Micro 407: Jurassic Park Mafia - Game Over

[fferyllt]

No it doesn't. It's exactly what I would have done given Pine's last post and the time on the clock.

I don't follow.

What does Pine's last post have to do with Beck's voting and unvoting?

I don't like that you seem to be ignoring the actual content of Pine's last post

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I only looked it up after my post.

[Beck]

Bbt if you are town you done fucked up

Haha, you know I'm town.

I don't actually

[Pine]

Alright, I'm here

For the record, I have two jobs. One is part time retail at a book store, with light hours, that I actually find relaxing. The other is as an emergency medical technician on an ambulance. That schedule is neither light nor relaxing.

This week I will log more than 75 hours between those two jobs, not counting more than half a dozen hours commuting (the station I've been working out of this week is the next city over.) I've also had several emergency dentist and oral surgeon visits, as one of my wisdom teeth is in the process of crumbling, bit by bit. The remainder of my scarce free time has been taken up with family obligations and wedding prep-work.

That said, this is one of only two active games that I'm in that I'm still alive in, so I should be able to get back in this pretty efficiently. We've got a little less than a week, let's get to work

Now, can someone explain to me how and why Grib goes from 'nearly everyone wants to lynch' to a point where I'm the only vote left?

[Mathdino]

Can't speak for others. PoE says there must be scum in {Grib, you}. As a consequence, I'd be fine with voting either. Out of policy, I'm more willing to vote you.

BBT's PoE absolutely sucks and I'm beginning to think he's the last scumpartner.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Why are you talking about my reads being PoE?

[Pine]

I don't get your PoE at all, Mathdino

[Pine]

I mean, I've come to similar conclusions (Grib and BBT), but I like my reasons. Your PoE seems really arbitrary

[ArcAngel9]

VOTE COUNT - 2.5

Grib -

Pine,

Mathdino-

BlueBloodedToffee-

, Scripten, Beck

Beck-

BlueBloodedToffee

Pine-

, Mathdino, Grib

Not Voting

fferyllt,

With 7 alive it takes 4 for a lynch and 3 for no lynch.

Day 2 ends in (expired on 2014-11-21 11:15:00)

[Grib]

Now, can someone explain to me how and why Grib goes from 'nearly everyone wants to lynch' to a point where I'm the only vote left?

Believe me, I'm just as confused as you are. But I'm not complaining.

Sorry about your schedule and mouth. Wisdom teeth are monsters.

[Mathdino]

Grib is probably town though.

One of you and Math are scum.

This is PoE, BBT.
I seriously don't get why you continue to tunnel Beck when the game makes 0 sense with him flipping scum.

@Pine: See my wallpost if you want to see my reasons. Voting patterns have ruled out quite a bit of pairs, if you want to ask me about any specific pair, go ahead.
Basically, Beck's not scum with anyone, and BBT isn't scum with FinnLaw's slot. That means one of you and Grib is scum.

[Beck]

I need to read that post again myself, cause I find it hard to believe you can poe an entire team based on the limited flips we have had

[Mathdino]

Remaining players are Scripten, Beck, BBT, Grib, Pine, fferyllt.

Scripten is practically confirmed town.
You look town on top of the game not making sense with you as scum.
BBT is not scum with Finn's slot. Finn's slot and by extension fferyllt only makes sense as scum with either Grib or Pine.

That's all it takes, haha.

[Pine]

No no, I see your wall post. I understand what you're saying. I just find it arbitrary and really haphazard. You've eliminated some people for really flimsy reasons. Scripten, for example - I think he's Town based on behavior, you seem to have eliminated him based on alleged role, despite the fact that Mafia Neighborizers exist. You've got to constantly reassess Townreads, not eliminate them for one thing and never look at them again. That's how good scum operates, with some carefully Town-looking stuff that causes people to forget them

PE: my point exactly

[fferyllt]

Remaining players are Scripten, Beck, BBT, Grib, Pine, fferyllt.

Scripten is practically confirmed town.
You look town on top of the game not making sense with you as scum.
BBT is not scum with Finn's slot. Finn's slot and by extension fferyllt only makes sense as scum with either Grib or Pine.

That's all it takes, haha.

I'm trying to decide if there's any reason to think you're really this naive about scum-pair behaviors.

[Mathdino]

I believe they already stated that he's not a neighbouriser.

Regardless, if you'll check back to the end of D1, I recall saying Scripten was probably town seeing what he was doing with me as a reaction test. He was in my townlist before Beck 'confirmed' him. It's just easier to say he's town due to his role than because ~reasons~.

What other flimsy reasons?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Grib is probably town though.

One of you and Math are scum.

This is PoE, BBT.
I seriously don't get why you continue to tunnel Beck when the game makes 0 sense with him flipping scum.

This is based on what? Your opinion? Or do you have solid facts/evidence for why this simply cannot be impossible?

What you're saying is, because

you

find it unlikely that Beck is scum, that

I

should also find it unlikely, because

you

don't think Beck can be scum with anyone else?

Yeah, am not buying what you're selling. I think Beck is scum, I would like him lynched.

I still don't get how that's PoE either. It's not like everybody else is town and you and Beck are scum. One of you is scum, I can't work out which one it is.

Once I know, it makes finding the second scum much easier.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I believe they already stated that he's not a neighbouriser.

Regardless, if you'll check back to the end of D1, I recall saying Scripten was probably town seeing what he was doing with me as a reaction test. He was in my townlist before Beck 'confirmed' him. It's just easier to say he's town due to his role than because ~reasons~.

What other flimsy reasons?

Let's entertain the crazy possibility that Beck could be scum.

He 'finds out' that Scripten is town somehow. Scripten is practically conf town to everyone. In turn, Beck seems to be universally town-read, and I feel that it has a lot to do with what has happened between Scripten and himself.

Now, Beck has this town-cred, Beck or his buddy kills Scripten. Scripten flips town!, Beck gains more town-cred for confirming Scripten as town and proceeds to breeze through the game.

How does that sound?

[Pine]

I believe they already stated that he's not a neighbouriser.

Regardless, if you'll check back to the end of D1, I recall saying Scripten was probably town seeing what he was doing with me as a reaction test. He was in my townlist before Beck 'confirmed' him. It's just easier to say he's town due to his role than because ~reasons~.

What other flimsy reasons?

All of them, really. Beck is the only one you seem to eliminate based on persistent behavior criteria

PE: No, Beck is pants-on-head Town. He's way less squirrelly as scum, and doesn't tunnel nearly as bad

[Mathdino]

Beck and Grib voted together on multiple occasions, in some cases within a few posts of each other (240, 246).

FinnLaw changed his mind very fluidly and naturally when it came to Beck. fferyllt's posting on Beck doesn't ping, and she even pointed out a potential scumslip from him. This would be dumb if they were partners.

You already pointed out how you don't think Beck and I are partners.

Beck and Pine's interaction at 77 doesn't look like scum and scum. If you look at Pine's ISO, his peacekeeping when it came to Beck was very much not a scum/scum interaction. I admit this is more gut than not. However, the possibility of Beck/Pine still fits with my "one of Grib and Pine is scum".
Regardless of course, I've got a townread on Beck ALONG WITH all this.

Edit: My townread on Beck since my rereading of the game has very little to do with the Scripten issue.
Edit2: Okay, point them out.

[Pine]

Point what out? I don't buy the entirety of the voting pairs argument, and that's the only thing you're using

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Beck and Grib voted together on multiple occasions, in some cases within a few posts of each other (240, 246).

FinnLaw changed his mind very fluidly and naturally when it came to Beck. fferyllt's posting on Beck doesn't ping, and she even pointed out a potential scumslip from him. This would be dumb if they were partners.

You already pointed out how you don't think Beck and I are partners.

Beck and Pine's interaction at 77 doesn't look like scum and scum. If you look at Pine's ISO, his peacekeeping when it came to Beck was very much not a scum/scum interaction. I admit this is more gut than not. However, the possibility of Beck/Pine still fits with my "one of Grib and Pine is scum".
Regardless of course, I've got a townread on Beck ALONG WITH all this.

Edit: My townread on Beck since my rereading of the game has very little to do with the Scripten issue.
Edit2: Okay, point them out.

- You're assuming scum never vote one after another
- You're also assuming scum don't point out their partners scum-slips. Here's the thing, it's very, very difficult to get people to believe a genuine scum-slip has occured (from personal experience), they usually brush it off as 'Scum-slips very rarely actually happen' or something along those lines. Therefore, it would have been safe for Ffery to point this out I feel.
-Yeah, it's not like Pine would try to stop his partner from getting lynched, right?

[Scripten]

I think he's Town based on behavior, you seem to have eliminated him based on alleged role, despite the fact that Mafia Neighborizers exist.

Pine, I want you to very, very clearly tell me, preferably with quotes and some damn good analysis, where you're getting the idea that I'm a Neighborizer from.

[Scripten]

By the way, I would ask that nobody else discuss the subject until Pine has answered to avoid affecting his answer to me.

[Grib]

You got it, birthday boy.