Through the Looking-Glass [Game Over]

[SleepyKrew]

Do you even regatta

[SleepyKrew]

sleepykrew who is scum that isn't katsuki

I named some people I wanted to look at earlier (Salamence/Nati/Desperado/Brian/you I think) but idk if I'm actually going to do it.
I know it might not seem that way but I've already withdrawn my emotional investment in this game so my lynch only hurts a little.

[SleepyKrew]

I like Percival Ulysses Cox

[SleepyKrew]

Oh I don't think I've claimed town yet
I'm town
Everyone vote Katsuki now plz

[SleepyKrew]

I'm waiting for Desp to come in and say that my look-into list is shit.

[SleepyKrew]

If my scumhunting accuracy ever reaches 40% I will shit my pants
I wouldn't be surprised if there are 0 scum. I think I might have the highest ratio of experience to skill on the site.
No townreads really jump to mind which is unfortunate. I'll say that I don't think Empking is scummy for being "I don't wanna vote Nacho but guilty" because I had the same thought at some point somewhere along my rollercoaster trajectory.

[SleepyKrew]

Dammit AP

Like I said earlier, I'm probably getting lynched at some point unless there's an investigate result (which I think would be a waste), so I'd rather it be now instead of later so there's less consequences.

[SleepyKrew]

Oh muffin you said you weren't sure about me a while ago. How come you have me as town (or at least not-scum) now?

Salamence I think I posed the same question to you a while back.

[SleepyKrew]

what is the difference in terms of consequences? it's the same number of lynches anyway

i dont really feel like lynching you even despite your avatar

Lynching a townie in LYLO/to set up LYLO is worse than lynching one before. Plus maybe you guys'll do something useful with my flip idk.

you said you weren't sure about me a while ago

did i

Yeah and I wanna know what happened
You keep saying you don't want to lynch me but you're putting in about as much effort as I am into actually changing anything.
I *might* move my vote later if I do my Nati meta. She's reminding me of the scum Nati I've seen but I've only seen scum Nati.

[SleepyKrew]

I might care more if you can light a fire under me

[SleepyKrew]

.

[SleepyKrew]

No man I just got sprayed with some weird space tomato juice

[SleepyKrew]

If you can convince people I'm town, then I'd be very happy not being lynched. But I can't convince people I'm town because idk why anyone is townreading me besides Froot (activity = town) and DV (scum Skrew wouldn't make a mistake), and neither of those arguments is very convincing.

[SleepyKrew]

?

[SleepyKrew]

is it wifom if i say you haven't changed your scummy-as-fuck avatar yet so you probably don't care that you look scummy-as-fuck which is more of a town trait than a scum trait

I can't change my avatar unless AP tells me to.
Though I think I'm free once October starts?

[SleepyKrew]

Words please

[SleepyKrew]

stop ignoring me qq

[SleepyKrew]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Konowa
flail flail

[SleepyKrew]

So Cho why'd you vote and unvote me

[SleepyKrew]

Salamence why do you ignore me

[SleepyKrew]

Oh muffin you said you weren't sure about me a while ago. How come you have me as town (or at least not-scum) now?

Salamence I think I posed the same question to you a while back.

[SleepyKrew]

Nacho is my Katsuki case wrong :/

PEDIT: sorry Nacho some of it is fluff and some isn't
Blame muffin for the fluff

PEDIT2: Nacho is confscum?

[SleepyKrew]

i'm very happy you're making a super special effort to stay involved this game, i'm just wondering what spurred the play if you know what i mean

I always post a lot (too much)

[SleepyKrew]

UNVOTE:
So are we back to lynching me
Nacho why is Emp scum?

[SleepyKrew]

So Cho why'd you vote and unvote me

[SleepyKrew]

So do I think Katsuki's scum because his gambit would have outed the cop if the cop wasn't me?
No, not really. I do think the daycop situation gave a hell of a lot more information than a majority of RVS's I've seen.

We were already out of RVS though :/

[SleepyKrew]

So are we back to lynching me

: |

wipe that frown off your face, sleepy. it takes more muscles to frown than smile or something like that

I wanna sheep you but you don't seem to happy with your Bins vote. So I'm gonna see if sheeping Nacho is enticing.

[SleepyKrew]

i fucking swear

i read half of sleepy's posts like he's marvin from the hitchhiker series

i feel so depressed

One day I'll bother reading those and then I will come back to this post
Or maybe I'll just watch the movie
But for now, Nati meta time!

[SleepyKrew]

Why are we questioning daycop?

Katsuki's a good enough player not to do that shit without reason.

someone smart tell me if this quote is relevant

[SleepyKrew]

But for now, Nati meta time!

So far this has been fruitless :/

[SleepyKrew]

Why were you even doing that in the first place?

I wanna be more useful than you

[SleepyKrew]

So I thought I noticed a distinction between Nati's town D1 play and her scum D1 play until I got to the previous Alice game. Sadness.

[SleepyKrew]

Know what? I think she still felt more engaged there than she does here or in her scum games.
VOTE: Nati
Call it gut. Call it shitty meta. Call it SleepyKrew survivalism (lol). But she's not made any effort to engage whatsoever and that seems to be more scum-Nati.

[SleepyKrew]

Yeah I singlehandedly made Konowa claim and I'm gonna do it again with Nati
Look out world

[SleepyKrew]

No muffin remember I already claimed town
I think that means I'm conftown?

[SleepyKrew]

Konowa only claimed Mason but I claimed town so I'm townier than him

[SleepyKrew]

gauge my eyes out pls

You're just jealous because muffin wants to fluff with me now instead of you

[SleepyKrew]

Salamence ANSWER MY FUCKING QUESTION
idk if I'm actually angry or just trying to imitate Katsuki

[SleepyKrew]

Oh muffin you said you weren't sure about me a while ago. How come you have me as town (or at least not-scum) now?

Salamence I think I posed the same question to you a while back.

Because Konowa/RC are scum.

Also Nacho who is confscum (i think?) is voting you.

2 out of these 3 no longer hold

[SleepyKrew]

And how the fuck did you think Nacho was confscum anyway

[SleepyKrew]

And how the fuck did you think Nacho was confscum anyway

Loldaycop

At post 1162? Which is way after Katsuki backs off? Yeah okay

[SleepyKrew]

1162 is even after I made it to L-1. Someone explain to me how Salamence could be that fucking oblivious.

[SleepyKrew]

It wasn't a push; I'm genuinely baffled.

[SleepyKrew]

+ Nati push
Yeah I haven't made many pushes. How's that scummy?
Also did you answer why Empking is scummy?

[SleepyKrew]

Also did you answer why Empking is scummy?

No.

plz do

So I thought I noticed a distinction between Nati's town D1 play and her scum D1 play until I got to the previous Alice game. Sadness.

Know what? I think she still felt more engaged there than she does here or in her scum games.
VOTE: Nati
Call it gut. Call it shitty meta. Call it SleepyKrew survivalism (lol). But she's not made any effort to engage whatsoever and that seems to be more scum-Nati.

here is Nati
I said I was gonna check her meta earlier

[SleepyKrew]

Yeah I haven't made many pushes. How's that scummy?

How are you going to catch scum if you aren't making pushes?
And if you aren't showing an effort to catch scum despite being around a lot... what are you doing?

How come I'm the only person that's active but not scumhunting that you seem to care about

[SleepyKrew]

Okay L-2 with less than 2 days left and I'm the only big wagon so
White Queen, VT
Hood as I said earlier is with Nacho and Empking

[SleepyKrew]

I don't think the two real pushes I've done (Kats and Nati) have been shallow :/

[SleepyKrew]

Kat push is shallow because it's based on Kat being anti-town: when this was challenged, you never attempted to defend it.

Would I be able to change your mind?
Plus not all of it was just about the guilty on you.

[SleepyKrew]

Nat push is shallow because it boils down to "Nat lurks as scum", which 1) isn't exactly true, she lurks plenty as town and 2) she also recently moved to chicago so is probably busy doing things with waffles.

She hasn't been moving to Chicago all of D1, and my quick meta made me think that as town, she usually at least attempts to engage during D1. I never said it was activity level.

[SleepyKrew]

It's funny because he started townreading me when I stopped opposing his claim, and didn't say anything when I voted Nacho.
He also didn't vote me until my wagon started getting momentum. In fact, it was his vote that made my wagon exceed the wagon on his previous vote (Froot). His scumread was so strong that he was willing to abandon muffin to vote me, but only if 3 other people did first

I'm not really following this point too well.

He's voting me for my 180 wrt the guilty (he has cited the part where I voted you, not the part where I voted him again). When I initially dropped my opposition (stopped calling the guilty fake), he townread me for it. When I voted you and put you at L-1, he didn't bat an eyelash and called for a hammer instead of saying anything about me.

Re: Nati-meta
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go

As town, he characterized his play as "usually slow starts". I agree with that.

*she/her
In the ~15 days of D1 in that game, she made nearly 40 posts, some of which even included *content* (this game seemed like and outlier to me actually). I know that she starts slow. That's why I metad her instead of just voting her for lurking. And while she lurks D1 as both alignments (usually, again I think the game you linked was an exception), her posts as town sometimes try to actually get into the game.

[SleepyKrew]

Kat push is shallow because it's based on Kat being anti-town: when this was challenged, you never attempted to defend it.

Would I be able to change your mind?
Plus not all of it was just about the guilty on you.

Sure, you'd be able to change my mind. I don't think I'm being unreasonable about this, do you?

"I think choosing Nacho makes it scummy"
"Actually we have a thing so it's not scummy"
How am I supposed to argue that?

[SleepyKrew]

I see Katsuki's play before the guilty as sort of a play in reaction testing mode: most of his pushes and his play were geared towards pushing my lynch for reactions. As a result, I can see why he would call you town without really meaning it, and I can see why he wouldn't immediately call you out on a vote that he later regarded as sketchy. After reaction test is over and he's mostly considering me town, he starts looking and analyzing the wagon that formed after the fake guilty.

But he already had me as a scumread. Yet he went out of his way to interact with me and this interaction gave him his supposed townread. And I don't think he's considering you as town?

Her posts as town sometimes actually try to get into the game, but usually don't. So voting her for not getting into the game when she usually doesn't is a bit of a ???.

Because as town, some of the D1 posts are trying to get into the game. In this game, none of them are. Sometimes she tries to engage D1 as scum, but the instances I found with no engagement whatsoever were all scum games.

I think choosing a strong player Katsuki was afraid of would have made it scummy if he had a reasonable chance of actually getting me lynched. I think it surprised Katsuki when his bullshit fake guilty actually went through (most fake guilties are dismissed pretty readily), so when a serious wagon actually formed, it doesn't surprise me at all that he tried to make the most of it. I don't think Katsuki-scum would be happy with a 1v1 with town!Nacho (he can kill me N1 if he's that afraid of me), but I do see why Katsuki would put special emphasis on reading a friend.

So like I said: I'm not going to convince you.

[SleepyKrew]

I just didn't really understand the SK wagon and his reaction to it was townie.

Pretty sure I explained it myself at least once? Elaborate on what my reaction was and why it's town.


DV, why are you townreading Bins so hard and why do you think you can pull off a deadline muffin lynch just by saying "he's not as town as he thinks". Like, muffin's been pinging me too, but there's no way you're going to get a D1 muffin lynch (especially at deadline!) because of gut. And I'm not even sure if my gut is still pinging.

[SleepyKrew]

Nacho unvoted me because he wants to sheep muffin even though Nacho has a scumread on me and muffin wants to sheep Nacho? Okey dokey
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Bins

[SleepyKrew]

Dear anyone that just thought

wow skrew's been really survivalistic

, no I fucking haven't. Pay attention.

[SleepyKrew]

what the fuck muffin
fuckmuffin the what

[SleepyKrew]

As for Bins, my townread comes largely from her response to being wagoned. It is exactly how I often feel when I'm town about to get lynched.

I'm town, I'll be better D2, I agree with the person that called the case on me bad, here's my claim
Those all seem pretty null generally?
But have you went and checked to see how she reacts to getting wagoned as both alignments? How you react to a wagon is a player-specific thing, so I don't know why "she's acting like I would as town" = "she's town". Maybe that's how she reacts as scum because people read it as town?

[SleepyKrew]

I'm sorry guys. I've been in bed rest all day with a really high fever.

I'm town. I don't have anything to add because I haven't read up and I really apologize for that.

I really hope she doesn't flip out while she's sick

Nah, I'll accept it. I haven't done anything.

All I can really do is promise that content will go up Day 2.

These posts really speak to me.

The first one is after four votes and I don't think it's a reaction to anything. She's just apologizing for being sick. The second one is after a fifth vote and just says she promises to do better D2.
Hang on a sec...

[SleepyKrew]

or we play the mafia vote version of chicken til the deadline

first to vote loses

Before he sheeped you, he was voting me, so

[SleepyKrew]

I really hope she doesn't flip out while she's sick

Nah, I'll accept it. I haven't done anything.

All I can really do is promise that content will go up Day 2.

So we're voting Bins because she's apathetic? Doesn't sound like a real winner of a case to me.

I don't know why anyone has commented on this being bad yet. Brian literally placed a vote on me and said nothing else, followed by Nati. Then just a bunch of the same.

(This might be the first time I get lynched ever so I'm bracing myself for sadness.) ;-;

Especially nothing has been mentioned about what I've said. And I'm explaining why I haven't done anything.

I have to go to school now. But if I get into the position to claim, I'm a VT with no neighbours. My flavour is a Black Kitten.

The case on me is bad and I'm going to specifically point out these two votes that were already there when I made the post where I said could accept it.

PEDIT: no it was me grabbing quotes

[SleepyKrew]

People don't read it as town though, that's the thing. People read 'scumhunting' as town, not what Bins is doing.

Well then maybe she does it as scum because that's how she reacts as town, or she does it as scum just because. You're still going to need to actually check.

[SleepyKrew]

Also did she say she'd rather lynch herself than me
Uh

PEDIT: Yes and I've even said I'd probably support a wagon on anyone else with the same reasoning.

[SleepyKrew]

I would also probably say "bullshit" whenever the poor sap explains it was a lapse in judgement and not evil intent.

[SleepyKrew]

Why are you avoiding just doing the meta check

[SleepyKrew]

How confident are you DV? Between 50% and 100% sure

[SleepyKrew]

So Cho why'd you vote and unvote me

[SleepyKrew]

You should share those thoughts.

[SleepyKrew]

This is not the right time to play hangman you cheeky little fuck.

[SleepyKrew]

Oh, my mistake. I'll wait until Twilight.

Damn right you will.

[SleepyKrew]

e

Hey are you happy with No Lynch because that's what it seems like

[SleepyKrew]

You could sheep me on Nati

[SleepyKrew]

but if nati is town ill feel bad. i wont feel bad about pretty much anyone else flipping town in a worst case scenario

Oh then you should vote Katsuki

[SleepyKrew]

ugh Nacho why'd you unvote Bins

[SleepyKrew]

Yeah I'm really trying to avoid my lynch lol

[SleepyKrew]

My Mafia intuition tells me that Bins is town. I will not stand in the way of her being lynched, but I do not sense anything sinister behind her posts. Call me a chump, but I like the gal.

Like compare this to santyshark that's just been doing nothing waiting to take advantage of whatever wagon he can

Fitting how he was on both konowa and bins, and acts incredulous when both start breaking down

Sir, your post has exceeded the legal bullshit limit.

[SleepyKrew]

1

[SleepyKrew]

Faking real life stuff is incredibly shitty, as is accusing someone of doing so with no evidence.

[SleepyKrew]

You really should just vote for me.

[SleepyKrew]

There actually is red in my role PM though.

[SleepyKrew]

Hey Nati how's about you vote me

[SleepyKrew]

How many of Bins's posts have come since she started saying school/fever were hurting her activity?

[SleepyKrew]

It's a combination of her posting before and since her activity issues.

That's not what you said. The way you worded it, she made 66 posts while she claimed to be inactive. I just checked and she actually only made 4 during that timespan.

[SleepyKrew]

Also Brian why do you think Nacho's a chess piece?

[SleepyKrew]

Oh dammit that post was after Nacho claimed

[SleepyKrew]

Do you (anyone) think if I started saying muffin Kats and Nacho are all scum, I'd get lynched?
muffin Kats and Nacho are all scum
I'm also scum lynch me

[SleepyKrew]

Or I could call Bins scum for 1388?
Is this just a flail to try to appear scummier??
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[SleepyKrew]

Do you (anyone) think if I started saying muffin Kats and Nacho are all scum, I'd get lynched?
muffin Kats and Nacho are all scum

I'm pretty sure FG would've just called the game from the start if that was the scumteam.

Then everyone would complain that we didn't get to see your glorious trollplay

[SleepyKrew]

Maybe I should scumslip
Maybe I already have and am trying to cover it up

[SleepyKrew]

sleepy i have no idea what your read on me is

It was null when I voted you. Then 1388 gave me a scumread.
ps why aren't you voting me?

[SleepyKrew]

Do you (anyone) think if I started saying muffin Kats and Nacho are all scum, I'd get lynched?
muffin Kats and Nacho are all scum

I'm pretty sure FG would've just called the game from the start if that was the scumteam.

Then everyone would complain that we didn't get to see your glorious trollplay

Hardly, it was the fastest way to generate information on every slot in the game. Think of me running an experiment, and all of you were my test subjects, there's no better way to generate more controlled data than I did.

Science and mafia never did mix too well but in this case it did aka netted sharkscum

I don't think you got what I meant

[SleepyKrew]

i thought i should at least analyze my wagon

Oh I thought you already did that seeing as you've started typing up your reads

[SleepyKrew]

Ooooh okay I get what you're saying
So why aren't you voting me

[SleepyKrew]

RC isn't paying close attention.

I'm not entirely sure why you aren't claiming your

partner

brother. Like, I think I know who it is, but I think just claiming it would be better to fill in the people that didn't get it?

[SleepyKrew]

Ooooh okay I get what you're saying
So why aren't you voting me

are you scum

Are you town? Because if you're town and the options are you vs ???, you should vote the ???

[SleepyKrew]

I'm going to lurk now. I don't want to hit 300 posts D1

[SleepyKrew]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Brian
flail flail

[SleepyKrew]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Brian
flail flail

You know I love you, don't you? I am so, so tempted to join you just to spite Brian for that naked vote. I'm in that mood, you know?

If you're gonna vote Brian, do it because his vote on you is objectively anti-town.

[SleepyKrew]

Please, you don't even know why I'm voting him.

Yup, that's the point!

[SleepyKrew]

(a Brian wagon probably isn't actually viable, and if people start unvoting me to vote him, we'll NL, so it's best to still lynch me)

[SleepyKrew]

Didn't I just fucking say not to unvote me to vote Brian

[SleepyKrew]

SKs" lynch me!!!" posts are so robotic

Get people to lynch me

[SleepyKrew]

Could you not
I know it's hypocritical because of my own fluff but there's something about fluffing with images

[SleepyKrew]

FUCKING VOTE ME BRIAN

[SleepyKrew]

Sleep do you want me to vote you?

If the other option is a No Lynch then yes

[SleepyKrew]

Tell me why I shouldn't self-hammer.

[SleepyKrew]

Cho's read on me has been more inconsistent than my thoughts on the guilty. Or maybe not her read. Just her vote ~

[SleepyKrew]

Okay guys I figured everything out
The setup is 5v3v1vtown (the 1 is a jester)
The scumteams are Katsuki/muffin/Nacho/Brian/Nati (with an outside chance of Empking) and Cho/Desperado/Salamence.
And I'm the Jester.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: SleepyKrew

[SleepyKrew]

I only had one read right.
But it was

the

read.

Seriously though, props to Kats and to DV. Sorry for my stupidity. And for my THREE HUNDRED posts.

[SleepyKrew]

Would you have preferred a NL on D1?

[SleepyKrew]

Multiple players that weren't voting you were actively posting before you hammered yourself.

To answer your question though, in your shoes, in this scenario, as town, yes, I would prefer a NL to killing myself.

Those players did not seem like they were going to vote me.
A NL would just have resulted in me getting lynched D2, giving the scum a free kill.