Micro 407: Jurassic Park Mafia - Game Over

Scripten · Post Post #650 (ISO) » Thu Oct 30, 2014 7:25 am

OH!

BBT is at L-1. Nobody hammer without claiming intent first, please.

ArcAngel9 · Post Post #651 (ISO) » Thu Oct 30, 2014 7:55 am

VOTE COUNT - 1.11

Scripten-

BlueBloodedToffee-

Grib, Mathdino, Beck, Scripten (L-1)

Grib-

Pine, BlueBloodedToffee

Beck-

FinnLaw, Majiffy

Pine-

FinnLaw-

Majiffy-

insanity018

Not Voting

With 9 alive it takes 5 for a lynch and 4 for no lynch.

Day 1 ends in (expired on 2014-11-05 09:36:00)

insanity018 is on V/LA until October, 31 2014.

Scripten · Post Post #652 (ISO) » Thu Oct 30, 2014 7:57 am

Mod: My vote is on BBT, not Grib.

>>I dont know what you're talking about....

fixed.ty

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Grib · Post Post #653 (ISO) » Thu Oct 30, 2014 10:07 am

Majiffy might be scum.

Beck · Post Post #654 (ISO) » Thu Oct 30, 2014 10:11 am

In post 653, Grib wrote:Majiffy might be scum.

He's not following the flowchart so its certainly possible

Grib · Post Post #655 (ISO) » Thu Oct 30, 2014 10:18 am

He's not doing

anything

. And when he does, it's not really relevant to the current discussion. Which is the exact opposite of how he should be acting, especially since his slot did literally nothing.

Hell, he's talked straight to the mod twice, and to most of the players zero times.

Scripten · Post Post #656 (ISO) » Thu Oct 30, 2014 10:35 am

Are you happier with a BBT lynch or a Majiffy lynch? I'd honestly be happier with a Majiffy lynch atm. There's pretty much nothing supporting that slot being town.

Mathdino · Post Post #657 (ISO) » Thu Oct 30, 2014 10:54 am

Dear god Scripten you better have a good reason you're town tomorrow because in your BBT votepost I had a real flash of "Oh shit he IS scum".

Yeah I think at this point I could get behind a Majiffy wagon. You'd think he'd say

something

about the wagons at hand. The SK hunting seems like it could be a nice excuse to mudsling some more.

That said I'm probably still happier with a BBT lynch, partially because it gives us more flip info. Majiffy's slot if town is just lynchbait. Might as well poll people.

Pine, Finn, BBT, insanity, thoughts on a Majiffy wagon?

Scripten · Post Post #658 (ISO) » Thu Oct 30, 2014 11:02 am

In post 657, Mathdino wrote:Dear god Scripten you better have a good reason you're town tomorrow because in your BBT votepost I had a real flash of "Oh shit he IS scum".

Can you explain this out? Is it because I changed my mind on a town read?

Grib · Post Post #659 (ISO) » Thu Oct 30, 2014 11:07 am

In post 656, Scripten wrote:Are you happier with a BBT lynch or a Majiffy lynch? I'd honestly be happier with a Majiffy lynch atm. There's pretty much nothing supporting that slot being town.

Are you trying to

appease

me? Do you realize that if it weren't for your softclaim, at this point I'd probably be leading a lynchwagon straight into your face? The way you're clinging to meta and trying to redirect the BBT wagon is raising flags.

I want BBT and Majiffy dead. Along with Pine. Maybe. Depends on if he ever returns.

In post 657, Mathdino wrote:Dear god Scripten you better have a good reason you're town tomorrow because in your BBT votepost I had a real flash of "Oh shit he IS scum".

Yeah I think at this point I could get behind a Majiffy wagon. You'd think he'd say
something
about the wagons at hand. The SK hunting seems like it could be a nice excuse to mudsling some more.

That said I'm probably still happier with a BBT lynch, partially because it gives us more flip info. Majiffy's slot if town is just lynchbait. Might as well poll people.

Pine, Finn, BBT, insanity, thoughts on a Majiffy wagon?

I keep getting violent flashes of "Scripten is scum, isn't he, fuck Beck for being right" but then I try to calm myself. It's okay, Grib, everything will be clear toMorrow, just relax.

Also yeah good point about lynchbait. We can kill him later.

Mathdino · Post Post #660 (ISO) » Thu Oct 30, 2014 11:16 am

In post 658, Scripten wrote:Can you explain this out? Is it because I changed my mind on a town read?

Because you waffled between whether or not it was a good case until it was clear this lynch was probably happening. It seems like you think BBT's town but don't want to do anything to stop the wagon.

On the bright side, if either BBT or Majiffy turns out to be scum, there's no way Scripten would out his partner, get him lynched, and then fail to deliver the next day.

Scripten · Post Post #661 (ISO) » Thu Oct 30, 2014 11:19 am

I'm trying to move onto a lynch that doesn't give me so many conflicting feelings. BBT's playstyle is scummy, simple as that. I can't control that, but I can try to keep us from lynching town as best I can. Majiffy's slot has been useless, so I'd be happier with his lynch.

And frankly, I just don't give a fuck how town people think I am in this game. My role can be confirmed, so I really just don't care. I'm tired and I have a massive multivariate calculus exam tomorrow that I'm studying for so I don't fail it. Forgive me being a little distracted.

Scripten · Post Post #662 (ISO) » Thu Oct 30, 2014 11:22 am

In post 660, Mathdino wrote:
Because you waffled between whether or not it was a good case until it was clear this lynch was probably happening. It seems like you think BBT's town but don't want to do anything to stop the wagon.

The case is fine. I just have experience playing with BBT and realize that everything in that case is part of how he plays as town. Tunneling and hypocrisy/wildly swinging reads included. All I have is meta and a gut feeling. And BBT isn't even here to defend himself. (Though that isn't his fault.)

Grib · Post Post #663 (ISO) » Thu Oct 30, 2014 11:33 am

In post 661, Scripten wrote:I'm trying to move onto a lynch that doesn't give me so many conflicting feelings. BBT's playstyle is scummy, simple as that. I can't control that, but I can try to keep us from lynching town as best I can. Majiffy's slot has been useless, so I'd be happier with his lynch.

And frankly, I just don't give a fuck how town people think I am in this game. My role can be confirmed, so I really just don't care. I'm tired and I have a massive multivariate calculus exam tomorrow that I'm studying for so I don't fail it. Forgive me being a little distracted.

Look.

He can't rely on you to meta-save him every game. If he doesn't town it up, he gets lynched. Sucks for him. I think he's scum, and I really don't want him riding the "oh that's just how he plays as either alignment" pony to endgame. It's a shitty reason and we all know it.

Town!BBT case or he dies.

In post 662, Scripten wrote:The case is fine. I just have experience playing with BBT and realize that everything in that case is part of how he plays as town. Tunneling and hypocrisy/wildly swinging reads included. All I have is meta and a gut feeling. And BBT isn't even here to defend himself. (Though that isn't his fault.)

?

In post 594, Scripten wrote:Hypocrisy isn't usually a part of BBT's meta, either as scum or town, [...].

Scripten · Post Post #664 (ISO) » Thu Oct 30, 2014 11:43 am

In post 663, Grib wrote:
He can't rely on you to meta-save him every game. If he doesn't town it up, he gets lynched. Sucks for him. I think he's scum, and I really don't want him riding the "oh that's just how he plays as either alignment" pony to endgame. It's a shitty reason and we all know it.

Yeah, no, I get that. I would agree with that if lynching town wasn't, y'know, anti-town. His playstyle is always tough to read since it comes across as scummy all the time, even when he's town.

In post 662, Scripten wrote:The case is fine. I just have experience playing with BBT and realize that everything in that case is part of how he plays as town. Tunneling and
hypocrisy
/
wildly swinging reads
included. All I have is meta and a gut feeling. And BBT isn't even here to defend himself. (Though that isn't his fault.)

Red is what his behavior is being called. Blue is how I've been interpreting it. Specifically referring to him waffling on Beck.

Mathdino · Post Post #665 (ISO) » Thu Oct 30, 2014 11:46 am

Hey, Grib, remember those violent flashes?

I think I know what you mean...

Scripten · Post Post #666 (ISO) » Thu Oct 30, 2014 11:48 am

Jesus, someone just fucking hammer already then.

I'm not here to try to defend someone trying to manipulate their damn meta every game.

Mathdino · Post Post #667 (ISO) » Thu Oct 30, 2014 11:50 am

Pine hasn't been site-active in 2.5 days, it's not like he's active-lurking. Idk about insanity. That said

@Mod: Request prod on Pine.

Grib · Post Post #668 (ISO) » Thu Oct 30, 2014 11:55 am

It's hypocritical because we both wanted to lynch Beck at some point, but he's calling me scum for it.

Scripten, if you think he is town, make a case. If you can't, it's probably because he isn't town. This isn't difficult.

Grib · Post Post #669 (ISO) » Thu Oct 30, 2014 11:56 am

In post 668, Grib wrote:It's hypocritical because we both wanted to lynch Beck
for the same reasons
at some point, but he's calling me scum for it.

Scripten, if you think he is town, make a case. If you can't, it's probably because he isn't town. This isn't difficult.

Blah, fixed.

BBT claims he doesn't understand by reasoning (calling Beck dumb) when. It's very clear I wanted to lynch him for antitown shenanigans. Like. I had a post about how tunneling a provable town PR is really, really stupid. There is no ambiguity there.

Grib · Post Post #670 (ISO) » Thu Oct 30, 2014 11:57 am

*my, not by

typing mistakes make me upset okay

ArcAngel9 · Post Post #671 (ISO) » Thu Oct 30, 2014 11:57 am

In post 667, Mathdino wrote:

@Mod: Request prod on Pine.

I have already prodded Pine, He have 24 hours deadline to respond my prod. If he doesn't show up in-time, I will prod him again for a final time.

Scripten · Post Post #672 (ISO) » Thu Oct 30, 2014 12:10 pm

In post 668, Grib wrote:
Scripten, if you think he is town, make a case.

Like I said, all I have is meta to go on. I have no justifications for his actions because I'm not him. I haven't thought Beck to be scum in ages, so I never really agreed with either of you. BBT's claim is that you wanted to lynch Beck for his behavior before it had become scummy. (According to BBT) BBT's pushing that as a case against you, I get it. I got to the point where I thought "If this were any other player, I'd have pushed their wagons way earlier" and that was the point where I joined on. I haven't left because I don't think my case for him being town is worthwhile enough to push.

Does that explain my position enough?

Mathdino · Post Post #673 (ISO) » Thu Oct 30, 2014 12:18 pm

Scripten's gonna have a hard time making that case without breaking the ongoing game rule, so let's just leave it at that. More important questions:

Scripten, is BBT town?
If so, who is scum?
If not, who is BBT's partner?

FinnLaw · Post Post #674 (ISO) » Thu Oct 30, 2014 12:40 pm

In post 632, Scripten wrote:
Finnlaw:
When you say the VT claim doesn't clear Beck as scum, are you meaning that you're operating on the assumption that BBT is 100% clearing Beck for the remainder of the game or that his current read on Beck has swung back toward town?

The post wasn't referring to either, I was just a disagreement with BBT on Beck's claim. BBT now viewed Beck as town because he claimed VT. I was saying that I don't see Beck claiming VT as meaning he's town as I would expect him to claim VT if scum in this situation.

But, in general I view it as BBT's current read on Beck has swung to town. Nobody should be 100% certain on a read unless they have proof, eg through a PR etc.