Micro 418: MS sitcom UPick - [Game Over]

[BipolarChemist]

G'day, mates!

VOTE: fuzzybutternut

You know why, Fuzzy. You know why.

[BipolarChemist]

VOTE: fuzzybutternut

Now there is a wagon I can get behind.

Damn right, mate. This FuzzyButtNut is scummier than ever and I can't wait for this super rushed lynch with incredibly little talk during the day.

Now fuzzy! From my impression of the game, this is gonna be a power heavy game. Do you think you a town neg util works for that? Do you think Who is being a bullshitty asshat?

[BipolarChemist]

Why and why?

I will consistently talk about your fuzzybuttnuts, mate.

[BipolarChemist]

I will accept your second point. But I'm trying to get you to discuss set-up with meeee. If you're actually a miller, how do you think that affects the game set-up?

[BipolarChemist]

I was thinking the Miller is actually fairly likely in terms of set-up to balance out any power roles since we know this was to be a power heavy game. More or less, I'm saying that for now I kinda am inclined to believe that claim. Obvi ignoring whatever Who is doing because I will preeettty much never trust Who.

[BipolarChemist]

VOTE: Who

[BipolarChemist]

Should we or should we not say what MS celebrity we are?

I don't feel like that's a perfectly good idea at this point! Sinces alignments are randomized, we can't speculate on roles being certain alignments, but scum can speculate on who would have stronger PRs and take them out based on flavour.

[BipolarChemist]

Yes, definitely.

[BipolarChemist]

KK

[BipolarChemist]

FuDuzn, why do you even have a inkling of wanting to claim on page 2 of a game where character is independent of alignment?

[BipolarChemist]

I don't trust you because my experience with you, you kinda flake after a while and prod dodge the way through the rest of the game. On top of this, Fuzzy's thoughts on why there might be a miller in the game came across as thought he hadn't fully thought about it where I think scum would have beforehand. I really doubt there are two millers in the game and I believe his over your claim currently. All in, I already have a feeling that I don't trust your claim!

[BipolarChemist]

And my inactivity leads to mistrust because...?

Mainly it just sets me to be uneasy since you make a claim and after like the first day phase you'll probably drop off as usual. So everything you say now is probably gonna be the bulk of what I make reads on and currently I do not trust your claim.

It would be hella ballsy to claim miller AFTER a miller already claimed. So while I don't trust his claim, I don't know if it's necessarily scummy thinking more about it! Still, I'm not fully sure how scum Who will play and I could see him being ballsy and it's the best place for my vote right now!

Now, Bert. What the heck man? I know you're all happy hyper sunshine and rainbows, but why did you claim right after we said that we shouldn't claim? D:

[BipolarChemist]

I do not know droog! Explain, fuzzybuttnuts!

[BipolarChemist]

Taking Kagami's claim for example, could you see another Town aligned killing role?

I may be misunderstanding, but are you suggesting Ninja is a killing role?

[BipolarChemist]

I've seen it not even be a modifier. But at this point, if we assumed all PR claims were legit, we have two neg util and then ninja which doesn't do anything for town.

[BipolarChemist]

Bert is off puking sunshine and rainbows, mate.

@chamber2: You said FuDuzn seems conscious about his actions. Do you think that's inherently scummy and why?

@fuzzybuttnuts: Who do you think is most likely scum at this point? Do you think Bert has been scummy or just mostly useless?

@droog: What /are/ you?

[BipolarChemist]

BPC really should catch a bullet

Rude! What did I do? D:

@fuzzybuttnuts: Who do you think is most likely scum at this point? Do you think Bert has been scummy or just mostly useless?

At this point? Who knows. It's 4 pages in and we haven't had much content.
Bert is being Bert, so of course he's useless, but he's not scum for it. Hell, I don't even know if I'd call it scummy at this point.

I quoted this to get him to talk to me more but then he died

Roleblock: BipolarChemist

HA jokes on you I'm passive info role.

I was inclined to think Konowa's dayvig was scummy initially, but I miiight be turning around on this. Konowa, if you had to shoot a second person, who would it be?

My thoughts on him shooting fuzzy over me was that he may have had gut feeling with the fact that fuzzy really kinda felt fencey (to me at least) and not productive to talk, where as I was someone who has potential to be lynched today. I dunno, for me the shot is mostly null right now. We'll see as time goes on!

Also, Who, a 1-shot vig in a 9p game feels fairly strong? Even when attached to Miller.

Bert, you seem to be mocking droog. This is hilarious thus far. Please keep it up. But also, you were voting Konowa before the shot, are you considering voting again?

[BipolarChemist]

When compared to a non-miller dayvig, it seems weak. Furthermore, FG said that this game would be "power-heavy". 1-shit dayvig would be powerful in a normal but miller one-shot dayvig is weak in a power heavy game.

Of course, Konowa could be scum making said comparison invalid.

I feel like dayvig een with the modifier is pretty strong in this small of a game. And then we see a second vig in the game. In one day and night phase, we could have seen the game be at MYLO. Then if the miller role isn't just a troll by FG, there's probs investigative roles.

Konowa's iso is him soft-counterclaiming me because he assumed ninja implies killing role. Konowa is fairly high confidence town.

Who is town as well. I think someone already pointed it out, but no scum would falsely claim miller after someone else had done the same.

Bert is tingling.

Fuzzy flip does little to change my perception of BPC.

VOTE: BPC

I'm tempted to sheep you, not on the vote on me obvi, but for Bert. What is making you feel tingly about him?

[BipolarChemist]

*cough*

[BipolarChemist]

I think it's kinda hard to determine from the miller claim. It feels like there are reasons from both sides to claim this. I have no idea how to feel about Who's claim either, this is probably more not really know how this set-up really is as it kinda feels like a clusterf-.

Ummmm, I really don't know most people and I haven't played in a while.

Konowa's shot mixed with the lead up to it shows me he kinda wanted people to know he was a dayvig. I'm leaning town on it all, I would imagine a scum shooting town like they might slightly go for a "oh my god I'm so sorry approach" but I think Konowa would be smarter than that as scum.

droog I'm just not sure what he's up to, but I get the feeling of uninterested townie from him I guess. He's kinda hung up on the Konowa shot, and I'm fency on how to feel about it. I would like to hear some more solid opinions from him.

I feel chamber2 is town. He seems good for discussion, I like his questions. No strong town read, but town enough for me.

Bert, I felt uneasy without much backup. Still kinda do. I don't know how to feel about the constant happy attitude because I feel like that is just Bert. He sees a shot, he's just happy something interesting happened.

FuDuzn would probably be higher up on my choice of people to lynch today, but it's mostly gut. Maybe because of the suggesting claiming thing?

You and Who are mostly null simply because I haven't seen enough substantial stuff to draw anything from.

p-edit: Bert, I kinda doubt there's going to be a traitor in this game with 9 players and Vig(s) in the town. Playing as traitor is almost a whole other game in itself. But yeah, I'm not sure I can call miller claims either way and I usually ignore them until something more substantial comes up. Also, you linked my game <3

[BipolarChemist]

I went back through Who's games and I couldn't only find one where he was a Miller. But he was some NK-Immune Miller Vig. Didn't claim until much later in the game.

Crumb: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 3#p5274603
Claim: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 6#p5314236

It seems as though he was mafia in this case!

Him counterclaiming miller though, I have no idea. I feel like as scum he'd play it closer to himself and not claim, so I might lean town based on that alone.

[BipolarChemist]

That was a wonderful restatement of what I said, thank you.

[BipolarChemist]

Why did you feel the need to point it out anyways?

[BipolarChemist]

But let's say I did just say claim. If really feels like you went on a hard defence right away. And what would I have been misrepping?

p-edit: @chamber2: I have no idea. My best guess right now might be Bert of FuDuzn. But both cases are fairly weak.

[BipolarChemist]

*Bert or FuDuzn

[BipolarChemist]

That was a wonderful restatement of what I said, thank you.

Your recent posts are wonderful.

This is literally the most uplifting thing I've heard today

[BipolarChemist]

VOTE: FuDuzn

[BipolarChemist]

That's L-1 btw.

[BipolarChemist]

Shhh I can't math and it's late. SHhhhhhhh

[BipolarChemist]

G'day, mates!

VOTE: fuzzybutternut

You know why, Fuzzy. You know why.

[BipolarChemist]

It's weird. Almost like I totally have his avatar. Whoa!

[BipolarChemist]

It would make me somewhat suspicious that the scumteam is bulletproof or something like that.

FG likes superficially powerful roles that are actually negative utility in the context of the setup.


There are several aspects of the claim that are fishy. One is that FG had implied he would strongly consider an informed-like fake-claim in the future. Otherwise, Fudu's handling of it is decidedly strange, especially given that DV had softed his flavor from his first post (though I didn't realize DV was an aussie; it's reasonable that neither did fudu).

That said, it's clear that fudu had his claim in mind from the beginning, however suboptimal his handling of it was.

I'm kind of thinking droog.

Eh, I'd believe he didn't know right away. Droog hasn't really been anything special to me so far. Looking in his past games I'd almost argue he seems to give more of a shit as scum. Posts are constructed a bit better, like he's on his toes and doesn't wanna stand out in posting style. What's pinging you on him?

And I see you picking apart FuDu a lot, comparing him to everyone for partners. Why not lynch Fudu instead? I think that would give more information, plus I think he might be a bit scummier

I didn't know dv was an Aussie until yesterday.

I am dumb for not noticing the avatar.

Well to be fair this is also my avatar. I'm inclined to believe the claim, but it still doesn't mean you're town, I'm sure you can see that! I still feel so off on you, though. The way you revealed this role almost felt like you were leaving it as an ace in the hole almost. To use in this exact situation.

most of bpc's iso feels empty to me
which will sound weird hes asked questions and
a lot of his posts are chatter
and his longer posts are
kind of vague and not clear in what they're referring to

loldroogwtf

[BipolarChemist]

It was mainly this one for you as scum: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=59528

And then just a bunch of random ones as you for town.

It's not a strong read, but something for me to go with for now.

And I said loldroogwtf because it kinda felt like you hadn't really read the recent game

[BipolarChemist]

I think the FuDuzn lynch is better for today.

[BipolarChemist]

Tweeeeelve hours.

[BipolarChemist]

Morning Bert, what's up?

[BipolarChemist]

Just winding down after a long day, kinda waiting for this, kinda not. Xmas shopping is a fantastic idea though.

[BipolarChemist]

So last night I caught up on the game.

And Chamber is the scummiest scumfuck who was ever a scumfuck.
VOTE: Chamber2

This is where my vote shall remain for the remainder of the day.

Why?

Droog is confirmed town.

Why?

no lynch here? or too dangerous to risk scum vigging possibnilities?

Grr. I don't know D: I am kinda leaning the latter to be honest.

I'm tempted to vote Konowa from this fine wine alone

[BipolarChemist]

droog get your butt in here.

Chamber2 as well.

Also, Who and whoever else I'm forgetting.

Bert you're good.

[BipolarChemist]

Konowa

[BipolarChemist]

droog I've seen you post elsewhere, wtf

[BipolarChemist]

Fuck sorry! I forgot this was a thing...

I'd probably be the most inclined to vote Konowa, but that's mostly based on the number of vigs we've been seeing pop up town.

Now do we want to lynch today or take the risk tonight that there will only be one kill?

I believe Bert's claim enough. I wouldn't expect scumbert to stick his head out like that, with all of the roles in the game thus far. Now would we expect a godfather role on the scum team? I think that would be very possible. Droog sees that he's been cleared, knows Konowa will probably be high up on the chopping block, claims a result on him to ensure his lynch today. That's a move I would expect scum to make and now that I'm writing this out I'm more leaning a droog lynch.

Still, I'm unsure if I want to lynch today or not...

[BipolarChemist]

Because a mislynch today would mean scum wins. Doing anything to push a mislynch today I would expect to be highest priority for scum.

[BipolarChemist]

I'm thinking scum are probably gonna just kill conf town tonight and there might not be a point in no lynching.

Bert, who's toppin yo scumlist?

[BipolarChemist]

So basically droog and Konowa have made it one versus the other. Konowa claimed to have not submitted an action before droog claimed a tracking result on him, but then Konowa went and claimed tracker right back.

With the set-up, with claimed roles we have:

Town:
1 shot dayvig/Ninja
1 shot vig/Miller
Informed Townie (Confirmed me as town)
Me: I knew Psyche was in the game. Big Whoop.

Unknown but confirmed roles:
1 shot dayvig (konowa has also claimed tracker)

Claimed roles:
Cop/daytime roleblocker (Bert)
droog (tracker)
miller (who)

Unclaimed:
Chamber2

I think it's time for everyone to full claim to be honest. I want names and all!

I am DeasVail (informed townie). I knew the character Psyche was in the game.

[BipolarChemist]

Characters So Far:
Psyche (Fuduzn) - Informed Townie
Chevre (Kagami) - 1 shot Vig/Ninja
sthar8 (fuzzybuttnuts) - 1 shot Vig/Miller
DeasVail (Moi) - Informed Townie

I'm more just doing this here because I wanna do something with it later.

[BipolarChemist]

<3

[BipolarChemist]

An unconfirmed day-vig that also didn't submit his Night Action because he forgot!

[BipolarChemist]

Uncomfirmed as in unconfirmed alignment p sure

[BipolarChemist]

Alright, so, urgh. Don't put things on me like this, Bert D:

More or less, the tone from Konowa in his most recent posts feels forced. Almost an I'm higher than you, I've figured it out, rather that desperation which I would expect from town as his lynch would mean the game. I'm heavily inclined to vote him.

droog's claim I'm actually inclined to believe. His claim on Konowa without a vote shows to me he was thinking a bit on it, then when Konowa said he didn't visit anyone, he jumped on the vote. I think this is more likely town, at least I hope.

I think I'm gonna vote Konowa...but I'm gonna think on it a bit.

[BipolarChemist]

Alright. Bert-droog scum team doesn't make sense. So if Bert is scum, then Konowa is scum, droog is town. If Bert is Town, droog is proooobably town barring godfather role, Konowa is probably scum.

Unless there was a false result, then Konowa is scum. So using that logic, I feel more comfortable in voting Konowa. Please don't kill me if I'm wrong D:

VOTE: Konowa

[BipolarChemist]

.-.