

Lets wait til tonight, k?

If you are town, we can work together, like we should have last game

[Salamence20]

Lol. There we go. Thats why hes town.

[Salamence20]

Btw, muffin knows I was reaction testing lol.

[Salamence20]

FG be like:

BLACKLISTBLACKLISTBLACKLISTBLACKLISTBLACKLISTBLACKLISTBLACKLIST

[Salamence20]

RC PLZ READ THE LAST POST IN THAT HOOD PLZ

[Salamence20]

It has been 9 posts since Salamence20 admitted to lying and misleading town with a scumclaim for-

oh wrong game.

Lol.

[Salamence20]

Ok, this might just end up being the most embarrassing moment I've had in a while, but I think Sala is town.

I promise. You might save a life.

Lynching me right now is a horrible idea.

You take me out of the game, the paranoia begins to fall and insanity ruins you.

[Salamence20]

If you are town, we can work together, like we should have last game

Wanting to work with scum in Alice I was the downfall for the town.

Nati and I have problems with hoods.

ALSO HE CLAIMED JK WTF WAS I SUPPOSED TO DO.

[Salamence20]

My only defense for muffin town is that RC would be dead instead of nacho

[Salamence20]

My only defense for muffin town is that RC would be dead instead of nacho

Nacho claimed cop.

A cop that cant cop until N2.

If I was scum I would be going somewhere else.

But im a traitor soooo.

[Salamence20]

Sal, you told me to read your last post in the neighborhood, but I'm not as swayed by your aggressive reaction tests since the last couple of completed games I've seen you as scum. In case you haven't noticed, I don't generally go for the whole, "It's so obvious I wouldn't do this as scum" WIFOM thing.

---

Kat, as I understand it, Sal claimed a traitor role. I asked him to clarify, and he reaffirmed that that's what he was and that he didn't expect us to both be town (?). I told him I would come after him. Now I think he's trying to get me to see it was all a fake claim so he could figure out if I was town or scum, but I don't really buy that.

Eh. I got nothing. I should have something, but I got nothing

[Salamence20]

Sal, you told me to read your last post in the neighborhood, but I'm not as swayed by your aggressive reaction tests since the last couple of completed games I've seen you as scum. In case you haven't noticed, I don't generally go for the whole, "It's so obvious I wouldn't do this as scum" WIFOM thing.

---

Kat, as I understand it, Sal claimed a traitor role. I asked him to clarify, and he reaffirmed that that's what he was and that he didn't expect us to both be town (?). I told him I would come after him. Now I think he's trying to get me to see it was all a fake claim so he could figure out if I was town or scum, but I don't really buy that.

Eh. I got nothing. I should have something, but I got nothing

WAIT I GOT IT.

Red I picked my players, FG didnt, hence why I anointed Konowa and RC today. That should answer your question

[Salamence20]

Yeah that's something Sal would do, sadly.

I actually had the idea from your "survivor" gambit.

I was looking to see if I could get some out of RC, since his posting in this thread was meh.

His neighborhood content though is A+

[Salamence20]

Brian/Muffin/?/?

Konowa?/RC/Sala/Nati/?/?/?/?/?

[Salamence20]

Sala is scummy...?

And that came out of nowhere

[Salamence20]

Konowa your posting from alice1 is different than alice2 imo

[Salamence20]

It makes me feel alittle better about you.

We are sooo going to break this game tonight

[Salamence20]

That doesn't make it not scummy, but luckily for him I am not allowed to detail why just now.

Kats already did. Lol

[Salamence20]

no im not

Whats your read of me?

[Salamence20]

wtf man cant you distance better with that don corlone?

fucking joke that you won that award over me

THAT AWARD WAS MINE.

VOTE: muffin

[Salamence20]

UNVOTE: Salamence20; VOTE: zMuffinMan

DV sold me. Sal is like an abusive spouse... I just keep going back to him. Desp is probably bussing!

I consider myself a ray rice fan, I guess

[Salamence20]

Im standing by a muffin lynch.

[Salamence20]

Yeah, we should have a candidates list or something.

I'm waiting to see what people say about muffin and reasons to lynch him. From this perspective, just to understand why people want to lynch certain people.

VoteCount 2.5

Brian Skies [6] - notscience, Bins, Cho, TiphaineDeath, Konowa, Katsuki
zMuffinMan [5] - DeasVail, Natirasha, Desperado, Salamence20, RedCoyote
RedCoyote [1] - Brian Skies

Not Voting [2]

- zMuffinMan, Froot Loop

With 14 alive it takes 8 to lynch

.

Deadline is September 30, 2014, at 11:00 AM PST.
Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2014-09-30 12:00:00)

[Salamence20]

Im standing by a muffin lynch.

[Salamence20]

Nati, permission to sheep your reads forever and ever and ever and ever?

[Salamence20]

YES!

[Salamence20]

Red, on me, Im taking back my crown

VOTE: Cho

[Salamence20]

Btw im sheeping konowas reads til endgame because his meet up with mine

[Salamence20]

LOLOLOL

THIS VIG IS GOLD

VOTE: DV

Not interested.

He may be wrong, but hes not scum.

[Salamence20]

Anoint: RC and Nati

Time to talk to the people I abuse

[Salamence20]

Actually Konowa did not claimed loved, so are we doing multiball/vig/SK or something of the sort?

[Salamence20]

Bins/cho/BRIAN/Nati

[Salamence20]

Why is DV scum?

Am I missing something?

[Salamence20]

There are no 3rd party aligned roles in this game.
There is only one scum faction in this game.

And there's that.

So like I said...Deas/Bins/Sala.

Most likely, I'm not aligned with Bins this game.

As I said in both hoods, No SCUMTEAM of mine would kill a cop who is useless until D2 when I can kill the mason.

[Salamence20]

There are no 3rd party aligned roles in this game.
There is only one scum faction in this game.

And there's that.

So like I said...Deas/Bins/Sala.

Most likely, I'm not aligned with Bins this game.

As I said in both hoods, No SCUMTEAM of mine would kill a cop who is useless until D2 when I can kill the mason.

That's a pretty silly statement given that I'm sure Empking would be calling the shots over you, not to mention from the looks of things, Nacho was ready to push for Empking D2 given that was what he wanted at the end of D1.

Nacho kill D1 was because of his skill rather than his power so my point is moot I guess.

[Salamence20]

Why is DV scum?

Am I missing something?

KATS, Desp, NS PLZ answer?

[Salamence20]

Anoint: RC and Nati

Time to talk to the people I abuse

[Salamence20]

There are no 3rd party aligned roles in this game.
There is only one scum faction in this game.

And there's that.

So like I said...Deas/Bins/Sala.

Most likely, I'm not aligned with Bins this game.

As I said in both hoods, No SCUMTEAM of mine would kill a cop who is useless until D2 when I can kill the mason.

Fuck you salamence

[Salamence20]

Anyone up for neighborhood claims?

ALSO SOMEONE EXPLAIN WHY THEY ARE VOTING DV? BECAUSE WHY?

VOTE: Brian

[Salamence20]

Oh hey. A wagon that might actually be on scum.

Vote: DV

Although, I have no idea why people are suddenly interested in going here, and I'd love to know.

Red, this is why. A little bit influenced by Bins' townflip and this:

Stop voting for me. As I have already said, I am already almost confirmed town. I was in a three-person neighborhood with TiphaineDeath, who flipped scum, and even if the neighborhood had two scum and one town (which is highly unlikely),

1) it would be Desperado, who refrained from interacting with either of us, but again, unlikely scenario.
2) there's absolutely no way our interactions in the neighborhood are interactions between scumpartners; assuming he's town, Desperado can vouch for this.

[Salamence20]

Vig should not claim.

[Salamence20]

STILL WAITING FOR WHY DV IS SCUM.

Nati, how confident are you on desp?

[Salamence20]

Stalling is a scum's game.

I hate stalling.

[Salamence20]

Nope.

Massclaim

[Salamence20]

Pretty sure one scum voted already.

[Salamence20]

Im Alice #2

[Salamence20]

VOTE: Kats

[Salamence20]

If you honestly think Im a mafia beloved princess, then I would love to hear a reason why I am alive at this point vs getting lynched D1.

[Salamence20]

Actually, another question:

Why am I not self-hammering right now? Hmmmmmmmmm

[Salamence20]

Because a living scum member is better than a nonliving one?

Oh NATI, you underestimate me

[Salamence20]

whee alice witchhunt, i have very fond memories of those!

And Im scum because?

Note: Im not voting you because youre an Alice. Im voting you because you have tried to get DV lynched by voting him in your first post yesterday and today.

[Salamence20]

Red were you in another hood? Yes or no?

Also, if you were in his hood, FG has to tell you he is town if he is Friendly Neighbor.

Also, That ability can't exist with my ability, right? Two town neighborizers? Odd. Unless KATS wants to come out and claim that all three Alice's are neighborizers.

[Salamence20]

I mean, it's really (x1000) odd for FG to put a positive town role in this game.

[Salamence20]

2 goons 1-2 unkown mafia roles.

Neighborizer, Friendly Neighbor, Hated, hindered cop, Mason/lovers.

[Salamence20]

VOTE: Desp

Annoint: Kats and NS

[Salamence20]

You felt good about a muffin lynch and we know how that went.

[Salamence20]

You felt good about a muffin lynch and we know how that went.

Shut up, scum!

I don't feel good about a Desperado lynch and I don't know why!

Probably something to do with me being town.

Lol & lol

[Salamence20]

VOTE: Salamence

Nat

do you need a tissue

[Salamence20]

Can't DV shoot Desp if we want tonight?

I can agree to this, but then we have to lynch Kat based on what he's said today.

Anyone that hasn't obviously put me in the town category is suspect just based on the flips alone.

Oh, and btw, WHY WOULD I CLAIM HATED ON D1? I'm not smart enough to create a fakeclaim like that as scum.

Not saying you can as scum, but if I can do it successfully twice as scum, you could easily do it here. Don't cut yourself short

[Salamence20]

Who was the third vote?

Did you just forget youre hated!?

[Salamence20]

Not moving my vote.

[Salamence20]

Thanks Nati, you prevented yourself from winning.

[Salamence20]

DV, why didnt you shoot?

[Salamence20]

DV, why didnt you shoot?

How do you know I didn't?

If you shot KATS or I, you suck.

Thanks Nati, you prevented yourself from winning.

Are you calling me scum?

Yes.

[Salamence20]

Im giving Desp the game if he is scum.

Should have been the lynch yesterday.

[Salamence20]

Oh?

Why does him getting lynched yesterday or today make a difference?

Because the possibility of lylo worries me with both my suspects alive.

Had desp flipped town yesterday we would have either really-town RC or conftown NS alive today

[Salamence20]

CONF TOWN CONFIRMING!

[Salamence20]

I really dont like Nati now.

[Salamence20]

Kats confirm yourself and Ill counterwagon

[Salamence20]

VOTE: Nati

Muffin Paranoia.
That weak vote on RC.
DV being obvtown
(NS being pissed because two scum 1 hood, if I am wrong)
Kats and I are Alice.
If its one scum, its not lylo, but hopefully Nati is the last)

[Salamence20]

If Kats was scum, idk why you kill NS when NS said in the hood that he is autovoting me and that I would self if NS tunneled me

[Salamence20]

If DV is scum, they have two kills a night, which means they could have won sooner if they didnt waste DV's shots on his buddies

[Salamence20]

:/

[Salamence20]

We did it desp!

[Salamence20]

It was DV/I.

You guys were fucked from the start

[Salamence20]

If I was scum, RC would have been lynched by me after forgetting he was hated

[Salamence20]

Frankly because I believe all three Alice's are town.

Let me think. Its more likely that Alice is scum than 2 scum in 1 hood in my opinion

[Salamence20]

I swear to fuck if you two were scum there will be words

DAYVIG: SALA

ITS NOT TOO LATE RITE?!??

<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< not scum

For me it comes down to who faked it better

[Salamence20]

Well its either:

1. Go with my original plan: If it wasnt Nati, its Desp because I believe both Alices are town.
2. Find a way to plead with Desp and lynch Kats because 2 Scum 1 hood < Scum Alice

[Salamence20]

VOTE: Kats

THIS GAME DOESNT END ON MY NECK

[Salamence20]

wonderful

Vote: Sala

Holy shit NS was right. Alice is scum.

Shit.

Makes sense now, you kill NS, we gang up on Nati, you kill DV and we gang up on Desp, right.

I made a good choice not speedvoting Desp, as I wanted to, but more I thought about it, Desp's (I'm not scum) comment felt more real than Kat's (DAVYVIG SALA) simply because he already used the fake day-power DAY ONE on Nacho.

[Salamence20]

Poor sala didn't even try and sell me on Desp. XD

Well yeah, you expected a speedvote. I only speedvote when:

A. I'm scum
B. I'm 99% positive of someone being scum

I felt really tempted to vote Desp as soon as the day started, I'm glad I hesitated.

[Salamence20]

A lot of his stances this game have been convenient.

Not to mention I would not have shot notty N4 as scum given what was said in the Alice QT. Since we now know that scum was in the QT that night, notty wasn't shot by someone with no knowledge of what occurred in there that night. I would've just sheeped the confirmed town in voting Sala given his threat of self-voting if notty voted him rather than shooting him.

1. Not quite, since there was only one scum, killing (NATI/DV/Desp) N4 means I get lynched, leaving you in Lylo with people that would probably buy the *last ALICE is scum* wifom with NATI/DV/Desp.

DV may have voted Desp in Lylo, but I doubt it based on NATI/I flipping town (You/Desp/DV Lylo)
Nati would have voted you before Desp, especially because I flipped town (Nati/Desp/You Lylo)

Your most optimal plays would be Desp/You/Me and You/Me/Nati, because DV was CONFTOWN to me, meaning you auto lose in DV/Sala/Kats.

You were playing expecting me to goof.

The Joke is on you

2. In what world do I (as scum) win here? Don't you think I would have killed anyone but DV and lynch Desp? I mean sure, I could persuade KATS to Desp, but why wouldn't I have voted Desp earlier today? I literally made it much more difficult for the scumteam to win here

ALSO I WOULD NOT FUCKING KILL THE COP THAT CANT COP NIGHT ONE WHEN THERE ARE MASONS THAT WERE OUTTED. I DONT CARE IF EMPKING IS THE MASTER OF ALL OF MAFIASCUM, ITS A DUMB PLAY AND I WOULD NOT HAVE ANY PART IN IT. (WIFOM IS WIFOMMY)

[Salamence20]

I could see you NK'ing DV to frame desp, but then was scared that I wouldn't follow you onto it and chickened out by voting me. It's really a matter of hedging on who you think was most likely to mislynch with you, and I guess you settled on desp over me.

And I really don't believe that you'd be leading the scumteam when you have Empking as scum lol.

But why let you live when DV was set on Desp and I as scum could vote Desp?

I just made this game harder in that case.

Also, I wouldn't be leading, I would spam the fuck out of the PT TO KILL KONOWA BECAUSE MASONS > USELESS COP. LIKE HOLY FUCK WHAT WERE YOU THINKING.

[Salamence20]

Oh did we ever mention that I'M FUCKING CLEARED GIVEN THAT THERE'S ONLY 3 SCUM AND TD DIED MEANING THAT I COULDN'T POSSIBLY BE HIS BUDDY ELSE HE WOULD NEVER HAVE DIED TO THE VIG SHOT?!?!?

LOLOL GG SALA

You know, I was thinking about that.

There's no roleblocker.
No redirect.

So that means:

1. DV's Vig was Strongman
2. You didn't protect that night, for some reason

[Salamence20]

I was just about to type how my role nveer made sense as a scumrole but then remembered this HAHAHUEHEHEHEHUEHUEHUEHUAHUAHAHA GET REKT

Because mafia doctor is not a real role.

You could just be full of shit or FG made your role useless.

I could see both scenarios.

I'm queen alice, Alice past the last brook.

YOU WILL NOT PULL ME THROUGH THE LOOKING GLASS.

[Salamence20]

Now that I know you're scum, that's ironic choice of avatar.

[Salamence20]

DAYVIG: SALA

ITS NOT TOO LATE RITE?!??

I counted KATS faking a day-ability 4 times this game.

DAYVIG Cho x2
DAYCOP guilty Nacho (makes me suspect Rolecop, honestly)
Dayvig Sala

[Salamence20]

My pride.

It's also hard to fight this lynch when if Katsuki does pull this shit as scum, this is mine.

Vote: Empking

This is objectively the best lynch.

Sala is town. Fuck you nacho

why aren't we voting empking again???

Even after Empking flips scum?

Ohhhhhhhh, that's why Nacho died N1 instead of masons. Cool.

[Salamence20]

Katsuki/Muffin/Brian

I hope that's not a scumlist.

Too bad it is!

That's a fucking terrible scumlist and you should feel dirty and bad for even typing it.

How about a deal - your vote belongs to me after this Nachoscumlynch.

SOOO defensive. Wow

[Salamence20]

KATS have way too many posts.

Are you kidding when I don't post no one posts.

You guys make this game feel like Alice in Zombieland. Here have a video.

When I get back from work remind me to see how many of your 300+ posts are actually full of content,

[Salamence20]

2. In what world do I (as scum) win here? Don't you think I would have killed anyone but DV and lynch Desp? I mean sure, I could persuade KATS to Desp, but why wouldn't I have voted Desp earlier today? I literally made it much more difficult for the scumteam to win here

This is the only reason I haven't hammered you yet. But the last time I used the "I'm totally here to hammer X, so I'll hammer Y instead!" I mishammered. Why should I make the same mistake twice?

I love WIFOM. I really do.

But a quick win in Lylo > long and wifomy.

Why would I go after KATS as scum when I could have had an easier time crossing you and talking Kats?

(Or just killing Kats last night and putting an end to this by humping his leg)

[Salamence20]

His = DV

[Salamence20]

2. In what world do I (as scum) win here? Don't you think I would have killed anyone but DV and lynch Desp? I mean sure, I could persuade KATS to Desp, but why wouldn't I have voted Desp earlier today? I literally made it much more difficult for the scumteam to win here

This is the only reason I haven't hammered you yet. But the last time I used the "I'm totally here to hammer X, so I'll hammer Y instead!" I mishammered. Why should I make the same mistake twice?

I love WIFOM. I really do.

But a quick win in Lylo > long and wifomy.

Why would I go after KATS as scum when I could have had an easier time crossing you and talking Kats?

(Or just killing Kats last night and putting an end to this by humping his leg)

You know, I wouldn't put anything past you, ESPECIALLY after the shit you pulled in [REDACTED]. Your scumplay is very unconventional and unpredictable, and I've learned that there is method to your madness.

You know, there's a difference between a gambit and straight out taunting.

Doing that is not benefitial to my team AT ALL. It would be taunting.

I'm pretty sure Matsin explained it well.

[Salamence20]

"He is explicitly NOT a VI. His playstyle relies on people thinking he is a VI, but as both alignments, ending up underestimating him. As scum, he can cruise by thanks to people erroneously making this assumption (when he's actually one of the most deadly scum players I've witnessed, and that really says something!), but it is NOT VIing to the detriment of his towngame; his towngame is similarly misattributed to being moronic, but I know it to not be. (I happen to disagree with his tactics and think promoting them is a bad thing, but I also know the mindset behind them, and precisely why it can be so lethal to scum.)"

Now unless I am a complete and utter moron (I'm not), DV and I had this wrapped up.

THE DV NIGHT KILL.

MAKES. NO. SENSE.

AT. ALL.

AS SALA SCUM.

EVER.

[Salamence20]

Oh did we ever mention that I'M FUCKING CLEARED GIVEN THAT THERE'S ONLY 3 SCUM AND TD DIED MEANING THAT I COULDN'T POSSIBLY BE HIS BUDDY ELSE HE WOULD NEVER HAVE DIED TO THE VIG SHOT?!?!?

LOLOL GG SALA

I mean, you could just be a lying bastard. And as genuine as your vanilla doc before DV's vanilla vig claim was, it also could have been a mod-provided fakeclaim.

If you think it's a fakeclaim then there's not much I can say tbh. That's something that you need to decide, but I am a vanilla doc, and my play this game has been nothing but town motivated.

Just look at Sala this page, he's grasping at whatever straws he can hoping one sticks in your mind (eg. fake day actions (not even alignment indicative, if anything protown), misreps like #2506 (nacho had me read as town but ofc sala goes and cherrypicks a post where nacho mentions 'kat' and 'scum' together even when he's not calling me scum), and #2508 (more straws). None of these even indicate me as scum yet he's hoping they make me look bad (they don't).

As for the night actions, you'll have to ask Sala post-game, I can't guess at why he made the ones he did outside of the Notty kill N4. I'd hate to lose to Sala scum but if I get lynched because of how he managed to explain how he set up this LYLO then I have nothing to say. I ask that you look at his play and his sudden bloodlust now that he smells my lynch coming. If you want me to detail how I'm town or how Sala is scum I'm sure I can, but I'm apparently not alignment confirmed in your mind so I would expect you to question what I say, whereas you know you're town and thus know that at least your thinking is coming from town. Whether it's right or wrong we'll see I guess, but in my mind, Sala is pretty obviously scum and when he realized that there was a very small chance of me voting you, he decided to turn on me and hope to achieve the mislynch that way. Hopefully you'll see the light and I'm happy to answer any concerns you have if I can, but that's really the most I can do for you at this point. Ultimately, the game is in your hands, and I hope we can pull this through.

This dumb doc ability DOESNT make you a saint, it's dumb and I guarentee you that DV was strongarmed or you were weak, explaining the TD kill. Your ability may be hindered to where it doesn't matter if you protect your scumbuddy at all.

Also, care to explain why I as scum am bothering to cross you when I could have crossed Desp because we agreed in the PT that it was Desp/Nati/both?

[Salamence20]

Ive already stated the possibilties of your claim.

Pretty sure I started the day with "both alices are town," so why would I pull a 180°?

Im missing the part where you changed from Desp/Nati to Me.

[Salamence20]

Btw, before you scream "I NEVER DID"

Im talking about the PT

[Salamence20]

Oh.

Notty: Convince me not to instavote Sala

*Sala tries unsuccessfully to convince notty he's not scum by saying that he wouldve hammered RC*

Sala: GG IMMA ARONIS

If I were scum I would've just kept notty because there's nothing more town than sheeping conftown + guaranteed mislynch.

That logic is flawed because there is only one scum. This only works if there were two scum, otherwise you would be looking at Desp/Nati/Kats.

You couldn't convince Nati to vote Desp.

[Salamence20]

Ive already stated the possibilties of your claim.

Pretty sure I started the day with "both alices are town," so why would I pull a 180°?

Im missing the part where you changed from Desp/Nati to Me.

1)

Because my reads wern't what you expected them to be, and you sensed danger.

2)

That's precisely what fell apart in your plan. Reads change when there's 6 alive and when there's 3, and you failed to account for the possibility that I might find you scummier.

I'm missing the point yesterday when you said I'm voting Sala.

[Salamence20]

Actually, you were pretty agreeable with me yesterday about Nati, then you turn against me today?

Sounds like a setup

[Salamence20]

I try to argue with this, but I get stumped after the point where I give a fuck about Kats reads enough to leave him alive over manipulating DV (who I've been calling town since muffins death, called me town, and Desp scum) and finishing this.

But go ATE. Have fun.

[Salamence20]

I really got nothing else either. I don't got the backstory like you and Kats do.

I wish you the best of luck Desp, 50-50. I won't blame you. I wasn't playing a strong town game here.

(But do I ever? Not really)

[Salamence20]

You lost.

Nice play Kats. You got me good.

[Salamence20]

I only had one read right.
But it was

the

read.

Seriously though, props to Kats and to DV. Sorry for my stupidity. And for my THREE HUNDRED posts.

Your self hammer was justified though.

Muffin on the other hand.

Sorry town that I fucked up