Micro 407: Jurassic Park Mafia - Game Over

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/confirm.

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VOTE: Scripten

Hi Beck. You roll town?

Hi Scripten. You roll town?

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Sweet, that was easy.

Beck come on over to the town block.

Surprised Scripten didn't reply...I know he worries about his early D1 play being bad. You scared I'll sniff you out Scripten?

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That's an interesting observation.

It's good to sniff plants aswell though.

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Yep. You got me.

Eating meat is pretty good.

Protein is yummy.

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Set-up speculation is not good for town.

We should stop doing it.

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Hmm, I'm debating whether Grib has scum-slipped.

I think he has assumed that town can only be Herbivores based on the flavor intro from mod.

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VOTE: Grib

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You already had one, why do you not buy it?

Unless you think Math is scum and lying?

I think you scum-slipped. Pretty badly as well.

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But the war isn’t over yet…. There are other

Carnivores

&

Omnivores

&

Herbivores

are at the edge of hunger… And has been secretively violating rules of Jurassic Park. A new revolution has begun in dinosaurs to find the dinosaurs that are violating park rules…

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Grib saw this and assumed that Herbivores must be town.

Grib is scum. Votes on Grib please.

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That's how it looks to me.

Just calling it how I see it.

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Low-hanging fruit...on page 3...

Not sure if serious...

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Set-up speculation is not good for town.

Is this an across-the-board thing? I mean, it'd be pretty cool if we could figure out how many scum there are.

You just answered why we shouldn't speculate on set-up in your own post;

Pretty sure diet is role-themed, so townies might wanna keep that to themselves so we don't do scum's rolefishing for them.

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Fantastic.

Can you tell me why you're so sure he isn't scum?

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I think he has a scum PM.

I think he used the intro flavour to guess that townies would be Herbivores based on the colours used in the intro post.

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I think he has tried to word it to look like a town-slip when it's actually a scum-slip.

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I think he got a scum PM based on the following sentences you quoted.

It's alignment indicative because he has tried to use that to make himself look like town, or that he has town-slipped, but I see it as a scum-slip.

PEdit - Beck, I have made that mistake before. Every time I read Scripten's questioning, it makes me want to scum-read him. Give him time to get into the game before you read him too hard.

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All I know is that non-Herbivores must die.

More votes on the fleshchewer BBT.

And for the record, I have been in a micro on this site with a scumteam and a Serial Killer.

This post is the one I really dislike Scripten.

It's like 'Well, I'm town and I'm a herbivore, so everyone else needs to die'.

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Mod has said dinosaur eating habits are not alignment indicative.

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I want to say Insanity is town already.

Her thoughts are lining up pretty well with mine.

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OK, well I don't think I can explain it any better than I have already tried.

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Now attempting to back off, trying to weasel out of his strong scumread of me.

I'm not backing off. At all. Not even close. I think you scum-slipped. My vote stays on you.

Irritated that nobody jumped onto my wagon with him. And now he's trying to force Pine to justify his townread of me, rather than giving an actual reason why I'm scum since his one (1) original reason is, at best, smoke.

Also exaggerating Pine's townread of me, when Pine himself stated it was mild.

He must have a pretty strong town-read to come in and just defend you right off the bat. That seems suspicious to me.

He is also buddying you which I don't like.

I think he got a scum PM based on the following sentences you quoted.

Also, BBT's handwaving and reluctance to immediately pounce on an admitted possible scumread, unlike what he's been doing to me, has been noted.

What's this about?

Beck is being way too self-defensive and his vote on Scripten is super weak. If BBT flips scum, Beck dies next.

Why are you trying to associate Beck with myself? How would me flipping *scum* indicate that the other person is scum?

Also, the fact your wagon hasn't at least picked up a couple of people has me thinking that the chances of you being scum are a little higher. Difficult wagons to build are usually on scum.

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Oh it posted lmaoo my computer was being weird sorry. Just RVS VOTE: Scripten because aggressiveness is kinda bleh

A vote with a reason is not an RVS vote.

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ENWOP;

Also, BBT's handwaving and reluctance to immediately pounce on an admitted possible scumread, unlike what he's been doing to me, has been noted.

What's this about?

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You soft-defended him. That's pretty clear.

Also, no comments about the buddying up that you're doing?

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I don't really have an opinion on Beck yet.

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Can't speak about it.

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Nah, I try not to formulate associative reads before any flips have happened.

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Grib is scum.

I don't think Scripten is scum.

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Have you decided that everyone else is town then?

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Scripten, can you go over the whole PM thing please because I'm not sure where Beck is coming from.

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Where did Scripten say that Beck?

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Oh, Grib said that?

Can we start using names because I'm confused as hell right now.

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OMGUS... Cool town buzzword Bro!

Seriously, you gonna respond to the accusation that I think you're buddying?

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@Pine - 47 and 52 are buddying.

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Hmm, I've been accused of buddying twice. Already.

I might have to stop talking to people...

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I like to get town-reads and work with those town-reads.

Helps me narrow down the pool I need to lynch from to find scum.

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Scripten saying he is town is not the reason I think he is town.

Just like you saying you were town is not the reason I think you're probably town.

What I do know is this. I want to see Math's reads when he posts and I want to see more from Yung and Finn.

I also think I want to lynch from Grib or Pine already toDay.

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Struggling a bit to get involved, we're 8 pages in and half of it was unnecessarily shit about setup that I found confusing, it wasn't needed and has distracted the thread.

Who are you scum-reading and why?

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That first couple of lines can't be aimed at me Pine?

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Scripten saying he is town is not the reason I think he is town.

Just like you saying you were town is not the reason I think you're probably town.

What I do know is this. I want to see Math's reads when he posts and I want to see more from Yung and Finn.

I also think I want to lynch from Grib or Pine already toDay.

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Four players.

That's more than what you've done.

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You might think your reads look more impressive because you've used more words.

But they don't.

Just makes them fluffy.

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Comprehensive case? That must be a joke?

This discussion is going nowhere. I'm not arguing about 'who provided the better reads' especially given that you only provided yours because you was asking me to do so ,when in fact, I had already done it.

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This entire exchange reminds me a lot of how BBT interacted with me when we were on a scum team together on day 1. I'm not sure how telling this really is, since he's allegedly aware of his meta, though.

Nah. Pine is the one engaging me, not the other way around.

I'm trying to converse with other players and he is just tunnelling on me.

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Town -> Scripten, Beck, Insanity

Null -> Finn, Math, Yung

Scum -> Grib, Pine

In order. So Finn is closer to town and Yung closer to scum. Math a true null.

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You should know better than to ask me to explain town-reads Scripten.

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It's a light town-read if that makes you feel better.

Yeah, Grib is my top scum-read. I believe he scum-slipped pretty hard, I really do.

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Nah, if I think you're town, I'll take my vote off you.

If someone else appears more scummy than you, I'll take my vote off you.

Right now though, I would love to see you lynched.

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Yeah.

I'm bored of going over that now.

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Sounds good to me.

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VOTE: Pine

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@Math

- Most recent scum-games;

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=58653 - Newbie 1524

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=58743 - Micro 376

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=58649 - Micro 369

As a side note; how do I change those links so that instead of the address showing it shows like 'Newbie 1524' as a hyperlink instead?

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VOTE: Scripten

I will ride this wagon.

The most suspect vote of the game so far. Where did this come from?

Grib, can you expand on 254 please?

vote: scripten

Claim and then somebody hammer please

Good night

This was bad.

He doesn't need to claim until someone states intent to hammer him. The fact you're continuing to quite blatantly role-fish is a little worrying.

VOTE: Yung

This guy is lurking pretty hard. I want him to do something.

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I think Scripten got hammered.

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The mod hasn't counted Yung's 'RVS' vote on Scripten.

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VOTE: Scripten

For stealing my vote and reason.

Oh it posted lmaoo my computer was being weird sorry. Just RVS VOTE: Scripten because aggressiveness is kinda bleh

No, it's not.

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Whoops.

The Mod didn't count Yung's vote because it was on a continuous line.

Wow. That was close.

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Still want Yung to answer how that's an RVS vote when he provided reasoning for the vote.

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Meh, he doesn't have that much to read and I don't have a lot of patience.

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Beck, seriously. Stop.

If he's lying, which I highly doubt because he has no reason to at all, we lynch him D2.

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Are you kidding me? He was at l-1, thats plenty of reason if he's scum.

OK, let's think about this.

Scripten said he can confirm himself as town tomorrow. So, we can;

a) Lynch him today. It could end up that he was telling the truth and we lose a town PR

or

b) We let him do his thing and re-evaluate on D2. If we're not happy with what he has to offer, we lynch him then.

If he is telling the truth, it's a serious blow to town to lose a PR D1. If he can confirm himself as town D2, we narrow the pool to lynch from to find scum.

Sound good?

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Still want Yung to answer how that's an RVS vote when he provided reasoning for the vote.

This is what you're most worried about? Not why has Yung read enough of the thread to figure out that Scripten was being aggressive yet fail to post anything meaningful...but why he called his vote an RVS...?

Yeah, I like to know what the motivation behind people's votes are.

Just because you don't assign a significant amount of value to a certain question, that doesn't make it a bad question.

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He can't RVS vote with reasoning. That defeats what a RVS vote is.

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It looks like a real vote disguised under RVS.

Scripten and Beck were going at it pretty hard and it looks like he chose a side and tried to disguise it under the reasoning of RVS. Given I feel Scripten vs Beck is town vs town, he doesn't care what side he chooses if he is scum.

I just don't like the vote. I also don't like that I've had to explain my reasoning for trying to engage Yung because now he has a better idea of how to answer me and what direction I was coming from.

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I never had a reason to vote Scripten. I just didn't like the aggressiveness. An RVS vote is a random vote so why would I have to have reason?

Haha, great response.

Still think it was a bad question Insanity?

As of his last post I'm absolutely happy with this lynch.

I don't really have any more analysis, haha.

Is there a reason you didn't state intent to hammer?

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Well, that will teach for me posting not long after waking up won't it.

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The same chance as catching scum with 1,000 posts.

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It has nothing to do with 'luck' or number of posts.

Whether he was acting scummy in 2 posts or 1,000 is irrelevant.

You said he might be scum. Can you elaborate on this?

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A PR at l-1 is always going to claim for fear of getting deep hammered.

Wrong. I have refused to claim at L-1 as a PR many times.

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It's easier for scum to role-fish if people just insta-claim at L-1. I always wait for intent to hammer to be declared.

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What makes you so sure we won't lynch scum today?

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Let's pretend Scripten is confirmed town Beck.

Where do you go next?

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Either way my vote is wasted. Only other person I would be OK lynching is you for beetlejuicing, its a classic tell for active lurking.

No other lynch is acceptable imo

Grib is still a good lynch for today.

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It's when someone says your name (Finn) in a post and then you suddenly show up and post in game.

He's hinting at you lurking.

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UNVOTE:

VOTE: Beck

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Beck is anti-town at the very, very best and scummy at worst.

I just don't understand his approach in this game and I've had enough now.

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Let's look at what's happening Scripten. Let's strip it down to the basics.

Beck wants to lynch you. He knows there is a chance you're a PR. He decides to go ahead and keep pushing your lynch anyway.

No matter how you look at that, it's scummy behaviour and it's scum-motivated.

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There's nothing town about what he's doing.

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Grib is still a good lynch.

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A scum who is a possible town PR...

Do you see the problem with that?

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Yeah cause scum would go against the grain of ever single player and alienate himself right? Nope, im 100% convinced bases on his play and his handling of him being at l-1, he's scum. If he had claimed a PR I would have probably acted differently but using fear of a PR without actually claming to be one is a scum tactic.

I had no idea this was the newbie game area, i thought this was experienced people. My bad

Yeah, can you imagine that? Scum just tunnelling on someone who they know full well will not be getting lynched. Then whatever other wagons form you can just stay away from them, use the reasoning that you had 'found scum' and not come under any pressure or VCA.

Yeah. What a crazy thought.

It's scummy to try and lynch a potential town PR. Scripten said he can confirm himself D2, so the sensible play is to look elsewhere.

Given there are at least two scum in this game, who do you think would be Scripten's buddy?

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Hey Majiffy!

Your slot is scum, correct?

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I haven't made my scum-read obvious enough?

Right now it's;

Most scummy -> Beck, Grib, Majiffy <- least scummy.

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Wait, I'm not #1 anymore? Am I not good enough for you or something?

If you start scum-reading Scripten and pushing for his lynch you can go back to #1. Fair?

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But that would be stupid.

It's scummy to try and lynch a potential town PR.

No its not

@Grib - You would think so, wouldn't you. Not to Beck though, to Beck, it's a pro-town move 'cause he found scum!

I'm feeling good about Finn being town as well.

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I completely disagree. How come?

Why do you disagree?

Just because of his 319?

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Yeah, I thought 358 was a good post and I still do.

He just comes across like newb-town. He is trying to present his view on things, just because he repeats himself or agrees with what other people say, I don't see how that makes him scum.

I would prefer him to do what he is doing rather than sit on the fence and provide no opinion at all.

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He admitted to struggling to get into the game.

If everyone is saying what he wants to say before he gets the chance to, what is he supposed to do? At least he is providing a viewpoint and his own personal opinion, even if he is only agreeing with others.

If his play continues in this way, sure, I would have to re-evaluate but right now I think he is town.

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He has done enough to warrant a town-read in my eyes.

I feel like Finn could be lynchbait. Especially with the way you have jumped on him now after the discussion between Insanity and myself, there is no way Finn gets lynched today.

Not with you, Grib and Pine alive.

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It makes his posts look like they contain more helpful towny content than they actually do. Which is obviously great for him if he is scum.

It also means he can avoid criticism for any arguments he makes. As he can just say 'insanity came up with that idea first and I just thought it made sense; you should give her a hard time about it instead.' Again, could be helpful for scum.

p-edit: I think Beck has been suspicious of Finn before now?

If Finn tried to deflect attention from himself in that way (oh well Insanity said it first) I would insta-vote him. That is very different to what we're talking about here. I would fully expect Finn to explain his own thought processes and reasons.

Beck showed slight suspicion towards Finn, mostly due to his lurking though, not his actual post content. He seems a lot more aggressive now that there has been some support for a Finn lynch.

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Did you?

It looks like you mentioned 'beetlejuicing' and lurking more than his post content.

Am I wrong?

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The

low posters

who bug me the most is Finn, nothing but iioa in his posts.

Sup

beetle juice

Either way my vote is wasted. Only other person I would be OK lynching is you for

beetlejuicing

, its a classic tell for

active lurking.

No other lynch is acceptable imo

Indeed.

Reading is fundamental.

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It looks like you mentioned 'beetlejuicing' and lurking more than his post content.

Reading is fundamental.

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Insanity, that was in relation to your comment about Finn potentially using the fact he agreed with someone else to deflect attention away from himself and onto the person he agreed with.

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But that's a false statement cause I did mention his content. Its me calling him out that caused him to start posting more. That's scummy

I agreed you mentioned content. What I'm arguing is that your primary focus was on him posting when mentioned and lurking, the secondary focus was on his post content.

This is going nowhere anyway. Finn is not today's lynch and those reasons alone are not enough to lynch anybody.

Especially when we have someone trying to lynch a claimed town PR. Yeah, seriously, someone is actually trying to do that.

Let's lynch him instead.

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Beck is scummier than Grib Scripten.

Join the Beck wagon please.

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The reasoning behind that vote is stated in that very post you quoted.

Would I have lynched him solely on him lurking? No. I wanted him to start posting and I wanted him to answer my question.

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Hmm.

Finn, are you going to start providing some analysis on the game or are you planning on continuing to post about game mechanics/theories?

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VOTE: Grib

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I was.

I'm asking him for a little more now.

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Is it?

Did I say I was scum-reading him?

Or did I say I wanted him to start producing more analysis in his posts?

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Because Beck claimed VT.

I am almost certain scum would not claim VT when they could claim pretty much anything they like.

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@Mod - Have you provided scum with fake-claims?

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Yeah, except Scripten said he can prove it D2.

That's the difference that you don't seem to be able to understand.

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If scum don't have fake-claims then I think it could be a good idea.

PEdit - He scum-slipped. Also, I agreed with Pine saying that he looked over-eager to hammer Beck and was seeking approval before he did so.

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Why Grib is scum;

24 - Set-up speculation. I find that scum like to speculate on set-up because they have that little bit more information than town and can manipulate town in this way.

240 - His vote on Scripten. He just jumped wagons with no reasoning at all other than 'I'll wait for everyone else to think BBT is scum'

254 - Somebody pointed this out but I can't remember who it was. He states he thinks me and Scripten are 'unaligned pairs'. Reeks of inside information.

528 - The intent to hammer. The last sentence is worded weirdly and doesn't sit right with me. Usually, people state intent to hammer and the person who is going to be hammered has time to respond and everyone else has time to react to that response. Grib merely gives people a 'handful of posts' before he plans on hammering.

537 - This was pointed out by somebody else as well. He looks like he wants to hammer Beck to 'shut him up' and because he wants him to 'stop being dumb'.

If you look at Grib's ISO, he has done very little scum-hunting. He has either tunneled on me or he has been arguing with Beck. He hasn't engaged with many other people unless they have initiated the conversation.

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Math, I think it's a bad idea.

If scum have fake-claims we gain absolutely nothing.

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same with the wagonhopping; that's very much not a scumtell.

He gave no reasoning for his switch. He also showed no previous inclination of scum-reading Scripten.

You don't find that suspicious?

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Mod - I'm V/LA, emphasis on the LA because my ISP has shut down in my area temporarily. Not sure how long it will last

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I've had a quick skim yeah.

I'm at Uni right now, if I get some free time I'll read it thoroughly and try to post as well

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Oh, and he's also using a scumread's reasoning to back up his explanation for voting me. In fact, he does this multiple times. So there's that.

I'm not sure what your point is here. Are you saying that because I am scum-reading someone that everything they say is wrong and irrelevant? Are you saying that because I think he is scum, I must be right, and therefore he cannot make any good points/provide good arguments?

Because if that's not what you're saying, I'd like to know what you actually mean. If that is what you're saying, I hope you can see the mistakes you're making.

Why is that scummy? It's a closed setup, town has less information, so the more we can learn about the setup, the better. Scum already know everything, sans town's PRs, so what's the harm in trying to get a feel for the game itself?

This is a nulltell at best, and that's being generous. Scummy? I don't think so.

I told you why it was scummy. Scum usually know a little but more about the set-up than town. Therefore, scum can manipulate town into certain ways of thinking.

A blatant lie. Either attack the post with the reasoning I provided (and referred to multiple times, most recently at Mathdino) or give it up.

Show me where you scum-read Scripten before 240.

Why does it reek of inside information? Do you disagree with my reasoning? Are you reading my posts? Are you scum? I think you're scum. Please die.

It's a great way for scum to line up lynches. 'Hey, BBT and Scripten are opposite alignments. Let's lynch BBT; BBT flips town, ohhhhh it must be Scripten, let's lynch Scripten; Scripten flips 'town'.' Scum have 2 lynches done and dusted. Scummy.

Not gonna lie, Beck's play is fucking annoying, and if I live to see toMorrow I don't want to have to deal with Round 2 of his shit tunnel on someone else, but he's likely town and the people who brought his wagon to L-1 needed to be poked. So I threatened to hammer. I'd do it again. In hindsight, I admit I was thinking "if the lynch is between me and him, welp, sucks to suck." It was a moment of weakness.

How does you threatening to hammer 'poke' at the people on the wagon? That doesn't make sense.

Yes, that's exactly what happened. What of it? I didn't kill him.

You were going to. The intention was there, it was scummy.

If you look at BBT's ISO, you'll notice he has done very little scumhunting, preferring to votepark someone for one (1) very stupid reason, and pretend to have other scumreads, with whom he'll eventually agree with in order to justify his vote on the singular bad scumread he has.

Pretty sure somebody (Scripten?) accused me of having 'too many' scum-reads. But yeah, you're right, I'm not scum-hunting. At all.

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I don't get 585 at all.

You have quoted me saying Beck is scummy. And I voted him.

You wanted to vote him because 'he was dumb' and you wanted to 'shut him up'.

What am I missing here?

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Beck is anti-town at the

very, very best

and scummy at worst.

I just don't understand his approach in this game and I've had enough now.

OK, so this is the post we're going to focus on? Despite me stating numerous times that I found Beck scummy. OK.

Please note the bold. Tell me what you think that implies. If you can't infer what it means, I'll tell you.

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Wow.

It was the same issue, correct. I said I found you scummy, Grib said he found you dumb. I don't know what else I can say.

I'm being scum-read for my read changing on Beck? That's insane. Reads change all the time. There is a thought progression in all of my posts, read through my posts in context instead of just my ISO and it's clear to see.

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It implies I don't think scum would claim VT in this game.

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But that means your scum read on me wasn't genuine...

Like I said, I don't think you are naive enough to think scum won't claim VT. I always claim VT as scum, I'm not a good enough liar to pull off fake claims. I have seen plenty other scum claim VT also.

Not to mention your read change on me came completly out of the blue to begin with. You were calling me town and all of a sudden you call me anti town/scummy when I did nothing different.

Its all suspect and your scum read was based on bullshit anyway.

I'm ready to hammer if someone puts you back atbl-1

Why does it mean my scum-read on you wasn't genuine if I believed your VT claim. That's ridiculous.

There is nothing left for me to say on this. I thought you were town initially, when you continued to push for Scripten's lynch even though he soft-claimed a PR and said he can prove it; that's when you become scummy. You continued to keep pushing, so I voted for you.

It was the continuation of your actions that made you scummy. I can't be clearer about that.

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I'm saying you should, at the very least, take what they say with a grain of salt. You don't have any paranoia in regards to that, because your scumread on Pine is a complete fabrication.

Nah, he made good points. Regardless of whether I think he is scum or not, he made good points.

Does that mean setup speculation is always scummy?

Ding, ding, ding! You're catching on!

Who said I scumread him? Ever? I certainly didn't say that. What I did say is that I didn't have a strong read on him one way or the other and wouldn't have minded lynching him in case it cleared you. I already wrote the post, I'm not going to sit here and read it to you.

Well, you see, unless I'm at deadline I don't like to lynch people because I 'don't have a read on them'. You had a scum-read on me, therefore, that's where your vote should have stayed. It was an opportunistic vote and a great point to jump on the wagon.

You voted a townread because he was being antitown, not because you think he's scum (although if you think he actually is, feel free to say so, with reasons besides "antitown"). I threatened to hammer him for the same reason.

Do you think he's scum? Take a stance, you little scumbag.
I'll ask again, for emphasis, because I know you need a little push to actually get things done.

Is Beck scum? Why or why not?

Sorry about the formatting of this post, uni computers are so bad. The spoiler below is my thoughts on Beck at the time of voting him, tell me if you think I thought he was scummy. I mean, I think it's pretty clear, but whatever, have a look yourself.

Spoiler: BBT scum-reading Beck

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Beck

Beck is anti-town at the very, very best and scummy at worst.

I just don't understand his approach in this game and I've had enough now.

Let's look at what's happening Scripten. Let's strip it down to the basics.

Beck wants to lynch you. He knows there is a chance you're a PR. He decides to go ahead and keep pushing your lynch anyway.

No matter how you look at that, it's scummy behaviour and it's scum-motivated.

There's nothing town about what he's doing.

Yeah cause scum would go against the grain of ever single player and alienate himself right? Nope, im 100% convinced bases on his play and his handling of him being at l-1, he's scum. If he had claimed a PR I would have probably acted differently but using fear of a PR without actually claming to be one is a scum tactic.

I had no idea this was the newbie game area, i thought this was experienced people. My bad

Yeah, can you imagine that? Scum just tunnelling on someone who they know full well will not be getting lynched. Then whatever other wagons form you can just stay away from them, use the reasoning that you had 'found scum' and not come under any pressure or VCA.

Yeah. What a crazy thought.

It's scummy to try and lynch a potential town PR. Scripten said he can confirm himself D2, so the sensible play is to look elsewhere.

Given there are at least two scum in this game, who do you think would be Scripten's buddy?

I haven't made my scum-read obvious enough?

Right now it's;

Most scummy -> Beck, Grib, Majiffy <- least scummy.

But that would be stupid.

It's scummy to try and lynch a potential town PR.

No its not

@Grib - You would think so, wouldn't you. Not to Beck though, to Beck, it's a pro-town move 'cause he found scum!

I'm feeling good about Finn being town as well.

Beck is scummier than Grib Scripten.

Join the Beck wagon please.

DO I think Beck is scum now? Well, I thought I had made that obvious enough as well. No, I do not think Beck is scum after his VT claim.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Quick comment on my situation.

If my net doesn't get sorted over the next few days, I won't be able to post until Monday.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

There are a lot of PR's to claim.

It's highly unlikely that he chooses one that Scripten can call out as a lie. Also, there are a lot of fake-claims that cannot be confirmed and this makes it easy for scum to claim them.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Because you claimed VT.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Phone posting.

I have been reliably informed that my internet is now working.

I will be getting around to this game when I get home in about 3-4 hours.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Gonna do this in chunks because I don't want to do a huge wall and I don't know how much I have to respond to.

That said, the way Grib presents his case has cast some doubt on my scum read. It's a fairly well-made case, if not one I can get behind, and it seems to come from a town mindset.

I absolutely love that you're defending me with meta. It almost brought a tear to my eye...

Seriously though, can you tell me what you like about Grib's case?

Spoiler: Response to Grib

Do you still think he's scum?

Pine is still scum yeah.

re: the bolded red, more hypocrisy. I scumslipped, remember? Your vote never should have moved to Beck. Especially since you never actually called him scum until this post, but only after you decided he's town again.

If I don't feel like your lynch is achievable, due to other people's reads/actions, then I have to move on to find your buddy. I'm not gonna sit and endlessly tunnel on the same point if nobody agrees with me. I have to wait for the rest of town to catch up and realize you're scum.

I notice you never actually call Beck scum. Ever. It's always scummy or antitown.

I don't think I have ever encountered this problem before. If I state that someone is scummy over and over, you can safely assume that I think they're scum.

Did you ever think he was scum, or just antitown? The way you worded this sentence feels like you're trying to answer the question as carefully as possible.

I quoted a lot of my posts that I feel clarifies my position on the matter.

just going off this, I feel like for most of the game he has played like the 2nd one. He was tunneling pretty hard on grib and then tunneling on me. He did hop off to vote a lurker and I think he voted pine at some point, but he's been doing a bit of tunneling this game.

I have not tunneled this game. You will know when I am tunneling. Regardless, I tunnel as either alignment so it's a null-tell.

The fact you're saying I tunneled on both you and Grib, and then voted for 2 other people, kind of shows that I haven't been tunneling.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

That said I'm probably still happier with a BBT lynch, partially because it gives us more flip info.

Pine, Finn, BBT, insanity, thoughts on a Majiffy wagon?

I need to read Majiffy's slot regarding a wagon on him, I don't even remember who he replaced.

Are you happier with a BBT lynch or a Majiffy lynch? I'd honestly be happier with a Majiffy lynch atm. There's pretty much nothing supporting that slot being town.

Are you trying to

appease

me? Do you realize that if it weren't for your softclaim, at this point I'd probably be leading a lynchwagon straight into your face? The way you're clinging to meta and trying to redirect the BBT wagon is raising flags.

I keep getting violent flashes of "Scripten is scum, isn't he, fuck Beck for being right" but then I try to calm myself. It's okay, Grib, everything will be clear toMorrow, just relax.

Scum-reading people on associations without the relevant information is bad. You should stop doing that.

It's hypocritical because we both wanted to lynch Beck

for the same reasons

at some point, but he's calling me scum for it.

BBT claims he doesn't understand by reasoning (calling Beck dumb) when. It's very clear I wanted to lynch him for antitown shenanigans. Like. I had a post about how tunneling a provable town PR is really, really stupid. There is no ambiguity there.

I'm going to lose my fucking shit over this soon.

You said Beck was anti-town and wanted to lynch him for being dumb and to shut him up.

I said Beck was scummy and I wanted to lynch him for being scummy.

There is a gigantic difference in those statements.

I'm honestly stunned at what is going on right now

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I saw that Majiffy replaced Yung and was like 'Yeah, let's lynch Majiffy'.

But now I don't want to. Other than the set up spec about SK, I'm not sure why people think Majiffy is scum?

He could certainly contribute more yeah, but I don't see how that makes him scum. To steal a quote from someone's sig 'Effort is not indicative of alignment'

I would much rather lynch Grib or Pine. Maybe Finn if he doesn't stop parroting.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

That’s actually not a good assumption. Town wants to lynch scum -- scum want to lynch scummy players.

That's actually a retarded statement to make. Seriously.

No, there isn’t. Don’t pretend one of your reasons for wanting to lynch him wasn’t “antitown.”

I called Beck dumb and wanted to shut him up

because

he’s being antitown. You cannot be this dense.

It's you who is being dense. I said Beck was scum, multiple times, you said he was anti-town. I did not say he was anti-town.

The only time I even remotely referred to Beck as town during that time is when I said 'Beck is anti-town at the very, very best and scummy at worst'. That means, if I gave Beck extreme leeway, (hence the very, very best section of that statement) I could see him being town in the absolute best of light. Otherwise, he was scum.

Those wagons aren’t happening. It’s you or Majiffy.

My oh my, you seem extremely confident up there on your pedestal. Feel like you're in control of this game do you?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Town playing against their win-con.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Wait.

Clarify this for me. Did you think Beck was scum when you voted him? Please just yes or no.

No, he didn't.

He specifically said he was voting him because he was 'dumb' and 'wanted to shut him up'.

I believe he has admitted to this in thread.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I'm tempted to vote you just to shut you up.

Also, I'm not eager to hammer. I'm eager for Beck to stop being dumb before he becomes a bigger liability.

But keep doubtcasting, it's cute.

Not gonna lie, Beck's play is fucking annoying, and if I live to see toMorrow I don't want to have to deal with Round 2 of his shit tunnel on someone else, but he's likely town and the people who brought his wagon to L-1 needed to be poked. So I threatened to hammer. I'd do it again. In hindsight, I admit I was thinking "if the lynch is between me and him, welp, sucks to suck." It was a moment of weakness.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I will concede here – that was the only time you called him antitown.

Your whole case boils down to this point...and you've conceded it.

What?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

No, it doesn't. A lot of my case is being handwaved as "BBT plays that way as either alignment."

What are your other reasons?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Nah, when scum push bad cases on me and then concede their biggest point was in fact false, I like to see them hang.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

No, it doesn't. A lot of my case is being handwaved as "BBT plays that way as either alignment."

What are your other reasons?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Can you write it out clearly and concisely in your next post.

Like, 3 or 4 bullet points would be great.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

- You are pursuing me because of a slip that wasn't even a slip.
- You never did give a reason why what I did could only have come from scum. My slip is the basis for your entire case, and I want you to back it up with concrete statements/assertions or to just give it up. "I believe" doesn't cut it.
- You don't read my posts. May not be alignment indicative but it's not really doing you any favors. It's incredibly annoying when you attack me for something I did not do or have already explained.
- You aren't displaying paranoia about your scumread's reasons for wanting to lynch me. You're too eager to get me mislynched to even care.
- No one is actually capable of defending you based on content produced this game. Not necessarily your fault, but it appears to me that they can't do it because you aren't town. I am 100% open to a town!you case, but no, it's meta this and he does this all the time that. You are not going to ride that excuse to endgame for as long as I'm alive.

That's all I've got from the top of my head. Phoneposting, it's a busy weekend.

1) That doesn't make me scum

2) Yeah, I did. I said 'You assumed that town would get a Herbivore PM because Herbivore was coloured green in the mod's intro post and green is associated with town.' Again, how does this make me scum? These two points you're pushing make no sense as

reasoning

for me to be scum. It's basically 'I think BBT is scum because I think he is pushing a bad case.' I got news for you, it's not a bad case, and even if it were, townies push bad cases all the time. Once again, not alignment indicative.

3) Yeah. I am reading your posts and you're right, it's not alignment indicative. So, why would you include this when I just asked you why I'm scum.

4) Did I say 'Pine is 100% town because he just made a good point?' No, I didn't. I simply said, he made some good points. You're massively exaggerating that.

5) You're right, I shouldn't ride on that till end-game. Again, because people can't defend me that doesn't make me scum. Hell, if everyone could defend a townie, townies would never get lynched, right?

So, we've now established that your scum-read on me boils down to...nothing?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

No. You don't get out of it that easily. Let's trim it down.

How does me pushing your scum-slip directly lead you to believe I am scum?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

NO, you're misunderstanding.

I don't want you to tell me why I'm 'wrong'. I want you to tell me how that makes me scum.

How does me pushing your slip make me scum.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

You can't do it can you? You can't explain how me pushing your slip makes me scum.

It's because it doesn't and your whole case has been BS. You can get lynched now.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Actually, I'm in "let's lynch BBT, but I guess Majiffy will do if everyone's too indecisive to go for BBT"

In all seriousness, I have blown your case to pieces. You conceded what was your biggest point in your case, and I hope everyone read that because I don't understand some of the comments people are making.

I just have a simple question.

How does me pushing your scum-slip directly lead you to believe I am scum?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Actually, thinking about that point you conceded, some people jumped on that pretty quickly and voted me. I need to check a few things.

Grib, your case was 'I was hypocritical' which you have conceded and then a bunch of stuff that is in no way alignment indicative. I mean, I'm asking you to explain just your first point, nothing else, just how your first point links to me being scum. And you can't answer because it doesn't. It does not lend itself to me being scum.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

grib actually making very good points here, especially with regards to bbt, especially the last part about bbt and grib both wanting to lynch me for being antitown but somehow when grib does it it's scummy but it's not for bbt...

Wow, okay, the hypocrisy Grib's pointing out is good enough for me. I was under the impression your suspicions were a result of tunneling and aggressiveness, but it looks like there's scum motivation behind BBT's votes.

VOTE: BlueBloodedToffee

Yeah, it was a good series of posts

vote: BBT

Considering Pine's been tunneling BBT all game, it's pretty likely he'll declare intent to hammer. As such I'm comfortable asking

BBT, care to claim?

Pretty satisfied with ending today, I think all I'd like is more from Majiffy.

This is a very interesting sequence of posts.

Beck, why did you not vote for me in 586? Why did you wait until Math had voted me in 592 and then you vote me straight after in 593.

You both happily accepted a point that Grib himself has now conceded was in fact false.

I have too many scum-reads and I need to sort myself out. I might be wrong about Beck being town, and I think Math could be scum.

Math is rolefishing asking for the claim before anyone even stated intent to hammer me. I had no reason to claim just because I was L-1.

PEdit - Funnily enough Insanity, I'm beginning to think I've been wrong about Grib this whole time. He might just be bad town that is tunneling.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

#1 is wrong. It wasn't a good case, I have shown that. Grib has shown that by conceding the very point that both you and Beck latched onto as reasons for voting me.

If Beck agrees with it, why did he wait for you to vote before he voted me?

You still wait for intent to hammer, unless you're role-fishing. Had Pine come in and said 'Intent to hammer', I would have had no problem with your post.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I know he did.

What I'm saying is this. If you're going to vote me based on somebody else's reasoning, you better check that their reasoning is valid before you do so. You hopped onto a reason that I shouldn't have even had to explain because I haven't said anything new that wasn't already in my ISO when Grib made those points.

I'm not asking you to defend me at all. I'm saying you should have checked the validity of somebody else's cases before voting me based off of that reasoning.

I don't think players hammer without stating intent. If Pine 'derp-hammered' I would have expected him to come under extreme pressure D2.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

You see, had I been lynched, it would have been very easy for you to hide behind Grib's case and reasoning for why you was on my wagon. You know what, actually;

VOTE: Mathdino

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Here's where I'm at right now;

Town

Scripten
Insanity
Majiffy
Grib
Finn
Pine
Beck
Math

Scum

My pride doesn't allow me to call Grib town yet, but I'm beginning to think I've been wrong all game.

I need to look at Pine again. IIRC, I basically called him scum off of association tells, which is kind of bad.

One of Beck/Math is scum, probably not both because of the way they voted me.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

The hypocrite case is the one that Grib conceded.

I know players do derp-hammer. If he did, he would have come under pressure D2. However, I'm not going to insta-claim anytime I'm put to L-1 in case of derp-hammers, that just makes it too easy for scum to role-fish.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

It was a good case at the time, and a much worse case now

. You think I should've been able to instantly see the problems with it and then defend you?

Had Scripten not chimed in, I'd absolutely have still been voting you,

as I still think Grib's case is pretty valid

.

What?

Just because I don't see everything from your point of view doesn't make me scum.

Correct. What makes you scum is latching onto somebody else's poor reasoning for joining my wagon. It would have been very easy for you to point the blame at Grib come D2.

Edit: He conceded that you called Beck anti-town once. That does not mean he conceded the entire case; the point and the hypocrisy he highlighted is still valid.

No, it isn't. He has completely conceded that entire hypocrisy case;

It's you who is being dense. I said Beck was scum, multiple times, you said he was anti-town. I did not say he was anti-town.

The only time I even remotely referred to Beck as town during that time is when I said 'Beck is anti-town at the very, very best and scummy at worst'. That means, if I gave Beck extreme leeway, (hence the very, very best section of that statement) I could see him being town in the absolute best of light. Otherwise, he was scum.

I will concede here – that was the only time you called him antitown.

No, it doesn't. A lot of my case is being handwaved as "BBT plays that way as either alignment."

It's the one I ended with "tl;dr BBT is scum. Let's lynch him." CtrlF my ISO.

The 'one' he is referring to as still being his case is 583, not 585 which is the one you agreed with as reasoning for voting me (592)

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Good, so at least we're on the same page of both being confused. Grib's case, independently and read by itself, is a very valid case. Grib's case at the time, with the information at hand at the time, was a very valid case.
Grib's case with the meta information available now (assuming Scripten's not lying), is much worse.

No, you see, this is where my problem lies.

You contradicted yourself, I wasn't confused, I wanted you to explain it. This is your explanation.

Now, I have said NOTHING NEW since Grib's hypocrisy case (585), I merely argued the points he was making by using posts I HAD ALREADY MADE before he presented his case (585, the one you agreed with). These points were already in my ISO and should not have needed my explanation.

You voted me based on this information. I'm saying that if you're going to vote me based off of someone else's case, you better make sure they're presenting a solid case. Everything I have said to refute his case was already present in my ISO, if anybody actually took the time to read it.

Again, your read on me is dependent on Grib's case sucking.

No, it isn't. My read on you is based on your opportunistic vote and the ease with which you would have been able to explain this vote if needed. My read on you is based on the fact that you didn't actually check if what Grib was saying was true, you just accepted it to justify voting me.

You'll have to excuse me if I'm still unclear as to what happened between you and Grib. The hypocrisy case involved you voting a townread and saying it was because he was playing antitown, and only afterwards shifting to calling Beck scummy. His concession agrees that you only called him antitown once. It does not say that he concedes the entire point, and I for one don't completely believe your 693 yet. We're arguing about semantics here.

I just quoted the posts that clearly show Grib transitioning to the 583 post being the main part of his case and conceding his 585.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I'll vote Beck as compromise.

I'd much rather lynch Math though.

Lynching for info is bad. I thought we had been over this.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Math won't become viable if I change my vote. I'm the only one pushing him.

If everyone reads through our conversation and decides that they don't want to lynch Math, I'll move onto Beck.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

And I'd say 'Hey Grib, I don't like the reasoning that Beck voted me for and I don't like the fact he waited for somebody else to vote me as well before immediately voting me straight after'.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

BBT, you complete me.

We should lynch Pine together.

Can we lynch Math first?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I explained why Math's voting was bad. Scripten is conf. town and at least Scripten tried to understand where you were coming from.

Math just accepted it and voted me.

Then tried to role-fish on me.

PEdit - No Math. I would much rather lynch you.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

He isn't?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

You know what I meant though, clearly.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

BBT, summarize why Mathdino's vote was scummy. Just a couple points. Or at least specific posts.

738, 740, 743, 749 and 752

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I seriously cba going on about that shit any longer Grib. I just have one question.

You've been registered to this site since March 2014. You're trying to tell me you've questioned every single person on why they're calling someone scummy and not scum?

Because your reasoning of off-site experience reeks of BS. Who gives a shit what happens on another site, it's about this site. On this site, after 7 months of playing you should know full well what scummy means.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

BBT do you expect Finn or Scripten to get on your Mathdino wagon?

I don't think anyone is going to join my Math wagon.

It's a damn shame.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

VOTE: Beck

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Scripten, that's the wrong wagon.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

How is he scum?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Correct.

I'm glad you're keeping up Beck.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

How is he scum?

He hasn't really scumhunted at all. Everything he's said that could be passed off as scumhunting has been deflective and opaque.

I'm not seeing this at all Scripten. I feel Majiffy has been fairly clear with his posts.

I don't see where he is deflecting. Can you point it out for me?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Nope. Don't think I am.

He has a trolling play-style, I kind of like it. I actually think people are taking issue with how he plays the game than what he is actually doing.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I don't find it that funny personally.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Sorry Scripten, I'm not following that.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Orange is the new Black avatar is a scum tell.

Only scum go to prison.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Lol at contemplating running Scripten up to hard-claim. That's actually kind of funny. Or is it scummy? You can choose.

I'm still happy to lynch Beck. I'm also still happy to lynch Math if anyone is up for that.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Yeah, I'm out of V/LA.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I would like to add that I am thoroughly confused by what's going on.

So, Beck and Scripten know each other to be town? That narrows the pool nicely.

I'm still good with a Math lynch.

PEdit - I think Grib is town Scripten.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Why was Beck tunnelling you yesterday when he knew you were town?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Because I do. I think I had him wrong D1.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Oh, interesting.

Just noticed that nobody included Beck in their lynch pools. So neither Beck nor myself is in any lynch pool. This is a useful tool. I 'll have to remember it.

I'd still lynch Beck.

Majiffy

- insanity018, Grib,

Scripten,Beck, Majiffy

(Lynched) - Jiffy hammering himself really sucks and stole information from us.

If my read on Grib is right, then Beck is the scum on this wagon.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Oh shit! You're not scum? Dammit.

@Everyone - Are you scum? Please answer honestly.

I think I have cracked how to play Mafia now.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Self-meta haha. The only thing that's worse than people who use meta to scum-hunt.

I'd really like to lynch Beck.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

VOTE: Beck

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Try harder.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Try harder to look like you don't care is what I meant.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Here's where I'm at right now.

Town

Scripten
Ffery
Grib
Pine
Math
Beck

Scum

Don't like Pine's push on Grib. Feels contrived.

Don't have much else to add. Apathy is taking over.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

If Beck is scum, all he has to do is say he is pretty sure that Scripten is town due to whatever Scripten did, then kill Scripten N2 and Beck puts himself in a nice position with most people town-reading him moving into late-game.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Nah, you have to make it look believable.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

You are scum cause IMO vca points to you being scum plus your weird 180 x 2 day 1, plus you think a player is scum for self meta, no townie would think a player is scum for self meta. Town use self meta All THE FUCKING TIME.

VCA points to me being scum.

Please explain. This should be good.

Self-meta is an awful way of trying to justify yourself as town.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

So, Beck and Scripten know each other to be town?

Not to mention this question only has scum motivation IMO.

The vca part is the way you avoided the jiffy wagon for no good reason at all and out of the players on my l-1 wagon where almost certain 1 person is scum, your play has been the most scummiest I have seen. If math was scum id be able to make a case for him, I can't cause I haven't seen anything really scummy.

Nah, that's me trying to work out what the hell was going on.

I avoided the Majiffy wagon because I thought Majiffy was town. No, you're right, I had no reason to avoid that wagon at all.

Do you really think I'm the type of player who is scared of being on a wagon that lynches a townie when I'm scum? Come on now, if that's your reason for scum-reading me then you need to re-evaluate because it's just plain wrong.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Haha, nice try.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Firstly, 1320 is such a bad post.

So easy to make it look pro-town. You couldn't have made those notes elsewhere, like Notepad or Word (considering they were for yourself).

You basically gave a running diary on what's happened in the game so far. Well done, you can read.

Got a question, BBT. So you're clearly cool with either a me lynch or a BBT lynch today. Yet yesterday I believe you said that because BBT and I both sheeped Grib's case at the same time, it makes it unlikely that we're scum together.

Do you still think me/Beck isn't a possibility?
If not, who's the partner for either of us?

That's correct. I still think it's unlikely you're both scum.

I don't like to comment on potential partners without the relevant information.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

It's a post that people will town-read you for. I'm letting you know it doesn't work with me.

You 'find scum' your way and I'll find scum my way. Associative tells are a bad way to scum-hunt when you don't have the relevant information available.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

^^

Point proven.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I didn't vote you for using self-meta. Silly.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

It's a post that reeks of 'Look how hard I'm trying to work out this game'

It looks great on the surface. When you actually analyze it, it's nothing more than a running commentary on the game so far.

You can't look for associative tells without the relevant information.

What happens if Beck flips scum? What do you do then?

PEdit - Are you saying I didn't think you were scum D1 Beck?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Yeah...
that's exactly what it is...
I'm not seeing what you're trying to say. What ELSE would it be? I paid very little attention to the game back then, the reread was

necessary

for me to get my bearings.

What's the relevant information? The flip? Because if and when that flip occurs, you're gonna need to look back at the game and see where things stand. Why can't you do it now? Why can't you prepare for the flip?

If Beck flips scum, it'll be Pine because every other pair makes little to no sense. Alternatively, it'll be Scripten and it turns out he's been lying about his PM, but that's unlikely.
Now answer your own question please.

You said the notes were for yourself. So keep them that way. That's part of the reason why it looks scummy to me.

Yeah, the flip & the following NK, that makes associatives much easier to work out and also prevents wasting all the time doing it now only to find out you could be wrong or the person you thought it was got NK'ed. A narrower pool of people also increases the chances of actually being correct.

Even more so, it gives scum a nice trail to follow my thought process and gives them an indication of the direction I'll be heading in the next day-phase if I do it now.

So yeah, not doing it.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Yeah, see, BBT, the main reason people have had issues with you this game is because you seemed to arbitrarily switch reads and go full hypocrisy on them.

Yeah, I haven't done this.

Math, what happens if Beck flips scum? Because from the sound of it, Beck is near 100% town for you right now.

Where do you go? How do you proceed?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

If Beck flips scum, I look at the remaining players in the game, some VCA and decide who I think is scum.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I'm willing to work with my scum-reads, I realize I can be wrong. I'm talking with you right now.

Because I have the extra info of a 2nd lynch and a 2nd NK to help me analyze Tomorrow.

I just said that.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Fuck.

Received prod.

Apologies for apathy taking over. I've never had this before

[BlueBloodedToffee]

But a no would imply that I'm scum but NOT with Pine

Self-awareness.

Still happy with a Math lynch.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I'm contemplating a Beck/Scripten scum-team as well.

Thought I would put that out there.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Intent to hammer Pine.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Getting bored.

Game is stalling.

Nobody wants to lynch my scum-reads.

Happy?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Hey Scripten,

I'm town.

Now that you know I'm town, how about we lynch Math or Beck?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

What are you unhappy about Beck?

I missed that. Happy Birthday Scripten!

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Beck, how about you grant Scripten his wish?