Mini 1610 - House M.D. Mafia! (Day 5!)

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VOTE: Mantis

much <3 babe.

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I don't like the fact the kthx wagon is over half full already.

Pussy

VOTE: shaddowez

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I'm worried that when the next VC is posted, Beck is going to have some more issues.

I've been doing some google myself, and I think it's possible that Beck has Lyme disease and this is what I think should be treated. If his Thyroid starts failing, this is mostly likely his disease.

Could also be FMS.

We should treat for both and see if he improves.

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I'd like to lynch kthxbye.

Go for it.

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Spoiler: some of shaddowez 'epic contributions'

VOTE: kthxbye

The name says it all.

Beck, what medicines are you taking that you've lied to us about not taking?

3. It is in town's best interest to massclaim only the "ability to cure types of diseases" part of roles on day one. Specifically, this forces scum to follow town consensus for healing.

An extra benefit of this is that killing the "healer" for a sick person effectively makes them an innocent child while they suffer before their death, which can be HUGE in forcing scum to make sub-optimal kills.

4. We need to treat whoever is infected like they are up for a second lynch, following (3) happens. A simple vote of "heal" or "do not heal" would likely be sufficient.

3. How does this help force scum into making sub-optimal kills? Wouldn't getting rid of the healer help them eliminate two townies for the price of one?

4. If the healer is dead as a result of point 3...how can we heal them?

If I'm understanding the theory properly, if scum kills the healer, they're making the diseased person conftown. Since they won't necessarily die right away, that gives town a slight advantage.

3. It is in town's best interest to massclaim only the "ability to cure types of diseases" part of roles on day one. Specifically, this forces scum to follow town consensus for healing.

An extra benefit of this is that killing the "healer" for a sick person effectively makes them an innocent child while they suffer before their death, which can be HUGE in forcing scum to make sub-optimal kills.

4. We need to treat whoever is infected like they are up for a second lynch, following (3) happens. A simple vote of "heal" or "do not heal" would likely be sufficient.

3. How does this help force scum into making sub-optimal kills? Wouldn't getting rid of the healer help them eliminate two townies for the price of one?

4. If the healer is dead as a result of point 3...how can we heal them?

If I'm understanding the theory properly, if scum kills the healer, they're making the diseased person conftown. Since they won't necessarily die right away, that gives town a slight advantage.

Or a free poisoner-like ability?

That's true, too. You also have to think about the fact that the diseased could be scum, though. If they're consistently killing healers, they're auto-killing one of their own. If they all of a sudden decide not to kill a healer, there's a good chance the diseased person in scum. Otherwise, they have to not kill the healers on a regular basis to give diseased-scum a chance of staying in the game.

UNVOTE:

I don't like the fact the kthx wagon is over half full already. Mine was an RVS vote, and we've had two naked votes on him since RVS (though one of them is supposedly just for sheeping).

Also, possible MS?

Spoiler: A few more of shaddowez 'epic contributions'

What a boring vote.

He looks more town than he does scum atm.

Referring to the Brian vote or the Jingle vote?

VOTE: kthxbye

He's contributed so much to the game, I'm not sure how we'll proceed without him. [/sarcasm]

.....

yeah....I like my vote and it's for realz.

In before someone says OMGUS...read above, it's not.

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Are you all seriously trying to push a quicklynch based on....uh....wait....what is this based on?

Do you all not have a real life that includes family and work?

That's the only explaination I can think of.

Read my post about trying to figure out what was ailing Beck. Should be all you need to know in there. Also, I don't know about the rest of you, but nowhere in my PM does it explain exactly HOW to go about submitting a diagnosis. I'm also curious to know if the proper diagnosis was posted in thread if it would have been counted and Beck would have been cured.

After that, read my p120 and tell me how shaddowez flips that fast in 6 pages reads as town to you.

More votes shaddowez.

@shaddowez: How do you go from being uncomfortable of my RVS wagon building quickly to your p110? It looks like your reason for voting me is lurker hunting. Are there any other 'lurkers' that peek your interest? If no, why not?

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wow. please lynch me today so I wont have to deal with this trainwreck of a town any longer than necessary...

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Manits darlin....my vote is on said person.

@ABR: um...do I need to claim? Is that the purpose of the speed wagon? Do you have zero thoughts on anything I've posted thus far *coughreadmypostonshaddowezcough*.....?

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Mantis actually looks kinda town.

You must not know Mantis.

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Don't hold your breath darling. People in this game don't explain anything, let alone their reasons for posting stuff nor their votes.

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kthx lynch is bad
kthx is defensive

Both are correct.

I throw the gauntlet down right here and now. Someone show me a single (yup, just ONE) game where only the scum in the game got defensive and I will gladly self vote the second I read it. Go ahead. This "he/she is scum b/c they are defensive of a wagon on them" posting I've seen recently is beyond stupid. If anything, it's a null tell at best.

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No worries, I am. I am also wanting to think you are town. So far I think you are. We should be super friends.

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No worries, I am. I am also wanting to think you are town. So far I think you are. We should be super friends.

we are super friends already tho!

Secret crush and super friend aren't the same thing

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Shaddowez all the way hun.

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@Beck: Go ahead and explain how they are scum posts.

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Ya'll do realize Manits is a

she

not a

he

right?

Anyway....

@Beck: You're full of shit.

...you aren't trying to find out why people are voting you, which is something a townie would /should do imo

This is shit because you are answer a question I asked you about why you are voting me??? Come on man. Also, I address everyone voting me with:

Are you all seriously trying to push a quicklynch based on....uh....wait....what is this based on?

...so...yeah, you're full of shit.

Not to mention your attempted push on shadow looks weak, reasons aren't good enough imo

My push on shaddowez isn't weak at all, you just aren't reading anything I'm posting apparently. The reason I'm voting shaddowez (and the reason other town should be voting him) is because he jumps off my wagon because is suspicious that others are jumping on for no reason and his vote is RVS. He then turns around and jumps right back on with regurgitated reasoning of my activity level being weak...while at the same time having no actual activity himself (hypocrisy is for the scum).

Let me ask you this (since you think the push is weak), are THOSE things I pointed out about shaddowez what you think are things "a townie would /should do"?

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That's funny....you voted me before I jumped back on your wagon, so how can the reason you're voting me because I jumped back on your wagon?

Truth. My original reason for voting you is your hop off my wagon before it really gained any steam but looked like it might. Then you jump right back on which just makes the whole thing even scummier.

This is you asking a rhetorical question cause it wasn't directed at anyone in particular

What part of, "what is this (my wagon) based on?" do you think is rhetorical exactly? Rhetorical questions usually get answered by the person who asks. No, it was legit and I'd still like an answer from those who haven't given one.

Laziness is scummy

Actually, it's scum who more often than not make sure to read all the rules...you know, seeing as they are a minority and all and can't really afford mistakes.

Jumping off for being wary, thinking about it and deciding a person is still likely scum is 100% what I would expect to come from a townie.

Maybe...unless you actually care to look at his 'reason' for jumping back on....which is yet another thing I've already pointed out.

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At least that's how I see it

You see it wrong. I'm telling you what I meant by it and you are ignoring that.

You are mad you got votes, you lash out at who you feel is the more useless/easiest target and nobodys really listening to you and you come out looking worse for it (my opinion)

Again, your opinion is crap. I'm looking at my wagon for scum and shaddowez vote is the weakest.

Sadly, I have you as town, so I'm done with arguing semantics with you.

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Because neither are contradictory and shaddowez timing is suspect.

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Why do you think there has to be scum on your wagon already?

Because the votes are bad and I'm town? (<---Rhetorical question)

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That's pretty lazy scumhunting.

You don't think it's more likely that you're just playing scummy?

Lazy?....As opposed to your vote hopping?

So please tell me why is being contradictory a scumtell to you if you keep catching townies doing it?

Because is scummy? (<---Rhetorical)

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The hyper activity of ABR, Mantis, and Beck put them in the town pile.

shaddowez is still my number 1 scum read.

I'm wary of DDD and Brian because I expected more from them to this point from my past experience with them.

I have a feeling scum are sitting back right now and watching right now due to the hyper activity.

@my town reads: If I'm town, who is the most likely to be scum. Do you agree with my thoughts above (again, if you can picture me as town)? If not, which of you hyper active players is the scum of the group of hyper active players?

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because of his reaction to his wagon.

Please quote which post(s) reveal the reaction that you feel isn't town and how the reaction is a scum reaction. Also, please reference other closed games where you see scum react in way you describe.

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I'm not going to waste my time, if you're so distraught over my vote give me a reason to move it but this post was a pretty big anchor holding it in place.

I'm not distraught over your vote, I'm trying to figure out why you voted. Saying something ('his posts are a scum reaction') is easy, explaining why you said it ('they are a scums reaction because of X, Y and Z') is something that should be easy (if you're town). Your post is just a big ole pile of avoiding the latter which as I said, should be easy if you're town.

Now, why don't you go ahead and "waste" that time of yours.

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My p296. <----scumhunting.

Your p294. <----do my scum hunting for me. ("give me a reason to move it")

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DDD appears to be scum.

Maybe... There aren't enough people actively posting to know for sure. I will say I've used the same line of posting as scum. Basically, come up with a logical reason to not post in depth thoughts...which is what I see DDD doing.

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BZZZZZZ, wrong answer.

VOTE: DDD

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And the peasants rejoice...

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KILL HIM!!!!

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"lynch someone who isn't me"

pretty much, yeah. That and your ridiculous "reasons" for voting me in the first place.

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i still like kthx for town. even with his interjection to exclaim that DDD should be killed, and nothing more.

That's cuz you're smart....




aaaaaaaaand you secretly have an internet crush on me...

For realz though, I don't like 3xD. I also don't like shaddowez. Both give me ill feelings.

D1's suck.

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Kthx, wolf, shadow, or mantis should be the lynch candidates today.

And why is that (for each if you would)?

You've voted me yet never really asked me any questions (ie, tried to figure out if I'm scum), or really explained any reason as to why you think I should be a lynch candidate.

You've said/quoted/addressed both wolfy and shadow even LESS than you've mentioned/voted me.

Mantis is the only person on your "lynch candidates" list that you've shown any real suspicion of.

p404 is lacking any town motivation.

VOTE: Anatole

I still don't like DDD, but that above quoted post pinged my scumdar way too much to remain there, especially since if one of the 2 is scum, the other probably isn't. If both are scum, that's some damn fine distancing.

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Nevermind, that's DDD and ABR that are butting heads. Got you confused for a minute. Everything else still stands.

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DDD: Thoughts/read on Anatole?

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@Anatole: so...you don't have any reasons for why you have me, wolfy, or shaddowez as your D1 lynch candidates?

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@Anatole: so...you don't have any reasons for why you have me, wolfy, or shaddowez as your D1 lynch candidates?

Do I need a reason for D1 lynch candidates other than you all post non-committal, baseless garbage?

Show me

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Like, do you really think the reasoning you've given for anything this game is solid? Enough to vote someone for calling players scummy without spelling out why?

Absolutely...specially when you don't or barely even mention 75% of those players you are calling scummy till your list of candidates came out.

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Are you arguing that you mentioned suspicion of myself, wolfy or shaddowez before recently? And no, votes with no reasoning don't count as mentioning suspicion if that's what you're getting at.

Also, why are you avoiding explaining your reads?

All you are doing is discredit tactics.

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VOTE: Kthxbye

On the mafia side of things, I'd like Anatole to explain his naked vote on K. TYIA.

sheeping ABR is consistently a good move for me

VOTE: kthxbye

Do we have a real life and families? Wut

Those are your votes....

....and reasons? You call those explanation of votes?

which I'm assuming is why you're trying to make a case out of nothing right now

The case is not out of nothing, the case is you not being able to explain something you posted. You haven't even touched your wolfy or shaddowez scum reads even if anyone bought that you "explained" your votes on me. You act as though "explaining" 50% of your scum reads is somehow coming from a town mindset and is a good thing!

No, you got caught, called out, and now are flailing like I'd expect scum to flail.

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No, you got caught, called out, and now are flailing like I'd expect scum to flail.

Which part of me calling you an idiot indicates alignment?

The part where you STILL refuse to explain your 'scum reads' on Wolfy and shaddowez (and myself but apparently you somehow think you did already).

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No, you got caught, called out, and now are flailing like I'd expect scum to flail.

Funny I don't see him flailing, are you sure you are reading the same game as me?

Are you not curious as to his scum reads on players he never mentioned? Are you not curious as to why he still ignoring giving reasons for said reads?

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You realize I'm not the one that called those "'scum reads'" and so you shouldn't put it in quotes, right? I said you guys should be the lynch pool.

Enough to vote someone for

calling players scummy

without spelling out why?

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we need some direction.

Though this is true enough.

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but that could be partly due to the fact that i am 99% sure you are scum so there is some bias there

Too bad you 100% barking up the wrong tree.

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MOD:

Deadline:
Wednesday, September 24th, 2014

Is that the end of the day 24th or at the start of the new day 24th?

Also, can we get a VC please?

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I just don't trust you al, I am pretty sure you have been on every single wagon that has gotten more than 3 or 4 votes and that worries me.

This is stupid. In all my MS life I have maybe only seen 1 or 2 scum actually vote hop on every wagon that gains steam. This is because scum try and hide and not be so obvious about being on wagons.

ABR is probably my highest town read and I will sheep due to nobody listening to me on Anatole.

VOTE: bert

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@bert: Your wagon is going to gain steam fast most likely. Its partly deadline and partly ABR being so town that others will follow like me. If you're a PR, you might wanna go ahead and claim as such quick.

@ABR: I can also follow you onto Jingle.

Basically, as long as it isn't my neck, I'll vote the highest wagon today.

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don't you think there may be a disconnect in the way you approach making conclusions on players?

Probably. I'm much better at playing scum than I am as town. Read my tag.

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@Kthxbye: Doctor Jessica Adams, VT.

I must have stopped watching house before as I don't even remember that character in the show....

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Rogue is actually a good option today as well. I would have expected more content from a hydra of NS and Mala.

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yeah....shame....

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you'll be the only one kicking yourself

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why, beckalium?

cause I am not seeing anything scummy from him and the wagon seemed to literally come out of nowhere.

It's true, it did. It's mostly a following of ABR who looks extremely town to me.

Like I said, if we counter Bert with rogue, I'm totally game. Otherwise, I'll just continue to sheep ABR

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^Yep, she'd accuse you of bussing me if you voted me.

...it's only a bus if you flip scum.

scumslip?

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Do you not understand?

I guess not. Why would she say that if you flipped town?

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Let's take a look at the Mantis wagon:

(6) MantisDreamz: Mc Maraca, Bert, Brian, shaddowez, rogue, wolfy --------- L-1

I don't have town reads on any of those on her wagon. Most are null, but none are town.

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need votes on Bert asap. Beck is likely town.

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if this goes no lynch, Bert is likely scum. If he is lynched in time, well we get a flip

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^this.

Though, to be fair, the same result ended up happening....which says to me off the bat that Bert's death "arrest" wasn't scum but town. Good shot whoever.

Moving on though...

VCA says:

MantisDreamz

: MC Maraca,

Bert

, Brian Skies, shaddowez, Rogue, Wolfy, DDD

There be scum in these hills.

I'm thinking I'm ok letting Wolfy die from his disease....

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Wagon me up bitches.

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Holy shit, I'm on the same page as shaddowez...? What's this world coming to?

Anyway, yeah, way to say the exact sentiment I said then vote the logical counter wagon to yours.

VOTE: DDD

L-1

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Why isn't DDD dead yet?

Also, can we all at least agree that Wolfy should die of disease?

I for one am not gonna even attempt to figure out what's wrong with him.

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I'm Dr Cuddy you idiots. Way to pull a claim for a literally zero cased bullshit wagon.

Morons.

You'll prolly let scum lynch me today like you lynched a PR day 1.

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surprise...Beck wants to lynch another PR...

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endocrinologist. I'm phone posting so can't quote easily, but if you ISO me you'll see something about the thyroid that I posted when trying to cure Beck

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beck your an idiot or scum. if your town, stop your tunnel over nothing. if youre scum, continue.

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or what? your openly lynch town on principle? thats about the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

And don't worry, I stand by what I said and I don't think you're an idiot.

If, on the off chance you are actually town though....

DDD should be lynched today as his wagon magically disappears due to speed yet mine stays at l-1 even after a PR claim. hmmmmm, not rocket science to see that DDD is the scum and Beck (who incidentally is the one to quickly jump off his wagon) is a likely partner. Notice how fast my wagon jumped and how THAT doesnt seem to bother those that it bothered just pages before.

If I'm lynched, I fully expect a DDD quick lynch on the morrow.

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So, I'm still at L-1.

If you plan on lynching me, lynch away.

I will say however that I don't like how Wolfy used his 3 posts and I think the way he used them and the timing was scummy.

Post 1: votes me

I then name claim AND hint super strongly (hell, I'd say I came right out and said it) that I was a PR.

Post 2 and 3: these come before I get a chance to claim what my PR is and he has no way of knowing if he'll be cured.

What's this mean you ask? He put his vote on town, that town claimed to be a PR, and without knowing if he'd get to post again afterwards, he used his next 2 posts (note: not saving one in case of the need to unvote a PR) to keep his vote on me.

I can't say that I can see any town motivation in that. I can however see scum motivation all over the place. If scum, Wolfy makes sure his vote is on AND STAYS ON a claimed PR townie if he doesn't get cured and gets more posts.

Now, let's look at Wolfies soft PR claim. He claimed to have a night action. I'm the exact same as our previously lynched town PR in that my PR is to try and diagnose someones disease during the day. I'm very wary (with his play today in mind) of this soft claim to have done something at night. I also can't see any town motivation in holding that night action and it's result when he doesn't know if he'll be able to post again. If town and worried about death and not being able to post again in the day, he deliberately held this supposed information from town.

Now, that all being said, I was the super quick counter wagon to DDD. This pretty much screams that DDD is scum. It's very possible both are scum and that's where I sit now. From a just pure play aspect though, Wolfy's actions today make him the more sure bet to flip scum.

VOTE: Wofly

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He put his vote on town, that town claimed to be a PR

Or

He put his vote down on scum, that scum claimed to be a PR.

Your actions this game don't make you look like you are town. Twice hopping on a DDD wagon without reasoning don't make you look town, and your attitude/behavior dont make you look town

Hammer away

You are really really really bad at mafia.....or you're scum.

Like really bad or really scum.

Like, I have no idea how you've won any games on this site without being carried.

So yeah, hammer away. So maybe you all can pull your heads out and listen.

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MC, go ahead and hammer pls.

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There is no case on me yet I've been at L-1 after my PR claim.

There is no way we are winning this game with this player list.

If you all can't see the logic in things, then kill me off so I can make fun of you in the dead QT.

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Mmm... I think you're probably town. Maybe help me get shaddowz lynched?

I am, but doesn't matter.

IN FACT, if when we claim, we (as a majority apparently) are willing to lynch town PR, why aren't we just mass claiming?

Anyway, I can't help you with shaddowez cuz recently I've been reading him as town.

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Oh, snap, I can hammer myself....hmmmmmmmmm

Maybe after another Beck post.

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Naw, goes against my wincon and I like Venmar so I won't do that to him.

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kthx - What do you think about Anatole?

I've gone back and forth on him all game.

Right now, DDD, wolfy, Beck, and Anatole are the top of my scum reads.

Yeah, I know, all of them are on my crap wagon. Yeah, you could call it OMGUS. The key difference though, is I know 1 alignment and I know my wagon is crawling with scum because not this many town can be so fucking...............uh...........blind.

I'm good lynching any of the above 4.

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Recently I like his votes and his posting.

Reads as genuine vs D1.

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Make a case on somebody. You complain nobody made a case on you, yet you haven't made a case on anyone that I've seen.

I will say however that I don't like how Wolfy used his 3 posts and I think the way he used them and the timing was scummy.

Post 1: votes me

I then name claim AND hint super strongly (hell, I'd say I came right out and said it) that I was a PR.

Post 2 and 3: these come before I get a chance to claim what my PR is and he has no way of knowing if he'll be cured.

What's this mean you ask? He put his vote on town, that town claimed to be a PR, and without knowing if he'd get to post again afterwards, he used his next 2 posts (note: not saving one in case of the need to unvote a PR) to keep his vote on me.

I can't say that I can see any town motivation in that. I can however see scum motivation all over the place. If scum, Wolfy makes sure his vote is on AND STAYS ON a claimed PR townie if he doesn't get cured and gets more posts.

Now, let's look at Wolfies soft PR claim. He claimed to have a night action. I'm the exact same as our previously lynched town PR in that my PR is to try and diagnose someones disease during the day. I'm very wary (with his play today in mind) of this soft claim to have done something at night. I also can't see any town motivation in holding that night action and it's result when he doesn't know if he'll be able to post again. If town and worried about death and not being able to post again in the day, he deliberately held this supposed information from town.

Now, that all being said, I was the super quick counter wagon to DDD. This pretty much screams that DDD is scum. It's very possible both are scum and that's where I sit now. From a just pure play aspect though, Wolfy's actions today make him the more sure bet to flip scum.

Learn to read?

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Go ahead and ISO me and /find DDD. I haven't liked him all game.

Add in the fact he hammered the claimed PR. Add in the fact that he's on my wagon and suddenly super quiet while I'm at L-1. Add in the fact that I (being town) am the super fast counter wagon to his. Add in the fact that he has been wagoned BOTH days and has suddenly dropped off the lynch pool to wagon town both days (D1 looks especially bad as BOTH BERT AND MANTIS, which were the 2 counter wagons to his, both flipped town). Add in the fact that he refused to claim....twice now.

It's not hard to see why I think he's scum and thus voted him. Actually, going back through it all again...

VOTE: DDD

It's getting really hard to respect Venmar's soft warning. Sad thing is, after going back to try and figure out if you're scum or not, even though your overall actions say scum, your posting actually reads town. So get off it and try to not tunnel for a few posts and actually see my POV.

VCA:
MantisDreamz: MC Maraca, Bert, Brian Skies, shaddowez, Rogue,

Wolfy

,

DDD

Kthxbye: Jingle,

DDD

, Anatole Kuragin, Beck,

Wolfy

VCA also points to me being right.

So, if you all lynch me today, you now have all the work done for you to lynch scum back to back. You're all welcome.

@MOD:

I'll catch up in a bit. Sorry for my absence.

^BS's last post. What's the status of this slot?

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Nope, I am what I claimed.

Forgot about the vt claim.

Yeah, let's lynch the PR over VT...genius.

I'm not avoiding anything.

How bout this, I'll even self vote tomorrow if DDD flips town.

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When/if I'm lynched today and flip town, I hope you realize you tunnel to the point of being REALLY bad at and for town and are likely (you certainly are this game) wrong a majority of the time.

Also, "Town would want to prove themselves" is about the dumbest shit I've ever read. Let me be clear and say that I'm not calling you dumb as a person, but this comment if fucking stupid beyond belief.

How does one "prove" themselves? Oh, I know, with claims and pointing out who scum is....both of which I've done and will continue to do.



Now Beck, I'm done with you. You can't see past your own tunnel vision. Continue to push all you want.

p.e: Yes Wolfy, bus that partner. Question for you though. What was the purpose of voting me and then not unvoting after I claimed and on the off chance you weren't cured. Basically, I want to see your defense against my case of why I think you're scum.

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Kthx, link me to a game where you were a PR and were lynched or almost lynched.

Also most recent town and scum games.

Thanks

Yeah, I'm not going to do your leg work for you.

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Whatever, I'm voting for Anatole

I'm town, albert

4 days and this is the best you got? Who are your top 3 scum reads, why, how do you see them linked and what are your reasons for riding my wagon vs pushing my lynch?


@DDD: who else is scum? Cuz all it looks like to me is you riding Beck's coattails trying to save your scum face. Do you have scum reads? If so, how do they link to me if I were to flip scum?

@everyone not voting myself or DDD: If you had to choose right now between lynching me or DDD, who would you switch to and why?

[Kthxbye]

Okay, that may be my fault.

I was phone posting and trying to do so quickly enough to avoid a quicklynch.

I was going back and forth on my phone between my role PM and trying to copy/paste Endocrinologist into the post. It wasn't going well and I had to head into work so I went with PR. Came back out to phone on break and wrote it down so I could put it in a post.

At the time, and now that it's an issue it looks pretty silly, but I didn't want to just spell it and look like a moron if/when I spelled it incorrectly.

So yeah, if that's what gets me lynch, that's my fault.....EXCEPT...

You can simply look at my post:

I'm worried that when the next VC is posted, Beck is going to have some more issues.

I've been doing some google myself, and I think it's possible that Beck has

Lyme

disease and this is what I think should be treated. If his

Thyroid

starts failing, this is mostly likely his disease.

Could also be

FMS

.

We should treat for both and see if he improves.

and see that this line of "he Googled it" during that 3+ hours thus he must be scum is fully false and reaching to get people to vote me regardless of my desire to not embarrass myself because...oh, look at that, I crumbed my role in the above post with the bolded.

I actually tried to diagnoise/treat Beck with my role and my response was (without quoting MOD PMs) that I didn't diagnose the disease but that I saw the Thyroid starting to have issues.

Go ahead and Google Endocrinologist and see what they specialize in.

[Kthxbye]

That's a stupid way to go about playing MS.

I say I'm town. You say show it. I show it. You say, I want to lynch you anyway. GENIUS!

[Kthxbye]

so it stupid ofr MS or mafia in general?

how about this: whats color is your role pm?

I don't think highly of Beck's cognitive skills in these games on this site. I'm pretty sure he's town though, cuz I don't see scum pushing this hard with those reasons.

Matches the sample Role PM on p1...of course, instead of Vanilla Townie, it has my PR.

[Kthxbye]

Too bad that doesn't prove anything as I'd have said the same thing as scum.

[Kthxbye]

...except, that is the answer to the question.

What you have is a horrible reason to jump onto my wagon. Explain how my role PM being town and the sample role PM being town and both having the same layout/color makes me scum somehow.

This is just ridiculous.

[Kthxbye]

HO-LY SHIT FOLKS, IT CAN SEE REASON AND UNDERSTAND LOGIC!!!

If you want to list your reasons in bullet format so I can pick them apart and/or explain them to you to give you warm fuzzies.

If you don't, w/e.

[1] Beck: Rogue
[0] MC Maraca:
[0] Wolfy:
[3]

Debonair Danny DiPietro

: kthxbye, Wolfy, Beck
[0] Rogue:
[0] Albert B. Rampage:
[0] Brian Skies:
[3]

Anatole Kuragin

: Shaddowez, Albert B. Rampage, MC Maraca
[0] Jingle:
[3]

Kthxbye

: DDD, Anatole Kuragin, ika
[0] Shaddowez:

Not Voting (1):
Jingle

I believe ^that is correct VC. I don't think Anatole is getting lynched today so if you would, join either my or DDD's wagon.

[Kthxbye]

Wow, that is the biggest pile of avoiding making connections to your scum partner(s) post I've ever seen.

Aside from the connections part, you didn't answer anything else. I'll ask again as these questions don't go against "how you play the game".

Who else is scum?
Do you even have scum reads?
If not, who are your town reads then? (New question)

Also, you actually have two flips which actually are in fact "reliable information" to analyze connections.

[Kthxbye]

We've been down this road ABR.

Are you town reading DDD now?

[Kthxbye]

Damnit shaddowez....

That actually looks pretty damning. Nice post.

VOTE: Anatole

[Kthxbye]

[Kthxbye]

I've given it some thought, and I'd bet good money that at least some of the diagnosticians are scum. They are confirmable in the day phase, and I doubt Ven would have made all of them town. It's certainly not a 'PR' in the traditional sense.

VOTE: kthx

I have to say, this is fundamentally bad and I'd be ashamed of Venmar if he did this. That puts one (or more?) healing powers solely in the hands of scum who know who is and isn't town. That means, if a town gets a disease and they have the matching healing power to cure that disease, they simply do nothing and get 2 kills for it. No, I'd say that's imbalanced as hell, especially when town with healing powers can choose to not heal due to thinking the diseased person is scum and be wrong, thus screwing ourselves.

Basically, I don't know what "thought" you put into this, but it was flawed to say the least. No, I think the healing powers are going to be town and see zero reason why Venmar would give scum actual healing power. Do they likely have healing power fake claims available?...most likely.

This whole post just screams set up kthxbye for lynch today while opening the door for scum fake claims after I flip town. I don't like it and you are scummy for it.

_______________________________________________________________________________________

DDD has been a lynch wagon for 2 days straight now and has magically been taken out of the lynch pool come deadline time. I ask myself why. Why would scum care who is lynched if the largest wagon is on town. He was also the hammer of a claimed PR (as Beck pointed out) over hammering Bert, who was a claimed vt and also at L-1.

I have a town read on ABR, MC, and shaddowez is leaning town for me now as well. They are all voting Anatole.

So here's my conundrum: Do I unvote Anatole (who is currently tied with me in votes and is being voted by my town reads) and vote DDD (who is just plain anti-town to me), thus putting my wagon solely in the lead with deadline looming, or.........do I remain on a wagon with people I town read and keep the largest wagons even.

VOTE: DDD

If I'm lynched today, I'm calling it now: DDD, Jingle, Anatole/Wolfy scum team.

[1] Beck: Rogue
[3] Debonair Danny DiPietro: Wolfy, Beck, kthxbye
[3] Anatole Kuragin: Shaddowez, Albert B. Rampage, MC Maraca
[4] Kthxbye: DDD, Anatole Kuragin, Ika, Jingle

[Kthxbye]

I dunno ABR, by pure logic alone, DDD looks like sure scum. Two days with two near lynches. D1's counter wagons were BOTH town. He hammered a claimed PR over a claimed vt.

If I'm scum and can hammer either a PR or a vt, I'd choose the PR 10 times out of 10 as well. A quick ISO and I found he spouted the same shit about scum having healing powers in order to justify it too.

from what I'm seeing in the game and my understanding of the mechanic of the game scum will almost certainly have power and I hope Mantis is part of it.

I didn't catch it at the time, but this view of the game mechanics makes absolutely zero sense when you consider the effects when a townie is diseased. Even if it's scum that is diseased, town DON'T KNOW that the person is scum and if the past two days are any indication, will likely heal the person anyway. Scum have that extra information which would make them having this power too imbalanced from just a pure game setup and mechanics perspective.

This is why I think both are scum and I want a flip to confirm or deny this connection.

I won't blink an eye if I have to vote Anatole if it comes down to a me or him scenario, but I think leaving DDD alive past today is a mistake and if he flips scum, I see too strong of a connection between him and Jingle and their 'setup spec' to not think I just caught 2 members of the scum team.

Anatole is possibly the scum member I'm least certain about currently.

[Kthxbye]

um....

Then why would you hammer?

[Kthxbye]

Why the fuck are you two talking like DDD already flipped town?....

[Kthxbye]

No, I don't, thus my vote.

Also, I don't understand how you people think the MOD is gonna give scum a possible/probably two kills for simply not doing anything vs just giving them fake claims of a healing power. Some people will never make sense to me.

[Kthxbye]

I think that 'if somebody respectable like Beck asks...' is bullshit and him looking for a way to fake claim without looking like he gave in.

[Kthxbye]

tbh, if he flips town i would just laguh at him and call him bad for not claiming

This I can agree with, but I just see him flipping scum.

[Kthxbye]

VOTE: Jingle

The connection is too strong to overlook.

[Kthxbye]

D1

[5]

Debonair Danny DiPietro

: Wolfy, Albert B. Rampage, ika,

Kthxbye

,

Mantisdreamz

[2]

MantisDreamz

: Anatole Kuragin, shaddowez
[3]

Kthxbye

:

Beck

,

DDD

, Jingle

Not Voting (3):

Bert

, Rogue, MC Maraca
----------------------
[5]

Bert

: Albert B. Rampage, Anatole Kuragin,

Kthxbye

, Jingle,

Mantisdreamz

[LYNCHED]

MantisDreamz

: MC Maraca,

Bert

, ika, shaddowez, Rogue, Wolfy,

DDD

[1] Jingle:

Beck

____________________________________________

D2

[1] Beck: Rogue
[3]

Debonair Danny DiPietro

:

kthxbye

, Wolfy,

Beck

[3] Anatole Kuragin: Shaddowez, Albert B. Rampage, MC Maraca
[3]

Kthxbye

:

DDD

, Anatole Kuragin, Ika

Not Voting (1):
Jingle
--------------------------
[1]

Beck

: Rogue
[LYNCHED]

Debonair Danny DiPietro

: Wolfy,

Beck

,

Kthxbye

, Albert B. Rampage, shaddowez, ika
[1] Ika:

DDD

[1] Anatole Kuragin: MC Maraca
[2]

Kthxbye

: Anatole Kuragin, Jingle

Wolfy and ABR are pretty much town based off VCA.

Rogue looks like scum based off VCA.

Jingle looks scum with pushing the same shit DDD pushed about scum being healers too (which I still strongly disagree with).

[Kthxbye]

why? convince me.

[Kthxbye]

and I DID say there was a connection with Jingle yesterday. Maybe they chose to kill off Beck instead of me thinking I'd do exactly what I came in and did....hmm...

Okay, we can travel this road I think.

VOTE: rogue

[Kthxbye]

Yeah, it's not Jingle.

VOTE: Kthx

Why the fuck are you two talking like DDD already flipped town?....

Legit question: Are you actually reading this game and if you are....are you high?

[Kthxbye]

im contenplating who the final scum is abr, i dont disagree with it nor disregard it but i want to see how things unfold first

have you noticed that beck died instead of kthanks when he claimed pr?

^curious about this myself.

The only thing I can think is scum trying to set up a WIFOM argument for today.
-Beck had me as scum since D1. Scum me would want him dead. Of course, scum me would have offed him N1, not N2 and, well, if someone wants to pick up that banner that I might be scum...you're obviously not reading the game. Notice how DDD almost didn't get lynched yesterday till my p954? No? Go read the game.
-Beck had ABR as scummy for the end of yesterday. I'm town reading ABR so I see this as a possible WIFOMy way to get ABR lynched today. Not happening.

In fact, looking back, shadowez, ABR, and ika are all people I have a hard time seeing as scum due to how DDD's wagon turned around due to their votes after my posts.

That leaves:

MC Maraca, Wolfy, Rogue, Anatole Kuragin, and Jingle

Looking at my p1024, I don't see Wolfy as being the scum on DDD. This is VCA alone, not taking into account ABR's case. The case is good, the VCA doesn't match imo. If Wolfy is scum, it'd be super odd (and dangerous as scum) to have him bussing DDD 90% of the time AND being the second to last vote on Mantis with DDD (known scum) hammering. Wolfy is out for me today although..

@Wolfy: I agree with ABR that you should claim your role and night actions now.

MC has been fully under my radar this game and I have that slot completely in the null category.

If we assume the standard 3 man scum team in this size of a game, I think 2 of them will be found in Rogue, Anatole Kuragin, and Jingle and that's where I think we should focus today.

Currently traveling down the Rogue track, but I'd be more than happy with a Jingle lynch.

/end of my 2 cents.

[Kthxbye]

[Kthxbye]

@Wolfy: consider this post L-1. Claim.

I am a town healer and claimed thus yesterday.
You claim to have a night ability and claimed as such yesterday.

Neither of us were NK'ed yet Beck, who claimed nothing was targeted.

Something is off and you need to claim.

[Kthxbye]

@Anatole and Jingle:

Please explain how you all think I'm scum after D1 and D2 results? Specifically, explain what my motivation is to get DDD lynched yesterday when it looked like we'd be lynching Anatole or myself instead before that. Anatole, I'm very interested in your response seeing as you say you're town and you were on the chopping block yesterday. Why would scum me push for DDD's lynch over your lynch if you're town?

@Wolfy:

Know what? I take my previous post back. I don't need you to claim at this point. I don't see how you are scum with the VCA looking the way it does. Yeah, there is always bussing and your vote on me when you were sick and could possibly not vote again were bad, but I don't think scum-you tries to pull that while you're trying to bus DDD. Nope, I see you as town and don't see how you're scum....unless you're like a super genius and saw the events playing out they way they did before hand.

p.edit:

How can you say I'm scum by play when you obviously care about VCA and yesterdays VCA says I'm assuredly not scum? Why do I push DDD over Anatole yesterday? Unless all 3 of us are scum in your mind (which you stated you don't see how that's possible), me being scum and pushing a bus on DDD over a town-Anatole wagon makes absolutely no sense if I'm scum. Answer this on top of the above questioning.

[Kthxbye]

your vote is misplaced ABR. I can't see how Wolfy is scum with VCA. How bout we find scum again today, eh?

[Kthxbye]

SO EXCITED

so our character yes yes yes is so much like me.

and she's in my top {3} favorites.

If I like the flavor of the game. I post like crazy.

Why is Jingle town? Gut? Meta? What?

Pardon if I just don't flip over and take your word for it...

[Kthxbye]

Hey Jingle, I'm gonna re-post this since you completely ignored it and skirted around it with that pick and choose quote "case" you made in p1103.

@Anatole and

Jingle

:

Please explain how you all think I'm scum after D1 and D2 results? Specifically, explain what my motivation is to get DDD lynched yesterday when it looked like we'd be lynching Anatole or myself instead before that. Anatole, I'm very interested in your response seeing as you say you're town and you were on the chopping block yesterday. Why would scum me push for DDD's lynch over your lynch if you're town?

p.edit:

How can you say I'm scum by play when you obviously care about VCA and yesterdays VCA says I'm assuredly not scum? Why do I push DDD over Anatole yesterday? Unless all 3 of us are scum in your mind (which you stated you don't see how that's possible), me being scum and pushing a bus on DDD over a town-Anatole wagon makes absolutely no sense if I'm scum. Answer this on top of the above questioning.

The bottom is also addressed to you since...you know...my p.edit came directly after your post.

Now, let's pick apart your "case" to show how bad it is.
-my p322 is in fact not a weak vote. If you read the context, you'll see his complete refusal to answer my question with some (and now we know why...he was scum) bs reason about handing me a cheat sheet of what he's looking for....
-my p406. Oh, wow, town NEVER changes votes with the new shiney. Oh, and look, that was about the time the DDD wagon dissipated. He went from L-1, to L-2 with ABR's unvote in p400, to L-3 with Bert's unvote in p402. If I'm going to go for a 'bus my buddy' tactic you say you think I'm doing, wouldn't it be better for me to continue to bus my buddy?
-read my p658, read shadowwez p657. This 'point' in the case is just a flat out lie. Nice try.
-the PROOF is in the above questions you failed to acknowledge or answer.
-my p839 is a statement of confidence in my read not a slip of knowledge of scum. Also, as ABR pointed out, ika did the same thing. Is ika know my scum buddy because he 'knew DDD would flip scum'?

Your case is, as pointed out, completely full of holes. Anyone could find a million different examples of townies saying and doing the same things. Wanna know why? Cuz that's town play.

Kthnk:
if jingle is scum whos his buddy?
if jingle is town whos scum?

-MC (largely due to riding directly under any radar and VCA)
-Anatole/Rogue/MC would be where I look.

I have ABR (although he's being stupid right now), Wolfy, and surprisingly shadowez as hard town right now. Null on you (although you're being dumb too if you're town).

Let's look at some facts. We have a scum flip which was goon. We have absolutely zero proof that scum have a healing PR. We have the idea that scum COULD be healers too, which is completely stupid and OP from a pure game mechanics view. And we have Jingle completely unable to answer my questions b/c he can't explain his reasons without looking scummy or completely backtracking. He's going to push my lynch the rest of the day and if town follow it, well, I have no hope for a town win.

I also feel like I need to spell out why I highly doubt scum have a healing PR.
Let's take when Beck (confirmed town) got sick. Let's say due to the randomness of chance, scum does have a healing power and that is the power that cures Beck. Scum, knowing Beck is town, simply don't cure him. Beck dies and scum just got a free kill for doing nothing. I do NOT see the MOD allowing this possibility.

Now, let's say I'm right and town have the healing powers and someone with the right power to cure Beck thinks he's scum. That townie refuses to use his power and Beck dies. THIS is how I see the game setup and strategy being employed in this game.

In one scenario, scum get a kill do to happenstance and it has nothing to do with reads/skill of playing the game. In the second scenario, town uses reads/skill of playing the game to either save a fellow townie (who they don't KNOW is town) or condemn them.

Next topic, I just found this while telling scum-Jingle just how bad his case is.

DDD's last post looks townie. Kthx, wolf, shadow, or mantis should be the lynch candidates today.

Town, town-read, town-read, conf town. Those were Anatole's lynch candidates. Even a blind squire finds a nut and I'm not seeing him find a single one in that post. I could be wrong on wolf or shadow, but I'm feeling pretty confident in those reads.

If the remaining town can't see the logic in my post and specifically, can't see how I turned a possible not lynching of DDD to a lynch of confirmed scum DDD around yesterday as town play, well, there's no more I can do. If Jingle isn't scum, then I think it almost has to be Anatole. Willing to lynch either one today.

tldr; Jingle is scummy due to not being able to answer my questioning of his 'read' on me in relation to how yesterday led to a scum lynch and Anatole is scummy for his actions D1 and that little gem of a post of his I quoted above. I will say that I don't think both are scum.

[Kthxbye]

Hey Anatole, why don't you address the reasons I have you pegged as scum instead of trying to discredit me? Did you even read my post? How bout you address my thoughts on Jingle as well. You can ALSO address my p1086 as well since you completely ignored it. Also, you didn't defend DDD AFTER the flip.

You hopping on the 'lynch kthx' band wagon just looks even more scummy. Your 'justification' (if it can even be called that) is awful too seeing as 1 of the 3 is confirmed to everyone, 1 is known by me, and the other 2 you can't justly say are still scummy and try and push my mislynch at the same time.

kthx vote Anatole

Fine with me.
VOTE: Anatole

p.edit:

sorry, not after the flip, but after I knew he was being lynched - if I was mafia and knew he would flip red I wouldn't have defended him all day

Where? Also, see the post of yours I quoted from D1. That was loooong before a DDD lynch.

[Kthxbye]

you really think both scum in a single game will push the same line of thought?

Sorry, missed it at the time. Yes, I obviously do think this. I will admit however, since more people than there are likely scum are pushing the same line of thought about scum-healers, well, it's kinda null. But, I still think multiple scum would push it in this case if the reward (after multiple town healers flip they can fake claim a healer) outweighs the risk.

[Kthxbye]

Kthx, wolf, shadow, or mantis should be the lynch candidates today.

And why is that (for each if you would)?

You've voted me yet never really asked me any questions (ie, tried to figure out if I'm scum), or really explained any reason as to why you think I should be a lynch candidate.

You've said/quoted/addressed both wolfy and shadow even LESS than you've mentioned/voted me.

Mantis is the only person on your "lynch candidates" list that you've shown any real suspicion of.

p404 is lacking any town motivation.

VOTE: Anatole

I still don't like DDD, but that above quoted post pinged my scumdar way too much to remain there, especially since if one of the 2 is scum, the other probably isn't. If both are scum, that's some damn fine distancing.

just want ABR to explain his read because I think he is bullshitting

How about you give us a reads list, or something to explain your thought processes? Every vote you've placed has been naked,

occasionally

with a post before or after it giving some lame excuse.

Actually, let's look at who you've called scum and your votes:

3.

Bert

- called scum and voted
4. Wolfy - said should be a lynch candidate, never explicitly called scum or voted
7. Albert B. Rampage - called scum, never voted
10.

Mantisdreamz

- called scum and voted
11. Jingle - never called scum, voted
12. Kthxbye - called scum and voted
13.

shaddowez

- called scummy, never voted

1. Beck - Almost no interaction
2. MC Maraca - Almost no interaction
6. Rogue - Almost no interaction
8. Brian Skies - Almost no interaction
5. Debonair Danny DiPietro - Almost no interaction, but an interesting comment here:

I'd rather go off that hunch than vote myself or forcing DDD to claim as a townie.

So, according to this list, taking out the two people who are already dead, there are still five scum, and that's only out of people you've actually talked about. Yep, leaving my vote on you.

Add in that you want me to answer you without actually reading my posts and answering me.

[Kthxbye]

I don't see how one of you or Jingle (prolly not both based on VCA) isn't scum.

Both of you keep pushing for my lynch even though it's obvious from D2 that I'm not. Both of you refuse to address my questions to you which is scummy seeing as those questions force you to actually evaluate the likelihood of me being scum and possibly have you backtrack. Know who wants to blindly push wagons? Bad town players and scum. Neither of which help town win the game.

[Kthxbye]

I'm not writing another wall to say the same thing I've already said. Read my posts.

[Kthxbye]

Know what Anatole, you're not off the hook as I still want you to answer my questions, but I'm pretty confident in Jingle being scum right now. Wanna know why? I'll tell you.

Jingle has, like you, not answered my questions. The difference is, you're at least posting while I'm directly confrunting you. Know who isn't? Jingle. But wait, it gets better. His last post in THIS game was on the 15th. Take a gander at when his last post on site was. It was the 16th, but do you think he bothered to address me in THIS game? NOPE.

Now, I ask myself why he ignored this game on the 16th and the only answer from where I sit is because you and him are both on the hot seat to answer me, but since you are posting, scum-him is willing to let you take the heat while he sits back and cools off. Not gonna happen, not on my watch.

VOTE: Jingle

Good news for you Anatole is I don't see both of you being scum. If Jingle flips scum, you're off the hook.

[Kthxbye]

Look who shows up when called out!

Hey Jingle, let's say the town is dumb and follow you to lynch me. After I flip exactly what I claim, who's scum then?

[Kthxbye]

anatole, ANSWER THE FUCKING QUESTIONS. one more post ignoring them and you're scum claiming in my eyes

[Kthxbye]

anatole, ANSWER THE FUCKING QUESTIONS. one more post ignoring them and you're scum claiming in my eyes

you have ignored my request for you to point out what those questions are a number of times

if you don't stand on one foot and blow a bubble out your ass right now, you are scum claiming in my eyes. See how stupid your arbitrary ultimatum looks?

First of all, how can you miss my questions? You obviously don't care enough to even ISO me and control+find your own fucking name. I posted initially in p1086 then quoted my own post in p1125 AND THEN I EVEN REFERENCE THE QUESTIONS POST IN p1148 WHICH YOU OBVIOUSLY AT LEAST HALF READ SINCE YOU ASKED ME TO QUOTE THEM! Do you need a different format because you don't understand the English language or something? I'll even fucking do THAT for you.

-Please explain how you all think I'm scum after D1 and D2 results?
-Specifically, explain what my motivation is to get DDD lynched yesterday when it looked like we'd be lynching Anatole or myself instead before that.
-Anatole, I'm very interested in your response seeing as you say you're town and you were on the chopping block yesterday.
-Why would scum me push for DDD's lynch over your lynch if you're town?

Secondly, my ultimatum isn't arbitrary so your attempt at discredit is just plain bad. You are either buying time to come up with a way to answer without looking scummy or you don't really care to try and sort players out b/c your scum and don't really actually read town posts anyway but instead skim them. Or you're a tunneling town who is a bad town player b/c you just skim through posts. THAT's why is basically you claiming scum. You aren't behaving in a town manner at all. Lucky for you, I still think Jingle is slightly more likely to flip scum and I still don't see you 2 as scum together.

NOTE: I forgot to point out just how scummy Jingles response was to my line of questioning. Something about blah blah blah BUS blah blah HAD TO BUS something something....yeah, didn't actually answer any of my questions. He didn't even try to go back and reread anything. Just push push push a mislynch. That's straight from a scum's playbook.

I'll even point out the difference and show why I think ABR is town. He just even recently went back and reread stuff. Did he get a little confused on names and claims, yeah, but that just means he is even more town and legit went back to reread players to form his views on players.

[Kthxbye]

ABR: I still don't see how wolfy is scum with the VCA we have. Also, yeah, the Beck NK makes no sense other than scum trying to frame me. Bascially, you have to believe that as scum, I'm really stupid and didn't think about how a Beck NK would point directly to me. In fact, the fact that Beck was NK'ed is yet another point that should have everyone town reading me by now.

[Kthxbye]

What do you think about shadowez/Wolfy, Anatole?

We are the three most active players, so why don't we work together for now?

If you aren't going to follow onto Jingle, the only one of those 2 I'd even consider today is shaddowez, but I still have a town read on him. Maybe it's because I feel he is seeing my logic of how absurd it is to still think I'm scum at this point. /shrug.

Is there a case you have for thinking shaddow is scum?

I still think Jingle is scum, but if I'm going to point out not posting in this game while posting on this site on him, I should point out that the same is true of shaddow. He posted on site on the 16th but didn't bother with this game.

[Kthxbye]

fyi, I'm in the middle of moving so my posting is going to be mainly from phone for the next week.

V/LA till 27 Oct.

[Kthxbye]

[1] MC Maraca: Rogue
[1] Wolfy: MC Maraca
[1] Rogue: Ika
[2]

Anatole Kuragin

: shaddowez, Albert B. Rampage
[1] Jingle: Kthxbye
[1] Kthxbye: Jingle
[1] Shaddowez: Anatole Kuragin

Not Voting (1):
Wolfy
-------------------------------------
Wolfy, why have you disappeared? Why are you not voting anyone?

MC, are you going to participate in this game at some point in time?

Jingle, are you still sick...3 days after you'd hoped to set aside time for this game or are you just waiting on a VC? If the latter, problem solved.

ika, you replaced in to this game, get interested. Try, I dunno, asking questions, developing reads, etc. What's your current full reads list?

Anatole, no votes on you are bad votes. What do you think of ABR's vote? How bout shaddowez from forever (almost 200 posts) ago?

ABR, why did you go from wanting to work together with Anatole to voting him?



The above VC is pathetic. We have

FIVE

days to deadline and Anatole is the lead wagon with only 2 votes. Either push your preferred lynch target or get on someone else wagon.

[Kthxbye]

VOTE: AK

L-1

[Kthxbye]

oh Jingle, you're so bad at this...or you're scum. Either way, you should go back to being 'sick'.

Oh, and not believing you're sick for a week =/= misrep. Funny how I can provoke you into posting multiple times this game though....

[Kthxbye]

Oh, and let's say there's an hour left before deadline. Would you hammer Anatole or let the day go with a no lynch?

[Kthxbye]

One last thing, do you think I was talking about you when I said people aren't pushing for lynches on the people they are voting for? If so, why do you think I was talking about you?

[Kthxbye]

VOTE: ika

Now I'm way more interested in this flip. ika flips scum means AK is town.

[Kthxbye]

yes, but from where I sit, ika looks to be lining up for my lynch tomorrow. kinda outa left field as well. the post is basically one big ass scum vibe.

[Kthxbye]

Fine ABR, I'll follow you today. I don't like that Jingle has Wolfy as town for *reasons* anyway. He's completely wrong on his tunnel of me so it stands to reason he could be wrong there too, even if I agree with him on Wolfy. I don't like how Wolfy disappeared either. I'm in the middle of a fucking move and can still post ffs.

VOTE: Wolfy

L-1

[Kthxbye]

wolfy, reads list pls

[Kthxbye]

^idiot

honestly, I hope you're NKed

[Kthxbye]

can scum NK themselves? If so, do the world a favor

[Kthxbye]

wolf. are u trolling?

[Kthxbye]

slip

you wish, though I'm sure you're gonna push the shit out of it tomorrow.

@wolfy: If you flip town, why do you think ika is scum? What about MC?

[Kthxbye]

VCA (also, the last fuck I give):

D1

[5]

Debonair Danny DiPietro

:

Wolfy

,

Albert B. Rampage

,

ika

,

Kthxbye

,

Mantisdreamz

[2]

MantisDreamz

: Anatole Kuragin, shaddowez
[3]

Kthxbye

:

Beck

,

DDD

, Jingle

Not Voting (3):

Bert

, Rogue, MC Maraca
----------------------
[5]

Bert

:

Albert B. Rampage

, Anatole Kuragin,

Kthxbye

, Jingle,

Mantisdreamz

[LYNCHED]

MantisDreamz

: MC Maraca,

Bert

,

ika

, shaddowez, Rogue,

Wolfy

,

DDD

[1] Jingle:

Beck

____________________________________________

D2

[1]

Beck

: Rogue
[3]

Debonair Danny DiPietro

:

kthxbye

,

Wolfy

,

Beck

[3] Anatole Kuragin: Shaddowez,

Albert B. Rampage

, MC Maraca
[3]

Kthxbye

:

DDD

, Anatole Kuragin,

Ika

Not Voting (1):
Jingle
--------------------------
[1]

Beck

: Rogue
[LYNCHED]

Debonair Danny DiPietro

:

Wolfy

,

Beck

,

Kthxbye

,

Albert B. Rampage

, shaddowez,

ika

[1] Ika:

DDD

[1] Anatole Kuragin: MC Maraca
[2]

Kthxbye

: Anatole Kuragin, Jingle
___________________________________________

D3

[1] MC Maraca: Rogue
[1]

Wolfy

: MC Maraca
[1] Rogue:

Ika

[2] Anatole Kuragin: shaddowez,

Albert B. Rampage

[1] Jingle:

Kthxbye

[1]

Kthxbye

: Jingle
[1] Shaddowez: Anatole Kuragin
--------------------------------
[1] MC Maraca: Rogue
[3]

Wolfy

: MC Maraca,

Albert B. Rampage

, Anatole Kuragin
[1] Ika:

Kthxbye

[2] Anatole Kuragin: shaddowez,

Ika

[1]

Kthxbye

: Jingle
-------------------------------
[1] MC Maraca: Rogue
[LYNCHED] Wolfy: MC Maraca,

Albert B. Rampage

, Anatole Kuragin,

Kthxbye

,

Ika

[1] Ika:

Wolfy

[2] Anatole Kuragin: shaddowez, Ika
[1]

Kthxbye

: Jingle

I put ika in green for analysis purposes. I don't see scum-ika with how the hammer and twilight went down D2. If ika is scum (you'd prolly hit the loto before I'm wrong on this), then he's a wonderful actor and deserves the win. Is he being dumber than a box of rocks with his vote on me, hell yes, but not scum.

VCA also puts Jingle as town sadly. He's just a tunneling idiot who will look the fool if y'all decide to lynch me. It is really hard for me to let this go, but VCA says otherwise.

Now more importantly:
VCA says Anatole is scum. VCA also suggests that shaddowez is scum if ika is town because I don't see a full town lynch of DDD. No, I see a late bus and if ika is town, that literally only leaves shaddowez.

After you dumb fucks lynch me, lynch Anatole and shaddowez if you want to win. You're welcome in advance.

VOTE: shaddowez

I think shaddowez is the more sure of the 2 to flip scum due to my belief that ika is town and there is scum bussing DDD. I think both are scum, but I'm like .01% more sure of shaddowez due to data.

[Kthxbye]

Think you could unvote me and proxy it just so I'm not quick hammered?

[Kthxbye]

Think you could unvote me and proxy it just so I'm not quick hammered?

Nice fearmongering. Vote stays.

for the record, youre not good at this game at all. unless youre scum of course. but if youre town, this is the worst blind tunneling Ive ever seen.

20 bucks says you think this post is scummy too.

[Kthxbye]

actually...

VOTE: Anatole

Wolfy's lynch yesterday most likely has scum on it and between Anatole and MC, I'm saying Anatole.

[Kthxbye]

VOTE: kthx

pretty obvious

Did anyone else not get a PM that the day started?

Why don't you spell it out anyway in the event that I'm lynched today. You know, just so everyone can clearly see why you're scum come tomorrow.

Maybe scum got left out?

[Kthxbye]

Sigh, I can't get outa my head that there had to be at least one scum bussing DDD at the end of D2. The only possibilities are shaddowez and ika and like I said before, ika looks very town due to how the hammer went down and the twilight convo.

I'm very torn here cuz VCA makes it look like Anatole and shaddowez prolly aren't scum together, yet I still think Anatole is scum.

If shaddowez is scum, then Anatole probably isn't. Maybe a shaddowez/MC scum team? But where does that leave scum-Jingle....

Fuck me. I think shaddowez has to be scum.

/give up.

VOTE: shaddowez

ABR is now dead so there is literally nobody to keep this game alive but me and I'm being scum read and scum reading too many people.

[Kthxbye]

I've claimed already. It doth matter apparently.

Dr. Lisa Cuddy
Endocrinologist

Apparently ABR and I had a thing in the show according to my Role PM's quote.

That's about as detailed as it gets without getting MOD killed.

[Kthxbye]

No clue who you are btw ika. I barely watched the show.

[Kthxbye]

Handy how the people who have noticed you're scum are all "bad at the game."

Gawd I can't wait for my flip and post game so I can really tell you how bad you are....

[Kthxbye]

the games lost if we two townies die this day phase.

btw, what do you mean by this?

[Kthxbye]

My reasoning isn't poor or stretching. I'm using the information given. The factual information we have are flips. The factual info I have is my alignment. The rest is guess work.

If anything, if you really thought my reasoning was poor or stretching, that should ping you that I'm town, not scum.

I digress though. You will do whatever it is you are going to do.

I will ask though, once I flip town, who's scum after that? What are your thoughts on my reasoning behind ika being probs town making shaddowez the only possible bus on the DDD wagon?

What are your thoughts on Jingle? MC? Rogue?

TBH, I don't give two shit's what you think about them while you think I'm scum. You're wasting my time and the time of everyone else. I want to know your thoughts on them once I flip town OR if you somehow come to your senses and see that I'm town.

[Kthxbye]

ika, why have you decided on Anatole?

What are your thoughts my reasoning shaddowez is scum if you're town? Do you not think DDD was bussed when lynched?

[Kthxbye]

ika, I'm not sure Anatole is scum. Not as sure as I am there was scum bussing DDD. If you're town, that leaves shaddowez. They only way you shouldn't vote shaddowez right now is if you don't think DDD was bussed.

[Kthxbye]

MOD: can we get a prod on shaddowez pls?

[Kthxbye]

@shaddowez: Do you think DDD was bussed? If yes, then do you think ika is scum given my reasons why I think he's not? What's your read list looking like?

[Kthxbye]

/golfclap for Jingle

[Kthxbye]

...once I flip town, who's scum after that? What are your thoughts on my reasoning behind ika being probs town making shaddowez the only possible bus on the DDD wagon?

What are your thoughts on Jingle? MC? Rogue?

Hey Jingle, why don't you answer the above. Replace you with Anatole.

[Kthxbye]

Way to avoid answering the question.

And you actually think that I am the one playing/posting scummy?! Wow....

I really really really can't wait till post game. You really have no clue.

[Kthxbye]

me - Lisa Cuddy (PR)
MC - Cameron (VT ??), claimed to have healed Beck in thread
Anatole - Chase (VT)
shaddowez - Chase's Daddy (PR), claimed to have PM healed Beck
Jingle - Volakis (PR)
Rogue - Thirteen (PR)
ika - I still don't know

Re shaddowez: Still unsure on MC. I find it weird thought that both you and MC are claiming to have healed Beck. One via PM (like I'd expect) and one thinking/claiming to have done it by diagnosing in thread.....

UNVOTE:

Till I have time to actually go through some stuff.

[Kthxbye]

I see no VT claims.

Then you are blind or being dense...more to come on this, but FIRST.

The doctors are more or less vanilla from a mafia/gameplay standpoint. I diagnose via PM.

No, but still FIRST.

________________________

@Everyone

: In your next post, you need to say EXACTLY what your role is. IE, you need to say the part of your role PM which is in green or presumably red AFTER the picture of your character. Like this:

I'm Town Endocrinologist

________________________
I almost want to popcorn this to Anatole and MC first but I think it's more important that everyone place it in their next post so it doesn't get lost.

[Kthxbye]

ika, I don't trust any of my reads aside from you. I need your thoughts on these players.

I keep going through and as soon as I think I have a good handle on someone being town, I go and see to much to not think they could be scum.

You, me....yeah, we need to decide who to lynch (if anyone, cuz I'm kinda good with MC dying to disease) and making the rest fall in line.

[Kthxbye]

Right now I'm at one of shaddowez or MC has to be scum. Not only just because they both claimed the same "PR" either.

I think I want one of them dead today over anyone else. Should we let the disease kill MC or lynch shaddowez?

[Kthxbye]

First off, Jingle, you say I'm doing "full all for actual scumhunting" yet you park your vote on town. Pardon if all you bitching and moaning is falling on deaf ears.

Secondly, how does genius Jingle expect to confirm these powers? Also, weren't you part of the 'scum prolly have healing powers too' group?

[Kthxbye]

yeah, I don't read that other stuff.

Also, that means literally nothing. Like literally nothing at all. Wanna know why? Cuz MY check on Beck showed up not at all. I even went back to check.

On top of it, where is YOUR attempted PR use? Starting to see the holes in your theory yet?

Ima give you a D+ for effort though.

[Kthxbye]

Yup. My only attempt at healing so far was submitted between the last vote count before Beck was healed and Beck getting healed. It's nice that you keep trying anything you can to shoot down my plan though. Is it maybe because you're not really a PR?

Are you aware that Venmar has only posted ONE SINGLE SOLITARY 'test conducted' post and that it's the one you quoted?

Are you really trying to say that literally nobody else has used their PR because of one post from the MOD?

Are you aware of how that makes you look/sound when you wanna try and use that to 'confirm' peoples roles?

_________________________________

By the by, shaddowez is at L-1 now.

_________________________________

@MOD and/or back-up MOD: Who needs to get the PM's and are we going to continue to see sickness updates? If yes, can they be a little more often as this game is kinda stalling pretty hard.

[Kthxbye]

@MOD: Oh and if we lynch someone today and MC isn't cured, what happens to MC? Does she continue to be sick tomorrow or does she die or what?

[Kthxbye]

Hmm...

Intent to hammer then.

@shaddowez: Post your last words, reads lists, etc please.

[Kthxbye]

MC, reads list if you would pls.

[Kthxbye]

Rogue (Mala) is also voting Shaddowez

[Kthxbye]

Town:

Kthxbye
Ika
Jingle

Null/Scum:

Anatole
Rogue
Shaddowez
MC Maraca

I'm pretty good on my town reads of ika and jingle at this time.

That leaves 2* scum in the 4 left over.

[Kthxbye]

Damn, I almost just hammered in this post. This game is dead to the core.

@MOD: We could really use an update on the disease and what-not

[Kthxbye]

yeah, but I've been drinking. Luckily not heavily or I would have hammered already

[Kthxbye]

yeah, but I've been drinking. Luckily not heavily or I would have hammered already

[Kthxbye]

Hey Jingle, what are you thoughts...on...you know...LITERALLY anything else?

[Kthxbye]

Pfft, I'm trying to motivate myself (if you know what I mean), but I keep checking this damned thing. You're distracting me from my neked ladies.

[Kthxbye]

I'm of the opinion that we let mc die from disease and see what the flip is before lynching anyone.

[Kthxbye]

D1

[5]

Debonair Danny DiPietro

:

Wolfy

,

Albert B. Rampage

, ika,

Kthxbye

,

Mantisdreamz

[2]

MantisDreamz

: Anatole Kuragin,

shaddowez

[3]

Kthxbye

:

Beck

,

DDD

, Jingle

Not Voting (3):

Bert

,

Rogue

, MC Maraca
----------------------
[5]

Bert

:

Albert B. Rampage

, Anatole Kuragin,

Kthxbye

, Jingle,

Mantisdreamz

[LYNCHED]

MantisDreamz

: MC Maraca,

Bert

, ika,

shaddowez

,

Rogue

,

Wolfy

,

DDD

[1] Jingle:

Beck

____________________________________________

D2

[1]

Beck

:

Rogue

[3]

Debonair Danny DiPietro

:

kthxbye

,

Wolfy

,

Beck

[3] Anatole Kuragin:

Shaddowez

,

Albert B. Rampage

, MC Maraca
[3]

Kthxbye

:

DDD

, Anatole Kuragin, Ika

Not Voting (1):
Jingle
--------------------------
[1]

Beck

:

Rogue

[LYNCHED]

Debonair Danny DiPietro

:

Wolfy

,

Beck

,

Kthxbye

,

Albert B. Rampage

,

shaddowez

, ika
[1] Ika:

DDD

[1] Anatole Kuragin: MC Maraca
[2]

Kthxbye

: Anatole Kuragin, Jingle
___________________________________________

D3

[1] MC Maraca:

Rogue

[1]

Wolfy

: MC Maraca
[1]

Rogue

: Ika
[2] Anatole Kuragin:

shaddowez

,

Albert B. Rampage

[1] Jingle:

Kthxbye

[1]

Kthxbye

: Jingle
[1]

Shaddowez

: Anatole Kuragin
--------------------------------
[1] MC Maraca:

Rogue

[3]

Wolfy

: MC Maraca,

Albert B. Rampage

, Anatole Kuragin
[1] Ika:

Kthxbye

[2] Anatole Kuragin:

shaddowez

, Ika
[1]

Kthxbye

: Jingle
-------------------------------
[1] MC Maraca:

Rogue

[LYNCHED] Wolfy: MC Maraca,

Albert B. Rampage

, Anatole Kuragin,

Kthxbye

, Ika
[1] Ika:

Wolfy

[1] Anatole Kuragin:

shaddowez

[1]

Kthxbye

: Jingle
___________________________________

D4

[1] MC Maraca:

shaddowez

[0] Rogue:
[0] Ika:
[0] Anatole Kuragin:
[0] Jingle:
[0] Kthxbye:
[LYNCHED]

Shaddowez

: MC Maraca,

Rogue

, Anatole Kuragin, Jingle

Not Voting (2): Ika,

kthxbye

One of (if not both) Anatole and/or MC must be scum. I don't see a scum-Jingle tunneling me the entire game. I also removed ika from green cuz I'm less sure about him with the flips. If ika is town, then that means absolutely nobody bussed DDD, which I still have a hard time with. MC coming out the gate with 'don't do anything (like lynch me) cuz I'm V/LA and (fear fear fear) we're in LYLO!', doesn't make me think town either.

Add to that, MC has basically coasted on each town lynch being the first to vote them yet I don't recall any heavy pushes of them from that slot.

Add in the fact that both MC and shaddowez claimed the same PR.

Yup, I'm pretty comfortable with this. If MC is town, then the remaining scum should come in shortly to end this game, which tbh, I'm fine with that as well.

VOTE: MC

[Kthxbye]

How has nobody responded to my last post let alone vote?

[Kthxbye]

well...I'm going to sleep now so I'm going to
UNVOTE:
...just in case this game is salvageable.

[Kthxbye]

I still want everyone to post. Even though MC is almost assuredly scum, I want to get a connection so we can salvage this thing and get a win.

[Kthxbye]

Fuck it. If ika is scum, he deserves the win. The only thing I have that makes me have any doubts that he is town what-so-ever is that he is the only person left that could be scum bussing on the DDD lynch. That means if ika is town, it was a full town wagon which, as hard as it is to believe, makes the most sense after re-reading how the hammer went down. If ika is scum and we lose because of this vote, well, that was some fucking incredible distancing and bussing by both DDD and ika.

VOTE: MC

[Kthxbye]

fact: mc is scum or this day would be over.

whether or not ika is scum bussing or not, mc is scum and needs a hammer. which of you wants town points?

[Kthxbye]

Yeah, no, I'm town.

Pretty sure MC is trolling. I don't see any way, what-so-ever, that MC isn't scum with both Anatole and you posting after L-1.

There are literally only 2 scenario's in which MC isn't scum:

1. ika is scum and is the only scum left in the game and game isn't over.
2. Anatole was trolling us by not voting while a town-MC was at L-1 and waited around for you to hammer Jingle.

Both scenarios require ika to be scum and neither make any sense to me.

No, this game isn't done yet, and Cabd is just mad that scum-them got lynched while moving and is taking it out on us by trolling.

[Kthxbye]

well, 3rd scenario would be you (Jingle) are scum and trolling us in the same way I described Anatole doing in scenario 2.

[Kthxbye]

Oh, and to add to the probability that MC is scum, Cabd posted 16 minutes after the hammer. If there was so much concern over "And so scum win a game I stopped caring about two day phases ago thanks to both of us being mid-cross-country move and unable to post.", then he could have come in at any time to convince myself or ika to unvote to give him (them) time. No, Cabd was obviously paying enough attention to this game to only have 16 minutes pass after the hammer.

Calm Jingle, game's not over yet unless there is some serious trolling being done by you or Anatole and ika is scum.

[Kthxbye]

And so paranoia sets in.

On one hand, I had Jingle as hard town at the end of yesterday. I also had ika as town. If Anatole is town, of course ika is going to die cuz a scum-Jingle has me reading him as town. Then again, I had ika as town for longer and if Anatole is scum, then of course ika dies since ika had me as town as well.

With that in mind, scum Anatole is of course going to off ika over me because if I'm going to waiver on my read of Jingle or ika, it's going to be Jingle. Also, Jingle has had me as scum almost all game, so of course if Jingle is town, the only way scum Anatole wins is if Jingle sticks to his scum read of me.

On another note, Jingles posts after hammer yesterday seem legit, but I can also read them as fake. Fuck me....

I'm going to just pull the band aid and go with my gut read of Jingle town. If you're scum Jingle, then good game. You tunneled me and then got me to town read you. If you're town, me voting in my first post of the last day probably doesn't bode well, but I'd rather the game be in your hands than mine even if you were wrong on me this entire game.

VOTE: Anatole

[Kthxbye]

Oh, and I will go ahead and admit now that I was wrong on my setup spec and apparently scum do have diagnostic powers. /shrug.

[Kthxbye]

damn. gg jingle