In post 689, Nachomamma8 wrote:First of all, with regards to Aronis, I've played with him a few times and I've never found him to be a player that seems extremely driven or classically protown. So points of "he hasn't done anything townie" or "he hasn't explained his reasoning" are generally horrible and I honestly don't care for them even a little bit. I see Aronis taking a the strong Salamence position and then completely backing down even while assuming he was still scum (otherwise the "looking at elyse/xay has shown me xay is scummy" doesn't really make sense.
it's more of the "elyse just got shot and my read on her is town watch her flip and watch me be right so i'm town" sort of thing, which i thought was established already?
I'll be on a plane soon, so going to go ahead and vote now.
I skimmed Aronis and I guess he unvoted Salamance for a bit, so maybe that was him thinking people bought it. I don't really have time to review the chronology.
Nacho's read history today is kinda unnatural so I could see him being scum I guess, but I just don't feel that attached to lynching him after D1. It's unnecessarily conspiracy-oriented thinking at this piont imo, even if it ends up being valid.
Nacho and Dry-fit both have a higher chance to flip scum IMO, but certainly not a terrible lynch.
[i]Mgm laughed nervously, his cheeks flushing in the faintest of blushes. "Patrick... I only wanted to be with you... that's why I put the game to night, so Glork would get killed."[/i] - the heartwarming conclusion of Face to Face Mafia
In post 684, CrashTextDummie wrote:Process of elimination leaves Aronis, Nacho, Dry-Fit, Xayzeck as scum candidates. Xay hasn't done anything significantly scummy to my knowledge. Dry-Fit and Aronis I don't think are scum together. I'm pretty sure that makes Nacho the best lynch.
You do realize that process of elimination trends are what is wrong with mafia games here? Like there has been such a decline in town performance because of this, and it fails more than it wins.
"A train robbery is where you take a train to your destination, make your move, and take a train back, right?"-Isaac
I watch that show Utopia on Fox (thanks only to the power of the DVR), and of them all, I think Amanda the pregnant chick does the least to help out. Or, if she does stuff, it's not shown very often. I get she's a behavioral specialist and all, but in terms of getting stuff done, she is one I would want to see voted off. Anyways, today I looked at the website, and found out she is also an Aquarius!
Only tangentially related to the game, but in person I think I always get along with other Aquarii (or do they get along withe me?), but aside from having Utopia's first baby, I'm not impressed with the Aquarius in the group (not sure if there are others- just checked my least and most favs)
In post 684, CrashTextDummie wrote:Process of elimination leaves Aronis, Nacho, Dry-Fit, Xayzeck as scum candidates. Xay hasn't done anything significantly scummy to my knowledge. Dry-Fit and Aronis I don't think are scum together. I'm pretty sure that makes Nacho the best lynch.
You do realize that process of elimination trends are what is wrong with mafia games here? Like there has been such a decline in town performance because of this, and it fails more than it wins.
No, I did not realize that. I readily believe that games are being lost because people overvalue their town reads and misapply them in the process, but there is nothing fundamentally wrong with PoE. I personally tend to be cautious in handing out town reads and very rarely am completely fooled by scum. I feel that in after the D1 deadline shenanigans, PoE is warranted. And unless I see a compelling reason why I shouldn't be town reading Pere and Iecerint (and you), I'm not going to change my approach.
In post 711, ToastyToast wrote:I still don't understand why you think this...Is Dry-fit based solely on the consistency of his stance on salamance/elyse?
I've discussed this pretty extensively. I think his push against Salamance was a bus. To my mind, he has not been able to demonstrate a cohesive town mindset behind half the arguments he made (and arguably his strongest argument in hindsight, Salamance's early game fixation on theory, was severely undermined by his reaction to the shot and claim). I believe his behavior at deadline was scum motivated and his defense stands in direct contradiction to what he said at the time. He hasn't done anything distinctly pro-town and there's just not that many plausible scenarios in which he's town.
Do you have an active town read on him? Why?
I am more willing to consider Xayceck than I was yesterday given the SC kill. I still think Nacho/Dry-fit are more likely to yield scum.
[i]Mgm laughed nervously, his cheeks flushing in the faintest of blushes. "Patrick... I only wanted to be with you... that's why I put the game to night, so Glork would get killed."[/i] - the heartwarming conclusion of Face to Face Mafia
Salamance's push against him doesn't feel like a bus. More to the point, PV's reaction to Salamance's push against him doesn't feel like scum being bussed. I've also masoned with PV recently and I feel I have a pretty good grasp on how he thinks as town, and I think I see a lot of it in this game. He is not as strong a town read as SC was (mostly because I don't remember how he plays as scum), but it's strong enough.
[i]Mgm laughed nervously, his cheeks flushing in the faintest of blushes. "Patrick... I only wanted to be with you... that's why I put the game to night, so Glork would get killed."[/i] - the heartwarming conclusion of Face to Face Mafia
I've seen town Nacho fight like a maniac to avoid what he thought was a town lynch in more than one game. It involved a lot of screaming, pushing and browbeating. Here he didn't even bother to present a viable alternative wagon. I understand time constrains and being disenfranchised from a game, but it's not like he wasn't around at the critical time. I find it incredibly unlikely that town Nacho would post the town case he posted for Aronis and then just leave it at that so close to deadline.
I have other reasons to vote him over Dry-fit, but it requires some rereading and I don't have the time right now.
[i]Mgm laughed nervously, his cheeks flushing in the faintest of blushes. "Patrick... I only wanted to be with you... that's why I put the game to night, so Glork would get killed."[/i] - the heartwarming conclusion of Face to Face Mafia
PeregrineV - 
CrashTextDummie - 
Dry-fit)
Xayzeck - 
ToastyToast)
Iecerint - 
Nachomamma8
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