Touhou: MitLoF ~ Makai Mix (Game Over)

[ActionDan]

Um Jingle I'm assuming this means they are some sort of innoecent child maybe?

Shinki is the creator of Makai by official touhou canon fyi. This game is the Makai mix.

you do know this post looks like rolefishing yeah?

vote stands

I don't really think rolefishing what he presumed would probably be an innocent child role counts as rolefishing for POWERFUL TOWN ROLES.

Taste the rainbow.

VOTE: Kagami

Because I'm a sore loser.

[ActionDan]

i highly doubt flavour and alignment are connected in this game because that would give some people a massive advantage

they weren't last game so I also doubt that'd be the case this game.

[ActionDan]

I ain't even mad NS but you're being a dumb.

[ActionDan]

Do I really want to find out?

[ActionDan]

I could believe Mollie to be scum based on the rather huge overreaction to that one rather neutral sounding innocuous post I made. I'll have to read the rest of the thread in some more detail but I like beeboy and curiousity and beast and om at a glance.

[ActionDan]

one of these posts on this page makes me laugh.

for posterity

[ActionDan]

l m a o.

Not everybody has the hubris that like 50% of posters in this game seem to possess. If a guy thinks it's unwise to determine scum-scum interactions without one of the two flipping scum, it has nothing to do with an individual read on any one of them.

[ActionDan]

l m a o.

Not everybody has the hubris that like 50% of posters in this game seem to possess. If a guy thinks it's unwise to determine scum-scum interactions without one of the two flipping scum, it has nothing to do with an individual read on any one of them.

speak english

I'm really not sure what you failed to comprehend in this perfectly constructed sentence.

pedit: I'll vote when I'm good and ready. Though if you're annoyed that that sentence applies to you maybe you should attempt to adopt a play style change.

[ActionDan]

l m a o.

Not everybody has the hubris that like 50% of posters in this game seem to possess. If a guy thinks it's unwise to determine scum-scum interactions without one of the two flipping scum, it has nothing to do with an individual read on any one of them.

speak english

I'm really not sure what you failed to comprehend in this perfectly constructed sentence.

pedit: I'll vote when I'm good and ready. Though if you're annoyed that that sentence applies to you maybe you should attempt to adopt a play style change.

was it in reference to me? cos I didn't really get that but points scored. \o/

I can't even remember the last time you were town.

The post was I made was in response to Dreams not to you, clearly. But yes I do think you've got hubris which causes you to say such declarative statements such as "I can't even remember the last time you were town" for example.

[ActionDan]

Is weird a synonym for scummy?

I feel obligated to remark that another post in the last page strikes my fancy.

for posterity.

[ActionDan]

Does seriously no one see anything wrong with that?
PEd: really, well i may be running on bias here, but having a hidden double vote, can easily lead to a hammer at L-1 before town realizes something's up, so I've never seen a hidden double vote as town motivated.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=46298

Bam. Where is Nacho to tell you these things.

[ActionDan]

This doesn't change the fact that Beeboy is right throughout this conversation. It's asking for information about role in the context of figuring out why you aren't voting him when you didn't provide any reasons not to do so. I don't agree that it's scum motivated like Beeboy does, but it doesn't hurt to answer his question as honestly as possible to quell his fears.

[ActionDan]

Sorry I switched talking from you to Dreams in my mind without that being clear. 2nd sentence explicitly for Dreams

[ActionDan]

[ActionDan]

Dan is just basically

refusing

to be very contributive at this point and I've played with Dan in the past and he can do more so I'm not feeling super great about him, also gut feels back this up a little.

It's true I probably can do more. But I'll note that I'm actually doing more in this game (as surprising as that might be) than in other recent games I've played in. Also "refusing" seems a bit of a stretch :C

[ActionDan]

hey dan do you still think kagami is scum

I never did. It's an RVS vote.

[ActionDan]

(also don't particularly think she's scum now)

[ActionDan]

then why is it still there dan, who do you actually think is scum right now?

I think it's fine for tallies and possibly future VCAs.

As far as scum reads go I don't have them really, except mollie, but that could be bias because I very much dislike volatile people . I expect I might find some if I were to read Haj and people surrounding him though. I'll go about that sometime

[ActionDan]

UNVOTE: Kagami

Because really now?

[ActionDan]

She had around 10 posts none of which looked scummy and around 6 people wagonned her for reasons I don't see listed, nevermind existing.

[ActionDan]

I'd wink back at your ever so sly insinuation but it's vile.

[ActionDan]

Can someone link me a sufficient case/reason one or more kagami wagoners are citing in their crusade against her. Make sure its the best out there. Id like to see precisely where the hype comes from.

Pedit. I have to admit purple asking for the same is both unexpected and welcome.

[ActionDan]

Beast charizard. He votes me. He votes me not. He votes me. He votes me not.

[ActionDan]

Apathy can be a tell depending on the player. I dont see how this applies to kagami who isnt apathetic as either alignment and isnt showing any signs of apathy here

[ActionDan]

That was sudos. My avatar now is both elegant and projects power.

[ActionDan]

Also take note of whos activity increased when kagami wagon started if kagami flips scum we found relations. Also see who has stopped as scum would see kagami hopless at this moment in time.

ok beeboy lets be friends




AD is active but useless. very useless

Help me. Help you.

You want to be friends with BeeBoy. It comes with a price tag.

[ActionDan]

So kagami played football.

Not science do you see a case somewhere? Plz send help

[ActionDan]

Kagami you can blow me. I wont mind

[ActionDan]

Btw that team is a no go.

[ActionDan]

At least half

[ActionDan]

On this page, I spy with my little eye, a soft-guilty.

[ActionDan]

Clever haj

[ActionDan]

Hmm wisdom what do you think of purple heros reads atm. You two seem to have a dialouge yet youre both somewhat out of sync

[ActionDan]

VOTE: pieguy

Guilty

I am not a cop. Pseudo guilty

Suspect he is 3rd party.

Today is a good day to be town

[ActionDan]

Anyway it's going to be a good day between this and w.e haj has got up his sleeve.

[ActionDan]

I'm glad this isn't some shit-tier fake guilty gambit play. that's always an annoyance with you people.

Now I await Pie's

full

claim or else him calling you a sack of shit.

[ActionDan]

bb plz

[ActionDan]

I got a townread on beeboy early but it wasnt until we both started getting pressure did I propose to gambit with obvious but not fully stated mason claim. As a participant in the last gif game I think that scum me not thinking that there'd be masons a 2nd time around is a flagrant underestimation of either my foresight or memory. 2ndly I never voted you and if you are upset i asked for your fullclaim its because ddoa claimed specificly and did not merely hint at it.

[ActionDan]

Your mind is a schism isnt it?

[ActionDan]

Free and easy posting both in qt plus in thread with the addition of an undercurrent of vulnerability and undrtconfidence in qt

[ActionDan]

Typical excuses scum neighbors give. Thanks, more confident now.

~Wis

Legit reasons are somehow not legit if they are easy to find?

I didnt care if there were masons. What's the point?

[ActionDan]

so I don't get why you're trying to claim you would foresee this happening as scum as a defense

because your post seemed to be solely implying that my scum motivation for gambiting with beeboy claiming masons was that I thought there wouldn't be actual masons to CC.

@Alch I don't see how gambitting masons as neighbors hurts town. scum kill a neighbor thinking it's a neighbor is cool because that suggests the other neighbor is town. downside is... being directly CC'd by actual masons but that's a shitty play by them if they do.

[ActionDan]

http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/ebuUJMuvTnM

last one I could remember

[ActionDan]

@Alch I don't see how gambitting masons as neighbors hurts town. scum kill a neighbor thinking it's a neighbor is cool because that suggests the other neighbor is town. downside is... being directly CC'd by actual masons but that's a shitty play by them if they do.

very simple. lets say you are scum with a fake neighbor mason gambit.

no scum with a brain will kill beeboy.

you cant kill youself


you can coast forever on "mason" claim. but you got busted.

The supposition was why would [town] do it.

@Mono I was town in that example. I've never been a scum neighbor to my knowledge

[ActionDan]

I just gave a reason.

[ActionDan]

It would hurt town if both neighbors were town neighbor flipped a non-mason role. Then it casts serious suspicion on the other neighbor that he is a mafia aligned neighbor.

Actually the opposite would be true since scum killed claimed masons. It would mean most likely scum thought they were town masons and wanted to kill off confirmed town... which means the likelihood of the other neighbor being town increases.

[ActionDan]

not for nothing but in NPIAU's lists if he thinks beeboy is scum it'd be natural to put me as town.

The efficacy of the other positions including beeboy's can be questioned.

I'm thirsty and wondering at whawt time Haj comes back for super fun happy times.

[ActionDan]

^I'd recommend posting a la Inuyashu so a better read can be obtained.

[ActionDan]

I'll have you know that we both agreed on it.

[ActionDan]

That game was infinitely more readable and easy to follow, since the main things that were preventing people from being able to read anything were shitfest 1v1 arguments and wallposting. Getting a grasp on the game based on what was going on at the time was easy and a very significant amount of his contributions were based on that. It's a lot harder to do that here when we have a lot of instant messaging conversations in forum form, so having less concrete stances and more just responding to whatever's trending at that exact moment is more plausible.

this would be fine if anything he contributed actually added anything to the game whatsoever.

look at what he did this game day:

-calling attention to haj having a soft guilty
-2563. I don't even know how what he's asking about would tell him anything about the alignments of either player
-more calling attention to haj having a soft guilty
-asking me for a full claim
-2966 defending NPIAU
-wondering when haj gets back

with all of his posts, I find myself asking what he's trying to actually get done and accomplish in this game, and I come up with fuck all. the dynamic of the game does not change the fact that you should be expected to do things that actually accomplish shit.

Doing fuck all in games is what gets me hard.

About Haj having a soft guilty. That was some soft guiltlying if I've ever seen it, and I'd like to pay more attention to it but Haj is being obstinate it seems. It would be nice if he were to actually come out and say something about that one way or other.

I'm not satisfied with the Om wagon. I'd rather vote something like Alchemist over it... or Mollie.

[ActionDan]

btw railgun is shit. Don't watch it.

[ActionDan]

Doing fuck all in games is what gets me hard.

About Haj having a soft guilty. That was some soft guiltlying if I've ever seen it, and I'd like to pay more attention to it but Haj is being obstinate it seems. It would be nice if he were to actually come out and say something about that one way or other.

I'm not satisfied with the Om wagon. I'd rather vote something like Alchemist over it... or Mollie.

why do you wanna lynch me danny? so far all you have had to say is that you find me abrasive when I was much worse in pikman but have been trying to do better and you are not even trying to sort me out much less ask the background story of why I was upset.

why aren't you trying to figure things out?

Well the feeling I got early D1 hasn't washed away. And it wasn't just because you were abrasive, you jumped on something objectively minor and blew it up and proceeded to mostly clench down on your read until things like kagami came up from which I don't particularly remember much in the way of reasoning instead of trite posts like "let's lynch scumgami" per say.

And yes you are leagues better here than pikman mafia. and have been getter better here keeping emotions in check in this game as time goes on.

[ActionDan]

I expect 2-3. If you look at last GIF game, town was stacked.

[ActionDan]

Honestly this was a long time coming.

[ActionDan]

haj's original post was actually how I'd expect a cop with a guilty to try to get his lynch without outing. Also, does haj not read as frustrated in the last few posts?

I think he is. This is how my hydra played it in Gay mafia 2 before outright claiming a guilty. Either you believe Haj's posts were fake for all of today. OR it's a slow guilty reveal.

[ActionDan]

Not at all

~Wis

Not everyone is DDOA.

[ActionDan]

If haj is town, he will stop the charade at some point

[ActionDan]

VOTE: jakuzure

Im willing to go for it

[ActionDan]

I fear your fear has led to hate. And hate leads to suffering

[ActionDan]

Me and beeps are also demonic too.

[ActionDan]

There is a subtle difference but essentially yes.

[ActionDan]

The difference is that hubris refers to a persons overconfidence and pride where as arrogance carries a negative feeling of thinking you are better or more correct than someone else

[ActionDan]

I don't think they intentionally killed Jingle. That would be crazy. Prolly he was made to bodyguard the target

~Wis

In this scenario what alignment to you think the person directing her was?

[ActionDan]

Also I'd guess that UNZAN is scum

[ActionDan]

Time (Shinki) probably should go ahead and say what they did.

[ActionDan]

(he thought it was wis and beeboy)

[ActionDan]

I don't see anything remarkably different between this game's gaiden and last game's gaiden.

[ActionDan]

Do you mean self voting.

[ActionDan]

Tbh I'm not going to find it when my mthod of comparison is activity and post length and tone

[ActionDan]

Yeah, I dont think we did anything Day 2.

so why would you not use your action?

~Wis

pedit: You didn't know their abilities?

Because we had to use it during the day and so I'm not used to that, plus MTD has disappeared off the face of the earth, so trying to figure out what we were gonna do is a headache.

Investigate, Track, [snip] me.

[ActionDan]

I'm basically as mellow in the qt as I am in this thread.

[ActionDan]

@pie jingle town doesnt mean time town. Such a role could also be scum.

you're missing the point

in order for Jingle to be the scum nightkill, they wouldn't have known he wasn't actually an investigative role. if Time was scum, they would have known what abilities Jingle had. then they would have decided to kill notsci over Jingle N1 for some unexplained reason, and then wait until N2 to kill him instead. what's the conclusion?

in this case what's the probability a scum time who controls jingle knows that it's jingle he controls.

[ActionDan]

so why isn't haj getting lynched today

wait for him to post

also

question:
probability of mafia rolecop
probability of 3+ kills tomorrow

very possible
very low?

[ActionDan]

Sure... but N1?

[ActionDan]

Mollie is confusing pronouns in the PM

[ActionDan]

Mollie did I really trick you in to claiming masons with me f2f . good times if so ^_^.

@Pie. I didn't really "take a shit" on Mono's read. I offered my own opinion challenging hers or else taking one contrary to hers. I don't believe I should be required to agree with her / subvert my own opinion for hers when I don't see what she sees, and what difference she saw wasn't given as of yet.

[ActionDan]

Can I guess.

redirector. With the implication that MS redirected Pie to NS.

@Pie. I'm kinda tired right now and it's getting hard to see the problem here, but just because I'm not able to differentiate some as of yet unspecified difference between gaiden's scum game and gaiden's town game, strictly using the material between this game and the last touhou game, doesn't mean I'm unqualified to state that according to my specifications, using the same material, I do not see any difference in play. That does not mean that gaiden has to be scum because he was scum in the other game, but it does mean that citing a difference between play and using that difference to solidify a read should be regarded with some skepticism.

[ActionDan]

This whole role conversation is nonsense. If you vote DOAA and want people to vote him with you, you can't withhold your role, which I remind you from an outside perspective, apparently has at least some method of discerning another person's role. Considering the nature of your role is compromised, I can't imagine there being any particular harm done in just saying what you have instead of the circle jerk you're putting everyone through.

[ActionDan]

VOTE: ACTIONDAN

Fixed to accurately represent how much slam you're jamming with.

[ActionDan]

1. this is a misrep of Sakura's Gaiden read. her read is not exclusively based on Gaiden's scum play from the previous game; it's obvious she has experience with Gaiden spanning multiple (town and scum) games.

I didn't misrep the read at all. I have yet to state, explicitly or implicitly, that Sakura doesn't have experience with multiple scum/town gaiden games, nor debate that Sakura's original statement and read referenced multiples of both, which is necessarily what you are suggesting, unless you confusing the words "misrep" and "question".

2.

the problem is that you came out of nowhere to discredit Sakura's read

. if Sakura sees at least one difference, and you don't see it, the logical conclusion is not "Sakura is wrong and/or dumb", especially when you don't even know what the difference she is thinking of is~moreover~, when I was able to find a not-so-subtle difference after going back and looking through his ISO, you straight up admitted you wouldn't be capable of finding itit's pretty fucking obvious there's at least one difference here. however, you are completely unwilling to accept that and instead continue to push there are noneyou are not trying to form a read or consider possibilities here, you are sitting there just trying to discredit. it didn't occur to you at all that Sakura might be seeing something you missed, especially when 1. she is more experienced at reading Gaiden than you 2. you straight up admitted it's likely you missed it? (not to mention the bolded is you speaking with absolute certainty Gaiden is town although tbh I wouldn't expect anyone to slip about something so trivial.)

Bolded is maybe the one reasonable concern you bring up. I'm the type of player to comment on whatever the fuck I fancy at the moment, and I fancied that sakura's read didn't match up with my own observations. If Sakura sees

at least one difference

"Very different scumplay" when if I, directly comparing these two games based on my own observations, don't see a noticeable difference, the conclusion is "HMMM maybe this needs questioning / checking". Especially if I don't know what the difference she is thinking of is - because you know - if I did see one I wouldn't have bothered being contrary now would I genius. And I'm glad you can find some oh-so-obvious difference that you insist on not stating even though you go on to say I'm unwilling to accept it. Tell me dipshit, then I'll check and maybe I'll even accept it. If there is some difference which you claim there is, it is not in post length, activity, or tone. And If it isn't in any of these 3 things, I'm going to require assistance to see it. The fact of the matter is I started to consider possibilities and forming reads when I questioned Sakura, it's up to her to continue the dialogue. But since you've taken up the case you can help out instead of being content saying such lines as "it didn't occur to you at all that Sakura might be seeing something you missed, especially when 1. she is more experienced at reading Gaiden than you 2. you straight up admitted it's likely you missed it?" Did I fucking proclaim my observations to be either infallible or the whole picture? I don't think so. If I missed a technical detail that's one thing, but let me remind you for the 2nd time, that Sakura said "VERY DIFFERENT PLAY" between a typical gaiden town game and a typical gaiden scum town. Using the only other game I have experience with, I DON'T SEE THAT.

As far as you bolding and declaring that a slip I'm not going to go out of my way and replace "gaiden's town game" with a chunkier expression when in context I'm referencing Sakura's read because she is the one that sees a difference and attributes it to gaiden being town.

[ActionDan]

Not fighting this

[ActionDan]

And because I've had just about enough of this

I and pie have information that AD is 99% scum.

No, I won't talk about what it is. But you can fucking trust us. There's a reason we insist on lynching him today.

~Wis

Bullshit. Pure and utter. Im going to take the 5 min before i get laid on vla to call this

A STEAMING PILE OF BULLSHIT

You wanna strongarm a mislynch by being obstinate. Go ahead and be bad. You try to pull this fake info shit thay you claim to revile ypu can get blacklisted

[ActionDan]

Except you are. There's nothing that could possibly be the case suggesting im scum from role

[ActionDan]

There is literally no way you can have any sort of info that leads you to believe that i'm 99% scum. Thats all there is to it.

So you can get blacklisted. You piece of lying shit

[ActionDan]

Like fucking come at me bro. Name your supposed role evidence. Fucking throw your bullshit at me chickenshit.

[ActionDan]

not to mention Dan's reaction to it was fucking ass. he naturally jumped to the conclusion that the result was "bullshit" without considering any other possibilities at all. if a claimed mason gets a result on you, and said mason is not haj-tier at this game, the logical conclusion is not to assume they're faking a result, it's to assume there might be some weird bullshit going on. the approach he took, on the other hand, looks like scum who just want to make the person with the guilty look worse than them.

Considering i dont have a fucking night action i dont know how he could possibly have any role shit on me that he would give a 99 percent chance for me to be scum.


Unless he's trying to strongarm this lynch which he was ambivalent on earlier today.

[ActionDan]

No

[ActionDan]

hey hey guys you know what we still need

dan and beeboy flavour claims

Yuki plus mai

[ActionDan]

VOTE: dreams

What's there to say. You're claim doesn't prove anything about my alignment

[ActionDan]

Lol yeah rly

[ActionDan]

Im mai

[ActionDan]

Preemptive permission from my end about scum at being made public.

Mine is granted as well

Also Neighbor QT too.