Super Dangan Ronpa 2 Mafia (GAME OVER)

[Flames of Disaster]

Hello Bookitty

Nice to see you again in this next installment!

[Flames of Disaster]

vote flames682

I will outburn you, because I bring disaster!!!

[Flames of Disaster]

Does Bins refer to the rubbish bin?

You know, trash bins,

[Flames of Disaster]

Damn, the boss man Slandaar is here!

[Flames of Disaster]

oh also

I've played with town FoD before (I was scum) and he definitely wasn't lurkfucking like he is here. in that game he had a shitton of activity right out the gate and you could tell he was trying to make things happen in the game.

-Rumia

Lurkfucking? It's only been 48 hours since game start. My schedule isn't as free as it used to. Activity levels is not, and has never been an alignment tell.

[Flames of Disaster]

My vote stays on FoD

pedit: Because I have more of a scumread on FoD.

Why do you have a scum read on me? Is it because I voted you? Am I scum for voting you sir?

[Flames of Disaster]

You are fried chicken.

[Flames of Disaster]

Lurkfucking? It's only been 48 hours since game start. My schedule isn't as free as it used to. Activity levels is not, and has never been an alignment tell.

are you going to actually do anything while you're here in the game thread then?

-Rumia

And what would you like me to do? Okapoka is just being a huge chicken distraction. The discussion in the game has been fluff. I could ignore the previous pages and still come out no wiser than when I had if I did.



We should investigate Flames682's 'scumread' on me.

[Flames of Disaster]

I see two major blocs right now.

Pro Oka lynch and Anti Oka lynch.

I bet there are more scum on pro than anti, yet there will be scum on anti oka.

You don't say, I don't know!

[Flames of Disaster]

Lurkfucking? It's only been 48 hours since game start. My schedule isn't as free as it used to. Activity levels is not, and has never been an alignment tell.

are you going to actually do anything while you're here in the game thread then?

-Rumia

And what would you like me to do? Okapoka is just being a huge chicken distraction. The discussion in the game has been fluff. I could ignore the previous pages and still come out no wiser than when I had if I did.



We should investigate Flames682's 'scumread' on me.

Yep even though Team 9 explained it for me

Are they your scum partner? Must Team 9 defend you?


Man up and answer the questions directed to you.

[Flames of Disaster]

Don't be a chicken.

[Flames of Disaster]

I think that the other flames is scum because he is making up scumreads. Conveniently, on the better Flames than he is.

Like, throw your darts better, ape.

[Flames of Disaster]

VOTE: flames682

I know I am already voting him but just to make this clear.

[Flames of Disaster]

Let me try an OkaPoka special:


'One of the two Flames must be scum. It is certainly not Flames of Disaster.'

[Flames of Disaster]

You're retarded to use meta when you have never played with me before. Just saying.


Die, caps failure monster.

[Flames of Disaster]

I think that Flames682 is scum. He is a newbie and trying to make up bullshit.


Bookitty if you see the big problem with him please vote him.

[Flames of Disaster]

Dear this game



Sincerely, Cirno

Cute little Remilia



I think.

[Flames of Disaster]

Nothing left to say? Then you shall burn in the Flames Of Disaster.

[Flames of Disaster]

I rest my case.

[Flames of Disaster]

Everyone, look at how anti-town these players are behaving. Don't you want these scum lynched?

[Flames of Disaster]

Flames682 has already claimed scum. I have nothing left to say.



Way easier than Bookitty, wasn't it? Alignment determined within 2 pages.

[Flames of Disaster]

Let me try an OkaPoka special:


'One of the two Flames must be scum. It is certainly not Flames of Disaster.'

@ team 9

[Flames of Disaster]

I am a Mafia Serial Cult Leader Killer Goon

No wonder you are so bad. According to your wiki, you have never played mafia before.


Unfortunately for you, I am specialized in eliminating scum. This is your first time. You are caught scum. Die in a fire.

[Flames of Disaster]

I am a Mafia Serial Cult Leader Killer Goon

No wonder you are so bad. According to your wiki, you have never played mafia before.


Unfortunately for you, I am specialized in eliminating scum. This is your first time. You are caught scum. Die in a fire.

Wow your specialty must not be in reading. Your wiki reading skills are amazing!

My speciality is in making scums like you look like stupid idiots. Then lynch them. I have succeeded in the first part.

[Flames of Disaster]

Pokemon online? Is that a site?

Do pokemon games have mafia too?

[Flames of Disaster]

Because he has no avatar.

[Flames of Disaster]

Me vs the other Flames was myself trolling and laughing my ass off

I'll laugh my ass of when you get lynched and flip scum, boy.

[Flames of Disaster]

*off

[Flames of Disaster]

Flames628 is so clearly scum, why isn't anyone seeing this?

[Flames of Disaster]

VOTE: flames682

I know I am already voting him but just to make this clear.

Wow I'm so threatened. I'm voting you because of your town meta and how the fuck you didn't see that is beyond me.

Also

VOTE: fLAMES OF dISASTER

You're retarded to use meta when you have never played with me before. Just saying.


Die, caps failure monster.

He is making up shit. Why can't you see it? Then when I call him out he says he is 'trolling'


Why don't your #1 suspect (NintendoFan) says that he is trolling too, huh?

[Flames of Disaster]

"I claim scum"

"Oh, I am just trolling"

If you can let him get away with this bullshit that good luck to all of you.

[Flames of Disaster]

No, he made a scum mistake and is trying to cover it up by saying it was 'trolling'.

[Flames of Disaster]

More than that. Look at everything.


Oh, and obviously he made up the parts about 'looking at my town games'. He just copied what Bookitty and Slandaar said.

[Flames of Disaster]

Some more games with FoD town (he is quite active in these games):

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=36986
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=52885

Couldn't find any games where he was scum though

pedit: ah ok

The links convince me that he didn't make it up.

Okay then,

how about this:



I think you are scum. You are following your scum meta.

See, over here!
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=57689
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=57502
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=48071
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=41311
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=30226




P.S: I totally made that up

P.S.S: Holy shit, you have a lot of scumgames, mafiaman Slandaar.

[Flames of Disaster]

*mafia boss Slandaar.

I am so uncreative.

[Flames of Disaster]

If he had read them kosher, he would have noticed several very significant and important details regarding myself that anyone who have pointed out when they have read it for the first time.

Do you know what I mean?

[Flames of Disaster]

Reposting because I didn't get an answer.

@Flames682:

Actually, I do have another question.

@Okapoka:

Between Team 9 and Seohyun, who do you think more likely to be scum?

What do you hope to gain from this question?

An understanding of the rationale used to derive his list of scum on his wagon, if one exists.

You never made any response to this. What did you hope to gain from YOUR question?

And that's why Flames612 is scum. He doesn't hope to gain anything from his questions, he is just pretending to contribute.

[Flames of Disaster]

I am just a mere mortal unlike you Flamesy so I will need the full explanation.

Sigh. Okay, look. It doesn't matter what he did or did not mention, or what he missed. It matters that he did make it up. I do not like your line of inquiry.

I'm not going to make a full-on long explanation just because a newbie scum "troll" egosearched me and linked some of my past games and said, "Oh, you aren't following your town meta, you are scummy".


He obviously made that read up, and it's basic commonsense. Anyone can see that.

[Flames of Disaster]

Sigh. Okay, look. It doesn't matter what he did or did not mention, or what he missed. It matters that he did make it up. I do not like your line of inquiry.

You need a reason to disbelieve them. Your reason is he didn't play with you before but I say well he found the games so it is not unreasonable to assume he did in fact look at them. Take for example SDR1 he only needed look at page 1 to see the difference and he DID look at page one to find out your alignment in the game, did he scroll down a little? yes I am going to believe he did.

I'm not going to make a full-on long explanation just because a newbie scum "troll" egosearched me and linked some of my past games and said, "Oh, you aren't following your town meta, you are scummy".

He obviously made that read up, and it's basic commonsense. Anyone can see that.

Here are the facts: If you truly are convinced of his guilt for this then providing said long explanation is beneficial for you in multiple ways. Otherwise do not expect someone you are convinced is scum to be lynched on 'basic common sense' it is your choice.

Firstly, he only mentioned that "you are not following your town meta". So, in what way am I "not following my town meta"? Any details? Any specific thing that he wants to point out? "You are less active". Even a three year old kid can come up with that. If he did look through my past games legitimately, he would have more substantive things to say about my "meta", rather than "oh, you look scummy".

Secondly, isn't it convenient that

During the first Dangan Ronpa game, Flames of Disaster and I went at each other tooth and nail and fought it out throughout the initial stages of the game. To be fair, it was just as much my fault as his, but we were both town.

That's my only experience in playing with him, so I'm not sure how helpful it is. I do think he was a lot more active and aggressive in that game, though.

oh also

I've played with town FoD before (I was scum) and he definitely wasn't lurkfucking like he is here. in that game he had a shitton of activity right out the gate and you could tell he was trying to make things happen in the game.

-Rumia

Two other more legitimate-looking townie-looking players gave the same read and reason "Flames is not playing to <past versions on how I remember him like>." Isn't it a coincidence that Flames123 came up with the same idea long afterwards? I'm sure he would have went to link my past games and say that "I wasn't following town meta" if Team 9 and Bookitty didn't say it first, wouldn't he?

Thirdly, if he did look at my past games legitimately, there are very striking things that he would have exclaimed. Firstly, I am

always right

always on the right wagon. In my past games, 100% of the time, I was on a scum lynch, and never mislynched a townie before. Secondly, I am an alt. Nope, Flames999 wouldn't have noticed that while he read my past games, not at all. Even though I mentioned it like maybe 5 billion and one times, I have to check.

Last but not least, his past games and even his current play in this game reveal that he is terrible and probably lacks the intelligence to metadive in a competent fashion; maybe he will even fail to read so many meta games at once. Do you seriously think someone like that can have the mojo to read /anyone/'s past games? I know many stronger players that can't.





So, are you going to help me lynch this scumbutt right now, or are you going to continue to be a thorn in the side?

[Flames of Disaster]

hey FoD

my meta read on you wasn't just based on "inactivity". it's because while you were actually here, you were doing literally nothing. in my last game with you, you had no problem spinning content out of nowhere and trying to drive the game forward - however, in this game, you were doing nothing of the sort. saying "there was nothing going on" doesn't affect this in any way.

also, you are aware the original read was my read, right? other-Flames had researched your town games, but then his read on you came from him agreeing with the points I made.

-Rumia

I don't actually remember playing with you.

I mean, I just admitted I'm an alt, which I do in all of my games, so I do know that I play with you, heheh.

But I don't remember

you

playing with

me

.

[Flames of Disaster]

It's your turn to substantiate your claim, son. I've done mine.

I'm not obligated to answer your petty questions.

[Flames of Disaster]

You're right. Screw me. That was the last one before I died.

[Flames of Disaster]

He can just make up a number, you know that right?

[Flames of Disaster]

Say, I pretend to be Flames555:


"Oh, I've read the whole thing like a good boy".

What then?

[Flames of Disaster]

Sure, go ahead. I trust that you have a plan in mind.

Not like those buffoons over there.

[Flames of Disaster]

None of them content. So how is he obviously lying when he said that you'd done shit all here but contributed as town in the past.

He is lying when he said that he read my past games and knows my town meta.

...
...
...

Unless he didn't say that. Unless he just blatantly copied Team 9 and Bookitty's points. And just linked my past town games just because.

That is still guilty under my second point, so it's still covered.

[Flames of Disaster]

And what does you bragging about never being on a mislynch wagon have to do with anything? What do you want him to do, think "oh shit, best check my role pm".

Yeah, baby, better go back to mommy.

Instead of nitpicking, does that mean that you completely agree with my points 1, 2, and 4? If so, my argument still stands, so I don't know why you are arguing for the sake of arguing.

[Flames of Disaster]

Like, if your only issue is my bragging of " In my past games, 100% of the time, I was on a scum lynch, and never mislynched a townie before. ", then well,

you just disproved it, so I have nothing else to say to you.


At this point I'm pretty sure that you're arguing for the sake of arguing. Very sure.

Okay, so you are trying to determine my alignment. That's a good thing. But, you know, we can't have an argument when your only qualm is my "100% minus one before scum decided to kill me" perfection claim.

[Flames of Disaster]

terrible as town?

Did I say that?

[Flames of Disaster]

Yeah, so


he copied Team 9's content,

Then pretends that its his own content (a rising star contributor!)

even helps us to link us my past games (oh... so helpful... thank you!)

and comes up the same read as Team 9 predicated on exactly the same reasons that Team 9 had. (great minds think alike!)



All this just tells me that Team 9 is town for original reads and Flames888 is scum for copying reads and pretending to contribute.

[Flames of Disaster]

And what does you bragging about never being on a mislynch wagon have to do with anything? What do you want him to do, think "oh shit, best check my role pm".

Yeah, baby, better go back to mommy.

Instead of nitpicking, does that mean that you completely agree with my points 1, 2, and 4? If so, my argument still stands, so I don't know why you are arguing for the sake of arguing.

No it doesn't, "nitpicking", you're using it as an argument for the other Flames being scum and I'm asking why it's at all relevant.

You still have 3 more points of my argument to break through, Your Honor!

[Flames of Disaster]

I haven't even been yet to the point where he was covering his ass by saying it was "trolling".

Darn trolls, they get me every time!

[Flames of Disaster]

I am hot.

[Flames of Disaster]

Hello, I have been prodded.

Let me vote someone whom I think is scum.

VOTE: Flames682

[Flames of Disaster]

I like Okapoka and Saki's new avatars. Okapoka evolved from a chicken to a Superman. Saki is just cool.

[Flames of Disaster]

When you guys decide to lynch real scum(hint: Flames268) then I'll come back and give more words of wisdom, okay?

[Flames of Disaster]

Saki isn't scum. He's a good boy. The wagon on him is obviously scum motivated.

Especially when there's Flames124 on it! Nope, definitely going to flip town.

[Flames of Disaster]

The above was a thinly veiled prod dodge, by the way.

[Flames of Disaster]

No, I don't vote for townreads.

[Flames of Disaster]

VOTE: flames682

I think it's about time we caught real scum.

[Flames of Disaster]

Good thing I didn't lynch that dirty 'scumbag', right? Would have ruined my record!


:p

Flames222 is still the best lynch.

[Flames of Disaster]

If you are expecting any form of satisfactory answer from the likes of NintendoFan, prepare to be disappointed.

[Flames of Disaster]

FoD can you post why you think Flames is scum please in a nicely laid out post.

Why are you asking a question you already know the answer to? All this does is reignite their flame war

You're town, guaranteed.

Nobody lynch this man.

[Flames of Disaster]

Didn't you ask me the exact same question a few weeks ago, Slandaar? I delivered. A whole glowing ultimate wall case. But what did

you

deliver? A lynch on town.

So, do you want me to repeat my answer to your repeated question, sir?

[Flames of Disaster]

Why Flames122 is scum.

1) He has contributed very little in the game, poor reads, poor contributions, poor quality of posts.

Here are examples of the kid being a little shit.

I am a Mafia Serial Cult Leader Killer Goon

No wonder you are so bad. According to your wiki, you have never played mafia before.


Unfortunately for you, I am specialized in eliminating scum. This is your first time. You are caught scum. Die in a fire.

Wow your specialty must not be in reading. Your wiki reading skills are amazing!

My speciality is in making scums like you look like stupid idiots. Then lynch them. I have succeeded in the first part.

dOES U KNO WAT A TROLL ES?

VOTE: flames682

I know I am already voting him but just to make this clear.

Wow I'm so threatened. I'm voting you because of your town meta and how the fuck you didn't see that is beyond me.

Also

VOTE: fLAMES OF dISASTER

If someone provides me with more examples of Saki town doing this I'll vote NF

2) Naturally, coincidentally, unsurprisingly, expectedly, Flames222 was very happy to hop onto the Saki wagon despite "Flames of Disaster is sooo super scum! 100%! @!$!@$"

(9) Saki: notscience, Bookitty, Team 9, Flames682, Slandaar, Min, OkaPoka, vezokpiraka, Not_Mafia (LYNCH)

Obviously, Flamescum was very excited to the town wagon. He was happy to vote town, voting me or voting Saki is okay, as long as it is on town.

Such a scummy behaviour can only come for scum.

AND I can still continue to re quote my old case.

Which was in hindsight, a waste of my time,

so I see no reason to prolong this further.


Hang Flames268.

[Flames of Disaster]

I'm not taking a look at his meta. You'd better pay for my hospital fees if I do.

[Flames of Disaster]

No, replacing me is a bad idea

[Flames of Disaster]

Let's just lynch Flames682

That would be most beneficial

[Flames of Disaster]

This is my favorite game ever.

[Flames of Disaster]

If we could all just lynch Flames682, I think we can have a happy ending.

[Flames of Disaster]

The Flames of Heaven thank you for your vote.

[Flames of Disaster]

Hammer.

VOTE: flames682

[Flames of Disaster]

Fuck. My record is ruined.

No more "100% never lynched town" again. Damn it.


Still better than you guys.

[Flames of Disaster]

VOTE: Min

I think he is the next scummiest atm.

[Flames of Disaster]

I'm Togami Byakuya. I'm overweight.

I apologise to anyone in advance.

[Flames of Disaster]

Flames should have been lynched for his lying just as by your logic, Saki was lynched for "lying".

Even though Saki was "obvtown" before he died, no?

[Flames of Disaster]

Note to self:

Bad

Town lie.

[Flames of Disaster]

I am the strongest scumhunter by far in the game. This is just factual as those who checked my meta would know

This is not true. I am the strongest scumhunter in the game. You are only second.

Anyway, we both are responsible for a mislynch once, in this game so far. So, even considering that, our score is even.

[Flames of Disaster]

However, I feel that Slandaar is town. On the contrary, I think Varsoon is scum! I'll explain why later.

[Flames of Disaster]

This is a main point in which I feel that Varsoon is scum.

"The words of the dead are important, by the way."

"That's that, but a (wo)man's dying words are important."

But....

Townreads:

Vezok, Team 9, SB, Marquis, Seohyun,

Slandaar

He gives nullreads a "free pass", for a dead player's townreads, but in the same vein calls Slandaar scum? (Also, took a dig at me, didn't rouse me much, bleh)

Spoiler: evidence

Since everyone obviously can see that Saki is going to be lynched, it might be a good idea for people to give their reads at this point in case they are targeted for the nightkill.

Townreads:

Vezok, Team 9, SB, Marquis, Seohyun, Slandaar

Nullreads:

notscience (lean town), Min, Not Mafia, Okapoka (lean town), NintendoFan (lean scum at this point)

Scumreads:

Yoloswag123, Flames682, Flames of Disaster

Yoloswag123 has moved to scum because of lurking/not posting. NintendoFan has moved to lean-scum because of his persistent lurking as well. Okapoka moved up to null lean town because he moved his vote when he didn't have to and wasn't under pressure just to help us get a lynch.

At this point, either I'm wrong and I'm going to live or I'm right and I'm going to die. It's not like being careful now will make that big a difference now

The words of the dead are important, by the way.

I'm willing to give Team 9 and SB a pass.
I believe one of Slandaar and Vezok are scum.
I believe Flames of Disaster could very well be scum.

That's that, but a (wo)man's dying words are important.

All the dead had me as town.

Varsoon scum.

Varsoon is cherry picking evidence that fits his view, and using them to support his preconceived view. This is NOT TOWNIE.

A town motivated player would examine all of the evidence, and make a impartial judgment of who is scum, based on the big picture.

Varsoon is not doing this. He is like a dirty lawyer. Bending the evidence to suit his theory, rather than the proper organic town method of moulding the theory to suit the evidence.

Varsoon is a dirty scum.

VOTE: Varsoon

[Flames of Disaster]

Slandaar has posted evidence of "Dead townies calling Slandaar town". A large amount of evidence supports this.

Spoiler: evidence

I won't quote Boo as it is quite clear she had me as town.

Slandaar's probably town too, as reluctant as I am to call him town

Slandaar is probably arrogant town,

Flames didn't have me as town well it's not proveable but he didn't have me as scum;

Oka better explain that hammer or else lynch him

Also FoD and Min

Where has Team 9 been?

The words of the dead are important, by the way.

Are they? you don't seem to be treating them as such except to give Team 9 and SB a pass for some reason?

"The words of the dead are important, by the way."

So, a majority of (town), dead players, agree and concur that Slandaar is town, or at least not a scumread.

How, then, did Varsoon arrive to the conclusion that Slandaar is scum? Did he blind himself to the reads of these dead townies? Did he completely abandon his statement/virtue of "The words of the dead are important, by the way."?

[Flames of Disaster]

I'm not done, by the way. One last wave, then I'll hand the ball back to you, Varsoon

Since Slandaar, a self-proclaimed "strongest scumhunter", seems to be having trouble constructing a reasonably powerful defense for himself, I, as reigning and title-usurping "strongest scumhunter", will volunteer to defend him.

Spoiler: original post

We're having a disconnect here, Slandaar.
I

already have

produced.
You're claiming that my statements are lies.
Why would I come into the thread fresh and lie about very basic facets of the game anyone can look at?
It doesn't make sense, Slandaar.
I've made my points. I've said my 'because of

A

, I posit

B

."
And now you're insisting it has no merit because I'm not directly quoting but only referencing the posts for

A

?
As it turns out,

A

is a resource everyone has.

A

is the thread itself.
Simply referencing the events and posts of the thread should be enough for anyone playing the game.

My points on you have to grow from something, Slandaar.
Do you think I'd just say you were scum for no reason?
I think that you and I both know my reasons for pushing you as scum lie in evidenced fact rather than the machinations of alignment.
Please, continue to insist that I'm just lying to make a push on you, despite that being a really stupid scum move.
Please, keep trying to make malleable the facts I've stacked against you. There's probably some way you can topple it back onto me. Bring your best scum game, Slandaar.
I want to enjoy this.

Spoiler:

I've made my points. I've said my 'because of A, I posit B."
And now you're insisting it has no merit because I'm not directly quoting but only referencing the posts for A?

I guess Slandaar was unable to effectively tackle the flaw in your case.

The

problem

with your case, Varsoon, is that, although arriving at the conclusion of B from A, is valid,

the presence of evidence C and D, directly contradict conclusion B,

and taking into account all of A, C, and D, B does not hold.

You completely do not see, or deliberately choose to ignore, C and D, in order to stubbornly remain on your conclusion B.

Where conclusion B results in a lynch of Slandaar.

It does not work that way, it just does not.



And with that, your case crumbles.


Your turn.

[Flames of Disaster]

You were just being dismissive of the parts that didn't work to your ends.

HY-PO-CRITE!

[Flames of Disaster]

Oh, by the way, did I mention that droog is insanely town? He's also funny.

I enjoy your presence in this game, droog. I appeal to scum not to kill this guy. He makes the game fun.

[Flames of Disaster]

Varsoon, did you just ADMIT to lying and misrepresenting Slandaar?

That was his ENTIRE case on you!

I understand perfectly.

YOU do not have a clue what you are saying.

"town people care about the alignment of the people they're lynching and scum players do not."

How does this generic statement apply to me?

The why.

The why is this:

UGH. NO. Saki is just being saki. Which is terrible, but not alignment indicative. I don't believe you don't know this.

I know saki plays like that and I have played roughly 4 games in the last 4 years. If you don't know and you've been on this site for any meaningful period of time, then you're blind.

I don't know Saki.

I told TSQ this, he doesn't care because he is scum.

And, you know, this might just be me, but when I'm attacking someone for meta stuff I... I don't know, ask people about their meta?

Meta stuff.

What is meta stuff about lying and nitpicking? these are not meta arguments. I am not going to meta someone when they have lied to me in the way Saki did.

That's TSQ's entire case debunked in seconds.

Now, why TSQ is scum: he didn't meta me while accusing me of not metaing Saki for NON META RELATED THINGS.

His entire argument about me relies on meta that I will continue to dismiss as nitpicking. It's stupid.

Have a nice day.

The bolded part was never a part of your post 1246!
You keep insisting that you're reading what I write but when I

literally

misrepresent what you said, you never noticed.
It's hilarious!

I mean you just validated everything I have been saying.

You were lying and misrepping me.

That was really dumb Varsoon.

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VOTE: Varsoon
VOTE: Varsoon
VOTE: Varsoon

[Flames of Disaster]

Flames,
Are you so dense that you think that I would admit to lying and misrepping Slandaar if I was scum pushing a case on him?
This is the second time you hopped in the thread to vote me without stopping to think for a long moment.

You got careless and carried away. Either that, or you have a bigger plan in mind.

No sensible

player

, regardless of alignment, makes huge cases and walls to push someone, only to reveal later that they have been misrepping and lying.

When it's the crux of Slandaar's case against you, specifically that you are misrepping and lying, well,

then its unforgivable.


VOTE: Varsoon

[Flames of Disaster]

I've taken a look at your predecessors, Varsoon. They play wasn't exactly stellar either. In fact, they're downright terrible. 3 in a row? What are the chances?

More likely, Occams Razor indicates that you're scum.

[Flames of Disaster]

The last couple of posts have been me giving you what you seem to want.
Like, do you seriously think that insisting I'm lying will result in me admitting I'm lying?
Everything I've referenced from the game is truthful, and every single player has the game to use as a resource to recognize that.

Here, I quoted it, so even Slandaar can't say that it didn't happen (like he usually does).

Yeah, after you made your mistake... yeah.

[Flames of Disaster]

Like, if you'd put that disclaimer BEFORE you "admitted" to misrepping him, I'd have nothing to say.

But, tripping on the stage, and saying later that it was part of the act... do forgive me if I don't believe you.

[Flames of Disaster]

Slandaar, if you say that I am not town one more time, I will quote my role PM in thread.
I'm not lying.
That would be really disastrous for town.
It'd be against town's wincon.
So if you say that I am not town, you will literally be working against town's wincon, which is a bannable offense.

Also, lol.


Slandaar already went "all-in", in your faux 1v1. Unfortunately, Varsoon decides to fold and go "Oh, yeah, I'm just having fun, this game is all for fun yo~"

Can't take the pressure? Can't take the heat?

Then you belong in the graveyard.

[Flames of Disaster]

reaction test.

Classic. I have nothing to add.

Varsoon is backing out. He knows that if he goes through with a Slandaar lynch, his whole plan and/or teammates will be implicated.



Either that, or he wasn't expecting me to jump in as an "unexpected circumstance" to mess his whole plan up: a Slandaar lynch today. The way I see it, Varsoon cannot afford to get lynched before Slandaar. Something about the timings.

[Flames of Disaster]

Like, if you'd put that disclaimer BEFORE you "admitted" to misrepping him, I'd have nothing to say.

But, tripping on the stage, and saying later that it was part of the act... do forgive me if I don't believe you.

Except that I did but that disclaimer both before and after and throughout.
Why do you think I kept referring to it as a joke?

Think for one moment:
Would Scum-Varsoon 'slip' in his performance?
Or would Town-Varsoon make a joke like that?


There's only one right answer, and one answer that shows that you're a terrible judge of character and/or scum.

Was your "1v1" against him a joke as well? You whole push? All your cases and walls?


You're intentionally discrediting yourself. I have no idea what motivation you have for this.

[Flames of Disaster]

Just like that [REDACTED] who was threatening to jump off the building.

Attention seeker.

[Flames of Disaster]

And then she couldn't bear to do it. Nope. All a big show.

[Flames of Disaster]

I just thought about what I said. That was messed up. My apologies.

[Flames of Disaster]

He's made fun of me a lot.
He's a jerk.
He's scum.
I have a cop-guilty on him that confirms it.

Still a joke.

[Flames of Disaster]

I'm not scum, lol.

[Flames of Disaster]

This is awkward.

How about Varsoon has to wear Slandaar's avatar for a week if Slandaar flips town? Seems fair.

[Flames of Disaster]

Let's see what Slandaar has to say about this offer, then we decide how this game goes from there.

[Flames of Disaster]

Make Varsoon agree to wear your avatar with the cat?

[Flames of Disaster]

Varsoon is obviously joking about the cop guilty. He jumps ship and votes me. Like, the *real* best scumhunter in the game.

But put your vote back onto Varsoon. We can still do this.

[Flames of Disaster]

Put your vote back onto Varsoon.

[Flames of Disaster]

He has consequences, regardless of his alignment.

If he's scum, all's well and good.

If he's town, he wears your avatar with a cathat.

This can't go wrong.

[Flames of Disaster]

I don't like how FoD is trying to get Slandaar back on my wagon.
It reeks.
I think FoD needs to go.

A perfectly valid conclusion.

For a scum-motivated player, that is.

[Flames of Disaster]

You'd rather he self vote? Yup.

[Flames of Disaster]

Slandaar is scum and I have a guilty on him. I keep him around because through PoE I can get lynches on his buddies and lynch him any time.
Slandaar is town and I have a fake-guilty on him. I don't lynch him and instead look for scum with his help. When we get the flip of a role that messes with investigates, I'll feel more confident in town-reading him.

It's already been established that your "guilty" is a gambit/joke/lie.

Why? Cause you replaced in today. Your predecessors were the only ones who could have sent in night actions. None of them yelled "Guilty on Slandaar" in big bold font at any point in time.


Cut the crap.

[Flames of Disaster]

Basically, if no manipulative roles show up by LYLO, we turbo-lynch Slandaar.
Easy peasy.

Easy peasy, indeed.

Darn it Varsoon, you are one smooth operator.

[Flames of Disaster]

Cops immediately claim their investigates.

[Flames of Disaster]

You've caught scum-me before. You should know better; I'm terrible as scum. I got lynched immediately when I replaced in.

Not here. This time, it's scum

-you

.

It's a great time to return the favor.

[Flames of Disaster]

And since we're on THAT topic,

VOTE: Flames of Disaster

I've got a feeling,
Keeps me on my toes.

What did you do to Blonde Doctor last night?
Does it factor into the reason why we've only got one death?

I mean, I visited Blonde Doctor.
Youuuu visited Blonde Doctor.
Blonde Doctor is vooooting you.
I just wonder sometimes.
I wonder sometimes.

You voted scum-me with your (real) guilty right out of the gate. You laid all your chips on the table.

Not here, you had to resort to misrepping, lies, nonsense, walls, to get your so called alleged "guilty".

Bullshit.

You're scum trying to take down as many mislynches before you fall.

I don't think you plan to fall.

If not for me.

[Flames of Disaster]

You want to 1v1 me now? You want to take me on?

Slandaar might not have been about to take you. He might had crumbled and fell, and surrendered with his self vote.


Not me. I'll be your match.

[Flames of Disaster]

Hmm, that's fine.

We don't have to brawl after all.

[Flames of Disaster]

The day is polarized.

Slandaar or you.

I prefer to lynch you.

[Flames of Disaster]

VOTE: Varsoon

[Flames of Disaster]

Weird hypothetical place where we're all town:
Who is scum?

Oh, fuck.

Never thought about that.

Min and Okapooka, probably?

[Flames of Disaster]

Really Varsoon, don't know which mislynch to push?

Me or Slandaar? Stick with it.


Oh, plus, plus, "weird hypothetical place where we're all town"

You still have to wear Slandaar's avatar with the cat hat.





PS: I find it distressing that Slandaar is completely ignoring this offer of ours. It's like, it seems that I'm more eager to exact punishment on Varsoon and Slandaar is. Like, I'm more sadistic or something. I'm afraid something's wrong with me.

[Flames of Disaster]

<3

[Flames of Disaster]

Slandaar apparently does not feel pleasure when you change your avatar to his and put on a cathat.

Either that or he's scum who won't win the gamble

:/

[Flames of Disaster]

Min's ISO and contributions are garbage.

Unfortunately, I realised that in this game, that isn't so scummy after all.

[Flames of Disaster]

Yeah this town doesn't want to win.

Min and seo. Why are you voting FoD?
Beeboy: Why the fuck did you vote FoD and not comment on anything going on.

Oh sorry I think I'm fucking the wrong person
UNVOTE:
VOTE: vezokpiraka

I mean, besides when he was fucking you on accident?
:3

I'M NOT INTERESTED IN GUYS!!!!!!!!


Besides, I thought that Min was a girl. That kind of turned me on. A bit.

[Flames of Disaster]

:/

A blacklist doesn't make anyone happy

[Flames of Disaster]

This game has turned from fun to sad

[Flames of Disaster]

He won't wear it

[Flames of Disaster]

Sure, but I didn't lose something, so why would I wear it?

Would you want to wear it?

[Flames of Disaster]

Artificial fun.

[Flames of Disaster]

(No)

[Flames of Disaster]

Oka you are dumb. I explained my reasons 5000 times to Slandaar.

If anyone is scum, it's more probably you.

[Flames of Disaster]

Okapoka, you really are testing my patience. Fortunately, your chicken avatar is kind of goofy, so I can't get mad with you.

Link it to me

Enjoy the walls, then.

Sigh. Okay, look. It doesn't matter what he did or did not mention, or what he missed. It matters that he did make it up. I do not like your line of inquiry.

You need a reason to disbelieve them. Your reason is he didn't play with you before but I say well he found the games so it is not unreasonable to assume he did in fact look at them. Take for example SDR1 he only needed look at page 1 to see the difference and he DID look at page one to find out your alignment in the game, did he scroll down a little? yes I am going to believe he did.

I'm not going to make a full-on long explanation just because a newbie scum "troll" egosearched me and linked some of my past games and said, "Oh, you aren't following your town meta, you are scummy".

He obviously made that read up, and it's basic commonsense. Anyone can see that.

Here are the facts: If you truly are convinced of his guilt for this then providing said long explanation is beneficial for you in multiple ways. Otherwise do not expect someone you are convinced is scum to be lynched on 'basic common sense' it is your choice.

Firstly, he only mentioned that "you are not following your town meta". So, in what way am I "not following my town meta"? Any details? Any specific thing that he wants to point out? "You are less active". Even a three year old kid can come up with that. If he did look through my past games legitimately, he would have more substantive things to say about my "meta", rather than "oh, you look scummy".

Secondly, isn't it convenient that

During the first Dangan Ronpa game, Flames of Disaster and I went at each other tooth and nail and fought it out throughout the initial stages of the game. To be fair, it was just as much my fault as his, but we were both town.

That's my only experience in playing with him, so I'm not sure how helpful it is. I do think he was a lot more active and aggressive in that game, though.

oh also

I've played with town FoD before (I was scum) and he definitely wasn't lurkfucking like he is here. in that game he had a shitton of activity right out the gate and you could tell he was trying to make things happen in the game.

-Rumia

Two other more legitimate-looking townie-looking players gave the same read and reason "Flames is not playing to <past versions on how I remember him like>." Isn't it a coincidence that Flames123 came up with the same idea long afterwards? I'm sure he would have went to link my past games and say that "I wasn't following town meta" if Team 9 and Bookitty didn't say it first, wouldn't he?

Thirdly, if he did look at my past games legitimately, there are very striking things that he would have exclaimed. Firstly, I am

always right

always on the right wagon. In my past games, 100% of the time, I was on a scum lynch, and never mislynched a townie before. Secondly, I am an alt. Nope, Flames999 wouldn't have noticed that while he read my past games, not at all. Even though I mentioned it like maybe 5 billion and one times, I have to check.

Last but not least, his past games and even his current play in this game reveal that he is terrible and probably lacks the intelligence to metadive in a competent fashion; maybe he will even fail to read so many meta games at once. Do you seriously think someone like that can have the mojo to read /anyone/'s past games? I know many stronger players that can't.





So, are you going to help me lynch this scumbutt right now, or are you going to continue to be a thorn in the side?

Why Flames122 is scum.

1) He has contributed very little in the game, poor reads, poor contributions, poor quality of posts.

Here are examples of the kid being a little shit.

I am a Mafia Serial Cult Leader Killer Goon

No wonder you are so bad. According to your wiki, you have never played mafia before.


Unfortunately for you, I am specialized in eliminating scum. This is your first time. You are caught scum. Die in a fire.

Wow your specialty must not be in reading. Your wiki reading skills are amazing!

My speciality is in making scums like you look like stupid idiots. Then lynch them. I have succeeded in the first part.

dOES U KNO WAT A TROLL ES?

VOTE: flames682

I know I am already voting him but just to make this clear.

Wow I'm so threatened. I'm voting you because of your town meta and how the fuck you didn't see that is beyond me.

Also

VOTE: fLAMES OF dISASTER

If someone provides me with more examples of Saki town doing this I'll vote NF

2) Naturally, coincidentally, unsurprisingly, expectedly, Flames222 was very happy to hop onto the Saki wagon despite "Flames of Disaster is sooo super scum! 100%! @!$!@$"

(9) Saki: notscience, Bookitty, Team 9, Flames682, Slandaar, Min, OkaPoka, vezokpiraka, Not_Mafia (LYNCH)

Obviously, Flamescum was very excited to the town wagon. He was happy to vote town, voting me or voting Saki is okay, as long as it is on town.

Such a scummy behaviour can only come for scum.

AND I can still continue to re quote my old case.

Which was in hindsight, a waste of my time,

so I see no reason to prolong this further.


Hang Flames268.

[Flames of Disaster]

Let me try an OkaPoka special:


'One of the two Flames must be scum. It is certainly not Flames of Disaster.'

Let's try my special. Flames101 is town so fod is scum!

But my special said: "It is certainly not Flames of Disaster".

So, the mod must have misflipped Flames101 role PM.


Regardless, he was a hindrance to the game anyway. It made more sense to lynch him over Saki.

But now, the real scum, is Varsoon. We should lynch him for scum-motivated manipulation.

[Flames of Disaster]

When did your townread on me,

become a scumread on me?


Is it because of Okapooka's yelling? Because nobody has made any case on me.

[Flames of Disaster]

Min is understandable cause I voted her earlier, heh

[Flames of Disaster]

VOTE: varsoon

[Flames of Disaster]

Slandaar was obvtown and those of you on the wagon were terrible.

In the same vein, Varsoon is obvscum and we LYNCH HIM. TODAY.

[Flames of Disaster]

I mean, TWO OF THE "BEST SCUMHUNTERS" IN THE GAME AGREE ON THE SAME FUCKING THING

YOU'D THINK THE TOWN WOULD HAVE A BRAIN

[Flames of Disaster]

HINT: ONE OF THEM IS CONFTOWN

THAT'S ENOUGH REASON

AND YOU CAN TRUST THAT I'M TOWN TOO

FUCKING

LYNCH



Oh, I am so upset.

[Flames of Disaster]

Take those pants off your head and vote obvscum Varsoon.

Serious-fucking-ly, Slandaar already flipped town.

[Flames of Disaster]

Like, this "case",

you can take up and tear it up and throw it in the trash bin.

Cause it's all bullshit.

Re-quoting my cases on pagetop just in case Oka misses it or somethin'.
If you've already read my cases, feel free to skim this. I don't mean to clutter the thread, I'm just trying to push for clarity.

Varsoon give me a tldr case on slandaar. You have 25 words.

Slandaar you too.

tldr case (22 words):
Every dead townie has suspected Slandaar.
Slandaar lied about his Nintendo push.
Slandaar takes my posts out of context to trick you.




I'm totally cool with an FoD lynch, too, btw.

The actual long case, if you're interested (402 words):

MY CASE ON SLANDAAR:

He buddied Bookitty across D1 and killed Bookitty N1, then banked on Bookitty's biased townread to get him out of trouble.
He relied on Bookitty and other dead townie's town-reads of him as a defense and even admitted he was 'saving it for a rainy day'.
He completely ignores the fact that every dead townie has suspected him.
He's admitted to buddying Bookitty.
He's got scummy rhetoric--uses phrases like 'no one suspects me'.
He has cheated and used a trust tell--which he will insist makes him town, despite trust tells being able to be used as town or scum.
He thinks it's okay that literally every dead town suspected him of being scum because they town-read him begrudgingly, eventually.
He forgot about his own Nintendo case and then lied about it to try to get me lynched.
His interaction with Team9 early-game is really suspicious to me (the whole confirming thing).
He tried to write me off initially with a misrepresentation and lie about me trying to sound intelligent.
His pushing on Nintendo is incredibly opportunistic and even relies on convincing players to mindlessly lynch with a good dose of telling them they shouldn't try to put effort their D1 game.
He pushed Saki, who turned out to be town. His push on Saki is flimsy and mostly takes the logic of 'you are lying, you are scum,' which isn't even true because Saki was not lying.
He pushed me, and I am town.
He has misrepresented and taken out of context several of the points I've made against him and lots of that I've said in this game.
The basis of every point he has made against me relies on taking my posts out of context--he assumes that the playerbase won't actually read the game. He thinks you're too stupid to realize he's lying to you.
He's tried to shift discussion away from the case I've built on him into pedantic asking for quotes for everything, even when I provided quotes.
When quotes -were- provided, he handwaved them and had defenses such as 'I forgot that' and 'it was not a big deal'.
He dismissed any push he didn't agree with on D1 as 'nitpicking'.
He writes off other player's contributions as jokes, trolling, etc.
He seemingly forgot his hard push onto Flames of Disaster and now he's buddied up with FoD on an awkward OMGUS push onto me.
He's made fun of me a lot and called me a retard and an idiot.
He's a jerk.
He's scum.

[Flames of Disaster]

Did you see the environmental damage that he did to the game in pages 71-72?


Scum motivated.

Of course, this game is all in the interest of fun, but it won't be so fun for us if we lose and he endgames us as scum...

[Flames of Disaster]

Definitely it'll be more fun for him;

He's enjoying / enjoyed the mislynch

[Flames of Disaster]

In other news, where in hell did vezokpiraka go?

He was pushing Slandaar for the entirety of the game, even before Varsoon, but then disappears and lets Varsoon do the dirty work?

If Varsoon isn't scum, its vezok. Seriously.

[Flames of Disaster]

In my whole time of playing mafia, I have only mislynched 2 times, once is Flames, and once is vezok in SDR1.

I have participated in more than 7 games. Already more than some of you (Okapooka).

You all should listen to me. Only scum would resist sheeping me.

[Flames of Disaster]

If you think rsq is scum, why did you protect him?

[Flames of Disaster]

No, we lynch Varsoon. Shift your vote.

[Flames of Disaster]

You're not wearing the cathat cause you're scum.

Flip scum.

[Flames of Disaster]

I'm town, though.
I'm still pretty sure Flames is scum.
Sorry Slandaar ended up being town?
Dude was playing mad scummy.
I think no-lynches are wasteful.

VOTE: Flames of Disaster

That's the best you can do?
Caught scum, flip scum.

Fake-guiltying a town... Grounds for a policy lynch.

If you did that as town, you face a minimal avatar change up to a maximum blacklist.

[Flames of Disaster]

Town would be remorseful. And wear the cathat. (Or is it supposed to be after the game, don't know)


You're not.

You're scum.

[Flames of Disaster]

I'm at a loss of words. How the fuck did slandaar flip town. Seriously now.

Slandaar flipped town because he played scummy as hell despite a town role PM.
I'm not that bent up over it.
Maybe Slandaar will learn that you shouldn't forget your cases then lie about ever making them in order to leverage lynches?
If town mislynches me over it, it sucks, but at least we can throttle to game-end and the town of this game can maybe learn from it.


I think that a town win is still possible, but too many town are contributing too little.

Town's wound. Varsoon's salt. Rub.

[Flames of Disaster]

Continue calling me scum because it is the only possible play for you at this point.

[Flames of Disaster]

Lynch Varsoon because he is scum.

That is all.

He was lying to get Slandaar town lynched. His predecessors were very scummy. There is no doubt in this case.

[Flames of Disaster]

Yay. Perfect Win.

[Flames of Disaster]

Varsoon, I rigged the challenge. I knew Slandaar was town, so I wanted you to wear a cathat avatar, hah!

I am impressed by my good scumteam. Pulling off a 3man insta hammer cannot be done with incoherent timezones or bad teams. We were lucky that Aleumdaum and TSQ replaced in.

[Flames of Disaster]

Yup. The bet is voided because it was rigged

I guess I enjoyed the game more than you guys did, oops :p

[Flames of Disaster]

Slandaar... I used you... it's all part of the game.

[Flames of Disaster]

Yup. Justice served. I enjoyed playing with you... again

[Flames of Disaster]

Cut Slandaar some slack. I think he was wholly responsible for Saki mislynch, but Varsoon vs Slandaar was a 2 way thing which I fanned the flames. Plus, Vezok's tunnel on Slandaar was pretty bad as well so it's really the whole town's fault for being bad.., Slandaar was just the scapegoat, please don't get mad out of game, it's all just a game :/

[Flames of Disaster]

[Flames of Disaster]

I like Slandaar and I like Varsoon. Can we all be friends? My kuriboner is going soft from all the heated arguments here