Robbery! At The Casino (Game Over)

[Beck]

/confirm

[Beck]

^scum found

[Beck]

vote: prolapsed

[Beck]

Me too, read my sig

[Beck]

Bizarre.

It's like you guys are voting randomly, or something.

Not my vote

[Beck]

Yep, all aboard. Choo choo

[Beck]

I think he meant the band

[Beck]

I'm so punny.

Do you have any rehydrated raisins? If you did that would be grape.

[Beck]

More prolapsed votes please

[Beck]

We shouldn't be in RVs, we had scum out themselves by pretending to be town, literally every time I have seen someone do it, its been scum.

Vote prolapse

[Beck]

We shouldn't be in RVs, we had scum out themselves by pretending to be town, literally every time I have seen someone do it, its been scum.

Vote prolapse

Examples?

You could also argue that he was tryharding town to see what scum would see low hanging fruit ripe for the picking. Do you really see scum being that brazen with their schtick?

Not sure if any games here had that, and it would take forever to comb through all the games I have played/read

[Beck]

@ beck: You seem pretty adamant about getting a prolapse wagon going, but the only thing motivating this is prolapse's poor confirmation post. What exactly makes you think he deserves focus over other players (Gray and Shos, most notably) who have also made awkward posts?

Cause I have a very strong scum read on him and when I get a scum read I like to push it, push it real good.

Plus his contributions haven't been great and nobody else really stands out to me

[Beck]

thats fair, but the fact that he ended up getting such a large percentage of rvs votes makes me a little hesitant, especially since i've got HoS on Shos, who was one of those voters

Number of rvs votes mean nothing, its truly null

[Beck]

not true. when a bunch of people make the same decisions, its meaningful.

We'll agree to disagree

[Beck]

Not comfortable voting yet. Especially looking at Shos, and Prolapse to respond, as they are my top 2 scum.

What, precisely, am I supposed to respond

to?

you aren't being proactive either though

[Beck]

RVS is antitown as a whole. So fishing reactions to give us something to talk about is protown.

Hahahaha. You're joking right? RVS is the most protown phase of the game.

RVs sucks balls and you should always try to get out of RVS as soon as possible

[Beck]

Votecounts are for the weak, just so we're all clear.

VC coming soon.

So you are telling us you are weak?

[Beck]

Game integrity != quality of modding.

I promise this is my last comment on this subject.

How about some game related content?

[Beck]

why would you have to discuss how you entered the thread?

[Beck]

Because his post pregame doesn't come from someone who's town, it comes from somebody who is pretending to be town.

His contribution this game is non existent and now he votes an easy target.

[Beck]

Sure. Probably over the weekend.

Still waiting....

[Beck]

Beck, this is content.

1 post =/= content when the game has been going on for a week. Nice try scum

[Beck]

So you just want us to believe you on this one without anything to back it up with. Heard. What if I told you that I have been in games where I say something along the lines of tryhard town and have gotten accused of being scum for it when I actually was town? Would I be able to just say that and expect people to believe me?

1. Yes you should, because common sense tells you.there's no reason for town to post things like that. The point of that statement that he made is to make himself appear protown. Town should not be worried with how they appear, only scum have to worry about that. If I found a game where scum did something similar, would that convince you to follow me?

2. Doing things like that to clear yourself usually aren't looked at favorably IMO. I have seen try hard town be accused before so I'd actually believe that.

[Beck]

Would be ok with lynching:
Ace,

Beck

, BBT

[Beck]

prolapsed is still my top read but I would be ok with shos, his play seems off to me

[Beck]

am I voting you? Your play seems off, it is definitely different than the last time we played

[Beck]

only 1 person did that...

anyways, I have no plans on changing my vote unless it's deadline time and I have no choice. Prolapsed has done jack shit and promised content over the weekend which has now come and gone and all we got was 1 game related post.


he needs death because he isn't a person trying to find scum. hell he isn't even a person resembling this

This is me, telling all you scumz to watch out, us TOWN WILL WIN THIS!!

[Beck]

trolling is a case by case basis, cause I have certainly seen scum troll before

[Beck]

it means that the vote was not honest, it was there for a purpose, and you saw it.

Then this is just crappy. Why on earth would someone townie put in a deliberately confusing vote? All it is going to do is draw attention to you.
VOTE: shos

You been on site since 2006 and you seriously making that post?

[Beck]

How can someone with only 22 posts be considered overly active?

And speaking as someone who usually is the most active player in a game, I can assure you it's not scummy to be active.

Since pants is new, I understand his opinion on RVS, realizing its worthless comes with time and experience he just doesn't have yet.

I'm feeling slightly better about shos but I'm still not 100% on him. Prolapsed is scum but idk how else to convince people.

[Beck]

Why are you voting PB?

Why are you not?

I mean you are on record saying that you sort of agree with me with regards to him yet now you are here voting somebody who is also voting prolapsed.. It makes no sense

[Beck]

this early stage?

you realize this game has been going on longer than we have days left in the day phase right? How long are you going to be content with letting a scummy player lurk?

[Beck]

VOTE: Aronis
any votes further than this - be wary, we're nearing a lynch, I think. no lolhammers by mistake.

lol PB has only 3 votes, I think we are safe...

[Beck]

more votes on aronis pls

Whats the case on him?

[Beck]

Whats the case on him?

[Beck]

why is it bad?

[Beck]

it means that the vote was not honest, it was there for a purpose, and you saw it.

Then this is just crappy. Why on earth would someone townie put in a deliberately confusing vote? All it is going to do is draw attention to you.
VOTE: shos

You been on site since 2006 and you seriously making that post?

Not sure what you are getting at. I called someone out for being untownish, he admitted it, still think he looks bad.

So you think he's scum deliberately drawing attention to himself?

Do you think its plausible that he was trying to guage reactions?

[Beck]

Looking at aronis's ISO, I'm not seeing why people are scum reading him.

[Beck]

Looking at aronis's ISO, I'm not seeing why people are scum reading him.

[Beck]

Whats the case on him?

[Beck]

I mean if people aren't willing try to convince me, its obvious this is a scum led wagon

[Beck]

it's been said multiple times.....you're just ignoring it

Link or it didn't happen

[Beck]

Looking at aronis's ISO, I'm not seeing why people are scum reading him.

Plus I did do my own due diligence

[Beck]

Hi, more tomorrow.

Sure, just like you were supposed to provide content last weekend and it never happened.

Please just die already

[Beck]

Because the prolapsed wagon sucks shit and I townread Pants hard.

~DT

Why does it suck shit? What has he done to help town? To find scum? To do anything remotely close to appear town?

I'll wait, cause there's no way you can show him doing any of those things... Cause he hasn't

[Beck]

no, I don't, but I also do not see anything scummy. you're basically policy-lynching a lurker.

Who could very well be scum

[Beck]

I'm thinking, i just glanced at his ISO, I need to do more than that.

[Beck]

Because the prolapsed wagon sucks shit and I townread Pants hard.

~DT

Why does it suck shit? What has he done to help town? To find scum? To do anything remotely close to appear town?

I'll wait, cause there's no way you can show him doing any of those things... Cause he hasn't

He is very under the radar. Barely above water.
He isn't being bad though and looking to lynch anyone for scummy reasons.
Pretty null to me

Don't answer questions for other people, thank you

Scum points for you now

[Beck]

No

[Beck]

So we letting scum off the hook? Smh

[Beck]

is gray fox still playing? If yes can we get a prod or replacement? 5 days without a post

Thanks

[Beck]

He logged in yesterday also...

[Beck]

Yeah I realize that but it's still suspect

[Beck]

Ahh didn't see that, my bad

[Beck]

If you are town, then you should want to be dead.

Edit. Should never want to be dead

[Beck]

damn meant to add a post to that. I don't agree with the above. I have been town and wanted to be dead

[Beck]

Looking at aronis's ISO, I'm not seeing why people are scum reading him.

Whats the case on him?

[Beck]

vote: pants

[Beck]

If people want to quick lynch pants for wanting to NL, let me know

vote aronis

Not voting shos, my wagon preference isn't going to happen, plus that last post rubs me wrong

[Beck]

If people want to quick lynch pants for wanting to NL, let me know

vote aronis

Not voting shos, my wagon preference isn't going to happen, plus that last post rubs me wrong

Elaborate plz. I don't understand how my post where I just question about deadline is scummy, when others are casting deadline votes and disappearing left and right is not.

Asking permission to vote is very scummy

[Beck]

vote pants

Choo choo

[Beck]

I'm truly stunned PB has managed to do nothing the whole of D1 and draw very little attention because of it.

so am I and the fact that people keep drawing attention to it and people ignoring it makes me feel bad about the current state of mafiascum. Who would have thought there would be such apathy to lurking. No wonder scum win rate is still higher than town win rates.

[Beck]

vote: geraintm

[Beck]

Don't think so

[Beck]

I may go back to PB at some point, especially if he decides to lurk through another day phase. If PB is town though he can literally [redacted]

I like my vote because gerain basically did nothing day 1 but put a vote on shos for terrible reasoning and basically criticized people for being on the other wagon ideas. That doesn't come from town imo. Not to mention he was on egg's radar and egg bit the dust. I don't think he was killed because he was a universal town read like was suggested, I feel like he was probably closer to being right about the scum team.

so i'm good with my vote, unless he somehow convinces me he is playing towards a town win condition and dazzles me with some scum hunting, i'm content on parking here for now

[Beck]

Yeah pb is scum

[Beck]

I criticised people on the aronis wagon and Dr pants wagons. As these were/are bad wagons, I see no reason to apologise for pointing out people shouldn't be voting for them.

1. Right but the reasons you gave for criticizing the wagon weren't good enough
2. What gave you the right for criticizing it in the first place?
3. Instead of criticizing, you should have been SHOWING us why we were going down the wrong path
4. And you should have tried to lead us down a different path with better reasoning. You didn't so you lose the rigjtbto criticize anyone.

It's very easy for scum to do what you did and try to force town credit down our throats like you are doing.

Last word of wisdom - Town doesn't criticize town for making mistakes, scum does.

[Beck]

There is very little pro town from anyone in this game today.

I find it funny you said this yesterday, considering nothing protown came from you d1 either

[Beck]

I dislike both of the votes so far. Dislike the people making them.
That wagon yesterday was fishy as anything.

See again more criticizing. Without any support.

1. Why do you dislike the votes
2. Why do you dislike the people making them
3. Why was the wagon yesterday fishy?
4. Who's the fishy person on that wagon?
5. Who's the scum who was on the original aronis wagon
6. Why do you think aronis is town?

These aren't rhetorical. I expect answers to all of these questions. You want to post and not provide substance? I'm going to make you post substance and if you refuse, use that as a reason to Lynch you.

[Beck]

After those, I want your top 2 scum reads with your reasons why u think they are scum, that way the people you are criticizing, can have the opportunity to repay the favor (or possibly agree with you)

[Beck]

Majiffy, you left that wide open for inappropriate jokes

[Beck]

it's ok you replaced into a scum slot, that happens from time to time. I'll give you a stay of execution if you vote your buddy gerain

[Beck]

PC looks bad

[Beck]

I must have missed something, when did egg claim anything?

[Beck]

Only going to quickly post as visiting mother in laws.
I am not quiet sure what happened with double trouble. I can't see anyone coming out of it as 100% scum though.

The wagon on aronis needs to stop though.
It really does

Nobody listen to this man until he provides a good reason why the aronis wagon is bad.

Ill expect responses to my questions when you return home

[Beck]

Why are we not wagoning scum yet? He slipped

vote: PC

[Beck]

I'm pretty sure he did

[Beck]

Hold up. So you saw Desp visit Egg when no one else did?

This

[Beck]

He knows that somebody else visited egg

[Beck]

His scum buddy who killed egg obviously, hence why it's called a scum slip

[Beck]

Or maybe it was him, but less likely

[Beck]

But DT claimed he saw nobody, so we don't know who did the kill.

[Beck]

So not sure what DT is doing but PC definitely knows more info than everyone else

[Beck]

that's not my problem

[Beck]

No I'm not dense, you can spin it however you want but its obvious what you said. Your reaction seemed off to me also so I'm good where I'm at

[Beck]

So I want to clarify that you saw Desp and no one else visit Egg last night."

Also since this is what you say you meant.

town wouldn't ask this question IMO.

[Beck]

Don't worry, prolapsed is still scum

[Beck]

Gonna have go agree to disagree mate

[Beck]

So I want to clarify that you saw Desp and no one else visit Egg last night."

Also since this is what you say you meant.

town wouldn't ask this question IMO.

Town wouldn't ask if a single person visited the person who died? Why the fuck would they not? If more than one person visited Egg then I would ask how DT could be so sure that Desp made the kill. Keep pushing this angle though, its making the game interesting at least.

Because he implied that desp did it, town wouldn't ask "you sure nobody else visited?" Scum who knew desp wasn't scum would ask it though.

[Beck]

Strongly implying a guilty on Desp here. Let me be a little more direct. We were watching Egg last night.

Holding firm the team is Desp shos BBT. Good night.

~Trouble

ok so beck. have a seat.
you see this, as a town. someone 'strongly implies a guilty on desp' - does not vote desp - and calls an entire scumteam.

now take a look from the other PoV: assume you watched Egg last night, and saw desp, and only desp, visit egg. would you say the above or, perhaps something like "I watched Egg and only Desp visited him. Desp claim please"?

You're wasting your time

[Beck]

Cause you would be afraid of being attacked, sort of how aronis is getting attacked for voting desp...

[Beck]

So asking for clarification before voting would be scummy to you, and voting for him without asking is scummy looking. I guess I should have just lurked the fuck out of the thread and waited, right?

I never said voting without asking is scummy, because its not. I'm not one of the people attacking aronis...

[Beck]

being afraid of an attack on sheeping a claimed guilty? nah. that fear does not exist.
Also, it's not a question of 'are you sure nobody else visited him' it's a question of 'are you implying guilty as in possible or are you claiming guilty result?'

But look what happen, aronis sheeped and is being attacked. Scum paranoia prevents that kind of move. I've been scum many times and have also seen it many times.

Desp is probably in town, scum is probably the 3 I have said already.

P.edit - yep, what he said

[Beck]

Trying to change my mind is pointless. If I'm.wrong post game ill say I'm wrong but PC needs to be lynched.

[Beck]

Cause I already know hes scum and I wanted more from gerain. Them you scum slipped. All 3 are scum, if people sheep me this will be the easiest game ever.

Sure I can't convince people I'm right about any of you and you are very lucky. Hopefully people see it on their own, neither of you have played protown so it's only matter of time

[Beck]

When one flips town I'll concede my read on that player was wrong.

But see it's not just that slip why I think you are scum, the slip is obvious as fuck but people want to over complicate things, they think it's too easy to be a slip. Its other things too.

P.edit - most of my games are way old, my play has changed drastically. But I'm always head strong and think I'm right. This time I know 100% I'm right about 1, and 90+% about the other 2

[Beck]

1. I'm ok being wrong, people are wrong all the time
2. Its early in the day phase so pressuring a scum read is also OK, especially when that scum read is reacting poorly
3. Im also waiting for another scum read (gerain) to respond to my questions/requests.

Natarisha already conformed prolapsed was scum so that's the easy peasy lynch we can have at any time

P. Edit - nobody's going to do that so let's not play hypotheticals

[Beck]

And of course I'm overestimating my abilities, doubt =confusion. I'd rather be crystal clear instead of settling again

[Beck]

Oh you are town? Why didn't you say so. My bad

OK.which of you guys here are scum? Apparently I missed the rule that said scum arent allowed to lie.

[Beck]

I think its hilarious your hydra partner has to come rescue you. Now I'm more sure than I already was

[Beck]

Oh it has come to this


In the name of my best town performance medal

<<<<<

I order you to stop and go look for someone else

Lol

[Beck]

lol majiffy you're a terrible mod. it's a new page. use it.

~~

sadly, I know that beck is too much of a balls-to-the-walls character, we may as well try to get peace in the middle east before he cahnges his mind,.

Why do people want to change my mind? Why not just focus on their own scum hunting? Very weird...

[Beck]

Please stay in hydra thanks

Also your play hasn't really been pro town and your reactions don't really help you out either. If you were truly town you wouldn't (shouldn't) get so worked up over 1person's opinion. And bragging about your scummy is just low. Only desperate people have to rely on their accomplishments in another game(s) and think it means jack shit this game.

[Beck]

Plus why woud any town player stop scum hunting because somebody called them scum? Town players ignore those accusations cause they know they aren't true...

[Beck]

But when only 1 person is calling you scum, there's no threat of getting lynched.

I mean I can quote a bunch of scummy posts that show why he's scum, but that didn't work we'll for meast game either despite being right. You know first hand my ability to convince people isn't good cause I handed town scum on a platter and he never got lynched and survived and won. So I'm kinda stuck in no mans land unwilling yo compromise and upset people can't see obvscum right in front of them.

I mean the post where he mentioned egg was killed cause he was a PR was scummy as fuck, town doesn't need to make that kind of post. There are other scummy posts but whatever, I'll just sit here and you guys just go mislynch townies and let scum get through the game without posting real content

[Beck]

And here I thought he died because he claimed an investigative power role. Silly me. Our night was not fruit bearing, so I look forward to speaking with Metal about his thoughts so far.

I see no town motivation in posting this. All it does is remind us that we lost a PR and it comes off as smug

[Beck]

Go back to hisnlisy read day 1, he gives no reasoning for any of it, he doesn't even do a good job explaining why he wanted ace lynched, though digging deep he basically wanted ace lynched cause he voted egg. That's an attempt to buddy egg and attack eggs attacker. Also kinda scummy

[Beck]

Damn I suck at phone posting all of a.sudden
If you need me to translate any of that lmk

[Beck]

I'm not bragging about my accomplishments like you did, why you would quote all those and imply I was i kind of confusing

[Beck]

And don't insult me again. I'm not a troll and I don't appreciate being called one. Yet another example of scum behavior, insult your attacker

[Beck]

mod can you please make sure the hydra posts in hydra? When trying to ISO down the road its going to make it harder to add another name. Thanks

[Beck]

are you offended by "troll"? oh man, i am so sorry!

Its an insult cause I'm not trolling. I'm scum reading you and because you arent town you have to discredit me however you can.

[Beck]

Only desperate people have to rely on their accomplishments in another game(s) and think it means jack shit this game.

[Beck]

You know first hand my ability to convince people isn't good cause I handed town scum on a platter and he never got lynched and survived and won. So I'm kinda stuck in no mans land unwilling yo compromise and upset people can't see obvscum right in front of them.

Admitting my own faults =/= bragging about my accomplishments

[Beck]

All 3 are scum, if people sheep me this will be the easiest game ever.

Sure I can't convince people I'm right about any of you and you are very lucky.

Not sure why you have an issue with me giving my opinion of who scum is. That's the point of the game isn't it?

[Beck]

it means that the vote was not honest, it was there for a purpose, and you saw it.

Then this is just crappy. Why on earth would someone townie put in a deliberately confusing vote? All it is going to do is draw attention to you.
VOTE: shos

You been on site since 2006 and you seriously making that post?

yeaaah i cant find any more. oh well.

Cause a player from 2006 should recognize a reaction test when its obvious that is what it was, especially when shos admitted it was one. You don't think it's a bit odd that an experienced player has no idea what a reaction test looks like? I'd expect a newbie to be confused, not someone who's been playing since 2006

[Beck]

Honest injun. A vote for us is a vote to mislynch

Well if you are town, when are you going to start playing like it? Serious question

[Beck]

Honest injun. A vote for us is a vote to mislynch

Well if you are town, when are you going to start playing like it? Serious question

I don't know how to answer your question. As town I never try to play as town because I don't even know what that really means. I play the game the way I play it and hope that people will see the bright shiny beacon of townieness that I can be. I'm not even sure what about my play you consider to be scummy, because you haven't actually said yet.

I already pointed out 1 or 2 things. I also don't really see you scum hunting or providing useful content

[Beck]

Here's how I'm viewing yesterday's wagon;

Shos (3): geraintm, GrayFoxxxx, Dr Pants
DoubleTrouble (1): Prolapsed Brain
BlueBloodedToffee (1): Double Trouble
Aronis (1): theaceofspades

Dr Pants

(5):

Perfect Chaos

,

Desperado

,

Shos

,

Beck

,

Aronis

,

Egg

, BlueBloodedToffee

I feel like today's lynch has to be between Aronis and PC based on my reads.

Preferably Aronis.

Curious why the others get a free pass?

[Beck]

Curious why the others get a free pass?

What others? Outside of the wagon?

Desp/me/shos

[Beck]

Curious why the others get a free pass?

What others? Outside of the wagon?

other than him, lol

I'd like to note that PB is lurking once again, and that, despite all the reasons(?) to lynch himyesterday, nobody is pushing it today? what happened?

PB is now being played by natarisha

[Beck]

Who coincidentally is also lurking and not posting content. But the are confirmed scum already so we can lynch them anytime we want.

[Beck]

the wagon on aronis is bad as it will flip town if he is lynched.

You keep saying this, yet you never say why...

[Beck]

Cause 1 scum and 1 misguided townie is voting him. People should really be voting PC/gerain/nat

[Beck]

Cause the reasons for aronis are shit

[Beck]

Desp wagon is bad.

VOTE: Aronis

Or people don't even give reasons...

[Beck]

His Aronis WK is getting too strong to ignore.

This

Especially since he purposely ignores requests to explain his town read

[Beck]

vote: gerain

[Beck]

I have most definitely given reasons for why I think Aronis is scum.

Not that I saw on my phone, can I have a link?

Nat voted gerain cause I told her to or I was going to vote her, she's bussing for self preservation and I'm OK with that.

[Beck]

Yeah but your wagon analysis is biased by your scum read of aronis, its like trying to squeeze a square peg into a round hole.

Scum bus all the time, so why not bus to prevent a wagon on themselves?

[Beck]

But Nat is scum, so if its not bussing gerain is town and in refuse to believe that.

[Beck]

*I refuse to believe that

[Beck]

Well nat isnt town.

But If no bussing, yes gerain is town but gerain's play obviously suggests scum. It's like a ham sammich without any ham

[Beck]

I'm not familiar with the strategy of white knighting half the player list either, but it certainly has kept suspicion off him

[Beck]

But why? What's the point of keeping someone around who refuses to explain himself or his reasons?

[Beck]

I've decided Beck posts too much.

So shall I just quit posting?

vote: natarisha

[Beck]

Doing vca off 1 wagon is kind of a crap shoot though, PC is a good bet for scum on though. Going to try and reread things later. In the meantime Nat is scum, let's Lynch her

[Beck]

I am starting not to like BBT anymore and it's possible shos could be scum also, especially with what seems to be a fake soft claim earlier in the day.

I still think Nat is the right lynch today though

[Beck]

^ replace think with Know

[Beck]

because they are scum

[Beck]

Correct me if I'm wrong.

I wasn't scum bc nobody was providing a legit case about me. You're doing the exact same thing now?

I already provided a legit case about PB day 1, day 2 he replaces out and the replacement is doing the exact same thing PLUS, PLUS the replacement had to iso themselves which is a big no no. PLUS, you're just going to have to trust me. Or not, your loss.

I suggest you try and read better before accusing me of not having reasons or making a case.

[Beck]

Beck, can I have your reads as well please?

I can't believe you are asking me this when I have given my reads multiple times already

[Beck]

what are your reads? You had aronis and PC earlier and you unvoted aronis but haven't voted PC yet. So who are your top 3 scum reads and why

[Beck]

yes I do

reads/reasons please

[Beck]

People should really be voting PC/gerain/nat

and yes I do say so...

obviously my read on gerain comes off because they claimed masons but I still don't like his play this game so I don't fully buy the claim.

[Beck]

If aronis is telling the truth, odds are there is at least 1 scum in the group of (Shos/Desp/Ace/You) cause no way the same 4 people are all town trying to lynch aronis who wasn't really that scummy.

p.edit -

obviously my read on gerain comes off because they claimed masons but I still don't like his play this game so I don't fully buy the claim.

[Beck]

Your votes on Aronis look bad because you never really give any reason, despite claiming you did. When I ask you for a link to those reasons you point to your VCA which really isn't a reason.

Shos I am leery of but him not really sticking with an aronis lynch when that looked to be a viable one, makes me lean town on him.

Ace - I don't agree with him in post 308 where he says the "voting until something happens is scummy" because it really isn't imo. I also don't agree with him about his vote on DT being opportunistic.

Desperado - doesn't give any reasons at all for his votes. No wpost 590 is interesting because when responding to Aronis returning the accusation back to desperado about frustrated drawing scum, desperado says he isn't frustrated, he doesn't say that he isn't scum... That's not enough to lynch obviously but with his lack of content and bad votes, i could move him to the leaning scum pile.

i'd still prefer nat or pc get rope today though.

p.edit - Well I don't fully believe the claim so I don't have gerain as a town read. He's in my null/scummy read area until we get a mason flip. Because I also have seen/heard of scum claiming masons together. I also don't think masons make sense in a gambling theme game but that is playing the out guess the mod game so I won't go there.

[Beck]

but voting different people is scum hunting, sometimes you have to vote people to make them uncomfortable. Very few scum actually vote hop from my experience and the people who usually attack vote hoppers more times than not turn out to be scum. Unpredictable people scare scum

[Beck]

voting without reason is the best way to generate discussion. it forces people to interact with you if they choose to.

[Beck]

Your votes on Aronis look bad because you never really give any reason, despite claiming you did. When I ask you for a link to those reasons you point to your VCA which really isn't a reason.

See 333, 367 and 370.

thanks, i'll look these over later

[Beck]

Ace - what is your read on Desperado?

[Beck]

Beck has death tunneled on me

lol I haven't death tunneled you. My vote didn't even stay on you for 48 hours until I moved off you.

paranoid much?

[Beck]

How do I argue with scumBeck to prove I'm town?

1. beck isn't scum this game
2. why would you try to argue with me if you thought I was scum? Wouldn't your time be better spent making a case against me or just ignoring me and making a case against somebody else? if you think I am scum, then everything I am saying is a lie from your pov and you wouldn't let it get to you so much. The fact that you freaked out over my 1 vote doesn't sit well with me because i see no reason why ANY townie would freak out over 1 singular vote.

How do I scumhunt when the people most obviously scummy are the townfolk carrying torches and pitchforks to my front door?

Why would that matter? If you know how to scumhunt, (I am assuming you know how to do this)why would it matter if the people you think are scum happen to be the people that think you are scum? Go ISO diving, find quotes and point them out to others and convince them. Arguing with the people voting you is counterproductive because it's unlikely to change their mind.

Beck. Wasn't Ger one of the scum reads you were oh so fucking cock sure about? Guess your ability to detect scum has grown stale in your absence from the game. Town paranoia is a thing, and you show none of it.

I was 100% sure on 1 and 90%+ on the other 2. Sure I am not perfect but then again I never claimed to be.

1. I don't think town paranoia is actually a thing because town has no reason to be paranoid. Paranoia is caused by anxiety or fear, town has no reason to be anxious or fearful of anything. This is why scum get paranoid.
2. if towies are actually getting paranoid, they should stop it. Town has no reason to ever be afraid in a game of mafia. Getting lynched/Killed doesn't/shouldn't phase a townie because townies out number the baddies. Just go out there and do you best and hope you are right.

[Beck]

Paranoid of someone who is claiming to know for 100% certain that we are scum, someone who has shown no wavering to their read, someone who has said the only thing that is going g to change their mind about us is our death? You're goddamned right I am. And just because you took your vote off us for a minute doesn't mean jack shit.

That isn't a reason to be paranoid.

And you know what? I fucking hate it when I post something that has a bit of length to it that is directed towards a few people abd when they respond they pick out one line that isn't even really important to the entirety of my post and they respond to that. And people just let it happen. If you want to argue semantics about the word choice I used then do it while responding to the entirety of my post.

I wouldn't even say I tunneled you either. I put pressure on you, that is what we are supposed to do with our vote and our voice right? use it. Just cause I pushed hard on you for a couple of hours and you reacted badly, that's not my fault. If you are town i'd suggest you work on reacting to pressure better.

[Beck]

Think townfolk like Frankenstein, who were really a bunch of assholes coming to kill an innocent guy. So scumfolk if it pleases you...

so you are saying the people coming after you are all town?

good to know, I can cross all of those people off my possible scum list.

[Beck]

No you can't call me asshole cause site rules prevent you from doing so.

Brb, got to figure out how to handle this.

[Beck]

Think townfolk like Frankenstein, who were really a bunch of assholes coming to kill an innocent guy. So scumfolk if it pleases you...

so you are saying the people coming after you are all town?

good to know, I can cross all of those people off my possible scum list.

I can't even come up with how you got that conclusion out of my post.

I quoted the wrong one, I meant to quote the one where you called everyone coming after you town

[Beck]

I'm not trying to mislead anyone. Thsyd how I interpreted it. Sometimes slips happen when they least expected. .

I shouldn't be talking to you. I need to get to a computer to see what to do.

[Beck]

How about you answer the question instead of trying to be cute. Cheekiness is a sigh of scumfuckery from you my friend.

Pedit- what does that even mean, "see what to do"

Sorry I'm not going to talk to you any more until majiffy reads/responds to my pm

[Beck]

mod. I have a conundrum. If your game rules say don't violate site rules and a player clearly violates them, why are you not enforcing it? This sets a bad precedence. I also don't wish to be in the game with PC anymore but don't feel I should be the one to replace out.

[Beck]

I didn't know what to do

You could have done what I asked you to do and provide reasons why he was town, you could have not claimed. Unless there was nothing in his ISO that you could use. If that's the case, no wonder people were scum reading him

[Beck]

And claiming masons doesn't absolve you from all my questions I'm still waiting for you to answer

[Beck]

Masons don't really trap people, it's useful other ways but you haven't really used it to your advantage. Having 2 confirmed townies to bounce ideas off each other is helpful. But I don't see anything cohesive coming from either of you

[Beck]

Do you have day talk?

What did you discuss night 1?

Who are each of your scum reads and why?

[Beck]

Of course I take things seriously, I play to have fun, not get insulted by somebody who can't handle the fact that somebody thinks they are scum.

I wasn't scum reading ace cause I had other suspects, I'm reevaluating my reads now

[Beck]

@ beck. desp is pretty null. one line responses. nothing much to go on. could just as easily be scum as it could be lazy town. null

Yet its scummy when aronis did it?

[Beck]

If I was being an asshole I probably wouldn't care, but i wasnt. being called an asshole cause I think he's scum is ridiculous. And he obviously can't control himself (see post 849). So he called me an asshole and then insults me more by calling me a woman. I shouldn't have to sit here taking insults, especially when their are rules in place to prevent that very thing

[Beck]

If he isn't replaced, I will replace out. So we can lynch him, replace him, Lynch me, or replace me.

Him and I staying alive and in the game together is not an option

[Beck]

I've put desp on my scum list now. Still think PC is scum and I know for a fact Nat is scum

[Beck]

I have 2 votes? Sweet

vote:PC

vote:PC

[Beck]

On second thought

vote: desparado

[Beck]

unvote

Sorry, I was being serious.

mod, your call. Who are you replacing? Him or me? I'll see your response in the AM.

If it's me, good luck everyone go town

[Beck]

Beck, how did you go from scumreading Fish for slipping and townreading me for being involved to scumreading Fish and scumreading me?

It's like the mystery of a tootsie pop, the world will never know unless jiffy does the right thing here.

Goodnight

[Beck]

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[Beck]

request replacement

Good luck guys.

[Beck]

Way scum sided, near impossible for town to win IMO.