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In post 21, Brian Skies wrote:I thought this game was based on House. Which should mean Beck needs to reach a state of near death before any clear diagnosis can be made. I don't even know if he's worth saving yet.
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In post 35, Brian Skies wrote:¯\_(ツ)_/¯
We should do a differential diagnosis.
Beck's a manwhore. So he could have an STD. However, I'm not a specialist in that field and don't know of any STD's that would cause those three symptoms.
Checking the combination of symptoms online, on a site that I don't know is really all that credible, we have Hypomagnesemia, plant poisoning (from this plant), and Reye's Syndrome. However, while all three of those conditions come up from the search, none of the individual pages list fatigue as a symptom (unless listlessness is similar, although Reye's Syndrome lists lethargy). My favorite of the three is Reye's Syndrome just because it looks the most fatal. Checking the same symptoms on WebMD, another site that I don't know is really all that credible, I get almost 100 results back, and each result doesn't exactly list all three symptoms I list.
But when I look at Reye's Syndrome elsewhere, I have trouble finding irregular heartbeat as anything other than a complication of the disease. It seems to be an autoimmune condition most common in younger children and teenagers (adults can get it but it's rare) that are recovering from an illness like a cold or flu. May or may not be linked with aspirin use.
Hypomagnesemia is a condition where there is a low level of magnesium in the blood. Diagnosis and other information that may or may not be credible found here.
"In some instances, people have confused digitalis with the relatively harmless comfrey (Symphytum ) plant, which is often brewed into a tea, with fatal consequences. Other fatal accidents involve children drinking the water in a vase containing digitalis plants.[14] Drying does not reduce the toxicity of the plant. The plant is toxic to animals, including all classes of livestock and poultry, as well as felines and canines."
~Regarding the foxglove plant in the Wikipedia article I linked earlier.
I don't know much about the different cancers or if irregular heartbeats are a common symptom of them (and that Wilson guy always seems to suggest it at some point in the show). I haven't found anything that leads me to believe it does, but maybe there are more specific symptoms that might lead us to believe Beck does have a form of it.
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In post 60, Beck wrote:In post 59, Anatole Kuragin wrote:For googling symptoms? You know scum gets sick too right?
this, plus that is like the easiest thing scum could do to appear town.
The act of googling symptoms is not towny, sure. This time it sure as hell was.
We have something to talk about that is game relevant, thus RVS is fairly useless here. BS instead of continuing the inane conversation we were having put forth the effort to analyze the disease and make himself the center of attention, pushing us into a conversation that can actually be used to scumhunt. His post shows that he put thought and time into trying to work the disease out, which is a trait I attribute to town more so than scum.
Further, I think it is in town's best interest to attempt to heal everyone at this point in the game. I'd like some more information before we start harnessing the diseases to be a vig shot.
On the claiming abilities, I don't really have a problem with it. Scum being able to kill to disrupt healing discounts that scum can get sick too and also assumes that scum have some way of knowing what the disease is before town does.
Beck wrote:WebMD here are the top 10 things when I put my symptoms in the symptom checker listed from most matches to least matches.
Heart rhythm disorderMedication reaction or side-effect
Sleep apneaHyperthyroidism
Atrial fibrillationViral syndrome
Acute sinusitis
Acute stress reactionAlcohol withdrawal (delirium tremens)
Aortic regurgitation
Cocaine abuse
basically I need more symptoms lol
Struck those out because of heart screening and lack of lethality.
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In post 94, Beck wrote:In post 91, Baboon Pride wrote:Why is jingle scum?
Cause hes trying to hard to get town points, and calling DDD, town for that post was buddying
First, I don't have a read on DDD yet. I'm townreading you and BS and scumreading anatole. Second, I'm much better at buddying than that.
In post 95, Beck wrote:In post 42, Jingle wrote:I'm completely fine with claiming doctor-y powers.
not to mention this post.
Only scum would want people to claim their doctor powers on day 1
Untrue. Knowing what we can do and what redundancy we have could help us to diagnose more easily. Further, I like Cadb's point that we can then force people to use their abilities. If scum has a diagnostic ability, I expect they will just not use it and hope town dies to disease as well.
In post 96, Anatole Kuragin wrote:In post 15, Jingle wrote:VOTE: Anatole
Do you plan on fluffposting all game?
The symptoms so far sound like a heart problem to me, so diagnosticians related to the cardiac system might be useful right now.
I don't like this post either. what a tryhard
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Does it bother no one else that Anatole is being ABR's puppet? Also, it's possible that cabd was the one to cure beck, given that he said sepsis ITT less than a page before the VC where beck was cured. If so, that means that mentioning the disease might be enough, and we should refrain from mentioning diseases until we've decided on whether or not we're healing the patient. Assuming we want to use the disease as a possible second lynch. If anyone can confirm/deny that that is the case, please let us know.- Jingle
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I'm gonna be doing some housework today, but I plan to meta dive ABR and Anatole to see if the rest of their games pan out to expectations while I work. Before that though,
In post 169, Beck wrote:In post 128, Jingle wrote:Does it bother no one else that Anatole is being ABR's puppet? Also, it's possible that cabd was the one to cure beck, given that he said sepsis ITT less than a page before the VC where beck was cured. If so, that means that mentioning the disease might be enough, and we should refrain from mentioning diseases until we've decided on whether or not we're healing the patient. Assuming we want to use the disease as a possible second lynch. If anyone can confirm/deny that that is the case, please let us know.
Read the OP, I don't believe mentioning it cures the disease. Mod says people have skills to cure diseases
I did read the OP. It mentions town "will have tools to combat the diseases." It also mentions that if certain players can make a concrete diagnosis, then the players will be cured. It doesn't mention whether the players are told about this ability, or whether it is by PM or in thread. The only thing I want done here is to have anyone who can diagnose a disease, especially in the early stages like with yours, NOT do so until after a vote-count has been posted if the disease they diagnose has been mentioned ITT.- Jingle
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Hmm. So meta dive leaves me with a little useful information to think about. Honestly, the sheeping in FTL was incredibly scummy. ABR's trust of Anatole in that game leaves me more confident that he (ABR) is town here. I will need to do some scum meta on ABR to check that, but I'm thinking town now, especially considering the posts here and in FTL are fairly similar.
As far as I can tell, You only have the two mutual completed games. I was fairly thorough, so correct me if I'm wrong. That means the sheeping thing is pretty null on the Anatole side of things. Anatole's entrance here does feel the same as his entrance in FTL, though, and he seems less whiny than he did in lucky's micro, so I'll come back to him.
Off to read the mantis/kthx/beck interaction then mull a bit.
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I just realized that what I was trying to accomplish with Anatole is flawed. Somehow, I mixed up him and Siveure in our last game and was under the impression that he would make his alignment blatantly obvious after being run up. Sorry about that, man. On that note,
UNVOTE:
I'm at work all night and then I have both work and what looks like it'll be a full day of doctor's appointments tomorrow, so I'm not going be posting much in the next couple of days. I do plan on taking another look at this from a fresh POV though.- Jingle
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In post 331, Beck wrote:ok help me out here
1. who is cabd playing as
2. who is Krystal bad playing as?
3. Who is Baboon Pride
4. why does Bert, Wolfy, and Rogue have less posts than the mod?
I want Wolfy to come back and tell me if he has figured out if anatole is scum or lazy
cabd is part of maracas.
KB is mantis/nikanor hydra (mantis is altslipping)
Baboon Pride is mara who is part of maracas. (I think its a hydra, but I don't know the partner)
Bert at least is a recent replacement. I'm more concerned about Rogue than Wolfy atm, given Rogue is a hydra. But then again, notty always lurks in games I play in.
I should have time to start getting some serious reads out this afternoon, but this weekend is gonna be completely fucked for activity on my part.
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In post 310, Kthxbye wrote:In post 298, Albert B. Rampage wrote:DDD appears to be scum.
Maybe... There aren't enough people actively posting to know for sure. I will say I've used the same line of posting as scum. Basically, come up with a logical reason to not post in depth thoughts...which is what I see DDD doing.
VOTE: Kthxbye
His early reactions reminded me a lot of UDesign, where my read on him was terrible, so I was trying not to jump to conclusions but his ISO pings me like crazy.
Particularly, the whole: "hypocrisy is a scumtell" combined with the quoted post raises all sorts of alarms on a reread.
"I've used the tactic of refraining from posting opinions on play as scum, but I can't judge DDD because other players haven't posted so I'm going to refrain from posting." He's using a scumtell that he himself is saying is part of his scum meta about someone else and doing exactly the same thing, while calling yet another person scum for hypocrisy in scumhunting.
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In post 343, Wolfy wrote:
true I haven't posted a lot - been busy.
Besides, my vote is already in the right place.
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In post 403, Bert wrote:I could really lynch Jingle and Wolfy.
Jingle's hiding behind the meta torch. The research about meta that turned up nothing conclusive (which is odd considering how much effort he apperas to put into that - and time elapsed), then more meta or research about the game's mechanics.
In post 344, Jingle wrote:His early reactions reminded me a lot of UDesign, where my read on him was terrible, so I was trying not to jump to conclusions but his ISO pings me like crazy.
Particularly, the whole: "hypocrisy is a scumtell" combined with the quoted post raises all sorts of alarms on a reread.
"I've used the tactic of refraining from posting opinions on play as scum, but I can't judge DDD because other players haven't posted so I'm going to refrain from posting." He's using a scumtell that he himself is saying is part of his scum meta about someone else and doing exactly the same thing, while calling yet another person scum for hypocrisy in scumhunting.
It's like... Scumception.
I'd like to hear your read about Kthxbye since this post.
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In post 403, Bert wrote:I could really lynch Jingle and Wolfy.
Jingle's hiding behind the meta torch. The research about meta that turned up nothing conclusive (which is odd considering how much effort he appears to put into that - and time elapsed), then more meta or research about the game's mechanics.
I'm not sure I understand what you mean by 'hiding behind the meta torch.' It's true that I've backed off of people because I find their meta shows them doing the things I find suspicious as town. I think you're also vastly overestimating how much time and effort I'm putting into my meta dives. I get distracted a lot.
In post 423, Bert wrote:quickly compiled this just then, totally based on all of the feels yeah. u got Q's then ask them
TOWN
13. shaddowez
12. Kthxbye - experience (maybe)
1. Beck
slightly town:
9. Anatole Kuragin - experience maybe and all of the feels. im extrapolating more than i should from his indignation though. if wiping my brain's experiences out, clean slate would just be null.
10. Mantisdreamz
5. Debonair Danny DiPietro - i changed my mind but it bugs me when people often seem more town when near-death regardless of alignment.
??????
7. Albert B. Rampage - have no idea
2. MC Maraca (Cabd and Ms Marangal) - have no idea
8. Brian Skies - is just and busy and so is
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scummy
4. Wolfy - did you see his incoming defense today?
11. Jingle
6. Rogue (notscience and Malakittens) - can do so much better, just reads everyone as null or just town (big problem) - doesn't see DDD as scum but doesn't commit to anything else. who ya gonna lynch then?
Don't even pretend the Rogue slot isn't a policy lynch. They're being unrepentant lurkers, and that's frustrating, but notty does that in every game I've ever played with him. I can agree with you on Wolfy though.- Jingle
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In post 455, Bert wrote:@Jingle Jingle: What players do you see as town? As scum?
Re: Rogue: I guess we have really different past experiences with Mala/notscience. I put them in the scummy category and I agree they need to post more. However, I don't understand why you brought up "policy." You agree about Wolfy when Wolfy hasn't posted noticeably more than Mala. Lastly, speaking of "unrepentant," Rogue did in fact express remorse in their last few posts.
Rogue expressed remorse, not repented. Repenting requires some form of good behavior to show that the remorse is genuine. Also, I'm attempting to shame notty into playing the game, considering he's one of the reasons I /ined in the first place.
Wolfy hasn't posted considerably more or considerably less than Rogue, but hehasposted considerably worse. Rogue is a PL because there's nothing there to read. I might get behind that if the two of them don't shape up, but it IS a policy lynch.
My town reads so far are Brian, Beck, and ABR. I've got a scumread on Kthx and Wolfy. Most everyone else is varying shades of null. If you want a readslist, my notes aren't organized enough yet.
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[0] Beck:
[0] MC Maraca:
[0] Bert:abr, anatole, kthx
[0] Wolfy:
[5] Debonair Danny DiPietro:
[0] Rogue:
[0] Albert B. Rampage:
[0] Brian Skies:
[0] Anatole Kuragin:shaddowez, mantis
[2] MantisDreamz: shaddowez, maraca
[0] Jingle:Bert, beck
[3] Kthxbye: DDD, Jingle
[0] Shaddowez:
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Crap. Shadowez is only voting for anatole. I missed deleting the previous one. Also
In post 343, Wolfy wrote:In post 331, Beck wrote:
4. why does Bert, Wolfy, and Rogue have less posts than the mod?
I want Wolfy to come back and tell me if he has figured out if anatole is scum or lazy
true I haven't posted a lot - been busy.
Besides, my vote is already in the right place.
anatole isprobablyonly lazy but could be scum pretending to be lazy.
How he interacts with the DDD wagon (or whatever wagon goes to lynch) will help me more - I don't see him as today's lynch.
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In post 502, Bert wrote:
We have just under hours from this/my post.
I have no qualms about voting Mantis if it comes down to her and Anatole. The "why" will come if I can muster up a post this afternoon. for now tl;dr I don't understand her route in the last few posts - and the way she presented the mc maraca vote.
In post 477, Jingle wrote:You're part of the Perpetual Nonsense hydra right? Also, holy shit, the deadline snuck up on me.
Yeah. But we played with you in a large game, and both of us never read the actual game because it was too...large. Lesson learned.
In post 478, Jingle wrote:Also, would someone respond to my case?
It makes sense but doesn't change my opinion - I thought it was going to be based on how your past game with kthxbye-town was different.
I was more thinking about AP's hydra game. And I think we've played before that too.
Also I usually don't build cases off of meta; I use meta to stop myself from death-tunneling.
I'm not a fan of the Bert wagon. He appears to be actually looking for scum, something I don't think I've seen him do as scum. (mild townread)
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This is my second nonmarathon game with nonhydra bert. The first was this http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=58854. He was town. I don't think that game would work even if he wasn't.This is a Parachute.- Jingle
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In post 544, Albert B. Rampage wrote:I'm not making a meta case on Bert but you are making a meta defense that he "wouldn't look like he's scumhunting like this if he were scum", and I fundamentally disagree with you there because I think that's exactly what he would do. "He appears to be looking for scum". That's one of the red flags.
I'm going to ask you to place a vote on Bert at this precarious junction where your own presence and voice in this game can be snuffed out with a well-coordinated scum team.
You don't appear to be making a case at all. You've said you've seen many scumtells and red flags, what are they?This is a Parachute.- Jingle
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In post 927, shaddowez wrote:So, according to this list, taking out the two people who are already dead, there are still five scum, and that's only out of people you've actually talked about. Yep, leaving my vote on you.
Shhh. Shadow, don't give away our five-scum team. We just need to quicklynch today and we're golden.
In post 928, Kthxbye wrote:Damnit shaddowez....
That actually looks pretty damning. Nice post.
VOTE: Anatole
I really don't like this post. If anyone can verify or disprove:
In post 889, Kthxbye wrote:I actually tried to diagnoise/treat Beck with my role and my response was (without quoting MOD PMs) that I didn't diagnose the disease but that I saw the Thyroid starting to have issues.
Please do so now. Based on the heart condition test, I would say that his PR is probably verifiable. I need to look again to see if AK/Kthx might be a scumteam.This is a Parachute.- Jingle
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In post 951, Kthxbye wrote:I have to say, this is fundamentally bad and I'd be ashamed of Venmar if he did this. That puts one (or more?) healing powers solely in the hands of scum who know who is and isn't town. That means, if a town gets a disease and they have the matching healing power to cure that disease, they simply do nothing and get 2 kills for it. No, I'd say that's imbalanced as hell, especially when town with healing powers can choose to not heal due to thinking the diseased person is scum and be wrong, thus screwing ourselves.
As opposed to a game where the diagnostititians (god I fucked that word up. I think) can all claim and confirm themselves? The heart test thingy showed up in the VC. There's no reason not to assume other tests wouldn't do the same. That means the roles are selfconfirmable. You know what doesn't show up in a balanced setup at all? Multiple IC's. Also, why did your Endocrinology test never show up in the VC?
Scum having doctors is literally the only thing that makes sense. Kthx is either scum with power or scum fakeclaiming power.
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Yeah, it's not Jingle.
VOTE: Kthx
In post 1000, Kthxbye wrote:Why the fuck are you two talking like DDD already flipped town?....This is a Parachute.- Jingle
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In post 1052, Kthxbye wrote:In post 1050, Jingle wrote:Yeah, it's not Jingle.
VOTE: Kthx
In post 1000, Kthxbye wrote:Why the fuck are you two talking like DDD already flipped town?....
Legit question: Are you actually reading this game and if you are....are you high?
Yes I am reading the game. And no I'm not high. You are scum though, so nice attempt to dismiss my thoughts.
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In post 1071, Albert B. Rampage wrote:Wolfy and Jingle, if one of you is a protective role, protect the other due to the heavy hints of wink wink role power soft claims
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In post 1081, Albert B. Rampage wrote:If kthx was scum, it would have to almost assuredly be with Anatole due to the connection between them. I'd consider kthx if Wolfy flipped town and Anatole flipped scum.
It almost certainly isn't both kthx and AK off of VCA. Specifically:
D2
[1] Beck: Rogue
[3] Debonair Danny DiPietro: kthxbye, Wolfy, Beck
[3] Anatole Kuragin: Shaddowez, Albert B. Rampage, MC Maraca
[3] Kthxbye: DDD, Anatole Kuragin, Ika
There is roughly a 0% chance in my mind that that is all three scum.
In post 1081, Albert B. Rampage wrote:If kthx was scum, it would have to almost assuredly be with Anatole due to the connection between them. I'd consider kthx if Wolfy flipped town and Anatole flipped scum.
Please explain this. I haven't seen anything to tie the two that firmly together.
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So let's start with why I don't think the DDD tunnel from Kthx precludes Kthx/DDD scumteam.
A weak vote as soon as he starts getting pressured. This is scum hopping onto a wagon. He's bussing without actually adding to the case against DDD.
In post 406, Kthxbye wrote:In post 404, Anatole Kuragin wrote:Kthx, wolf, shadow, or mantis should be the lynch candidates today.
And why is that (for each if you would)?
You've voted me yet never really asked me any questions (ie, tried to figure out if I'm scum), or really explained any reason as to why you think I should be a lynch candidate.
You've said/quoted/addressed both wolfy and shadow even LESS than you've mentioned/voted me.
Mantis is the only person on your "lynch candidates" list that you've shown any real suspicion of.
p404 is lacking any town motivation.
VOTE: Anatole
I still don't like DDD, but that above quoted post pinged my scumdar way too much to remain there, especially since if one of the 2 is scum, the other probably isn't. If both are scum, that's some damn fine distancing.
Here he jumps off of the wagon to vote AK as soon as he can, putting much more effort into proving "AK is scum" than he ever did with "DDD is scum."
In post 658, Kthxbye wrote:Holy shit, I'm on the same page as shaddowez...? What's this world coming to?
Anyway, yeah, way to say the exact sentiment I said then vote the logical counter wagon to yours.
VOTE: DDD
L-1
It looks like DDD is getting lynched? Well, here Kthx jumps right back onto the wagon, again without pushing a why.
In post 835, Kthxbye wrote:Go ahead and ISO me and /find DDD. I haven't liked him all game.
Add in the fact he hammered the claimed PR. Add in the fact that he's on my wagon and suddenly super quiet while I'm at L-1. Add in the fact that I (being town) am the super fast counter wagon to his. Add in the fact that he has been wagoned BOTH days and has suddenly dropped off the lynch pool to wagon town both days (D1 looks especially bad as BOTH BERT AND MANTIS, which were the 2 counter wagons to his, both flipped town). Add in the fact that he refused to claim....twice now.
It's not hard to see why I think he's scum and thus voted him. Actually, going back through it all again...
VOTE: DDD
It's getting really hard to respect Venmar's soft warning. Sad thing is, after going back to try and figure out if you're scum or not, even though your overall actions say scum, your posting actually reads town. So get off it and try to not tunnel for a few posts and actually see my POV.
VCA:
MantisDreamz: MC Maraca, Bert, Brian Skies, shaddowez, Rogue,Wolfy,DDD
Kthxbye: Jingle,DDD, Anatole Kuragin, Beck,Wolfy
VCA also points to me being right.
So, if you all lynch me today, you now have all the work done for you to lynch scum back to back. You're all welcome.
@MOD:
In post 690, Brian Skies wrote:I'll catch up in a bit. Sorry for my absence.
^BS's last post. What's the status of this slot?
Here's where he sets up the False Dichotomy I don't believe. He's forcing the narrative of Kthx town OR DDD town. I have seen no proof of the former.
In post 839, Kthxbye wrote:Nope, I am what I claimed.
Forgot about the vt claim.
Yeah, let's lynch the PR over VT...genius.
I'm not avoiding anything.
How bout this, I'll even self vote tomorrow if DDD flips town.
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In post 1125, Kthxbye wrote:Hey Jingle, I'm gonna re-post this since you completely ignored it and skirted around it with that pick and choose quote "case" you made in p1103.
In post 1086, Kthxbye wrote:@Anatole andPlease explain how you all think I'm scum after D1 and D2 results? Specifically, explain what my motivation is to get DDD lynched yesterday when it looked like we'd be lynching Anatole or myself instead before that. Anatole, I'm very interested in your response seeing as you say you're town and you were on the chopping block yesterday. Why would scum me push for DDD's lynch over your lynch if you're town?Jingle:
p.edit:How can you say I'm scum by play when you obviously care about VCA and yesterdays VCA says I'm assuredly not scum? Why do I push DDD over Anatole yesterday? Unless all 3 of us are scum in your mind (which you stated you don't see how that's possible), me being scum and pushing a bus on DDD over a town-Anatole wagon makes absolutely no sense if I'm scum. Answer this on top of the above questioning.
The bottom is also addressed to you since...you know...my p.edit came directly after your post.
Oh hey, look I come back to the thread to see some more Kthx bullshit. Let's disassemble, shall we?
Why would scum bus? Let's just leave this here, shall we? Now why did Kthx bus here? Because "Go ahead and ISO me and /find DDD. I haven't liked him all game." His own words. What would it look like if he didn't jump onto the DDD wagon? The same please don't kill me attitude that he's had all game.
Now, let's pick apart your "case" to show how bad it is.
-my p322 is in fact not a weak vote. If you read the context, you'll see his complete refusal to answer my question with some (and now we know why...he was scum) bs reason about handing me a cheat sheet of what he's looking for....
Oh look! He's inserting reasoning after the flip! And he was sheeping ABR on the push in the first place! That means he must not be scum!
-my p406. Oh, wow, town NEVER changes votes with the new shiney. Oh, and look, that was about the time the DDD wagon dissipated. He went from L-1, to L-2 with ABR's unvote in p400, to L-3 with Bert's unvote in p402. If I'm going to go for a 'bus my buddy' tactic you say you think I'm doing, wouldn't it be better for me to continue to bus my buddy?
"Nuh-uh! Everybody was jumping off there!" And how is that town exactly? You wanted to be seen as pushing his lynch, but as soon as it looked reasonable you jump to push elsewhere.
-read my p658, read shadowwez p657. This 'point' in the case is just a flat out lie. Nice try.
-the PROOF is in the above questions you failed to acknowledge or answer.
No it isn't. Your previous post was literally "Wagon me up, Bitches." The next post is three days later. But nice try. It's almost like you're scum.
-my p839 is a statement of confidence in my read not a slip of knowledge of scum. Also, as ABR pointed out, ika did the same thing. Is ika know my scum buddy because he 'knew DDD would flip scum'?
Your case is, as pointed out, completely full of holes. Anyone could find a million different examples of townies saying and doing the same things. Wanna know why? Cuz that's town play.
IKA's response didn't have the same feel of insider knowledge. He felt genuine. You did not.
It's also really cool how you say that anyone could find millions of examples and don't actually find any examples. It's like, y'know, they don't exist.
Let's look at some facts. We have a scum flip which was goon. We have absolutely zero proof that scum have a healing PR. We have the idea that scum COULD be healers too, which is completely stupid and OP from a pure game mechanics view. And we have Jingle completely unable to answer my questions b/c he can't explain his reasons without looking scummy or completely backtracking. He's going to push my lynch the rest of the day and if town follow it, well, I have no hope for a town win.
I also feel like I need to spell out why I highly doubt scum have a healing PR.
Let's take when Beck (confirmed town) got sick. Let's say due to the randomness of chance, scum does have a healing power and that is the power that cures Beck. Scum, knowing Beck is town, simply don't cure him. Beck dies and scum just got a free kill for doing nothing. I do NOT see the MOD allowing this possibility.
Now, let's say I'm right and town have the healing powers and someone with the right power to cure Beck thinks he's scum. That townie refuses to use his power and Beck dies. THIS is how I see the game setup and strategy being employed in this game.
In one scenario, scum get a kill do to happenstance and it has nothing to do with reads/skill of playing the game. In the second scenario, town uses reads/skill of playing the game to either save a fellow townie (who they don't KNOW is town) or condemn them.
No. This is stupid. THE DIAGNOSIS PR'S ARE CONFIRMABLE. AT LEAST THREE OF THEM EXIST, ASSUMING YOU ACTUALLY ARE AN ENDOCRINOLOGIST. HAVING THREE PLAYERS WHO ARE VIRTUALLY INNOCENT CHILDREN THAT CHOOSE WHEN TO BE CONFIRMED IS A TERRIBLE SETUP DESIGN. WE'VE SEEN MC (Who you're pushing as scum btw) CURE TWO PLAYERS, ONE WITHOUT ANY DIAGNOSTIC HELP, SO ITS OBVIOUS THAT THE DIAGNOSTICIANS AREN'T NECESSARY TO STOP THE DISEASE.
Why is this claim from Kthx scummy? He's claimed diagnostician and then spent the entire game since going: "Diagnosticians are conftown." He's grabbing towncred anywhere he can, and it's scummy as all hell.
Next topic, I just found this while telling scum-Jingle just how bad his case is.
In post 404, Anatole Kuragin wrote:DDD's last post looks townie. Kthx, wolf, shadow, or mantis should be the lynch candidates today.
Town, town-read, town-read, conf town. Those were Anatole's lynch candidates. Even a blind squire finds a nut and I'm not seeing him find a single one in that post. I could be wrong on wolf or shadow, but I'm feeling pretty confident in those reads.
If the remaining town can't see the logic in my post and specifically, can't see how I turned a possible not lynching of DDD to a lynch of confirmed scum DDD around yesterday as town play, well, there's no more I can do. If Jingle isn't scum, then I think it almost has to be Anatole. Willing to lynch either one today.
Burden of Proficiency, much?
In post 1149, Kthxbye wrote:In post 1137, MC Maraca wrote:you really think both scum in a single game will push the same line of thought?
Sorry, missed it at the time. Yes, I obviously do think this. I will admit however, since more people than there are likely scum are pushing the same line of thought about scum-healers, well, it's kinda null. But, I still think multiple scum would push it in this case if the reward (after multiple town healers flip they can fake claim a healer) outweighs the risk.
What the fresh fuck? How could scum fake-claim a confirm-able role? Seriously, how the hell is this a concern of yours if you're actually a diagnostician?
In post 1156, Kthxbye wrote:Know what Anatole, you're not off the hook as I still want you to answer my questions, but I'm pretty confident in Jingle being scum right now. Wanna know why? I'll tell you.
Jingle has, like you, not answered my questions. The difference is, you're at least posting while I'm directly confrunting you. Know who isn't? Jingle. But wait, it gets better. His last post in THIS game was on the 15th. Take a gander at when his last post on site was. It was the 16th, but do you think he bothered to address me in THIS game? NOPE.
Now, I ask myself why he ignored this game on the 16th and the only answer from where I sit is because you and him are both on the hot seat to answer me, but since you are posting, scum-him is willing to let you take the heat while he sits back and cools off. Not gonna happen, not on my watch.
VOTE: Jingle
Good news for you Anatole is I don't see both of you being scum. If Jingle flips scum, you're off the hook.
Ohhhhh. I'm very sorry that you're not my top priority. It's almost like I have a life. If you want I can walk you through my day, but I'm a little too pissed at how ridiculous your arguments are right now to give a fuck.
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Kthxbye wrote:Jingle, are you still sick...3 days after you'd hoped to set aside time for this game or are you just waiting on a VC? If the latter, problem solved. If the latter, problem solved.
Sorry, but I didn't get to this today. I really like the misrep there though. Also the insinuation that I haven't been pushing for my preferred lynch today is just glorious. I'm fucking furious at other things right now, but I'm not moving my vote today. Kthx is scum, and when he flips scum I'm going to rub it in all of your faces.This is a Parachute.- Jingle
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In post 1227, Kthxbye wrote:oh Jingle, you're so bad at this...or you're scum. Either way, you should go back to being 'sick'.
Oh, and not believing you're sick for a week =/= misrep. Funny how I can provoke you into posting multiple times this game though....
It's more funny how the amount of time I was sick keeps increasing.
I really don't like Wolfy's play, but there's a reason I don't want to vote him today that I can't talk about. How about kthx instead? It's pretty damn obvious that he's scum.This is a Parachute. - Jingle
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