Touhou: MitLoF ~ Makai Mix (Game Over)

[Time]

The Time has come.

~MTD

[Time]

Is getting reads worth coming off this scummy early?

Obviously? Why would he care about whether he's scummy or not?

~Wis

cause Quicklynches tend to happen.

~MTD

[Time]

Nonon is town, mollie is probs town.

~MTD

(also I'd actually like to synch with Aronis sometime, what I am saying up to now is entirely me unsynched...)

[Time]

pedit: explain mollie town

Cause this doesn't look like scum-mollie to me?
tbf I don't think I ever played with town-mollie so I don't have the comparison, but to me this doesn't look like her scumgame.
And just a heads-up: I am generally not gonna explain my townreads if I don't have to (i.e. if they are not in danger of being lynched or put the rest of the town off track for too long)

~MTD

[Time]

I will wait for Aronis before posting anymore now, tho

~MTD

[Time]

Can someone explain the Kagami wagon, please?

[Time]

sup

anyone wanna tell me stuff I should have an opinion on right now?

Otherwise I'M gonna look for questions directed at us while reading up.

~MTD

[Time]

sup

anyone wanna tell me stuff I should have an opinion on right now?

Otherwise I'M gonna look for questions directed at us while reading up.

~MTD

What's the case on Kagami again? Beside the case I've already responded to.

look who showed up!

bet they won't do a thing

Thanks for the help! It just shows you what some people are like. So

kind, helpful, and considerate

. Anyways, while we may not be doing extremely pro-town stuff, at least we aren't spamming the thread.

[Time]

my point is:


scum lurk. its a thing. not a "null tell".

if given the opportunity to do nothing, they will. at least some players.

its null. Town lurk too.

~Wis

it is NOT null

Spoiler: analogy

liking boys is a "girl tell". if you like boys, you are more likely to be female than male. but males like males too. so what? the fact still stands

The only reason liking boys is a girl tell is because it is more common for them to like boys. So you're saying that scum lurk more then town, which is most likely false considering an average of 75% of players are generally town.

[Time]

That's just 5 people. 16 people are posting normally. Which means the game is moving normally. You're just lurking, no excuses.

~Wis

You mean 14?

Dreams- 336
Curiosity- 390

That's more than double the person with the third most posts, hardly normal.

[Time]

From first glance I agree with nopoint, but I will reread before voting.

Wis, why alch?

~MTD

[Time]

Tons of buzzwords. You also neglected pretty much every post I made between the ones you quoted which clearly stated that I was weary of the day and wanted some flip, any flip. Kagami's townflip makes Jakuzure's ISO much more lynchable now that we finally have a flip.

VOTE: Jakuzure Nonon

Now, this won't change until one of us is dead, nor will I produce any more relevant content until one of us is dead.

How does Kagami's flip in any way make Nonon more lynchable?

~MTD

[Time]

Also, you are saying you actively lynched a town player just to make the others believe more in your scumread on another player?
That sounds almost as bad as fakeclaiming to me...

~MTD

[Time]

as an excuse to not produce more content.

Lolno, it is true I mostly focused on you, but I in no way used that as an excuse

~MTD

[Time]

I am seriously considering policy lynching haj right now (I have no scumread on him, but he does hurt town, and even admits to it), but I guess that'll have to wait.

Wis, answer question?

I do not like the voteswitch, but I still need more of a case

~MTD

[Time]

npiau is not a lurker?

Pedit: 1st: I made 5 posts today I think?
2nd: The only place I said I though you were scummy was when I agreed with npiau, and that was indeed a misunderstanding on his part, so.

~MTD

[Time]

Time/Fei hydra are two scum.

Ooooh, how convenient.

~MTD

[Time]

Time/Fei hydra are two scum.

Neither is

~Wis

This posting is getting on my nerves.

Well yours is getting on mine.

Still waiting for comment on Alch from Wis.

~MTD

[Time]

You know what would be fun?
Just setting you on my ignore list.
I wouldn't really lose anything for the game it seems, and it would make it much nicer.

~MTD

[Time]

@Wis
Ok, I am not as sure about Om, but I can see that I guess.
More rereading coming my way, yay.

~MTD

[Time]

You seem to have given up right after the post, you didn't even try to derail the Kagami wagon in any posts after you said it was a bad wagon. I could see that you wanted a flip, but it's quite bad logic to want a flip on a wagon you didn't think would turn out to be scum. You actually had posts after that didn't remotely concern the Kagami wagon, which feels like you're coasting.

Also, you are saying you actively lynched a town player just to make the others believe more in your scumread on another player?
That sounds almost as bad as fakeclaiming to me...

~MTD

Yep.

It's terrible play, but it's not necessarily scum.

[Time]

npiau hasn't really done enough for me to have a clear opinion on.
I don't think we have done enough for you to really have a clear opinion on us.

~MTD

[Time]

I'd go with Om or Beast.

VOTE: Om

What? I am a little confused on why my name is there.

You said you hated naked votes, but I never saw any reasons for your votes, neither before, during, or after. Can you provide evidence to the contrary?

How does that make him scum?

~MTD

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VOTE: pie

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UNVOTE:

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urgh, prod received.

[Time]

Hi guys.

[Time]

Jakuzure is probtown to me because of caled's posts.
Haj is probtown because I don't see his behavior coming from scum.

I don't see an instant solution to our situation. However blindly lynching two people who are probably town is not it.

Maybe a haj claim. But I still dislike it because we've given tons of claims to scum already and I hate it.

~Wis

Lynch haj then. His play has been terrible so far. First things first, if I had that guilty I would announce it right away considering the situation. Plus up until recently, he was very active. But suddenly disappeared with hopes of avoiding shedding any more light on the troubling situation. Jakuzure has been alot more helpful then him. And while haj could flip town, I doubt we'll miss him. In the event he does flip some sort of Cop, then lynch Jakuzure tomorrow. I'd rather get rid of him and potentially his PR that we have no idea about, instead of losing a good townie and then him.

If you're really so worried about excessive claiming, mass claim. It has alot more benefits then half of us claiming and the downsides aren't really that big of a deal.

[Time]

Haj, would you please Flavor Claim?

[Time]

So what has happened here lately? Don't have time to read all but i read something about a guilty or something.

Haj is fake claiming a guilty on Jakuzure. So we're getting ready to policy lynch him.

[Time]

Fake claiming? are you sure about that?

85.5% sure.

[Time]

Sakura -- give me a run down on why Saki-town?
I'm really leaning scum on him.

~M

How do you feel about mass claiming atm?

Pedit: Could you post in your hydra account?

Pedit2: Could you flavor claim, haj?

[Time]

Also I might be liking one of Alch / Time for scum.

~M

Preedit:

I don't like you either die.
Preedit2: (Not to Sukura)
Preedit: 3 Hi scum! and No.

Could you answer my question in #3456?

[Time]

If haj doesn't claim. Put him to L-1, if that doesn't work. Hammer him. Problem solved. It's not that hard to get a claim really.

Pedit: Oh, I don't see it? Oh well.

[Time]

inb4lyncher

People will sadly use this as an excuse to not lynch you.

CLAIM YOUR FLAVOR OR I WILL DAYVIG YOU.

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inb4lyncher

People will sadly use this as an excuse to not lynch you.

CLAIM YOUR FLAVOR OR I WILL DAYVIG YOU.

^thats better

[Time]

inb4lyncher

People will sadly use this as an excuse to not lynch you.

CLAIM YOUR FLAVOR OR I WILL DAYVIG YOU.

^thats better

(expired on 2014-10-31 01:26:53) until I shoot.

[Time]

Goddammit.

VOTE: haj

[Time]

Can we lynch haj now? Anyone who believes his guilty is an idiot. Lynching him will make a much more peaceful and better environment.

[Time]

If this is what it takes. :sigh:

VOTE: Jakuzure

[Time]

sooo, what's happening? i feel kinda lost

There's a guilty on Jakuzure.

[Time]

Ok. Let's do an experiment together. Saki, you're a tracker. You target me. You see me visit Wisdom. Antihero dies. What do you do?

You're forgetting one key element. Saki isn't an incompetent fool.

[Time]

The claim and Gaiden's confirmation makes me doubt Jakuzure is scum.

Why does fruit vendor = town?

Look at this question you never answered.

It doesn't. It doesn't mean scum either. I was taking pie's advice on listening to Haj's guilty, which was why I thought it was odd when pie unvoted.

If Haj is a tracker-type role, then Jakuzure's claim and Gaiden's confirmation explain why Haj may have interpreted the result as a guilty.

ummm... what?

[Time]

I was the captain. We knew the maid was town, we didn't know that he had to follow orders though. He investigated for what it's worth.

[Time]

MTD I see you. get in here and claim your actions already plz and thx

Investigate Curiosity, Night 1. Idk if we sent one in yesterday, Ill check. I guess it doesnt matter that much now though.

VOTE: haj

~policy

[Time]

MTD I see you. get in here and claim your actions already plz and thx

Investigate Curiosity, Night 1. Idk if we sent one in yesterday, Ill check. I guess it doesnt matter that much now though.

VOTE: haj

~policy

Yeah, I dont think we did anything Day 2.

Why are you so afraid of being investigated, Wisdom?

[Time]

Thinking about it overnight wis is my strongest townread. I've still got some pretty strong town reads though.

I have 0 reservations with

VOTE: Om

I'll be back to talk after I get off work.

Pretty sure Curiosity is innocent based on this post.

[Time]

We were controlling Jingle, but in all fairness, we had no idea about who we were controlling. Just their town status and flavor name.

[Time]

did you miss the fact I'm a mason and thus conftown? lel

~Wis

I havent really read that much.

[Time]

Yeah, I dont think we did anything Day 2.

so why would you not use your action?

~Wis

pedit: You didn't know their abilities?

Because we had to use it during the day and so I'm not used to that, plus MTD has disappeared off the face of the earth, so trying to figure out what we were gonna do is a headache.

Investigate, Track, or Bodyguard me.

[Time]

Bodyguard

you

? Not anyone in general?

~Wis

Yes. Bodyguard me or do something else. I couldn't say bodyguard Wisdom or anything.

[Time]

Huh.
So then, assuming Time is telling the truth, Jingle didn't die BGing someone.
In which case I fail to see why he died

~Wis

He got night killed by the mafia?

[Time]

@mollie time orders jingle to do one of his actions during the day, he gets the order at night, accepts or declines it.

@pie jingle town doesnt mean time town. Such a role could also be scum.
Also I dont really buy they shot.jingle over MS or us, but whatever.

~Wis

But according to his Role PM, he had to do what I said, we just didnt know that.

I find it very hard to believe we'd kill Jingle at this time when we could've easily manipulated him in the coming days. Maybe later on for town credit or something. But why on earth would I kill my potential bodyguard night 2? I get told if he follows orders, so obviously if he stopped following orders I might shoot him, but as long as he does what I say and he had to, he's an untraceable scum PR. Besides, in what world of yours does the mod confirm scums flavor? Im like an Innocent Child right now.

[Time]

Wtf. We have to lynch haj right now. There is no way in hell he can fake that and get away with it.

[Time]

Wtf. We have to lynch haj right now. There is no way in hell he can fake that and get away with it.

Do you have proof he is faking?

Jakuzure flipped Town, dummy.

We're not lynching haj
As much as I like lynching Alchemist, the wagon being so popular now doesn't sit well with me

VOTE: npiau

~Wis

Is your goal in life to just be unhappy and make everyone else miserable? Because you're doing great!

Pedit: Whats with the excessively large votes?

[Time]

What does that have to do with your vote being larger than the empire state building?

I don't think I've ever seen Dan play protown though.

[Time]

Hi guys, I'm back. Should I vote or defend AD?

[Time]

Mod, Aronis is replacing Time. MTD disappeared.

VOTE: ActionDan

This better be real.