Micro 407: Jurassic Park Mafia - Game Over

[fferyllt]

The FinnLaw/fferyllt Slot

FinnLaw's first few posts look alright. 190 is pretty town. Scum shouldn't find it hard to pick a side and go with it. Finn probably had the same issues I did getting into the game. Unfortunately, like I said above, 377 gives me flashes of Finn/Grib, considering the fact that he was townreading Grib the entire game but half encourages people to join the wagon, if I'm not misinterpreting.

I have probably put down 3 times the number of posts finnlaw did. I'm surprised that you have nothing to say about my interactions with other players, including Grib.

[Mathdino]

I have nothing to say because I stopped writing that post at page 20. I'm currently on page 30 and you haven't replaced in yet. I've done 0 analysis on your D1 posts whatsoever.

Don't worry, I'll get to that.

[fferyllt]

good.

I'm dead tired and I-10 is permanently inscribed on my retinae. Nothing more from me until tomorrow.

[ArcAngel9]

VOTE COUNT - 2.3

Grib -

Pine, Mathdino

Mathdino-

Grib

BlueBloodedToffee-

, Scripten

Beck-

BlueBloodedToffee

Pine-

Beck

Not Voting

fferyllt

With 7 alive it takes 4 for a lynch and 3 for no lynch.

Day 2 ends in (expired on 2014-11-21 11:15:00)

[Pine]

I have him and BBT as unaligned pairs.

Why are you asking easy questions?

Whoa, hold up.

Unaligned pairs? Occam's razor would not jump to this, the simpler solution is Town vs Town, or at least the possibility of such. Jumping to "unaligned pairs" sounds like "informed minority" to me

Grib's lost all Towncred with me, and gone onto my watchlist. I could absolutely see the Grib/BBT squabble as an early super bussing tactic

That's not how it works, obvious stalling tactic.

Yes, actually, that is how it works. Quit rolefishing.

What rolefishing? He wasn't rolefishing

I'm more sure that Pine and insanity018 are town now. (Sorry for the vote, Pine. Wanted to gauge a few reactions.) Beck... is null because he's single-minded and tunnel-y as hell, but tunneling is pretty much a null tell, if not town. So right now I'm left with lurkers and Grib, who suddenly feels a little off to me.

Grib:

Why do you believe that BBT and myself are unaligned? Why would that affect your vote? Since you said my naked vote on Pine was small beans, walk me through the process of switching over to the wagon on me and then back to BBT, please?

UNVOTE: Pine
VOTE: Grib

It was pretty poor reaction tests you were super obvious about it, even before everyone blew up your spot. The mere fact that you're setting traps and doing reaction tests, plus the speed and ease of that wagon on you makes me think you're Town

BECK

- You're tunneling unnecessarily. Chill

Actually, this is where my read on Grib ACTUALLY turned.

Seriously, Beck. You aren't reading

[Beck]

I'm reading, I still don't see a reason why he's scum. That quote is horseshit, just like your claim you have provided reasons why he's scum.

SERIOUSLY PINE. you aren't providing good reasons for your scum read.

[Beck]

Vote stays. Another thing pine isn't doing, he's not being active and trying to figure shit out. He pops in, posts a couple of meaningless posts/insults/white knitting posts and vanishes again.

[Beck]

Cmon pine, you are scum reading grib cause you disagree with him about something. How is that remotely even close to a good reason? You say Occam's razor but that's a cop out and I don't even think its accurate in this case

[fferyllt]

Interesting. I spent some time thinking about this game while driving, and came to the conclusion that Pine reminds me a little of scum-SpyreX in a couple games we'd played because he's put relatively little info about his scumreads into the game, as well as the huzzah type posts he made in reply to a few things I posted.

The first time I played with SpyreX I was kinda wowed by his reputation and brushed over the lack of doing-stuff content.

Rereading this aftgernoon to make sure my on-the-road memory was accurate.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Firstly, 1320 is such a bad post.

So easy to make it look pro-town. You couldn't have made those notes elsewhere, like Notepad or Word (considering they were for yourself).

You basically gave a running diary on what's happened in the game so far. Well done, you can read.

Got a question, BBT. So you're clearly cool with either a me lynch or a BBT lynch today. Yet yesterday I believe you said that because BBT and I both sheeped Grib's case at the same time, it makes it unlikely that we're scum together.

Do you still think me/Beck isn't a possibility?
If not, who's the partner for either of us?

That's correct. I still think it's unlikely you're both scum.

I don't like to comment on potential partners without the relevant information.

[Mathdino]

BBT, I didn't ask you to townread me for that. I'm not the kinda guy to keep private notes, you can see that if you read basically any of my games. I'm stream of consciousness, and I publish those so people can comment on them and bring sections to light if necessary. After all, if I just said 'I'm reading [X] because ~reasons~" I'd sure as hell want you to know why and how I got there.

You'll notice that it was not IIoA, however, if you read said notes. I summarised and then commented.
If you're going to cast a blanket statement on the post as IIoA (or at least that's what I'm getting when you say 'running diary') then at least read the post. Or you can ignore it.

See, here's the thing. We're at the stage where we really do have to comment on potential partners. Suppose Beck is lynched and flips scum. Who is scum? Suppose I'm lynched and flip scum. Who is scum?
The entire reason I ruled out Beck after wiping my reads is I legitimately can't see Beck/[any player in the game] from the first 20 pages. So I think it's important to look at associatives at this stage.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

It's a post that people will town-read you for. I'm letting you know it doesn't work with me.

You 'find scum' your way and I'll find scum my way. Associative tells are a bad way to scum-hunt when you don't have the relevant information available.

[Beck]

1320 is far from a bad post

[BlueBloodedToffee]

^^

Point proven.

[Beck]

It's a post that people will town-read you for. I'm letting you know it doesn't work with me.

You 'find scum' your way and I'll find scum my way. Associative tells are a bad way to scum-hunt when you don't have the relevant information available.

So is voting people for using self meta but that didn't stop you...

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I didn't vote you for using self-meta. Silly.

[Mathdino]

It's a post that people will town-read you for. I'm letting you know it doesn't work with me.

You 'find scum' your way and I'll find scum my way. Associative tells are a bad way to scum-hunt when you don't have the relevant information available.

How don't we? We have 50 pages of information. It's extremely relevant when Beck is a bad lynch target due to associations. There just aren't that many available scumteams right now. So if you think I'm scum, or you think Beck's scum, you need to make sure that there's even a possible partner, or it rules out that possibility.

Also why do I care if you don't townread me for that? Your job is not to convince me I'm scum. Make an argument as to why it's scummy and I and others can respond to it. Otherwise it's just you being arrogant.

[Beck]

^^

Point proven.

Its more than you and pine have contribted combined, I see why you are jealous and have to try and discredit it

[Beck]

I didn't vote you for using self-meta. Silly.

Orly?

[Beck]

Self-meta haha. The only thing that's worse than people who use meta to scum-hunt.

I'd really like to lynch Beck.

VOTE: Beck

This says otherwise

[BlueBloodedToffee]

It's a post that reeks of 'Look how hard I'm trying to work out this game'

It looks great on the surface. When you actually analyze it, it's nothing more than a running commentary on the game so far.

You can't look for associative tells without the relevant information.

What happens if Beck flips scum? What do you do then?

PEdit - Are you saying I didn't think you were scum D1 Beck?

[Mathdino]

Yeah...
that's exactly what it is...
I'm not seeing what you're trying to say. What ELSE would it be? I paid very little attention to the game back then, the reread was

necessary

for me to get my bearings.

What's the relevant information? The flip? Because if and when that flip occurs, you're gonna need to look back at the game and see where things stand. Why can't you do it now? Why can't you prepare for the flip?

If Beck flips scum, it'll be Pine because every other pair makes little to no sense. Alternatively, it'll be Scripten and it turns out he's been lying about his PM, but that's unlikely.
Now answer your own question please.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Yeah...
that's exactly what it is...
I'm not seeing what you're trying to say. What ELSE would it be? I paid very little attention to the game back then, the reread was

necessary

for me to get my bearings.

What's the relevant information? The flip? Because if and when that flip occurs, you're gonna need to look back at the game and see where things stand. Why can't you do it now? Why can't you prepare for the flip?

If Beck flips scum, it'll be Pine because every other pair makes little to no sense. Alternatively, it'll be Scripten and it turns out he's been lying about his PM, but that's unlikely.
Now answer your own question please.

You said the notes were for yourself. So keep them that way. That's part of the reason why it looks scummy to me.

Yeah, the flip & the following NK, that makes associatives much easier to work out and also prevents wasting all the time doing it now only to find out you could be wrong or the person you thought it was got NK'ed. A narrower pool of people also increases the chances of actually being correct.

Even more so, it gives scum a nice trail to follow my thought process and gives them an indication of the direction I'll be heading in the next day-phase if I do it now.

So yeah, not doing it.

[Mathdino]

Yeah, see, BBT, the main reason people have had issues with you this game is because you seemed to arbitrarily switch reads and go full hypocrisy on them.
In some formal debates, it's common process to ask to see your opponent's notes. That is why I did that. Also because I happen to be an extravert and I am literally incapable of writing notes to myself as opposed to someone else.

You're not understanding me BBT.
I'm asking you if Beck/Grib makes sense.
I'm asking you if Beck/fferyllt makes sense.
I'm asking you if Beck/Pine makes sense.
I'm asking you if Beck/Scripten makes sense.

Because guess what? None of these do. Beck/BBT also doesn't make sense. This is a

damn

good reason to townread someone if the game pretty much becomes nigh-impossible if they flip scum.
To not use all the tools at your disposal is daft.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Yeah, see, BBT, the main reason people have had issues with you this game is because you seemed to arbitrarily switch reads and go full hypocrisy on them.

Yeah, I haven't done this.

Math, what happens if Beck flips scum? Because from the sound of it, Beck is near 100% town for you right now.

Where do you go? How do you proceed?