Open 574: Stack the Deck [ABANDONED]

[droog]

I want the claim riddles

[Riddleton]

texcat, I've played 1, but I also kind of stalked his meta for something else, so I was already prepared for this game.

wgeurts, just put him at L-1... the fact that we wagoned texcat instead of randomidget was an arbitrary mistake.
Why would you ask for a claim if you're not willing to vote him?

Because he wants me to be a PR so he can kill me tonight.

Worst logic ever

[theslimer3]

Waaaiiiiitttttt. Don't hammer that person. Lemmie read and catch up first.

[theslimer3]

I'm off in a few hors I'll post then

[Mathdino]

Nominate slimer for MVP.

droog, are you declaring intent?

[Riddleton]

Alright, let's wait for slimer to catch up.

[droog]

Not yet
Still rereading
I forgot what my midget read looked like
During Rex/wgeurts

[Saki]

Due to a mod error, the game has to be abandoned. Sorry about that.

I'll clarify when I get the time to.

[Saki]

Sorry about that. There was a lot going on this weekend.

[Mathdino]

FIRST

[Saki]

Mod PT is here.

Gist of it is that I'm a stupid person and I gave town two PRs instead of four.

[Mathdino]

For anyone dead/spectating, we all did a bunch of PMing after the thread was abandoned and apparently what we got was:

texcat/wgeurts were scum, wgeurts was role cop, ABR was traitor. Scum picked daytalk and rolecop.
I was roleblocker.
slimer was vig.
We don't actually know what WP was, but other than that everyone was VT.

So basically texcat tried to kill Riddleton and I roleblocked her, and slimer was actually the one who killed DGB. Which explains pretty much everything after the claiming shenanigans. And also wgeurts suddenly coming up with the vig theory.

[Mathdino]

Goddammit never mind. Didn't see mod post.

[Mathdino]

Given that scum had daytalk, I'd be really interested in seeing those threads.

Can you unlock them, mod?

[Alchemist21]

I bet we find Wgeurts suggesting double bussing. :p

[texcat]

Actually I knew I was going to be in trouble, when the roleblocker and no kill came to light, and suggested that Wg bus me. I thought there were plenty of good reasons to suspect me. I'm not sure why he decided to lie and misrep me, but unfortunately that's when I lost it.

[texcat]

I was also amazed at how scummy Wg appeared. Perhaps because I knew he was scum. And yet no matter what he did, lying, misrepresenting, forcing claims, yall excused him and continued to find him town.

[Mathdino]

Yeah I pretty much figured "Okay, so the scum wouldn't send anyone who was under fire today to do the kill, so nix randomidget, DGB, ABR, and wgeurts. Shouldn't roleblock a widely townread player because scum knows tracker might take em and if they're a PR we're screwed." So then it was between Alchemist, WP, slimer, and texcat, and I just figured a lurker would be best option.

I'm still not sure whether the lying/misrepping was on purpose. I can definitely see the claimforcing to be on purpose and manipulating his meta to his favour.

[Alchemist21]

The funny thing is that when Riddleton told us not to speculate on the NK, I wondered why he would say that, then thought there might have been a vig/roleblocker combo. I didn't say anything then because I thought Riddleton was one of the PR's and knew what happened, and I didn't want him outted. When Texcat's claim happened, I thought about it again, but figured if the NK had been roleblocked we probably would have seen more attempts at roleblocker fishing before Texcat's claim.

[Riddleton]

Lol, I have a blind spot for seeing the line between newbie-play and scummy play, it seems. I suppose I'm too hesitant to start a wagon against someone where the points against them could have been easily explained by being new to MS's meta.

[Riddleton]

The funny thing is that when Riddleton told us not to speculate on the NK, I wondered why he would say that, then thought there might have been a vig/roleblocker combo. I didn't say anything then because I thought Riddleton was one of the PR's and knew what happened, and I didn't want him outted. When Texcat's claim happened, I thought about it again, but figured if the NK had been roleblocked we probably would have seen more attempts at roleblocker fishing before Texcat's claim.

It's because NK analysis sucks, seriously. A big bunch of WiFOM that doesn't really prove anything or amount to anything.

[Mathdino]

Yeah, and I mean, going through wgeurts's meta (I even accidentally read some of his games trying to meta other people), there's definitely a lot of that.

texcat, you said you knew I was RB, how'd you figure that? Was it just because I believed you too hard? All the mathematical stuff pretty much came out of my ass, haha. I admit there were quite a few logical fallacies in there.

Edit: nuuuuuu

[Mathdino]

He wasn't on anyone's radar day 1 as far as I know. Just wondering why town would roleblock textcat.

Also this was so scummy from my standpoint I don't even

[Alchemist21]

Lol, if you want to see math pulled from someone's ass, look at my explanation of my o571 scumslip:

Flum, I've been townreading you the whole game. Our working together since the last dayphase solidified that townread. When you asked me to put a percentage to my reads, my mind went into statistics logic mode, where they teach you that you are never 100% sure of your conclusions, and instead that you reach conclusions based on confidence intervals, 95% being the most common. My explanation for the 5% was weak, but only because I couldn't imagine any good scenario for it.

I should have put 100%, but enter the argument, "you can only be 100% sure of their alignments if you're scum."

You can tell this was a major "deer-in-the-headlights" moment.

[Albert B. Rampage]

He wasn't on anyone's radar day 1 as far as I know. Just wondering why town would roleblock textcat.

Also this was so scummy from my standpoint I don't even

That's because you were the roleblocker and I was questioning you indirectly.

Mod and other players: would you be willing to reboot this game with the same setup and players?