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In my experience, anyway, hated roles are more likely to be town because of balance issues.
So what's your reasoning for voting Marquis, Okapoka?"Oh, you can't help that," said the Cat: "we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad."
"How do you know I'm mad?" said Alice.
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In post 49, OkaPoka wrote:if you were town you would be voting me right now
Well, THAT wasn't the right answer.
I thought it might have been an RVS vote, but I guess not.
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In post 59, OkaPoka wrote:The thing is though none of you understand that it was a joke... So whatever
I don't think you get to have it both ways.
If it's a joke, then logically you should be at least surprised by the votes on you. Alternatively, I could see you voting OMGUS on one of the people who voted you.
What doesn't make sense is voting for someone who questioned your vote, if it was a joke. That only makes sense if you were trying to catch scum with what would essentially amount to a mini-gambit.
You're demonstrating a confusion of motive. If your vote had been a joke, you wouldn't have reacted as you did. If it was a gambit, why would you say it was a joke?"Oh, you can't help that," said the Cat: "we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad."
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"Oh, you can't help that," said the Cat: "we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad."
"How do you know I'm mad?" said Alice.
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What do you think I should be commenting on, Bins?
I've already said what I think of his so-called joke vote.
@Not_Mafia: If I miscounted, fair enough. It's still 50 percent, not 25. And that's characteristic of my problem with Oka; the story keeps changing every time he tells it."Oh, you can't help that," said the Cat: "we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad."
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In post 113, Team 9 wrote:Why is that statement scummy, boo?
Because it didn't address my question.
If Oka knew that Hated roles were mostly town, then his vote could have been a joke, as he's now saying. In that case, I'm not going to vote him seriously for an RVS joke.
If Oka hadn't played enough with Hated roles to know that, then it could be an honest newbie mistake. In that case, I'm not going to vote him for not knowing about Hated roles.
However, if the response is then to vote me because I didn't vote him for auto-voting a Hated role, that argues that he was not making a joke and he was seriously voting a Hated role for ???? reasons. Suggesting that no townie would fail to vote him for that while ignoring others who didn't vote him for that indicated to me that he didn't want to answer the question.
Later, he decides to say it's all a joke. But nothing in his behaviour earlier suggests that.
I don't see how you think he's townie. I don't agree. The issue with percentages just bears out the idea that he's making up motivations and opinions on the fly as they become handy, rather than having them from the start."Oh, you can't help that," said the Cat: "we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad."
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In post 116, Team 9 wrote:"Joke vote for reaction testing" doesn't quite sounds like a confusion of motive
Reaction testing? That's something you're bringing to the party. Oka hasn't said anything like that.
Joke vote =/= Reaction testing."Oh, you can't help that," said the Cat: "we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad."
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In post 119, OkaPoka wrote:so you think this is serious?
Why did you believe that all townies should vote you for it if you didn't think it would be taken seriously?"Oh, you can't help that," said the Cat: "we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad."
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In post 188, Marquis wrote:and if you can't see how fluidly and weakly oka's stances changed based on what was easiest to do at the time (and based on Public Approval Ratings™)
I endorse this opinion."Oh, you can't help that," said the Cat: "we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad."
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Shouldn't all townies be voting you according to you?
After all, you voted for me for not voting for you.
What was your case on me, again?"Oh, you can't help that," said the Cat: "we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad."
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In other news, Min still hasn't posted in this game.
@Seohyun: I pronounce it BOO-kittie personally. Shortens to Boo or Bookie mostly, but I'm not too picky."Oh, you can't help that," said the Cat: "we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad."
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During the first Dangan Ronpa game, Flames of Disaster and I went at each other tooth and nail and fought it out throughout the initial stages of the game. To be fair, it was just as much my fault as his, but we were both town.
That's my only experience in playing with him, so I'm not sure how helpful it is. I do think he was a lot more active and aggressive in that game, though."Oh, you can't help that," said the Cat: "we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad."
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In post 15, Team 9 wrote:Oh to be clear.
If I don't sign or sign as cirno, it's me.
If I sign as rumia, it's pie.
If I sign as mystia, it's nati.
If I sign as wriggle, it's nacho
If I sign as daiyousei, it's fery.
Just to let you know."Oh, you can't help that," said the Cat: "we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad."
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I'm not voting Okapoka for being bad at math nor yet for "lying" about it. I was voting him well before he made the weird math error. I do think that his story has changed several times and that he seems pretty unclear even on what he thinks or what his actual motivations really were.
I've said this before, but I'll repeat for clarity:
If it's a joke, then why vote someone for asking a question regarding it?
If it's a gambit, then why question why all the votes when it's clearly intended to elicit them?
If it's a joke that became a gambit, then why not make the case that would logically follow?
It's not the math mistake that makes the difference. It's the whole picture of trying to pass it off as a joke, then grabbing on to your "reaction test" comment and trying to play it off as both. The math mistake is more telling because:
1) he voted me for not voting him immediately (while still ignoring my question and every question I've asked him since)
2) he then complained about all the votes on him, despite his expressed opinion that voting for him was a townie move
3) he came up with what looks like a random selection of proposed scum on his wagon that doesn't bear any relation to the actual evidence in the thread
I don't believe I ever said he lied about the math. I said he can't keep his stories straight. That means he legitimately fucked up, not that he decided to lie."Oh, you can't help that," said the Cat: "we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad."
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Actually, I do have another question.
@Okapoka:Between Team 9 and Seohyun, who do you think more likely to be scum?"Oh, you can't help that," said the Cat: "we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad."
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In post 262, Flames682 wrote:In post 261, Bookitty wrote:Actually, I do have another question.
@Okapoka:Between Team 9 and Seohyun, who do you think more likely to be scum?
What do you hope to gain from this question?
An understanding of the rationale used to derive his list of scum on his wagon, if one exists."Oh, you can't help that," said the Cat: "we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad."
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In post 263, OkaPoka wrote:Here:
Why did you only vote me when I voted you?
Why did you immediately attack me when I said it would be town to attack me?
One is a whiteknight maybe and the other one is a drunk player
I voted you because I asked you a question to determine whether or not you were still in RVS mode when you voted Marquis or whether you didn't really understand the Hated role. You failed to respond in any way to my question. Your vote is really irrelevant to my vote on you. It's your failure to answer the question that made me think you were trying for low-hanging fruit by attacking Marquis and attacking anyone who questioned your attack.
But my vote on you can't possibly be the motivation for your vote on me; your vote came first."Oh, you can't help that," said the Cat: "we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad."
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In post 261, Bookitty wrote:@Okapoka:Between Team 9 and Seohyun, who do you think more likely to be scum?"Oh, you can't help that," said the Cat: "we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad."
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@Team 9:No, the math error just struck me as amusing at the time, so I commented on it. I hadn't noticed the last vote on him since the vote count, though, so the joke was apparently on me :p
Making percentage errors or math errors isn't scummy; it's the thought process that unfolded later that really bothered me. My read on it was this:
My wagon is invalid and there is scum on it! like, one fourth of it is scum!
Who are the scums?
Um... let me just throw out some names here...
And he happened to throw out names that I have a strong town read on.
It seemed just a bit convenient. Especially since he now says he has no strong scumreads."Oh, you can't help that," said the Cat: "we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad."
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Ironically, now that Okapoka has FINALLY started answering my questions, I have a less confident scumread on him.
Meh."Oh, you can't help that," said the Cat: "we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad."
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In post 310, Team 9 wrote:In post 302, Bookitty wrote:@Team 9:Read his ISO and tell me that this is scum trying to fly under the radar or fit in with the crowd.
Is this about Oka?
Which part of voting Hated claim while acknowledging what hated means is scum trying to fly under the radar or fit in with the crowd?
"Oka is scum for trying to fly under the radar or fit in with the crowd" argument is flawed regardless of Oka's alignment (for argument's sake. I still think he's town).
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This is related to your question regarding why I have a strong townread on Seohyun. The last question you asked me. It has nothing to do with Okapoka."Oh, you can't help that," said the Cat: "we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad."
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@FOD: If I had to move my vote right now, it would be to NintendoFan for his drop-in vote check visits.
@Team 9: I will try to remember to quote the posts I'm replying to, but it will be a bit confusing to address five specific members of a hydra separately. That burden should really be on you guys, I think, rather than on other people to keep track of who posts what This is a large game, but it shouldn't be THAT large."Oh, you can't help that," said the Cat: "we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad."
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In post 330, Team 9 wrote:Also, as I said, we don't play "let's pretend to be others".
We sign our posts.
Even if we forget to time to time it's really obvious when different people post.
I don't really know any of you, so you'll understand when I say it's not that obvious to me.
In any case, I treat hydras as one player to save my own sanity. I will make a real effort to quote anything I'm answering, though, which should help a lot."Oh, you can't help that," said the Cat: "we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad."
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In post 356, SB wrote:Boo has virtually no content on anyone else, then says he looks a bit better but it doesn't look like his stance changed at all, and he doesn't try to look for scum elsewhere either.
I have no idea what you're trying to say here. Okapoka's stance has changed somewhat in that he's now answering my questions. And why does it matter whether he's looking for scum elsewhere or at all, if you think he's town anyway?"Oh, you can't help that," said the Cat: "we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad."
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I was responding to questions being put to me by Team 9, actually. So yes, I was explaining my previous read, which has softened but not completely gone away.
I posted the comment in question regarding Okapoka fairly late last night and I did point out to Flames of Disaster my second strongest scumread after my comment about Oka, so your assessment doesn't stand up to close scrutiny. I owe FoD a close and careful read on his Flame-War partner, and I expect I'll get to that sometime today assuming I have the time.
And... I'm not a he. I'm kind of amused that you would think someone with a Hello Kitty avatar and a name like BooKitty would be male, though"Oh, you can't help that," said the Cat: "we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad."
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My read on NintendoFan doesn't actually have to do with lack of content, though that certainly doesn't help.
It's the repeated checking in and providing non-substantive posts while being sure to comment that he doesn't have any votes yet, as though that's a good enough reason not to contribute.
Min hasn't posted once in this game, but I'm not shouting for her head on a silver platter. A LOT of people haven't been providing substantive content or have provided very little in that regard. NintendoFan stands out because it doesn't appear to me that he's going to contribute anything unless he gets some votes on him. That's not an attitude I expect from town."Oh, you can't help that," said the Cat: "we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad."
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In post 264, Bookitty wrote:In post 262, Flames682 wrote:In post 261, Bookitty wrote:Actually, I do have another question.
@Okapoka:Between Team 9 and Seohyun, who do you think more likely to be scum?
What do you hope to gain from this question?
An understanding of the rationale used to derive his list of scum on his wagon, if one exists.
You never made any response to this. What did you hope to gain from YOUR question?"Oh, you can't help that," said the Cat: "we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad."
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In post 382, Min wrote:or I got my times mixed up, regardless it's still weird that only one person bothered to point out me not doing anything
If you start reading at page 10, you're bound to miss a few things.
Your absence was noted well before the mod prodded you."Oh, you can't help that," said the Cat: "we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad."
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In post 415, yoloswag123 wrote:What caused you to come to that conclusion?
What is this referring to, please?"Oh, you can't help that," said the Cat: "we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad."
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Reposting because I didn't get an answer.
@Flames682:
In post 411, Bookitty wrote:In post 264, Bookitty wrote:In post 262, Flames682 wrote:In post 261, Bookitty wrote:Actually, I do have another question.
@Okapoka:Between Team 9 and Seohyun, who do you think more likely to be scum?
What do you hope to gain from this question?
An understanding of the rationale used to derive his list of scum on his wagon, if one exists.
You never made any response to this. What did you hope to gain from YOUR question?"Oh, you can't help that," said the Cat: "we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad."
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In post 434, Team 9 wrote:also Bookitty, can I get a list of your current scumreads?
Yep.
Okapoka is still there. I'm not as confident now, but the fact that he's contributing less now that some of the pressure is off seems suspicious to me too. I'd also like an answer to your previous question to Oka about why both Flames are town.
NintendoFan is suspicious for reasons mentioned earlier. I'm not sure what he means about Min being scum because she hadn't posted, but I don't think I'd get a coherent answer even if I asked.
I'm not happy with Min's repeated reading fail. I don't understand how it's relevant even if NO ONE had noticed she wasn't here. The fact that this was what she entered the game talking about and that she's not participating in any relevant discussion is pinging my scumdar pretty hard. She also seemed to miss the entire point of my question to Flames682.
I haven't picked a horse in the Flames wars yet. I think it's a bit odd that Flames of Disaster only reverted to what I think of as his signature style after being told he wasn't acting like his town self. I'm not at all confident that I can read him as town or scum anyway, but I think the argument between Flames and Flames seemed somehow forced. (I think Slandaar commented this already in a "bussing" comment.)
Saki might be scum. He hasn't posted enough for me to have a solid read, but that was true in the previous Dangan Ronpa game too. In that one he was town.
When I try to think of what Not_Mafia has contributed without doing an ISO, I have a hard time. I remember vaguely that he was questioning Okapoka about his vote on me, but town or scum could do that. I only have meta for NM based on games I've read, not games I've played (and I consider the latter a MUCH more reliable source) so I'm going to say lean-scum on NM.
And... I think Vezokpiraka might be scum. He jumped right on NintendoFan after (and perhaps because) I made my comments that I would be voting him if I weren't voting Okapoka. Now he's pushing that wagon pretty hard while telling Flames of Disaster that Flames682 is town:
In post 396, vezokpiraka wrote:@FoD: kindly shut the fuck up and go make reads on another players. Your tunneling is bad and on the wrong person.
That's pretty definite in saying Flames682 is town, something I'm not sure of and something that I don't think VP could know for sure either.
Oh, and as a bonus, I think Slandaar is probably town. He was awfully quick to declare you (Team 9) as conftown based on a mod response. While I don't really agree with his logic and my reasoning for thinking you're town is different, I don't see a scum motivation for that. It narrows down options, something scum wouldn't want to do in the early part of the game imo."Oh, you can't help that," said the Cat: "we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad."
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All right, VezokPiraka: Why is Flames of Disaster tunneling "on the wrong person," then? What did you mean by that, if you're not saying Flames682 is town?"Oh, you can't help that," said the Cat: "we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad."
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Regardless of Flames682's alignment, I did a little meta research of my own (the meta that dare not say its name, actually) and this is not like FoD's scum game from my ISO of the limited available evidence."Oh, you can't help that," said the Cat: "we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad."
"How do you know I'm mad?" said Alice.
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In post 477, Min wrote:In post 427, Bookitty wrote:Min, did you even read what i posted?
If you're talking about the quotes with you asking for an answer to your question, yes. Elsewise, no. If you are talking about those quotes, I feel like "I want to get an idea of how the wagon works" or w/e is a valid response. Unless I'm missing something because I skipped ten pages.
Read it carefully, please. I think you are misattributing my response to the person I was asking for a response. I hadn't GOTTEN a response to my question yet, which followed the response *I* gave which I think you are misattributing to the other person.
@Notscience: No wagon on me yet, though I think I might have two votes. Make your case. I look forward to hearing what you come up with."Oh, you can't help that," said the Cat: "we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad."
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Reasons I think SB is probably town:
He's voting me and showing his work in terms of reasoning. From my point of view, his reasoning is obviously wrong; however, I think he's expressing opinions he actually has and making an effort to explain them.
Also, I don't feel like I am a really easy target. Certainly there are much easier wagons to join or to push. He's not trying to blend in with the crowd and he's showing some signs of confbias, something that I think is hard to fake and something that I definitely associate more with town.
He hasn't posted much, but in contrast to the people I listed as likely scum, he's definitely shown more willingness to stick his neck out and argue his cases."Oh, you can't help that," said the Cat: "we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad."
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@Min: What do you think about what's going on in the rest of the game?
Do you have any scumreads, townreads, or reads in general?"Oh, you can't help that," said the Cat: "we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad."
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@NintendoFan:What, in your view, makes someone suspicious?
If Min had never posted and had instead been replaced, would the replacement still be suspicious because Min hadn't ever posted?
What do you feel you need to acquire a better read on other players? I am asking whether you need to read the game more fully or whether you need more content from other players?"Oh, you can't help that," said the Cat: "we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad."
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Current list of reads:
1. Not_Mafia- I'm not ready to vote Not_Mafia, but I feel like he's weighing in just enough to stay under the radar. I don't have enough experience with him to determine whether that's scummy on his part or playstyle, but either way it's not inspiring me to have warm and fuzzy feelings about him.
2. Bins now notscience– Bins was kind of middle-of-the-road for me. At least notscience is making some accusations and making something happen, even if I don't agree with what he says.
3. Flames682AND5. Flames of Disaster– Slandaar said this first, and I mildly agreed with him; that agreement has grown as time as passed. I have the feeling that the fight between these two is forced. This was only a mild feeling at first, but the persistent continuation of the fight without the real anger I felt from FoD in the first SDR game has made me think two things. One: FoD only started this fight after the differences from his town meta were pointed out. Two: The fight seems like it's being played out with wooden swords, not sharp ones. I could be wrong, but it feels faked or manufactured to me somehow.
4. yoloswag123– Needs more content. I'm content with filing him in town for now though based on the content of his limited posting.
6. Slandaar- I think this guy is town. I'm not crazy about his push on NintendoFan right now, but I don't think it's coming from a scum motivation.
7. Team 9 (GuyInFreezer + pieguyn + Natirasha)– Not afraid to make waves or definite statements. Obvtown. Maybe the only hydra I've ever felt confident about my read.
9. Saki– Needs more content. Could be town or scum. In SDR1, we got to end-game with almost nothing to go on; in that game he was town.
10. vezokpiraka– I was probably wrong about Vezok; his cranky and pissed-off attitude seems like a town reaction.
11. OkaPoka– I'm sticking to my scumread on Oka even though the wagon has mostly dissipated. I wavered for a little, but his almost complete disappearance after the wagon and the discussion died down looks like scum trying to skate under the radar.
12. NintendoFan– NF's early entry into the game was just awful to me. His weird waffle on Min, though, seems like a newbie issue and not a true scumtell. I'd like an explanation for why someone who doesn't post is scum, but I already asked that question and haven't gotten a response.
13. SB– Lean town. I'd put him up over Yoloswag but not up with my firm townreads. I don't feel like scum would take me on so directly, not even newbscum.
14. Min– Here's a tough one. She's come into the game announcing she hasn't read the first ten pages (would scum admit to that?) and criticises people for playing the newbie card (though I don't think anyone truly has; others have done it on their behalf). She doesn't have any suspicions that I recall except for people pushing too hard; is that actually a scumtell?
15. Seohyun– Strong town. Limited posting but what's there looks town to me in timing and content. NF looks like the easy lynch and he's not pushing on him, something I think scum would do even if NF is scum due to the liability NF might represent for them.
16. Marquis– I don't know if the hated townie thing is a gambit or what. I don't think it matters; the willingness to make himself a target in that way and the persistence with Oka makes me feel strongly that Marquis is town. Reduced activity recently isn't a scumtell as with Oka because there's no wagon on Marquis and thus no advantage to him in flying under the radar.
Questions, comments, flames and corrections are welcome."Oh, you can't help that," said the Cat: "we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad."
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In post 525, yoloswag123 wrote:true true but I think nintendo fan as scum would just rather not mention min at all.
I don't understand your reasoning. Can you explain a bit more?"Oh, you can't help that," said the Cat: "we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad."
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@Min:Have you read the first ten pages of this game yet?
Why do you think pushing too hard on someone is a scumtell?
Did you understand what yoloswag123 was saying despite his lack of three commas and one capital letter in his very brief post?"Oh, you can't help that," said the Cat: "we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad."
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I go back and forth on NintendoFan. I would like to give him a chance to provide actual relevant content that doesn't involve one read or nonread on someone who hadn't even posted yet.
The newbie defence is a thing because it is really easy to lynch someone for making newbie mistakes due to a lack of understanding of the game. One reason I'm not really jumping on board with these and that my vote is still on Oka is because I think that scum would be quick to bus NintendoFan at this point. Right now, he has just Vezok (probtown), Flames682 and Slandaar (probtown) on him. If NintendoFan were scum, I'd expect his scumteam to be piling on to gain valuable towncred and to get rid of a liability. It's win-win for them.
The thing that makes me hesitate, though, is that NF isn't the only newbie or relatively inexperienced player in this game. Just because I see that clearly doesn't mean the rest of his scumteam would see it. There might also be an issue with timing; a bunch of votes going up at the same time would definitely ping some scumdars.
There's some merit to the idea that lynching NintendoFan now would benefit town regardless of his alignment because he's not going to be readable later on either. His lack of posting supports this.
I don't know. I'm going to think about it some more."Oh, you can't help that," said the Cat: "we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad."
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I said there was merit to the argument. There is. Taking someone unreadable to LYLO is a freaking nightmare that can guarantee a loss for town.
You chose to respond to this by saying that lynching town is always bad for town. I don't happen to agree with this, but it's moot anyway because townies by definition are an uninformed majority who might lynch town in any case. Since WE don't know for sure and can't derive much from what NF is putting forth, it might be worthwhile to eliminate the uncertainty now and go on with that knowledge.
Your response seems a little trite at best and seems narrowly to focus on the idea that NF is town. Do you think he is?"Oh, you can't help that," said the Cat: "we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad."
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You keep saying that as if you know that NintendoFan is town. If he's scum, I'm justifying voting for someone who is scum, right. So why do you keep insisting that NF is town and I'm justifying lynching town?"Oh, you can't help that," said the Cat: "we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad."
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Do you understand the difference between saying an argument has merit and saying that it's your own confirmed opinion?
If I thought it was definitely a good lynch, I would be voting him. I don't know his alignment and I obviously think YOU are the best lynch because I'm voting YOU.
Who do you think is scum, Okapoka? Or is your scumlist still confined to one person who's voting you?"Oh, you can't help that," said the Cat: "we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad."
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No, actually it isn't.
You can't read NintendoFan because of "newbie bias." You're unwilling to give any other reads on other players. Even if you do think I'm the scummiest, you're keeping all your options open on all other players.
Let's say I'm lynched and I flip town. Who do you go after next? Who would be next scummiest on your list?"Oh, you can't help that," said the Cat: "we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad."
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