Robbery! At The Casino (Game Over)

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VOTE: Grayfoxxxx

Scum countering prolapsed wagon

@Fish: nah

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Does matter either way?

(No)

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No, it's true. Still doesn't mean anything

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It wasn't a counter until Gray made it one.

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Hi!

VOTE: DoubleTrouble

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Still want Gray dead too

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It's almost like RVS wagons don't really mean anything!

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Everything means something. And the people who joined the "RVS" Prolapsed wagon seemed pretty adamant that it was not just a RVS wagon, it was because they thought Prolapsed was being scummy.

The Shos wagon was definitely not RVS.

I think we have different definitions of RVs

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How is ger's cop out different from Doubles'?

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RVS sucks.

--Double

RVS sucks.

--Double

Wanna do something to get us out of it or just complain?

Random vote

Vote: Egg

To me pretty much RVS is day one. Hard to find scum til I have evidence I can read the thread with.

--Double

My sister and I sometimes disagree on things I just RVS all of day one usually because it's just shit. No evidence. My day 1 sucks ass. :/

-- Double (this and the prior post)

Also, Double, it seems like you RVSed someone who came up scummy to you, and then Titus corroborated the feeling. Is that true, or was Egg purely random?

*nods*

And yes I needed to discuss how to enter. I didn't want to do something loud when my sister may want to lurk or vice versa. If it was just me no discussion is required. She and I have to be insync otherwise it is chaos. Imagine if you were playing with a polar opposite and had to work together. We differ in strategy a lot so this is meant as a fun challenge to work together with her.

-- Double

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why would you have to discuss how you entered the thread?

Because hydras are played by two people. Discussions are expected.

@Egg I like to lurk Day 1 as town bc I tend to tunnel a lot as town and take over the thread.

I am trying to change my ways but you and Prolasped look really scummy.

Your actions together look like a hell of a chainsaw.

Can you address the comments as to why I thought your vote was off?

~Trouble

Did you mean to say you wanted to lurk this game specifically?

And we hit a record...17 games in a row someone does a day one train...

I've yet to have a forum scum game ever. New nickname: Eternal Townie. *sigh*

-- Double

Off topic: Avatar is up.

Of all of the scummy Double posts, this is easily the scummiest

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Actually I'm really bad with crumbs and read those posts more as an excuse to not do anything D1. I see how they could be cop crumbs but there is no correlation to the lurking discussion because that's player-specific to Titus.

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UNVOTE:
VOTE: Aronis

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Looking forward to seeing Aronis swing

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Why is BBT the best of the available options?

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So you don't actually have a read on BBT?

What about Shos and Aronis?

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Why is BBT the best of the available options?

Why are you not more concerned about him wanting you dead most?

This is probably one of the dumbest questions anyone has ever asked me.

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Because only scum should be concerned with someone wanting them dead?

Like, why should I be concerned about that?

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imo, the day dragged on too long and town lost interest. this suggests that there is scum within the lurking players.

this is supported by the fact that town was essentially split on three different wagons, and no one really made a push for a compromise until today.

I personally think we should no lynch today, and this will be one of the few times I actually suggest this. Here's why:
a) Given how unfocused town currently is, no-lynching and possibly adding extra days to the game benefits town

b) Unless town magically shows up in the final minutes, scum has control of who gets lynched

c) The top suggested compromise is on Aronis, and is being led by one of my scum reads, so screw that

I'm going to vote Pants specifically for the boldest statements, which are directly contradictory and suggest that everything he's saying about the gamestate is just bullshit, otherwise he wouldn't have said them both in the same post.

Vote: Dr Pants

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Vote: Aronis

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Yes I know, drawing scum sucks. Better luck next time!

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No clue what you're talking about.

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No, I really don't.

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Aronis was scum yesterday, hes still scum today.

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So...we are back to me not having a clue what you're referring to?

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I'm a dealer, didnt do shit last night.

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The problem is that in this context the advice is nonsensical.

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The problem is that in this context the advice is nonsensical.

Advice? I was just relating to you and expressing that I understood your frustration in drawing scum.

Thats the point, I'm not frustrated.

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Egg and DT both softed to each other early on in the game.

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Fish,

Are you scum?

Don't lie to me.

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I don't think he is, Desp!

His jokes have been falling flat all game though.

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Hey Fish, that Randy Jackson bit is a good example of what I'm talking about.

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I can do geraintm

Unvote
Vote: geraintm

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His Aronis WK is getting too strong to ignore.

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By what means?

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Ger and Aronis, have either of you drawn Mason before?

Vote: Perfect Chaos

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@ Aronis: I don't think claiming was dumb, actually. Not optimal but not dumb.

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I don't know how to show people that we are being misread, especially since I feel like some of the more vocal people about our alignment have suspect alignments themselves. How do I argue with scumBeck to prove I'm town? How do I scumhunt when the people most obviously scummy are the townfolk carrying torches and pitchforks to my front door?

Can you rephrase this? Mainly the last line.

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Desp if I were scum, why did I not vote you with DT?

Do you want the full list or just a couple?

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I...haven't been acting scummy?

And if that's what you've been thinking why hasn't that surfaced in any of your posts?

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Beck, how did you go from scumreading Fish for slipping and townreading me for being involved to scumreading Fish and scumreading me?

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Look forward to you dying after i get mislynched, Fish

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Your argument is that im scum for not sorting you properly. Its just rhetoric designed to look good.

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That ignores the fact that you arent playing solo and also that i dont need to interact with anyone to get a read on them, especially you.

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I don't recall giving a reason

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And my issue with you sayimg that is there was no indication of it in your posting until just recently.

I mean, just look at your real time response to,what you now consider "bullshit." You certainly didnt treat it that way at the time.

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Fish,

Are you scum?

Don't lie to me.

Honest injun. A vote for us is a vote to mislynch.

I don't think he is, Desp!

His jokes have been falling flat all game though.

I feel like I haven't been joking much this game. Where do you see unfunny things you think I was trying to make funny?

No, this was your response 100 posts earlier

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I guess that was sort of jokey.

You also said this!

So i guess it was only bullshit once i voted you. Or something.

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Your point? If anything that would be a point in my favor since I tried to address your concerns about me.

Youre right, you did. But now youre trying to say it was just bullshit the whole time. Why would you seriously address something you think is bullshit?

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My hydra partner and I put something only scum would react to in the thread. Desp/Shos did.

You were speaking directly to me.

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VOTE: Desperado

I know. Explain.

Yes you do Desp. So does shos.

And

Shos!

We are scum because we both responded to you after you prompted us.

I don't even

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That's...not what you just said?

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And this would be a good time for you to explain how my reaction was scummy and what a town reaction would have looked like.

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@ika -- Desp/Shos's responses is scum.

My hydra partner and I put something only scum would react to in the thread.

Desp/Shos did.
Look at Desp and Shos responses at the start of the day ika. That will help.

-- Double

I also don't like Aronis's can we lynch X now?

have you been catching up or just not reading?

@Desp -- The question was to you but both you and Shos reacted in a way we consider scummy. It's not THAT you responded. It is HOW you responded.

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Because you just said that you put something in the thread that only scum would respond to and then Shos and I responded to it, thus we are scum. Even though you specifically addressed both of us.

This is not the same thing as Shos and I responding to something in a scummy way.

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PS it's pretty bullshit for you to say I'm "not scumhunting or clarifying my misunderstanding," which I am assuming to mean scumhunting your slot and clarifying your read on me, when you have not been active since daystart.

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I like him too, when he is town, which is something that I am not seeing this game.

Reiterating that you only started not seeing it after I voted you. There was absolutely no indication d1 that you thought I was scum yet you keep pretending otherwise.

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Which point specifically was good?

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I don't think there's anything scummy about voting townies.

Especially townies who a) get lynched or b) play masons so poorly that they have to claim d2 to prevent both of their lynches.

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PS I've actually been there. Fast and Furious mafia. It was my first time rolling masons--that's why I asked. We played it terribly and it really fucked the town over.

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psssst

you're still being aggressively wrong about me Titus

What's your plan for when I flip town? Assuming the scum aren't just using you to mislynch me before they murder you tonight of course.

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Shos isn't scum so I think I'll pass

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That isn't a false dichotomy. You think Shos and I are scum together but you also think that Shos is scum if I am town.

So why are you voting me and not Shos?

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The Desperado wagon has my full support.

Then why are you chilling on BBT instead of putting me to L-1?

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While I have a list of things that bother me about the mason claims I'm just going to believe they are town and forget about it.

PC is scum and the other two are off the wagon because they know that Titus and the masons would support my lynch--so they either get massive cred for lynching PC over me today or they get town to mislynch me while their vote is recorded elsewhere.

BBT is town because he questioned geraint's "Aronis is the last person I would vote for" in thread; BBT strikes me as a competent player and I would expect competent-scum to just notice the mason crumb and kill them tonight. He doesn't gain anything as scum by being antagonistic.

Beck was town and ika is carrying the torch.

That leaves two of {aceofspades, shos, Grayfoxxxx} as scum, which actually does sound right. Of the three, I'm inclined to say Shos is town.

geraintm
Aronis
Titus
BBT
ika
Natirasha

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Shos
Grayfoxxx
aceofspades

Perfect Chaos

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Yes, PC/ace/grayfoxxxxx is a might fine scumteam call.

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Whenever grayfoxxxx's replacement gets here he's just going to hammer me anyway so can we get on with it?

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I wasn't explaining why PC is scum in that post.

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I don't think I've ever been wrong about Fish's alignment and MS has been a total nonfactor other than his interaction with Beck.

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PC is only town if Aronis and geraintm are fakeclaiming.

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Desp, you should claim. Ika hammers everything and if he refuses to hammer you he will know I will take it as a scumclaim.

I already claimed when you reaction tested me.

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Desperado, ika, shos. That's

almost certainly

the team.

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-blatant misrep of me
-not clarifying how her "action" pegs you as scum
-your post you just pointed out
-her shit back peddal when she tried to correct herself by the logical fallcy she did with shos

She actually did clarify, in that she didn't get any result at all and my response to her calling me out on her reaction test was scummy. Granted, she hasn't explained why.

I don't think she's scum. What do you make of her earlygame exchange with Egg?

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Only if that massclaim includes ika Desp and shos and only ika Desp and shos. I got one more shot up my sleeve and I'd rather not reveal it yet.

HEY

PERSON WHO DOESN'T READ POSTS

I ALREADY CLAIMED

AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS DAY

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Why don't you go ahead and claim?

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Yeah, pretty much.

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Uh, when Dr Pants flipped Dealer, VT?

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Yes, my role pm tells me what my role is.

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Unvote:
Vote: aceofspades

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I don't think Majiffy gave scum the vanilla pm and I also don't think you'd even think about that as scum if he did. You're town.

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pedit: so what happened to the "i can read fish" thing desp?

I can. I'm reading him right now. He's town.

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Because ika is town?

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@ ika: ace, spruce, shos

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I think you saw someone flip vt and have claimed vt. My role pm tells me I'm a vanilla townie. Do you see the difference?

There is no difference. All three of us are VTs.

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How the fuck do you figure? Neither of you could correctly claim vt, but he is town?

Pedit- there is a difference.

We both claimed just fine.

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How do you know its too many vts when half the game isnt claimed?

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"Scumslip"

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That's your response man? Jesus, can you at least pretend to be town? When have you ever given this little effort when you are going to be lynched?

Are you fucking blind? I already did that.

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While I have a list of things that bother me about the mason claims I'm just going to believe they are town and forget about it.

PC is scum and the other two are off the wagon because they know that Titus and the masons would support my lynch--so they either get massive cred for lynching PC over me today or they get town to mislynch me while their vote is recorded elsewhere.

BBT is town because he questioned geraint's "Aronis is the last person I would vote for" in thread; BBT strikes me as a competent player and I would expect competent-scum to just notice the mason crumb and kill them tonight. He doesn't gain anything as scum by being antagonistic.

Beck was town and ika is carrying the torch.

That leaves two of {aceofspades, shos, Grayfoxxxx} as scum, which actually does sound right. Of the three, I'm inclined to say Shos is town.

geraintm
Aronis
Titus
BBT
ika
Natirasha

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Shos
Grayfoxxx
aceofspades

Perfect Chaos

Yes, PC/ace/grayfoxxxxx is a might fine scumteam call.

Whenever grayfoxxxx's replacement gets here he's just going to hammer me anyway so can we get on with it?

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If the masons are real you guys lynch in {Ace, Nat, Shos, Grayreplacement} and the game will end eventually.

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That's your response man? Jesus, can you at least pretend to be town? When have you ever given this little effort when you are going to be lynched?

Are you fucking blind? I already did that.

Mod, replace me in for this slot

Except you have me as town now.

Uh huh....

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Pants was flipped a vt. Scum without access to sample role PMS wouldn't notice anything wrong with that. Those of us with the actual roles should notice that difference. And yes, vt is short for vanilla but I feel like neither of them had a clue what I was getting at because they were fake claiming blind from what was already flipped.

How dumb are you going to feel when we flip VT?

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Like i dont know what other kind of reaction you are expecting to such a stupid piece of evidence.

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Desp, why is ika town?

I said why ika is town in the wall you are apparently pretending doesnt exist and then he confirmed it with the VT thing.

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No it doesnt, dude.

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No, it doesnt say anything different than mine.

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It says vanilla townie, like i said.

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I can buy two dealer vts. Of course ika isn't a vt so yeah.

What is this even supposed to mean? Dealer is the fucking VT flavor.

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Let's lynch Ace. Or Shos. They are both hedging on the vt vs. vanilla townie thing hardcore and it's because they don't want to a) commit to scumreads on two townies or b) clear too many people.

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VT vs Vanilla Townie is bullshit.
ika's slot gets loads of benefit from beck's play. hardly form ika..

Dude nobody cares about that. I did not care to even check my role PM after you said these things. Vanilla Townie = VT =vt=Vt=vT=vanilla=VaNiLLa and nobody gives a fuck about it, definitely not enough for a 'scumslip' call.

I did read these posts. You are doing exactly what I said you were doing.

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The answer to your question is selfevident.