Micro 408: Maru's Mollas Grand Idea Mafia

[St Constantine the Hermit]

The lord has given me great powers. Powers which I understand.
I UNDERSTAND MY ROLE

[St Constantine the Hermit]

VOTE: Maruchan
Start thy game insolent Moderator

[St Constantine the Hermit]

no offense

[St Constantine the Hermit]

Maruchan, you should get a back up mod.

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Sigh

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Fine by me...

Kill:

Fuduzn

[St Constantine the Hermit]

Okay, so what's up guys? Fuduzn's humor is offsetting, right?

Kill:

Fuduzn

[St Constantine the Hermit]

What the hell did I just do

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Kill:

Siveure Dtrikyp









































































































































































































jk, it only works once.

[St Constantine the Hermit]

@Mod - Can you tell us what the role does? Just to pique my curiosity.

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I was going to say....
Someone being that cliche has to be scum, lol.

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The role's actually a bit more complicated than that, so...

[St Constantine the Hermit]

Usurper, but I just learned that it's one shot. To bad.
Hopefully the day vig thingy confirms me as town.

^What's dat do?

[St Constantine the Hermit]

Flames is right, it doesn't confirm me as town. '
Oh well, that things like 60 pages, so my testimony should be proof enough.

[St Constantine the Hermit]

My role PM doesn't say anything about having to kill a king. It just says town usurper.

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Okay, whomever is the king, come out with your hands up.

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@BBmolla - It seems like an awfully huge thing to miss about the role.

[St Constantine the Hermit]

No.

This is actually a really iffy role that I'd call semi-bastard

1) Are you alligned with flames, who is also claiming to be TP?
2) What's the likelihood you both have the same role, like he's hinting at?

These questions will determine whether or not we're lynching him.

[St Constantine the Hermit]

The mod just confirmed the third parties need to be eliminated. Why are we not voting them?

[St Constantine the Hermit]

Yeah, that does suck for you, but you kind of have to die now. That other guy too.

[St Constantine the Hermit]

Since Flames and that other guy appear to be third party, should we just keep them alive until we eliminate mafia?
You know, let them win in spirit?

[St Constantine the Hermit]

Full claim the third party role. Almost all TP roles involve killing someone, so you really need to give us some more information.

[St Constantine the Hermit]

Flames, what is the name of your role. That sounds like a bastard role.

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St Constantine hasn't really read the game I see.

I saw that you have to get 3 people to use their action at night. Serious bastard role, but I need the name.

[St Constantine the Hermit]

It requires you to influence what people do in the night, without any power or knowledge of their abilities.
The wincon is semi-impossible. The only way you could win is out of pure luck, and by chance other players take pity to get you out of the way.

Can you tell me the name of your role now?

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I don't believe Flames claim. We have enough to deal with Pine anyways.
VOTE: Flames

[St Constantine the Hermit]

Okay, here's what we're going to do. Flames claimed that his role is a more buffed up version of Pines can of whoopass. I'm almost certain one of them is lying, but in the intrest of information, both should paraphrase their role PM.
Flames, without saying the exact words of Maruchan, paraphrase your role pm.
Pine, do the same right after.

We can check for discrepancies.

[St Constantine the Hermit]

The concerning thing is that Pines had guessed Flames role before he himself had claimed it.
Actually, I wouldn't be surprised if this was a terrible scum play that went bad.

[St Constantine the Hermit]

Sorry guys, I've been a bit distracted from the game. I'm not really getting into it.
I really don't have a clue who I should be voting right now, so I'll leave it where it is on flames.

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I don't believe the claim. I think it is near impossible to achieve as well.
The only thing keeping me hesitant is that you are confirmable.
What makes you think scum will target you anyways? They know town has to eliminate the TP, so targeting you or pine just increases the percentages of hitting scum.
Another reason why I'm hesitant of lynching you or pine. But what irks me most of all, is how low the odds are that there are two cans of whoopass, which to make matters worst, in a 9 player game which requires three targets.

We literally got several claims which makes your wincon impossible. Suicidal Underdog, HoneyJeebs, and Usurper. Either Maruchan is an incompetent mod, or one of you is lying. I tend to believe the latter.

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I don't believe the claim. I think it is near impossible to achieve as well.
The only thing keeping me hesitant is that you are confirmable.
What makes you think scum will target you anyways? They know town has to eliminate the TP, so targeting you or pine just increases the percentages of hitting scum.
Another reason why I'm hesitant of lynching you or pine. But what irks me most of all, is how low the odds are that there are two cans of whoopass, which to make matters worst, in a 9 player game which requires three targets.

We literally got several claims which makes your wincon impossible. Suicidal Underdog, HoneyJeebs, and Usurper. Either Maruchan is an incompetent mod, or one of you is lying. I tend to believe the latter.

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Pine's strategy is also a red light. Both of them need to be targetted three times. In a 9 player game, with 5 players who claimed to have non night targeting roles (including themselves), Pine and Flames should be trying to lynch each other now. The way I see it, we need to lynch them anyways. This should be seen as confirmed scum if they are third party, and it is only supplemented by the fact that there is so much bullshit stemming from their claim.

Unless people still believe their wincondition is plausible or possible. We can waste our night actions on an impossible task, or we can eliminate one of two liabilities, who are more than likely scum.

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That WOULD imply that there's more than one scum. That also means that if either Pine or Flames is scum, they wont night kill, so that's kind of a moot point.
If we were to wait to lynch them, the people who would be on the lynch list would are...
- You
- Alel
- Garmr
- BBmolla
- lost patience

We can probably scrap the guy who claimed suicidal underdog.

[St Constantine the Hermit]

It is interesting how the story keeps changing. We are just learning that it is 1/3 of living players and not 3 players. Flames also said that

people need to target any player

, but again, your role and his don't match up. Because you're saying you need to be directly targeted. Let's not forget, it was

YOU

who claimed for him. Flames never said he was a bulletproof lightningrod. You did for him.

The worst part is that it doesn't actually get easier as it goes. If your claims are true, then there are only 4 players that may

possibly

have a night targeting ability. We can assume at least one of them is scum, and if that's true, then they have absolutely no incentive to target you, as it furthers the town win condition, and raises the probability of them being caught. The win condition is already semi impossible, but oh wait, all this is reliant on the other 3 people having night targeting abilities.

Maruchan, this would be a good time to stop the game if their claims are true, because there is literally no way their win condition is achievable. I just get the feeling that their claim isn't true. Maruchan did say that third parties are a

threat

to town.

[St Constantine the Hermit]

Flames guarantees no N1 kills

Good point.
VOTE: Pine

[St Constantine the Hermit]

Scum has incentive to target us because removing us reduces the groupscum : notgroupscum ratio, helping them win

It is a good thing I didn't miss this. No, scum have no incentive to target your non existent role. Affiliation? Seriously?
Here's a good model of what the game probably looks like now if your claims are true. It is definitely one of the two.

Town, Town, Town, Town, Town, Town,

Third Party, Third Party, Scum

Town, Town, Town, Town, Town,

Third Party, Third Party, Third Party, Scum

The players in bold are people who town

HAVE

to eliminate. Leaving them alive extends the game by at least two days if they don't target you.
Whereas targeting you lowers the game by at least two days,

and

increases the probability of non claimed players being scum.
Bingo, it doesn't make any sense to target you.

If I was scum in this game, the first thing I would do was forment a fake claim, since this game contains many power roles.
But hey, wait! You said I was scum earlier. If you say it benefits me, who's obviously scum, to target you, why are you telling others to lynch me?
Someone is playing against their non existent win condition...

[St Constantine the Hermit]

@Flames + Pine - You need to either calm down or ask for a replacement. Both of you are over stepping your bounds.
@Pine - I don't want to draw out the conversation at risk of my case being unnoticed. I trust people will understand what I'm saying.
If you're actually who you say you are, then can you at least agree that you have something closer to a bastard role?

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Jeez, I hate when players start acting vile in the presence of logic. Seems like something scum would do.

Yes, with wincon written as it is, we are a "threat" to Town

Seriously? How am I an idiot if you agree that what I'm saying is true?

Don't forget. I still don't believe your claim, or else I wouldn't be lynching you.

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It is interesting how the story keeps changing. We are just learning that it is 1/3 of living players and not 3 players.

Flames also said that people need to target any player

, but again, your role and his don't match up. Because you're saying you need to be directly targeted. Let's not forget, it was

YOU who claimed for him

. Flames never said he was a bulletproof lightningrod. You did for him.

The worst part is that it doesn't actually get easier as it goes. If your claims are true, then

there are only 4 players that may possibly have a night targeting ability

. We can assume at least one of them is scum, and if that's true, then they have absolutely no incentive to target you, as

it furthers the town win condition, and raises the probability of them being caught

. The win condition is already semi impossible, but oh wait, all this is

reliant on the other 3 people having night targeting abilities

.

Maruchan, this would be a good time to stop the game if their claims are true, because there is literally no way their win condition is achievable. I just get the feeling that their claim isn't true. Maruchan did say that third parties are a threat to town.

It is a good thing I didn't miss this. No, scum have no incentive to target your non existent role. Affiliation? Seriously?
Here's a good model of what the game probably looks like now if your claims are true. It is definitely one of the two.

Town, Town, Town, Town, Town, Town, Third Party, Third Party, Scum
Town, Town, Town, Town, Town, Third Party, Third Party, Third Party, Scum

The players in bold are people who town HAVE to eliminate

.

Leaving them alive extends the game by at least two days if they don't target you

.
Whereas targeting you lowers the game by at least two days, and increases the probability of non claimed players being scum.
Bingo, it doesn't make any sense to target you.

If I was scum in this game, the first thing I would do was forment a fake claim, since this game contains many power roles.
But hey, wait! You said I was scum earlier. If you say it benefits me, who's obviously scum, to target you,

why are you telling others to lynch me?

Someone is playing against their non existent win condition...

The things in bold were dropped in the previous hormonal fit of rage you guys had.

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I haven't said anything unreasonable. Either Maruchan didn't give two shits when designing this game, or you're scum. That's simply how it is.

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I want to know the truth now. Flames said that three people need to target anyone in the game.
Pine says three players need to directly target them. Either one of them is lying, they have different win conditions, or again, the mod made a mistake.

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Dude, this is whack. Maruchan, now would be a good timed to promote a friendly atmosphere.

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@Flames and Pine - I swear myself quite a bit, but there's a difference between being rude and being classy. Most of my case was selectively dropped, and do you know how rude it is for two players to bitch and whine at me for 2 pages about how they don't like it? To be honest, you guy's weren't acting that far from hormonal teenage brats. Chill, this is a forum game. Stop raging whenever someone doesn't believe your claim. It isn't like I gave any non-logical reasons for believing the way I do.

@Other townies and scummies - I'm not lynching siv yet, but maybe Alem. My first choice is still Pine. Just restating why we should lynch them
- Flames and Pines had significantly different claims. Including wincon.
- Associative relation between flames and pine
- Role is impossible to achieve wincon if their is 2 scum.
- Role might as well be impossible if their isn't, because it requires the remaining 3 players who haven't claimed to target them tonight

Needless to say, I've seen many terrible claims before. This is one of them. I'm still encouraging Maruchan to stop the game if they are actually can of whoopass, as their is still

no way

they can win.

[St Constantine the Hermit]

@BBmolla - Does the moderator include any role in the game, even if it is impossible or breaks the set-up?

[St Constantine the Hermit]

According to you, who is also incredibly biased towards your claim. I'm wondering why you're getting so defensive.
You guaranteed you're going to get lynched anyways. I encourage others to not waste their night actions on you two, and depending on how the game goes, we'll lynch you and flames after catching scum.
If we catch scum, contingent on their still being 1/3 of players with a night targeting role, only then will we consider helping you achieve your wincon, if it really is what you say.

Now, I still think you're scum, so that puts me in a difficult position, so I'm just going to continue trusting my gut.

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Interesting to note, town usually don't get defensive when one person scum reads them.
Just saying.

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I'm giving Pine the benefit of the doubt. We lynch someone else today, and if doesn't hit scum, we're lynching him tomorrow.

[St Constantine the Hermit]

I kind of agree with lostpatience. Somehow I confused him with Garmr as being the suicidal underdog.
I shot quickly because I didn't really care, and wanted to use my power for lolz.
VOTE: lostpatience
My initial pre-game scum read was Fuduzn too for his cheesy innuendo's.

[St Constantine the Hermit]

My initial pre-game scum read was Fuduzn too for his cheesy innuendo's.

Cheesy innuendos = scum?

In my expierience, yes. Scum don't take the game seriously by image. At least in some metas.

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Uh, okay, waste of time. BTW, Maruchan, did you really believe flames and pines wincon was possible.

[St Constantine the Hermit]

How about you reserve the power to balance the game in your next attempt?