Open 575: Friends & Enemies-Together At Last (OVER)

[acryon]

Yeah, I still think we need a fresh perspective in here.

Paging Mala, BMWS, Riddleton, Newbie, Wgeurts

[Wisdom]

Isn't it though? If it's pertinent to the mason discussion, why is it not pertinent to the scumbuddy discussion?

A single doubt from Mala didn't make their defending each other/voting together any less obvious for them to be both scum.
The point here is Mathdino arguing that Mala never did something like that, which shows the stupidity of this whole thing. He's so sure things are like that that he's even changing the facts in his mind.

[Wisdom]

So this has been one giant exercise in moving the goalposts, as we've gone from "I never even considered they might be masons at all" to "it's not proof she's definitely a mason because X other WIFOMy things exist to invalidate its definitiveness and I'm just considering them all therefore it's ok that i'm pushing them as scum independently of each other"

Yeah, and it has moved to this because you are somehow 100% confident you have found the masons and use that as any decision making. Meanwhile, I still didn't think about such a thing at all when I made the post, and it still doesn't make sense for scum to do what I did. Which you're still failing at responding to, so

My job ultimately is not to convince you you're scum

Your job is to explain how something that makes zero sense for scum to do made you scumread me. You have temporarily made two people follow you, but they'll see they were stupid eventually.

[Mathdino]

Alright, I'll quit arguing. Let's keep things to this page until someone other than me, acryon, bork, Wisdom, and wgeurts posts so acryon's page top will be the first thing everyone sees.

wgeurts, obviously continue doing what you're doing.

[Mathdino]

I just have one question to ask, though.

Wisdom, what are you going to do if all your scumreads (NM, Mala, bork) flip town?

To answer that for myself (scumreads being Wisdom, Riddleton, Constantine) I'll turn to Malakittens and acryon.

[Wisdom]

I could look at Riddle and Constantine again. Maybe blindmewithscience. You, newbie, acryon and wgeurts are not people I would be lynching anytime soon.

[reinoe]

I didn't realize it was L-1. I'm not interested in a quick-hammer like last time, so I'm going to UNVOTE: for now.

Yo, before I continue unvotes and votes have to be on their own line. This unvote doesn't count.

[saulres]

MOD STUFF

Me again

VOTE COUNT!!!!

Wisdom- malakittens, Not_Mafia, borkjerfkin, acryon
borkjerkfin-
wgeurts-
St. Constantine The Hermit- Riddleton
Newbie-
Malakittens- wgeurts
Riddleton- St. Constantine
Not_Mafia-Wisdom
Mathdino-
blindmewithscience-
acryon-

not voting- blindmewithscience, Newbie, Mathdino

Riddleton is V/LA until 11/5/2014
malakittens is V/LA until 11/11/2014
Looking for a replacement for Not_Mafia


With 11 Alive it's 6 to lynch.
(expired on 2014-11-14 21:00:00)

A reminder that I'm not following the game, I'm just around in case reinoe needs some help.

[acryon]

UNVOTE:

[Mathdino]

BMWS is having RL trouble catching up. Newbie's not overly site active. wgeurts is presumably still working on his Mala tunnel and is likely in the past right now. Mala's asleep.

Riddleton's been actively posting in other games for days, including the past 12 hours.
So what's his problem?

[Mathdino]

I apologise, I didn't realise you were on V/LA, and your active lurking is site-wide.

Back to our regularly scheduled program.

[borkjerfkin]

To answer that for myself (scumreads being Wisdom, Riddleton, Constantine) I'll turn to

Malakittens

and acryon.

Can we convene on reasons for a BMWS townread? I agree with the read I just wanna see your reasoning
Also underlined is

[Riddleton]

V/LA maybe? Read my other games... I've said it there. So fuck off.


Not interested in the wisdom wagon. Here's my mala case as promised. I'll just do this now because I'm not in a great mood right now. Feel free to call it shit.

MalaKittens

a) I don't like Mala's interaction with Acryon and vote him in #92. It implies Mala has a problem with activity, saying that Acryon's interjecting and answering questions is scummy. I don't get it. Can you explain?

b) I really dislike #640, and the quote 'Can we not fish for masons'. This was the basis of my original scumread on her; I think it's scummy to be mason-hunting, particularly at early game. Constantine does this too, to a lesser extent but what differentiates her from Constantine regarding this is how she pushes the search for masons, and probes people for mason-information. For example, she asks Constantine in #661 for more information regarding this, as 'I doubt it's obvious who the masons are". To me, it's implying she wants more information on this, for example to have whom Constantine thinks is the masons to be revealed in-thread. People whom are hunting masons should stop. I've already said in an earlier post it's anti-town and only helps scum find them. Mala's mason-hunting is significantly worse than Constantine's due to how more inquisitive it comes across as.

c) As others have stated, the turnabout defence on VDA doesn't inspire me. #728, everyone pushing VDA is "an overeager scumbag". I don't like how she was so eager to run out the clock closer to the DL with VDA, considering it was pretty obvious he was not going to post and was going to lurk until he was eventually either lynched, or the clock ran out to a NL. The hammer at #898 came at an awkward time, and felt delayed to me. It felt like a delayed hammer on her partner, as it was becoming clear she couldn't avoid hammering him.
From this random somewhat awkward defence, Mala than changes in Twilight and states 'we probably lynched scum' (#911), and 'VDA is scum' (#918). She provided reasons for his apathy closer to lynch in #921, 'He could have fought the lynch, but he just gave up', which apparently weren't relevant before the hammer for some reason...?

[Riddleton]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: MalaKittens

[borkjerfkin]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: MalaKittens

stop being bad

[borkjerfkin]

Seriously I'm not going to put up with any more people filibustering the day with shit cases on Mala:

The mason team is Mala, N_M, and myself.

I can't fucking believe I had to type this out after everything today. Scum almost certainly already know (they certainly know neither Mala nor N_M is on the scumteam, so...)

Scum is in:

Wisdom
Riddleton/Constantine
Newbie/acryon
wgeurts/Mathdino/BMWS

If I had to put them into buckets of likelihood from greatest to least.

[borkjerfkin]

it shit.

It's shit.

[Riddleton]

Seriously I'm not going to put up with any more people filibustering the day with shit cases on Mala:

The mason team is Mala, N_M, and myself.

.

Why the fuck did you ouit the mason team like that?

[Riddleton]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Constantine

Very well.

[blindmewithscience]

Ok, I'm going to be

V/LA until maybe Saturday

. Really sorry bout this, but a ton of stuff going on in RL. I'll try to post when I can, but really stressed out right now . When I can, I'm going to ISO Wisdom, try to form my own opinions on him. Right now he's a null for me, because my main reason for saying he was town in D1 was because I thoughht wgeurts was scum (now that's not the case). So I'm unsure on him right now.
Ok.... A mason claim. Scum can't do a counterclaim, as they'd need 3 poeple. Would individually like each to explicitly verify this, just to make sure.

[Riddleton]

You do realise, bork, that they're going to be the next 3 NKs, and the game's going to be mountainous from herein, which favours scum?

[borkjerfkin]

Scum almost certainly already know (they certainly know neither Mala nor N_M is on the scumteam, so...)

I am giving town info I'm convinced scum already have. I don't care for your kneejerk 'emitting info is 100% bad' because there are at least three players (you, Wisdom, wgeurts) that are on the utter wrong track or scum hiding in that mess and you're wasting everyone's time.

[Riddleton]

Just say my case is shit, tell me to unvote and we can move on. It frustrates me that you've outed the mason team.

[borkjerfkin]

You do realise, bork, that they're going to be the next 3 NKs, and the game's going to be mountainous from herein, which favours scum?

I am convinced that was going to happen anyway. Certainly if it's Wisdom and his 'the whole mason team is my scumlist' schtick that I don't buy at all.

But I'm also forcing day play down a specific road.

[Riddleton]

I am giving town info I'm convinced scum already have.

I don't agree with this. If this was true, then a mason would have been killed yesterday. I know, NKA sucks, but this would be optimal play for scum.