Micro 407: Jurassic Park Mafia - Game Over

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/confirm

Hi again Grib!

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I wonder if that constitutes a townslip for you. Hm. I already had a light townread on you anyway.

The setup heavily implies three factions. Two scum and likely one 3P.

What.

But the war isn’t over yet…. There are other

Carnivores

&

Omnivores

&

Herbivores

are at the edge of hunger… And has been secretively violating rules of Jurassic Park. A new revolution has begun in dinosaurs to find the dinosaurs that are violating park rules…

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Grib saw this and assumed that Herbivores must be town.

Grib is scum. Votes on Grib please.

Stole what I was going to say BBT. Though I'm not so certain that this makes Grib scum.

Got free time faster than expected

No real reads as yet, but I may pass out from all of the stupid fumes being given off from is thread. Even if the mod didn't outright state that it's not carnivores vs herbivores etc,

someone outright herpderping that they're a carnivore would've made that obvious.

Scum would have to be absolute blithering morons to advertise it otherwise

In fact...yeah. I take it back. Mild townread on Gribble for herpderping, moderate scum read on Blueblood for unreasonable pouncing

Vote: BluebloodedToffee

What are you talking about in the bolded?

This post feels mega defensive (possibly white knighting Grib?) to me.

VOTE: Pine

P-edit: To my understanding, scum are the dinosaurs which don't follow the park rules. They can be herbivores, carnivores or omnivores --> the type of dinosaur is not alignment indicative

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So I'm somehow missed a page Will be back after work.

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I agree with Beck that Scripten's posts are pinging oddly. Beck also seems town.

Grib had role flavor that suggested it, if he's not lying. I'm calling null until later.

interesting because my role pm doesn't suggest my alignment has anything to do with the type of dinosaur I am...

Neither did mine, but Grib's summary of the role flavor seemed reasonable. Didn't feel too alignment-indicative.

@Scripten, So if your role pm said nothing about type of dinosaur = alignment, why did you find Grib's discussion of role flavour 'reasonable'?

But it seems scum are omnivores,

so if he were scum don't you think he would know a town carnivore would speak up?

Where did that come from?

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I'm thinking Grib is town atm.

I want to say Insanity is town already.

Her thoughts are lining up pretty well with mine.

You're not buddying me are you?

Oh it posted lmaoo my computer was being weird sorry. Just RVS VOTE: Scripten because aggressiveness is kinda bleh

You know what I think is bleh? People who RVS when we already have plenty of content to analyse.

VOTE: Yungh0mo

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Scripten, I'm also finding it slightly hypocritical that your case against Beck is he that committed to many reads. Yet, the only people you've commented on are Beck (scum) and nullish for Grib and BBT.

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Pine - as in defensive of Grib.

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@Scripten, So if your role pm said nothing about type of dinosaur = alignment, why did you find Grib's discussion of role flavour 'reasonable'?

Because the way he described his role sounded like the rest of the flavor we've been provided and I could see how he could have made the mistake he did, as town or scum. That's why I said it was not alignment indicative.

Where did that come from?

Guess. And then you should move your vote onto scum.

How did Beck's mistake that omnivores=scum differ from Grib's mistake that carnivores=scum?

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I'm disagreeing with Grib being scum. I can kinda understand where Grib's confusion about his role PM may have come from.

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Cool. Come join me, then.

UNVOTE: Beck
VOTE: Pine

VOTE: Scripten

You have not expressed any suspicions of Pine so far.

Disappointed that your wagon wasn't getting any traction?

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Scripten, why are you scum reading Pine?

BBT's "I would love to see Grib lynched" --> 'Yeah sure, let's lynch Pine" bothers me as well. But slightly less because he had previously explained what suspicions he had of Pine.

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UNVOTE:

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Grib, why did you switch to Scripten?

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Because I didn't understand your vote.

Presuming that Scripten isn't lying, this wagon escalated very quickly and there's a good chance that scum was involved somehow. Beck has been scum reading Scripten for a while. FinnLaw's vote was RVS but he was continuing to express suspicions. Yet, you (and I just double checked your ISO to make sure this is correct) hadn't at any point given any reasons why you thought Scripten may be scum. You could have been just jumping on because it looked like an easy wagon.

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Still want Yung to answer how that's an RVS vote when he provided reasoning for the vote.

This is what you're most worried about? Not why has Yung read enough of the thread to figure out that Scripten was being aggressive yet fail to post anything meaningful...but why he called his vote an RVS...?

insanity

, I want you to give some of your reads and your reasoning for them.

Meh. I'm not a huge fan of reads lists.

Leaning town: Beck > Mathdino > Grib
Assuming town for now: Scripten
Nullish: Pine
Leaning scum: BBT, Yungh0mo, Finnlaw

Yungh0mo for not contributing anything meaningful.

I hate FinnLaw's 319 as it seems like just a repeat of what other people have said.

Atm, something about the way BBT is forming his reads and questioning other people feels unnatural. Eg above.

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Okay BBT, walk me through this.

Yungh0mo: Vote Scripten for being aggressive
vs
Yungh0mo: RVS Vote Scripten for being aggressive

What does use of either one suggest about Yungh0mo's town/scum motivations?

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I'm trying to figure out where you're going with this. And the best I can come up with is: You think Yungh0mo's vote wasn't actually random but he called it a RVS in order to remove responsibility for his voting.

p-edit: Gotcha.

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Considering Yung's super-lurking, I'm not sure you would have gotten a response from him anytime soon anyways.

Well, you're looking townier in my eyes now.

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@FinnLaw

I don't have any issue with you unvoting.

I don't like how you wrote up a post that entirely regurgitates what others have said. It would be a good way for scum to pretend to contribute towards discussion.

Do you have any thoughts on players other than Scripten?

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VOTE: FinnLaw

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VOTE: Yungh0mo

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I don't think your question itself would have achieved much. Yungh0mo's response was going to be either 'It was RVS! I didn't have any real reasoning' or 'Whoops you're right, it wasn't RVS.'

What is more telling here was how Yung jumped straight to defending himself and doesn't seem to care about anything else happening in the game.

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It's easier for scum to role-fish if people just insta-claim at L-1. I always wait for intent to hammer to be declared.

Same

Stop trying to insult my intelligence, yes I read what I'm writing.

I'm not voting grib cause nobody else is voting grib. He gets to l-1, I'll hammer him but I'm keeping my vote where its at thanks

P.edit- I can't pretend something that isn't possible,

cause he's confirmed scum already

.

No he isn't. Unless someone suddenly comes out as a day cop, he's as much confirmed scum as he is confirmed town ie not confirmed at all.

And there is no need to start insulting our intelligence, Beck.

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I'm feeling good about Finn being town as well.

I completely disagree. How come?

There's not a single role that is ACTUALLY confirmable, that can't be confirmed today.

Some possibilities: Masoniser, friendly neighbour, Day 2 revealing Innocent Child

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I've been getting the same impression out of the rests of his posts.

For example, at first glance 358 seems like a great post. However, looking closely, there is very little original analysis and the post has been fluffed up with

FinnLaw reminding us what his previous stances were

or

parroting what others have said.

Spoiler: Coloured!

Reading up a bit, here's some people I'm suspicious of (sorry for the long posts):

Beck

- Early on in the game when he was being attacked by Scripten for being non-committal, I sided with Beck because I thought Scripten was being unreasonable in expecting further reads that early. Unlike some others I didn't find his reaction to Scripten coming across as too defensive initially

. I also liked Beck's questioning of Scripten over the flavor situation which was 'why did Scripten find Grib's comment reasonable if Scripten's PM contradicted it.'

However, as the game goes on Beck is tunnelling Scripten a bit and I didn't like how Beck still wanted to go through with the Scripten lynch even after the soft claim. I get you might not believe his claim but if he doesn't have proof day 2 then we lynch him. It is anti town to want to go ahead with the Scripten lynch after his soft claim even if you think he is lying as we face the potential risk of losing a town PR, when we can instead lynch him day 2 if he is lying. I was suspicious that he still wanted to go through with the lynch and potentially risk losing a town PR and he still has his vote on Scripten.

It has nothing to do with the vote, it has everything to do with ignoring the obviously correct play. Refusal to claim is a scum claim.

Using fear of lynching a "possible" PR is also a scum claim

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It is basically using fear of lynching a PR to avoid his lynch but we should be cautious of this risk. Anyways it is not him making us fear it and getting away freely. It is just simply being delayed.

He says he has proof to clear his name, if he doesn't have this proof then we lynch him

. He doesn't get away with it if he is scum, he just delays his lynch. -->

insanity

says: Err...you're aware that it is Beck's argument that Scripten is scum using tactics to delay his lynch right?

Oh ffs, town is.doomed

Go ahead and lynch me, town has no chance to win now

I also didn't like the above quote from Beck. It comes across slightly Ate. Maybe I'm getting it wrong, I don't have that much experience but that's how I read it.

VOTE: Beck

Scripten

- I have Scripten leaning scum. I have previously spoke of how I didn't like Scripten's early case on Beck. I thought he had unreasonable expectations of what he expected from Beck and thought his earlier vote and attack on Beck over the non-committal stuff was weak and him trying to push something as scummy when it wasn't.

While the flavour discussion was slightly confusing and one of the reasons I struggled to get involved, I didn't like Scripten's stance on the issue.

As brought to light by others, I also didn't get why Scripten would find Grib's comments regarding flavor reasonable if it contradicted his own pm, surely it would make you a bit weary of it. But, Scripten has now soft-claimed, so he is on hold but hopefully he is being truthful about his claim come day 2.

Yungh0mo

- I've also recently spoke of finding Yungh suspicious but I'm not sure if things moved a little too fast on his wagon and someone was maybe being opportunistic.

I'm not sure whether both Beck and Scripten will both be scum and have just been bussing each other. Probably not, I think Scripten will probably have proof day 2. Still need to look into some other players but Null to slightly leaning town on Mathdino for his #235, it's a post I see coming from town not scum but now waiting for a response to a question I put to him. Null on Grib, beyond the flavor stuff I don't see much else of a case there. Leaning town on Insanity to, like the way she is questioning people.

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He just comes across like newb-town. He is trying to present his view on things, just because he repeats himself or agrees with what other people say, I don't see how that makes him scum.

It makes his posts look like they contain more helpful towny content than they actually do. Which is obviously great for him if he is scum.

It also means he can avoid criticism for any arguments he makes. As he can just say 'insanity came up with that idea first and I just thought it made sense; you should give her a hard time about it instead.' Again, could be helpful for scum.

p-edit: I think Beck has been suspicious of Finn before now?

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If Finn tried to deflect attention from himself in that way (oh well Insanity said it first) I would insta-vote him. That is very different to what we're talking about here.

I would fully expect Finn to explain his own thought processes and reasons.

The point is that he hasn't really done this.

And it is still why scum would have the motivation to hide behind someone else's reasoning.

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The point is that he hasn't really done this.

Qft

...Ok?

@BBT, I realised.

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I do not support a Beck lynch. I would vote for Grib before voting Beck but would prefer {FinnLaw, Majiffy}

Can we get back to lynching BBT now? Or anyone, really?

At this point I probably wouldn't even have the energy to fight a Grib lynch much

, I've already posted all my thoughts.

Considering that you had one vote on you at the time, why were you even thinking of getting lynched?

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{Beck, Insanity, FinnLaw}
Scum, in order of strength

Why? Why and why?

Coasting on a basic reads list does not make up for your predecessor's complete lack of actual content.

insanity

is pinging me but I'm having issues explaining it. I think my main issue is her case on FinnLaw; it seems rather opportunistic, and she's been consistently going after people who are being useless rather than scummy. She had a scumread on Beck earlier but nothing came of that, instead making a case on Finn and then wagoning Yung.

FoS: her

Did you miss where I explained how posting said such uselessness could be beneficial as a scum player?

I have not had a scumread on Beck.

Insanity is probably SK if we have one fyi.

There is a tell that the first person to SK hunt is actually the SK...

@

Grib

, would someone unvoting affect your decision to vote for Beck?

p-edit: Seems like you're more convinced that Beck is 'dumb' than actually scum.

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Remind me why you think BBT is scum? Or was it just his reaction to the carnivores are scum mistake.

Also, what do you think of Finn?

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Huh. You are mostly right. The only other thing I can see is unhappiness with your naked Scripten vote.

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^Is addressing Grib.

I did question BBT and ended up happy with his response to one of my concerns about him. (posts 330-334)

Well, we might have to disagree about FinnLaw. I am definitely reluctant to write him off as being simply newbie town.

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I think Grib is now at L-1

BBT, why has Grib overtaken Beck as your stronger scumread?

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I agree that that Grib's intent to hammer was a bit shady (particularly if he though Beck was dumb instead of town) but I don't think he scum slipped.

While I don't think outing flavour names would be harmful, I also do not see what it manage to achieve.

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I agree that that Grib's intent to hammer was a bit shady (particularly if he though Beck was dumb instead of

town

scum

) but I don't think he scum slipped.

While I don't think outing flavour names would be harmful, I also do not see what it

will

manage to achieve.

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Mathdino, I feel like I know what you are getting at - but I also think that the explanation would be easily fakeable by scum - particularly if a couple of town people have already been popcorned before them.

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Yeah, I think Grib is town.

I could buy a BBT/FinnLaw team actually.

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@Mod, I will be V/LA until October 31

>> Noted<<

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I am back.

Will post in a few hours.

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I'm not sure what your point is here. Are you saying that because I am scum-reading someone that everything they say is wrong and irrelevant? Are you saying that because I think he is scum, I must be right, and therefore he cannot make any good points/provide good arguments?

Well if you are scumreading someone, that means you think they are trying to mislynch town and are therefore are usually suspicious of any argument they might make. Unless you think that they're bussing.

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Hey

Majiffy

, while it's nice to see your SK speculations, I would much prefer seeing your actual reads instead? Or even any general thoughts about the current game state.

{Beck, Insanity, FinnLaw}
Scum, in order of strength

Why? Why and why?

You even quoted the post where I asked this.

I support lynching Majiffy. The only drawback would be how low information that would be.

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It's also got to do with the fact that no one in the history of this game has been opposed to lynching Majiffy's slot, since it's kinda useless.

This is kinda why it is low information.

Holy shit.

Waiting for Grib to post, but I think I've figured this out.

...Please enlighten us?

Also sorry but I've just started

skipping

skimming BBT and Grib's back and forth.

I am at: While I completely understand BBT's initial reaction to Grib's herbivore mistake, I think Grib is right that BBT just sits on that as a 'scum slip' (which it isn't) and doesn't justify his continuing scum read. In fact, I'm still not sure what BBT's actual case is.

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Hey BBT, please summarise in 3 dot points or less why you think Grib is scum.

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On Beck, I know that town will do that also. (I mislynched town for virtually the same thing in my previous game)

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Eugh...so many pages overnight.

HI MAJIFFY, WHAT IS YOUR REASONING FOR ANY OF THE SCUMREADS/TOWNREADS/ANYTHING RELATED TO THE GAME YOU HAVE?

All you have done is lol at and dismiss the people who find you scummy. And you know what that sounds like - scum.

And since we are talking about retroactivity, why did you scumread Beck

before

he started supporting your lynch?
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I would say that Pine is the most under-the-radar player right now.
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BBT, summarize why Mathdino's vote was scummy. Just a couple points. Or at least specific posts.

738, 740, 743, 749 and 752

This is not a summary. I believe Mathdino when he says that he thought you were already at L-1 with Pine likely to hammer. Please quote the posts that you say already refuted Grib's hypocrisy case by the time he made it. (585)

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I've been waiting a long time for something even resembling an explanation to this. Please excuse me if my belief in Majiffyscum has become cemented.

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{Beck, Insanity, FinnLaw}
Scum, in order of strength

Why? Why and why?

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Ah, yes, 3 days.

A long time.

12 pages.

25 posts from Majiffy.

Your point?

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Ok thanks, that really clears everything up.

And your recent behavior can pretty easily be interpreted as reinforcement of my beliefs.

Spoiler:

So can yours

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You know, town are usually

more

willing to give up reads if they are about to be lynched.

Lol at my top scumreads all voting Beck.

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So I'm fine with Scripten hammering.

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Im here, on phone atm.

I don't see what majiffys done that makes him suddenly town.

Scripten, you clearly have no problem with voting majiffy. Why the aversion to hammering before?

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The scum motivation would be - he thinks he will be lynched anyway and therefore by not contributing doesn't give up any clues as to who his partner would be.

Pine, Remnd me why you are scum reading grib?

So what if majiffy was a different counterwagon to who pine thought he was?

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Just chiming in in the middle of writing up a summary, that Majiffy is always a stubborn douchebag, and that's why we love him. Not alignment indicative.

There is a difference between stubborn and 'im about to get lynched so I dont actually care about telling town what I think so that they end up lynching scum' which is effectively what majiffy is doing

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What useful information?

Wouldn't you expect town to do the last words thing?

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VCA is still something.

Yes, I would. However the reason that scum would avoid contributing too much is because they expect to be lynched and they don't want associations to be drawn. Scumajiffy clearly expected to be lynched there. He'd be crazy not to have, what with people threatening to hammer right next to the deadline. So why take the time to make that post above? Doesn't take nearly as much effort to bicker with Beck.
I think that post was him giving in and creating a last words post before Scripten finally decided to hammer. Not sure why scum would do that.

That is not a VCA. That post is a set of VCs without the A.

How much effort does it take to simply count the number of votes different wagons had at different stages?

Did Majiffy ever mention who could be scum based on how they moved across the wagons? No. Or why {Beck/me/FinnLaw} are scum based on where we are voting? Nope.

So, what am I missing here?

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So yeah. Sorry for any heart attacks.

*grumble grumble*

GG town! Even though it was extremely stressful watching

some

of you.

Congrats to Pine for dragging it out and nearly confusing everyone at the end of the game.

Thanks very much for modding ArcAngel! And I loved that tribute video! <3

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I would definitely be interested in your games in the future Arc! Once I get back from V/La though.

Lol Mathdino, good thing I died then! The only reason I seemed quiet was because people (such as you :p) were posting too much! Day 1 was crazy long. ..

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Thanks fferyllt! Killed night 1 is better than mislynched day 1 lol.

Yeah, I wish we had the chance to discuss more. I remember really liking some of your catch up posts!

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Better read & watch it now Beck