Micro 408: Maru's Mollas Grand Idea Mafia

[Pine]

No.

This is actually a really iffy role that I'd call semi-bastard

This is the problem, Constantine. You don't listen. Not that Flames and I are getting angry over you not listening

[Pine]

Feel free to "not believe our claims". The role gives a public message when used, so if it doesn't, lynch away

But right now, you're using this wit hunt as an excuse to do exactly zero real scumhunting, which makes me think you might be the legit scum here

[St Constantine the Hermit]

It is interesting how the story keeps changing. We are just learning that it is 1/3 of living players and not 3 players.

Flames also said that people need to target any player

, but again, your role and his don't match up. Because you're saying you need to be directly targeted. Let's not forget, it was

YOU who claimed for him

. Flames never said he was a bulletproof lightningrod. You did for him.

The worst part is that it doesn't actually get easier as it goes. If your claims are true, then

there are only 4 players that may possibly have a night targeting ability

. We can assume at least one of them is scum, and if that's true, then they have absolutely no incentive to target you, as

it furthers the town win condition, and raises the probability of them being caught

. The win condition is already semi impossible, but oh wait, all this is

reliant on the other 3 people having night targeting abilities

.

Maruchan, this would be a good time to stop the game if their claims are true, because there is literally no way their win condition is achievable. I just get the feeling that their claim isn't true. Maruchan did say that third parties are a threat to town.

It is a good thing I didn't miss this. No, scum have no incentive to target your non existent role. Affiliation? Seriously?
Here's a good model of what the game probably looks like now if your claims are true. It is definitely one of the two.

Town, Town, Town, Town, Town, Town, Third Party, Third Party, Scum
Town, Town, Town, Town, Town, Third Party, Third Party, Third Party, Scum

The players in bold are people who town HAVE to eliminate

.

Leaving them alive extends the game by at least two days if they don't target you

.
Whereas targeting you lowers the game by at least two days, and increases the probability of non claimed players being scum.
Bingo, it doesn't make any sense to target you.

If I was scum in this game, the first thing I would do was forment a fake claim, since this game contains many power roles.
But hey, wait! You said I was scum earlier. If you say it benefits me, who's obviously scum, to target you,

why are you telling others to lynch me?

Someone is playing against their non existent win condition...

The things in bold were dropped in the previous hormonal fit of rage you guys had.

[St Constantine the Hermit]

I haven't said anything unreasonable. Either Maruchan didn't give two shits when designing this game, or you're scum. That's simply how it is.

[St Constantine the Hermit]

I want to know the truth now. Flames said that three people need to target anyone in the game.
Pine says three players need to directly target them. Either one of them is lying, they have different win conditions, or again, the mod made a mistake.

[Pine]

It's really sad when the claimed TPs are doing more scumhunting than 83% of the claimed Town (Garmr, you're the 17%)

PE: Let's see, I already answered the part about me claiming for Flames (there was only one role in the Grand Idea thread that fit his bread crumbing). I don't get where you're inventing a 4 players who have a targeting ability from. I actually responded to that by reminding you, again, that it's 1/3 of LIVING players, not starting players. It gets easier for us to exit as the game goes on. Yes, Town has to eliminate the TPs, but they don't have to waste their very few lynches by doing so, lynching CoWs is super anti-Town.

And I'm telling other people to lynch you because you're extremely scummy. You're wasting Town's time with anti-Town muckraking, you shot a Townie with zero regard for the better than 50% chance you'd hit a Townie, and you've done zero scumhunting

PE2: NO, GODDAMNIT. NOT THREE PEOPLE, 1/3. RIGHT THIS MINUTE IT'S 3. LATER IT DROPS TO 2, THEN 1, AND WE'RE GONE. LYNCHING SELF-ELIMINATING ROLES IS ANTITOWN

[Flames682]

there are only 4 players that may possibly have a night targeting ability

How the fuck did you come up with this conclusion?

reliant on the other 3 people having night targeting abilities

Actually 2 people if we lynch someone today, so what's your point here?

The players in bold are people who town HAVE to eliminate. Leaving them alive extends the game by at least two days if they don't target you.

Maybe I'll fucking bold something for you:

I'm not losing to impatient town.

[Flames682]

I want to know the truth now. Flames said that three people need to target anyone in the game.
Pine says three players need to directly target them. Either one of them is lying, they have different win conditions, or again, the mod made a mistake.

Pine didn't say to target me, he said for people to target him. I have a fucking 1-shot lightning rod, do you know what that even does?

[Flames682]

Pine is not the same exact role as me. We are both cans of Whoopasses, but not the same version.

[LostPatience]

Hmmm, how likely is a scum roll with a daykill, and theoretically speaking if one had that role wouldn't that optimal play be to shoot it off as soon as possible and ride the "lolconftown" to victory?

[Pine]

Fuck it. Constantine gets ignored until he pulls the stick out of his ass.

Let's do scumhunting


Siveure DtTrikyp - I was buying LP's scum case on Siv, but looking at them in ISO, I'm not really seeing it. Looks like bored or lost Town, but might not be. Need more to be sure
LostPatience - Seems to be making a reasonable effort. Has taken positions, reconsidered them using logic, and revised accordingly. ProbTown
Aleumdaum - Active lurking, like REALLY bad. If I were scum right now, I'd probably be doing what she's doing, and flying under the radar
St Constantine the Hermit - Claimed Usurper. I've made my case. Anti-Town activity
BBMolla - V/LA, hasn't contributed anything, was kind of lurky. Knowing Molla, this could be a scum strategy, or he could be busy


Other
Garmr - Self-eliminating Town, gone N1
Pine - Self-eliminating TP
Flames682 - Self-eliminating TP, gone N1

Best vote is Aleumdaum, if for no other reason than to force her to come to the table and give something to analyze. Constantine may also be scum, but that will play out in time

Vote: Aleumdaum

That's L-2. Get in here and do something productive

[Pine]

There a 1werewolf , 2 mafia day, 1 vig serial killer day vig and A hell of a lot of rerollers that could pick up a day vig.(rerollers are roles that make you alignment so you could have a werewolf los vegas for example.)

Garmr and I already discussed the possibility of scum daykillers. In the parent thread, there's actually a lot of them.

As for optimal play, that's kind of a WIFOM discussion. It is

distinctly

anti-Town, which makes it suboptimal for any alignment. Were I a scum daykiller, I'd save it for late D1, declare the person I wanted dead wasn't getting lynched, and then shoot a scumbuddy. Ride to victory on the presumption of Doc protection, then later say scum was keeping me around as mislynch bait. I'd more or less do the same as Town

[St Constantine the Hermit]

Dude, this is whack. Maruchan, now would be a good timed to promote a friendly atmosphere.

[Flames682]

Or not. Hope you know Mafiascum has swear words, if you don't like it, get used to it

[Pine]

People also tend to get irate when you're a complete knob

[Pine]

Maybe you should respond to post 235 and get on topic

[Siveure DtTrikyp]

Either Maruchan didn't give two shits when designing this game, or you're scum.

My god constantine, did you not know what you were signing up for???!?!?!?

Go read the first post again. Take a look at how the setup is worked out. Take a look at the thread this is based on (here) Then you can come back and say their roles are fake because they're bastard, if you still believe that.

Ack.

I thought the paranoia on flames/pine was gone but it's not. That said... if they really were winning separately i highly doubt flames would have claimed because lol broken OP role.
And we are NOT lynching pine today. Not only is he arguably the most pro-town player, if you really believe they're a threat flames is a higher priority.

And pine, where did lost patience do what you're saying?

Hrmm, if it weren't for aleumdaum I'd be voting leap of faith right now.

[Pine]

LP approached the TP situation with a kneejerk reaction, listened to arguments, asked the right questions, and made a reasoned decision

[Garmr]

UNVOTE: Siveure DtTrikyp

would vote Aleumdaum but that would be l-1 and I would like to hear more from this slot.

[LostPatience]

Aleumdaum is the other reasonable lynch option today, but I would still rather siv.

[Flames682]

Before the day ends, we need 2 people to confirm that they'll target someone tonight. Roleblocks won't work, so don't use them.

[Siveure DtTrikyp]

Lostpatience, why would you rather lynch me?

[St Constantine the Hermit]

@Flames and Pine - I swear myself quite a bit, but there's a difference between being rude and being classy. Most of my case was selectively dropped, and do you know how rude it is for two players to bitch and whine at me for 2 pages about how they don't like it? To be honest, you guy's weren't acting that far from hormonal teenage brats. Chill, this is a forum game. Stop raging whenever someone doesn't believe your claim. It isn't like I gave any non-logical reasons for believing the way I do.

@Other townies and scummies - I'm not lynching siv yet, but maybe Alem. My first choice is still Pine. Just restating why we should lynch them
- Flames and Pines had significantly different claims. Including wincon.
- Associative relation between flames and pine
- Role is impossible to achieve wincon if their is 2 scum.
- Role might as well be impossible if their isn't, because it requires the remaining 3 players who haven't claimed to target them tonight

Needless to say, I've seen many terrible claims before. This is one of them. I'm still encouraging Maruchan to stop the game if they are actually can of whoopass, as their is still

no way

they can win.

[St Constantine the Hermit]

@BBmolla - Does the moderator include any role in the game, even if it is impossible or breaks the set-up?

[Pine]

247 contains several falsehoods, already debunked