Super Dangan Ronpa 2 Mafia (GAME OVER)

[Team 9]

HYDRASLIP EGOPOST
HA

VOTE: Seohyon
Sounds like korean name

[Team 9]

It's okay Bins, I'm cult, we can pre-bus if you want

VOTE: N_M

This game got easy

[Team 9]

Marquis why are you not voting a claimed cult?

[Team 9]

Oh to be clear.

If I don't sign or sign as cirno, it's me.
If I sign as rumia, it's pie.
If I sign as mystia, it's nati.
If I sign as wriggle, it's nacho
If I sign as daiyousei, it's fery.

Just to let you know.

[Team 9]

It's okay Bins, I'm cult, we can pre-bus if you want

you're stupid and i hate you

Join the righteous justice

[Team 9]

I don't.
And I'm korean.

[Team 9]

did nati even post in hope + 1
your hydra is confusing as fuck

and no i wanna be recruited

Yeah. Thrice.

[Team 9]

Also, my character looks like an emo ninja.
Discuss.

[Team 9]

My guy has a MPD?
Man that makes it even better.

[Team 9]

<3

[Team 9]

Ooh the third party can't joint win
Interesting

[Team 9]

So I don't know much about danganronpa2 so
If we mislynch, do we all die?

[Team 9]

vote: okapoka

entrance reads as awkward scum who isn't sure how to blend into the thread, and then when gets called on it tries to cover it up as a joke. if your initial vote was a joke, why do you see a problem with Boo asking what your vote was for as opposed to flat out voting you over it?

in other news, I have a townread on vezok more or less for suggesting massclaim out of nowhere. he never has, and still doesn't, strike me as the type of scum to go for ballsy town points.

-Rumia

[Team 9]

vote: okapoka

entrance reads as awkward scum who isn't sure how to blend into the thread, and then when gets called on it tries to cover it up as a joke. if your initial vote was a joke, why do you see a problem with Boo asking what your vote was for as opposed to flat out voting you over it?

in other news, I have a townread on vezok more or less for suggesting massclaim out of nowhere. he never has, and still doesn't, strike me as the type of scum to go for ballsy town points.

-Rumia

Nope Oka is town as fuck. He's just being bad because slayer's gambit is bad.
UNVOTE:

Also the point of the massclaim suggestion is bc the game was broken with a mass flavorclaim last game I think.

[Team 9]

^
-Cirno

[Team 9]

if you were town you would be voting me right now

Well, THAT wasn't the right answer.

I thought it might have been an RVS vote, but I guess not.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Okapoka

Why is that statement scummy, boo?

[Team 9]

o I missed this

The thing is though none of you understand that it was a joke... So whatever

I don't think you get to have it both ways.

If it's a joke, then logically you should be at least surprised by the votes on you. Alternatively, I could see you voting OMGUS on one of the people who voted you.

What doesn't make sense is voting for someone who questioned your vote, if it was a joke. That only makes sense if you were trying to catch scum with what would essentially amount to a mini-gambit.

You're demonstrating a confusion of motive. If your vote had been a joke, you wouldn't have reacted as you did. If it was a gambit, why would you say it was a joke?

"Joke vote for reaction testing" doesn't quite sounds like a confusion of motive.

[Team 9]

However, if the response is then to vote me because I didn't vote him for auto-voting a Hated role, that argues that he was not making a joke and he was seriously voting a Hated role for ???? reasons.

You don't need to make a serious vote to reaction test. The sincerity of the vote and the purpose of the vote is unrelated.

I think he is town because majorly for using a slayer's gambit in non-scummy way. The way he did it doesn't look like scum trying to cover his scuminess with lolgambit.

[Team 9]

"Joke vote for reaction testing" doesn't quite sounds like a confusion of motive

Reaction testing? That's something you're bringing to the party. Oka hasn't said anything like that.

Joke vote =/= Reaction testing.

Oka saying "if you were town you should be voting me" indicates that it was a reaction test, albeit bad.

[Team 9]

wat is slayers gambit

Acting scummy on purpose as town to attract scumvotes and going total apeshit against your own wagon.

It is bad because the chances are there are more town voting you more than you think.

[Team 9]

are u a whiteknight?

I've been known to hardcore defend my townreads.

[Team 9]

Also bookitty is town too.

P-Edit:
Read the op!

[Team 9]

VOTE: FoD

If you think he's too scummy to be scum then other good votes include NM and Gif. (hes not)

But is the best logical fallacy. If you don't like that buzz-fallacy, then I guess I could say "too blatant to be scummy"

Eh GiF is part of team 9... this is why we hate hydras. I really liked that read too

Which read?

[Team 9]

it was a joke man. and then it became a reaction test

...
I dunno how I feel about this but I admit I do this shit more than I ever think i do as town.

ayy lmao

VOTE: OkaPoka

How did this not concern anyone at all?

Too scummy to be scummy Yada yada

I will quote them eventually
But not tonight
Let me have my omen toniggt

[Team 9]

Also cheer up.
I'm the ONLY hydra this game!

[Team 9]

Oh to be clear.

If I don't sign or sign as cirno, it's me (GIF).
If I sign as rumia, it's pie.
If I sign as mystia, it's nati.

If I sign as wriggle, it's nacho
If I sign as daiyousei, it's fery.

Just to let you know.

We don't play "ooh let's pretend to be other hydra member" so here's your reference.

[Team 9]

Also what did FoD do?

*checks ISO*

Oi.

VOTE: FoD

Also, why NM?

[Team 9]

I'm curious on how Marquis is reading Seo currently.

Do they know each other?

[Team 9]

no

Yes

[Team 9]

Why is Seo town

[Team 9]

no

Yes

[Team 9]

What are you taking about I was totslly rocking the last game

Why is fod town?
I can see Seo maybe being town but what makes fod town

Also where have Oka went with the flow?

[Team 9]

player-specific towntell

Then how does scum Seo looks like

[Team 9]

The fuck are those responses

[Team 9]

I wasn't asking for the correctness of the statements I was asking a reason for them

[Team 9]

...

[Team 9]

I'm going to work now and won't be back until like 12 am
But marquis don't act like a piece of leftover beef jerky pls

[Team 9]

You don't want me doing what I did in hope +1 again
And I don't want to either

[Team 9]

What in the hell just happened

[Team 9]

VOTE: SB

why?

-Rumia

[Team 9]

*Third post. M'bad.

that's actually the post that's giving me a town read on him. I liked the way he was trying to force yolo into a stance on the Oka wagon, especially when you combine that with him saying the Oka wagon is bad in his previous post.

what about it read awkward?

-Rumia

[Team 9]

in other news: GIF strong armed me into Oka town (ok not really, both of us think his recent play was better and I can see his entrance as potentially being just bad) and Marquis also looks town.

-Rumia

[Team 9]

oh also

I've played with town FoD before (I was scum) and he definitely wasn't lurkfucking like he is here. in that game he had a shitton of activity right out the gate and you could tell he was trying to make things happen in the game.

-Rumia

[Team 9]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=36919

-Rumia

[Team 9]

btw @Bookitty:

You're bad at math, aren't you, Oka?

3/5 isn't 25 percent.

What do you think I should be commenting on, Bins?

I've already said what I think of his so-called joke vote.

@Not_Mafia: If I miscounted, fair enough. It's still 50 percent, not 25. And that's characteristic of my problem with Oka; the story keeps changing every time he tells it.

do you srsly believe Oka getting his math wrong in itself is indicative of him being scum? I get you said his story keeps changing around, but what's his motivation to purposefully lie about smth that stupid?

even if he is scum, he probably legitimately fucked up as opposed to lying about it. it feels more like you're trying to make up a "slip" to turn into a mislynch, as opposed to legitimately believing this is scummy.

[Team 9]

I didn't see pie in the game that was linked

Rumia = pie
No Stone Unturned = pieguyn + Varsoon

-Rumia

[Team 9]

Person on Team 9 that agreed with SB's post am I scummy though and what do you think about my response to SB because I believe you're not currently voting for me right now.(this goes for the other people that agreed with his post as well)

I don't have a read on you (I don't think GIF does either). when I say I liked SB's angle re: you, I mean it came across as him being genuinely concerned about the Oka wagon.

what are your current reads?

-Rumia

[Team 9]

It's not the math mistake that makes the difference. It's the whole picture of trying to pass it off as a joke, then grabbing on to your "reaction test" comment and trying to play it off as both. The math mistake is more telling because:

1) he voted me for not voting him immediately (while still ignoring my question and every question I've asked him since)
2) he then complained about all the votes on him, despite his expressed opinion that voting for him was a townie move
3) he came up with what looks like a random selection of proposed scum on his wagon that doesn't bear any relation to the actual evidence in the thread

I don't believe I ever said he lied about the math. I said he can't keep his stories straight. That means he legitimately fucked up, not that he decided to lie.

that's not what I meant

in 114 it looked like you were using the fact he got the percentage wrong in order to push your angle of him not keeping his story straight. but the problem is, when math gets involved, town can fuck up just as easily as scum can.

in that specific instance, it's just as likely that he's town who failed than scum who either couldn't actually come up for an answer for the question and thus had to bullshit an answer or otherwise failed. do you disagree?

-Rumia

[Team 9]

Lurkfucking? It's only been 48 hours since game start. My schedule isn't as free as it used to. Activity levels is not, and has never been an alignment tell.

are you going to actually do anything while you're here in the game thread then?

-Rumia

[Team 9]

I can't tell if Team 9 is a genius or a huge whiteknight.

both

[Team 9]

We should investigate Flames682's 'scumread' on me.

It certainly wasn't because you were voting him!

Also boo, I'll let Rumia answer that bc he was doing all the math stuff
-C

[Team 9]

It certainly wasn't because you were voting him!

Is this sarcasm?

No.

[Team 9]

@Team 9:

No, the math error just struck me as amusing at the time, so I commented on it. I hadn't noticed the last vote on him since the vote count, though, so the joke was apparently on me :p

Making percentage errors or math errors isn't scummy; it's the thought process that unfolded later that really bothered me. My read on it was this:

My wagon is invalid and there is scum on it! like, one fourth of it is scum!

Who are the scums?

Um... let me just throw out some names here...

And he happened to throw out names that I have a strong town read on.

It seemed just a bit convenient. Especially since he now says he has no strong scumreads.

fair enough. what's the reasoning behind your town read on Seo?

-Rumia

[Team 9]

Dear this game



Sincerely, Cirno

[Team 9]

@Team 9:

Read his ISO and tell me that this is scum trying to fly under the radar or fit in with the crowd.

Is this about Oka?
Which part of voting Hated claim while acknowledging what hated means is scum trying to fly under the radar or fit in with the crowd?

"Oka is scum for trying to fly under the radar or fit in with the crowd" argument is flawed regardless of Oka's alignment (for argument's sake. I still think he's town).

-C

[Team 9]

[Team 9]

this is two townies killing each other

Why are both flames town?

[Team 9]

@Team 9:

Read his ISO and tell me that this is scum trying to fly under the radar or fit in with the crowd.

Is this about Oka?
Which part of voting Hated claim while acknowledging what hated means is scum trying to fly under the radar or fit in with the crowd?

"Oka is scum for trying to fly under the radar or fit in with the crowd" argument is flawed regardless of Oka's alignment (for argument's sake. I still think he's town).

-C

This is related to your question regarding why I have a strong townread on Seohyun. The last question you asked me. It has nothing to do with Okapoka.

Oh ok. You should specifically mention Rumia then.

[Team 9]

Oh he goes offline in skype when I need him.
Awsum

[Team 9]

This is related to your question regarding why I have a strong townread on Seohyun. The last question you asked me. It has nothing to do with Okapoka.

Haven't read Rumia's posts (nor bothering to bc it's probably boring hehehe) but I actually have townread on Seo a bit bc of the post I mentioned plus sheeping Marquis's read on him bc apparently they know each other fairly well based on how they posted and Marquis looks town even though he went full beef jerky to me.

[Team 9]

Please don't clutter up the thread with those shits

Only I'm allowed to clutter up the thread tyvm

[Team 9]

Also I'm tired and going to sleep

This game better not have exploded to 40 pages by tomorrow

[Team 9]

Boo, the fery and nacho part is a joke lol

[Team 9]

Also, as I said, we don't play "let's pretend to be others".
We sign our posts.
Even if we forget to time to time it's really obvious when different people post.

[Team 9]

@SB: why is a tunnel vision scummy to you?

[Team 9]

post tomorrow
not in the mood tonight

-C

[Team 9]

Sandaarrrrr
I asked you why you scumread not mafia

[Team 9]

@Team 9:

Read his ISO and tell me that this is scum trying to fly under the radar or fit in with the crowd.

did you figure this out based on his first 4 posts? you claim your read on it was that he happened to throw out names you had a strong town read on, but Seo only had 4 posts at that point.

re: Seo, I get the feeling that he always plays like this regardless of alignment - I don't remember anything he did standing out as extremely town motivated. I do have him as town, but atm it's just sheeping Marquis' read so I don't feel strongly about it

-Rumia

[Team 9]

hey FoD

my meta read on you wasn't just based on "inactivity". it's because while you were actually here, you were doing literally nothing. in my last game with you, you had no problem spinning content out of nowhere and trying to drive the game forward - however, in this game, you were doing nothing of the sort. saying "there was nothing going on" doesn't affect this in any way.

also, you are aware the original read was my read, right? other-Flames had researched your town games, but then his read on you came from him agreeing with the points I made.

-Rumia

[Team 9]

also Bookitty, can I get a list of your current scumreads?

also hi notsci <3

[Team 9]

Im on page 5 and I don't like bookitty

has there been a wagon on bookitty yet

Not a major one. She's town though.

Everything yoloswag says sounds forced

Which posts specifically? Bc I didn't feel them being forced.

My read on NintendoFan doesn't actually have to do with lack of content, though that certainly doesn't help.

It's the repeated checking in and providing non-substantive posts while being sure to comment that he doesn't have any votes yet, as though that's a good enough reason not to contribute.

Min hasn't posted once in this game, but I'm not shouting for her head on a silver platter. A LOT of people haven't been providing substantive content or have provided very little in that regard. NintendoFan stands out because it doesn't appear to me that he's going to contribute anything unless he gets some votes on him. That's not an attitude I expect from town.

I guess? I thought he was pretty obviously a new player by the way his posts read though, so I'm kind of wary of this still? It's better than what I thought it was before though.

@SB: why is a tunnel vision scummy to you?

Because it's way easier for scum to fake suspicions on one player than it is on multiple? I don't see why this is a question really lol.

Still not fond of Boo. It feels sort of like she's pushing a lot easy cases, particularly the stuff on NF and Mins whilst they were still in the game, and Saki as well. Inactivity doesn't always mean scum, and I'm not sure why people seem to be excluding me from that pile either and I'm really ??? on that. Her stuff on NM and vezo are kind of agreeable but I don't feel particularly strongly about them either, so I'm still not too pleased with her as a whole.

Forming reads is hard when I can barely remember half of your names. I don't like FoD because he has like 50 posts and the majority of them seem to be defensive or reactionary, if not both, and it feels like he only reveals reads on other players to further a stupid tunnel that needs to slow down a bit. Even if the other Flames is scum, who are their buddies?

I'm back to being worried about yolo weighing in with nothing of real note since his flames case, although he's probably a lower priority than the others? The main thing I find weird really is how this is getting ignored while people like NF are getting slammed for it?

I asked it because Tunnel-Vision is not alignment-indicative and I wanted to see your opinion of it.
Also regarding Bookitty, I see her as actively scumhunting and the targets just happens to be the "easy targets" if you get what I mean. Inactivity doesn't always means scum but that doesn't mean it's always town. Actually, hunting from inactives ain't half bad when only a selective amount of people are being active.

I don't like ^ either but ive only seen like 3 of his posts

I don't like marquis either

Why? That post looked town.
You're full of hate aren't ya

You know, we could all just be really

boring

and lynch the obvious scum Nintendo instead of trying to reinvent the wheel and be a D1 hero!

Can I sheep you for the rest of this game?
Serious question.

If you're talking about the quotes with you asking for an answer to your question, yes. Elsewise, no. If you are talking about those quotes, I feel like "I want to get an idea of how the wagon works" or w/e is a valid response. Unless I'm missing something because I skipped ten pages.

WHY WOULD YOU SKIP 10 PAGES THO

And nintendofan, could be newbscum OR newbtown, so I don't think a lynch could be justified atm

What was your read on nintendo again?

*sigh*

As I said in a post, this is one of my first Mafia games(And my first game here) so I apologize for the way I have been acting and that I haven't been posting as much as others.

For now, I think Min is town and as for Oka I think is a little suspicious but I need to think more. As for everyone else, well I need a better read.

If you have nowhere to go, starting from the ones who are voting you is a good way to start.

As of here:
Townreads: Slandaar, SB, Marquis, Oka, Boo, vezok, Seohyun (sheep marquis), FoD

I think I almost solved this game.

UNVOTE:

[Team 9]

Why the heck is everyone prod dodging

VOTE: vezokpiraka
I don't like you urging me to vote

What? You do realize one of the town's best tools of finding scum is analyzing votes right?

Just a question, but what's the point of analyzing vote that has been made by force?

There are so many prod dodges in this game.

@Mod: pieguyn head in this hydra is V/LA for some while.

I am a total softie when it comes to newbies, so it's kinda hard to discern if NF is being just a newb or actual scum.
His fence-sit was bad but the post like this gives me unusual townvibe.

I wanna yell at notsci to try to get his sorry butt into this game but I know he's busy until later this week so

Also, Mins look town for that "why are you force me to vote" post.

-C

[Team 9]

Also I feel like lynching one of dem prod dodgers just for a sake of them.

[Team 9]

@Mod: Please prod FoD

[Team 9]

Look, here's the same pig-headed play that lost us the last SDR mafia.

I didn't respond to your vote on me; my 2 day prod timer was just up.

cya

The prod range is actually 3 days lol

Also the discredit/AtF part on Saki sucks.

VOTE: Saki

[Team 9]

Look, here's the same pig-headed play that lost us the last SDR mafia.

I didn't respond to your vote on me; my 2 day prod timer was just up.

cya

The prod range is actually 3 days lol

Also the discredit/AtF part on Saki sucks.

VOTE: Saki

From*
Not "on"
/ihategrammar

[Team 9]

AtF = Appeal to Fear.

By threatening bookitty by mentioning how she fucked up the first game by doing the same thing (which is lol comparing that this is only day 1), you were attempting to induce fear to bookitty to back off from you.

[Team 9]

I still don't get this case on saki.

General case is that he havent been doing jack and started yelling and bite back once he got started wagonning.

I would pot in my hydra but I cant log into that account now so

Also I read the whole saki vs the world.
Like, are we playing mafia or political debate?

[Team 9]

I have a day off tomorrow so I'll have some quality post here then.

[Team 9]

@Vezokpiraka: I just can't see NintendoFanscum posting that by his own definition, he is kinda scum. Doesn't that seem like something a newb scum would NEVER say?

To me, Saki's hysterical overreaction seems way more scummy.

We have to reach a consensus in three short days, so can you give me a brief version of why you think NF has to be scum?

I'm still willing to vote Okapoka as well.

@Min: I don't think Vezok is scum and I know that your vote is being wasted there. Can you move your vote to one of the larger wagons, please, to help us get a lynch before the deadline? We need nine people on one wagon or we'll no-lynch, which would be really bad for town.

Which NF post are you talking about here?

Fire Emblem Awakening was somewhat similar, I guess. Saki was the SK in that one. The link goes to where the meltdown begins.

It's not exactly the same, but the tone is similar.

I'd welcome other examples from people who have played with Saki as either scum or town. I simply don't have time to look at all the games he's posted in (some of which he didn't play in) and find the ones where he was under pressure and read through all the posts in those games. Any help would be very much appreciated.

He does it regardless of his alignment. He lurks either as town or scum. He gets suddenly active either as town or scum.

I still don't get this case on saki.

General case is that he havent been doing jack and started yelling and bite back once he got started wagonning.

^

I agree

Ain't my case though.

There are two days till deadline and Flames isn't being lynched.

Vote Saki with me.

Already? O.O

Also FoD's playstyle reminds me of this one player I know in MS.

-C (lol do I even need to sign)

[Team 9]

VOTE: NF

[Team 9]

I said I would be here yesterday night but I had an emergency call-in yesterday so I couldn't.
I don't like posting stuffs like these continuously but I'm gonna say this one more time. I'll be here Tuesday.

BTW, if Slandaar's argument for "justifying" Saki lynch was dumb, the angle being pushed to Slandaar right now is even more dumb.

[Team 9]

Still looking to replace Marquis.

Reading thread now sorry for the wait everyone

?

[Team 9]

(Also I see pie still hasn't posted here. What a lazy bum)

[Team 9]

You, slandaar and the elk guy are scum.

Who's the elk guy?
Also I don't think slandaar is scum.

[Team 9]

I want to talk to GIFPie

sup

[Team 9]

I was trying to cross-check Seohyun's summary with what happened earlier on in this game, but it's hard to match up exactly where everything happens and even harder to determine what it all means. So I'm going to just field questions now. I see multiple people are calling me scum, so let me hold a press conference of sorts to clear the air.

Let's start with questions and requests. Anything you want me to look into specifically?

What do you think about Slandaar and Oka?

[Team 9]

bump

[Team 9]

pagetop

[Team 9]

I support flavor claiming!

Moreover, unlike that other girl in this hydra, I've played through SDR2 and know the flavor.

Given caled and Feirei, I suspect that flavor is tied to alignment and role, so this should be easy.

Of course, I am a 'bad guy' in this game so there's that too.

[Team 9]

--Mystia

[Team 9]

I already claimed my flavor d1.

[Team 9]

TSQ backing off from hated claim looks town as fuck.

Hated claim is like the superior version of miller claim that no one wants to mess with thus if he have kept that claim as scum he would've rode that to the endgame most likely.

[Team 9]

Reads Lists, please?

No.

Come at me bro.

[Team 9]

I support flavor claiming!

Moreover, unlike that other girl in this hydra, I've played through SDR2 and know the flavor.

Given caled and Feirei, I suspect that flavor is tied to alignment and role, so this should be easy.

Of course, I am a 'bad guy' in this game so there's that too.

I already claimed my flavor d1.

couldnt find it
say it again and pick the next

Also, my character looks like an emo ninja.
Discuss.

[Team 9]

VOTE: Varsoon

[Team 9]

I feel like I'm taking crazy pills.

Team 9 : Move your ass here and do something productive. You are three people in that hydra and only lurked

1*

Also I am voting scum while you're voting town.

[Team 9]

brb asking mod something

[Team 9]

Huh that's unexpected.

[Team 9]

Ok so
I wouldn't vote TSQ nor Oka if I were you.

[Team 9]

I'm kinda thinking of nl right now actually since it's mylo
But then NLing will just kill oka.

[Team 9]

Oh by the way, I didn't read D3. At all. Except for few posts at the time I was scarcely around.

[Team 9]

Isn't that obvious

Oh btw I'm not cop.

[Team 9]

I am pretty sure town would remember the player they targeted... Not say the name of player who is now in that slot.

uh...

[Team 9]

TSQ, how do you account for Team 9's defense of Oka?

T9 is being vague and could easily be scum with Oka? It's the part of the game where gambits like that make total sense? If T9 wants to actually make a defense of Oka other than "uhhhh you shouldn't vote this dude." I'll listen to it and evaluate it based on their play, but I don't give much credence to soft claims at this point in the game, not when I look and see that Oka doesn't appear to know what his claim IS, didn't know his targets, etc, and has also been the hammer on a wagon he claimed he was not voting for three minutes after he claimed he was not going to vote for it because deadline (lol deadline was like half a day away) and has jumped on at the end of misslynch this game. Even today, he appears to just be trying to vote for whomever other people are voting for, switching from me, to you to someone else. He doesn't care who gets lynched. He's going to sheep FOD of all people...

Scum.

Oka ain't got no gun

[Team 9]

Why are we not lynching OkaPoka when everyone else is town to some extent? He's the odd one out.

Bc he ain't got no gun

[Team 9]

Ah, so that's the claim you're making.

Because godfathers don't exist.

And Godfather of gunsmith would be?

[Team 9]

VOTE: Varsoon

[Team 9]

데헷

[Team 9]

Neighborhood is awesome.
So we lynched scumsoon who's next?

[Team 9]

Yeah probably.
I think beeboy is also scum.

[Team 9]

It's just all PoE at this point.
I think the fourth one is vezok.
His attack on obvtown Slandaar was bad.

[Team 9]

Oh also even without being scum I had Slandaar as very strong town btw.
He was just applying the one of the most common town fallacy of "wrong = scum"