Through the Looking-Glass [Game Over]

[Katsuki]

2. In what world do I (as scum) win here? Don't you think I would have killed anyone but DV and lynch Desp? I mean sure, I could persuade KATS to Desp, but why wouldn't I have voted Desp earlier today? I literally made it much more difficult for the scumteam to win here

This is the only reason I haven't hammered you yet. But the last time I used the "I'm totally here to hammer X, so I'll hammer Y instead!" I mishammered. Why should I make the same mistake twice?

I love WIFOM. I really do.

But a quick win in Lylo > long and wifomy.

Why would I go after KATS as scum when I could have had an easier time crossing you and talking Kats?

(Or just killing Kats last night and putting an end to this by humping his leg)

You know, I wouldn't put anything past you, ESPECIALLY after the shit you pulled in [REDACTED]. Your scumplay is very unconventional and unpredictable, and I've learned that there is method to your madness.

[Katsuki]

Oh did we ever mention that I'M FUCKING CLEARED GIVEN THAT THERE'S ONLY 3 SCUM AND TD DIED MEANING THAT I COULDN'T POSSIBLY BE HIS BUDDY ELSE HE WOULD NEVER HAVE DIED TO THE VIG SHOT?!?!?

LOLOL GG SALA

I mean, you could just be a lying bastard. And as genuine as your vanilla doc before DV's vanilla vig claim was, it also could have been a mod-provided fakeclaim.

If you think it's a fakeclaim then there's not much I can say tbh. That's something that you need to decide, but I am a vanilla doc, and my play this game has been nothing but town motivated.

Just look at Sala this page, he's grasping at whatever straws he can hoping one sticks in your mind (eg. fake day actions (not even alignment indicative, if anything protown), misreps like #2506 (nacho had me read as town but ofc sala goes and cherrypicks a post where nacho mentions 'kat' and 'scum' together even when he's not calling me scum), and #2508 (more straws). None of these even indicate me as scum yet he's hoping they make me look bad (they don't).

As for the night actions, you'll have to ask Sala post-game, I can't guess at why he made the ones he did outside of the Notty kill N4. I'd hate to lose to Sala scum but if I get lynched because of how he managed to explain how he set up this LYLO then I have nothing to say. I ask that you look at his play and his sudden bloodlust now that he smells my lynch coming. If you want me to detail how I'm town or how Sala is scum I'm sure I can, but I'm apparently not alignment confirmed in your mind so I would expect you to question what I say, whereas you know you're town and thus know that at least your thinking is coming from town. Whether it's right or wrong we'll see I guess, but in my mind, Sala is pretty obviously scum and when he realized that there was a very small chance of me voting you, he decided to turn on me and hope to achieve the mislynch that way. Hopefully you'll see the light and I'm happy to answer any concerns you have if I can, but that's really the most I can do for you at this point. Ultimately, the game is in your hands, and I hope we can pull this through.

This dumb doc ability DOESNT make you a saint, it's dumb and I guarentee you that DV was strongarmed or you were weak, explaining the TD kill. Your ability may be hindered to where it doesn't matter if you protect your scumbuddy at all.

So your theory is that FG has 3 vanilla scum (I might as well be given what you're spewing) against a shit-ton of town power? Ok.

Also, care to explain why I as scum am bothering to cross you when I could have crossed Desp because we agreed in the PT that it was Desp/Nati/both?

It's unfortunate when things don't end up going your way. This much is obvious, you were going off of my reads from N4 in the Alice QT, but when D6 started, you didn't expect me to lean towards you. This is especially clear when you see how my the day developed with my posting (#2474, #2480), and how you decided to go on me after seeing those posts of mine all but ready to vote for you. If I hadn't posted that, I imagine you would've gone with your original plan of voting Desp.

[Katsuki]

Ive already stated the possibilties of your claim.

Pretty sure I started the day with "both alices are town," so why would I pull a 180°?

Im missing the part where you changed from Desp/Nati to Me.

1)

Because my reads wern't what you expected them to be, and you sensed danger.

2)

That's precisely what fell apart in your plan. Reads change when there's 6 alive and when there's 3, and you failed to account for the possibility that I might find you scummier.

[Katsuki]

A lot of his stances this game have been convenient.

Not to mention I would not have shot notty N4 as scum given what was said in the ALice QT. Since we now know that scum was in the QT that night, notty wasn't shot by someone with no knowledge of what occurred in there that night. I would've just sheeped the confirmed town in voting Sala given his threat of self-voting if notty voted him rather than shooting him.

I need you to try this post again because I'm not really getting what you're saying.

What are you not getting about it?

@Desp #plsmakemecrytearsofjoynotsorrow

[Katsuki]

Oh.

Notty: Convince me not to instavote Sala

*Sala tries unsuccessfully to convince notty he's not scum by saying that he wouldve hammered RC*

Sala: GG IMMA ARONIS

If I were scum I would've just kept notty because there's nothing more town than sheeping conftown + guaranteed mislynch.

[Katsuki]

Ya I only spent 3+ days calling DV/Nati scum, but apparently I was already thinking of 3p LYLO before we even had less than 10 alive and also it's a setup when I have to reevaluate my reads after my scumreads flipped town.

Desp if you can't see how ridiculous it is that Sala is even saying that I lynched my scumread for a good portion of the game because I couldn't convince her to vote with me in LYLO then I really don't know what to say. His train of thought and approach has been actively scum motivated.

[Katsuki]

I'm not sure how I hedged unless 95/5 (or was it 90/10 I said I forget) is hedging, in which I really should go become a hedge fund manager!

[Katsuki]

I honestly do think that our approaches in LYLO is one of the biggest differences differentiating between our play and alignment.

[Katsuki]

That's some quality scumhunting and pushing then if asking if it was possible for you to diverge from my "known" towntrend of your reads being bad. They were made in a more joking manner but I'll be honest, also with the mindset that I was hoping I wasn't wrong about you (I have a terrible track record in LYLO. At least this game, I'm not the one who needs to decide like I normally am = =). Turns out I wasn't.

That reminds me of a time when Patrick decided to kill off quadz, leaving me, a confirmed mason and Fate together with him in LYLO. My first statement was that "you couldn't possibly be cheeky enough to leave me alive right, Patrick?". I then spent maybe the next 5 mins pressuring Fate and being all agreeable with Patrick while making Fate's life uncomfortable, and Singer visibly raging thinking that I was terrible at mafia and thinking that I was going to throw the game. Nacho (her hydra buddy, and masons with me) however knew what I was doing and told singer there was no way I'd lose the game. He knew that I already knew Patrick was scum the moment the day started, but I wanted to make things interesting (which is an excuse for trolling Fate, and Patrick for that matter into thinking he had me fooled, that evil mastermind).
The moral of this story is that here, you need to be more like Nacho in understanding my play, and less like Singer, who hadn't the slightest clue as to what I was doing.

[Katsuki]

Since apparently another mod feels that I tried to break site rules and wants to take it up with the list mod, I may not have much time depending on how the mod portrays my action and whether not they will go with his version without hearing me out. At least for this game, I feel I have said pretty much everything I need, and that I've left everything on the table.

If I do get replaced which would be utterly retarded if I do... wait that would be a modkill.

Desp if you can please make a decision ASAP. At the very least, if you end up going for me I wish it was by your decision and not because we lost the game on a modkill.

[Katsuki]

I wasn't playing a strong town game here.

ya but you played a rather decent scumgame, and a very good one if you pull off the win here.

As for desp and I, I don't think we really have much of a backstory, at least I don't think I've actually interacted much with him at all despite the number of games we've played in together now (I don't even remember half of them because I didnt talk to him XD)

[Katsuki]

WOOOOOOOOOOOO WE WIN

GG SALA
DESP DONT LISTEN TO HIM BB HE'S FULL OF NOTHING BUT LIES AND DECEIT

[Katsuki]

Nah don't be sorry, DV was the towniest person alive so it was the logical NK, I just couldn't refute why sala would've killed me instead of DV.

Fun game stressful LYLO. Sala raised some points that did suggest me as scum but they were night actions and thus easily setupable.

[Katsuki]

Thanks for modding FG and great flavor once again!

[Katsuki]

I think FG games are the only games I'll continue playing they're too good to pass up!

/prein for next

p.s. your easter egg suggests a redux of Through the Looking Glass

[Katsuki]

o ya those court QTs are pretty depressing

[Katsuki]

I loved it too much! Couldn't ask for a better role~

[Katsuki]

Oh ya so I was going to post this post-game:

i would policy lynch nacho

Shall we I would love nothing more than a Nacho V/LA lynch.

Shall we I would love nothing more than a Nacho V/LA lynch

i will auto-hammer any nacho wagon that reaches L-1 and my vote is always on nacho in spirit. but i doubt we can make it happen

Hey guys so I got a daycop guilty on nacho...

KILL IT WITH FIRE

UNVOTE, VOTE: NACHO

Vote: Nacho

i believe katsuki. cupcake is probably actually a day cop and i believe cupcake has a result on nacho

Not sure how we managed to get a lolwagon out of it but was so worth! I would've done this regardless of alignment. A pity that muffin is no longer with us to enjoy it.

[Katsuki]

DV I still hate you for making my QT a lonely and barren place.
Also I'm just curious, what made you decide to shoot who you did?

[Katsuki]

So technically 4/4 shooting, what a player.

[Katsuki]

The only vanilla role I've heard of before is Vanilla Cop and I was NOT expecting another vanilla role. XD

[Katsuki]

Did I ever mention that FG gave me a death sentence with both my flavour AND role fakeclaim? Cheeky troll mod

[Katsuki]

I think my games are cursed.

Scum won the last 8 games I modded.

So THAT'S why this game was so heavily townsided. Fucking scumbag!

[Katsuki]

It was incredibly hard trying to sway DV away from wanting my lynch and casting doubt onto his reads. I managed to do so for a short while, only for him to still vote me anyways! I was lucky that the 4-scum theory took hold so that some of the suspicion could be alleviated onto someone else (which turned out to be desp), but it was something for DV to reevaluate after the things I said, and still think me as scum.

[Katsuki]

ya i was like "fucking konowa" when you guys didnt flip masons.

and pls dont shoot me thats just plain mean

[Katsuki]

IM BULLETPROOF
NOTHING TO LOSE
FIRE AWAY, FIRE AWAY

YOU SHOOT ME DOWN
BUT I WONT FALL
I AM THE MEMORIES OF ALL THAT IS PURE
I AM DARK ALICE
THE ALICE OF MEMORIES