NY 177: Simple Complexity (GAME OVER: Scum Wins!)

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The grave is no bar to my call.

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So, we know Scum have a Roleblocker.

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Vote: reinoe

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I'm fairly sure that idea was shot down.

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Are we allowed know which reviewers cleared this game, Wake?

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I do, gameplay. But Wake then made a thread in GD with the idea which everyone razed to the ground.

I somewhat supported the idea, but I doubt he could have got it through review.

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http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=37641

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also http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=58350

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notsci, I'm voting him for a reason.

this isn't a joke - I want a policy lynch.

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The scumcase on Elyse bores me.

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The problem with lynching Reinoe is that his trolling isn't really alligent indicative. If it really becomes a problem later, then maybe we should consider it, but right now I still have a null read on him.

He's going to disrupt this game.

Either he disrupts day 1, 2 and 3 before he's lynched.

Or he disrupts 2 more pages.

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And that's a general question, TSO, not nesessarily about Reinoe.

95% of the time, I abhor policy lynches. I've played for a year and a half here and I can't remember being okay with a policy lynch, ever. And I played with Zekrom25.

Reinoe is a completely different story - he's straight up the most disruptive player I've ever met.

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He will literally spam the shit out of this thread and cause apathy for everyone. He's the closest thing to a plague on this forum.

That's my final word on the matter.

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And I would do the same thing in your position. If nothing else, maybe the fact people who know him want a policy lynch may prevent the usual shit this game.

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The key thing here is that {Oka, TSO}, for example,

have played with reinoe.

Notscience, what's your stance on this?

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Hey, Alina, can you show me where reinoe's been scumhunting?

After you do that, I'll show you how to look out for leading questions.

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That's not a rhetorical request - I want to see it.

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#146, #175 are two posts; there are some others but they're less "scum-hunty" than I first thought, so nevermind on that. I thought he was doing a bit more.

Eh. After thinking, nevermind, 146 isn't that great either and is kinda trolly.

In both of those posts, reinoe complains that the set-up is "publicly available." This set-up he's talking about is one he's guessed. He's made it up, completely. The set-up's not public. Reinoe's semblance of scumhunting is rendered completely useless by this fact. He complains I'm getting towncred for trying to figure out the set-up when it's known.

The set-up is not known.

Reinoe is either an idiot, scum, or both.

I'm not sure why people are saying Psyche and reinoe are behaving the same, or even similar at all.

Sure, Psyche's posts are short. But there's a clear sense of alignment (town) and effort in them. On the other hand, it feels like reinoe is purposely trying to obfuscate his motivations and everything, trolling for the sake of trolling rather than actually just playing the game lightheartedly like Psyche is.

I agree with this.

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Eh... I think Reinoe is probably town. Honestly. Scum Reinoe is serious and focused, and that's just not what we have here. He does like to change playstyles I guess, but either way it's null.

...which would make it remarkably easier for scum Reinoe to be found, now that it's such a common fact, and it is. Can you think of any way to get around this huge problem of "I am serious when scum and everyone knows this?" Can you?

I think I can. It's called "I am usually a troll when town - if I act like a troll as scum, people will think I am town."

You need to consider that reinoe has a few brain cells, Aeronaut, you're equating his intelligence to a gorilla.

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I agree with you. However, the problem is when people subconsciously townread him for doing it - which happens a lot more than it should.

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An older version of the game OP was posted in the queue, and correctly updated in the game OP.

Nice to know you've been reading, reinoe. There's no set-up in the game OP - ergo, you're talking out of your ass.

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I don't have any problem with reinoe as a person. I have a big playstyle problem.

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You'll never get that.

reinoe, I proved last page your scumhunting is a load of rubbish to everyone. it's there to see.

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I don't have any problem with reinoe as a person. I have a big playstyle problem.

Why did you join this game?

Because I was invited to by Wake.

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Townreading gameplay and tree.

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Attempting double day actions is foolhardy, but Town. #300 is also on the mark.

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Why did you stump yourself?

He tried one, it blew up in his face, he then tried another anyway. That's town.

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I wouldn't bother mentioning it again.

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Difference of opinions, I guess.

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Hey, Alina, can you show me where reinoe's been scumhunting?

Hey TSO, can you show me where TSO's been scumhunting? Thanks.

Sure.

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Well, Majiffy, I'm arguing that after one going wrong, scum-him wouldn't be confident enough to do another, and your counter-argument appears to be "No." I don't feel the need to respond to "No."

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"Motivation: Risk-Benefit is in his favor for the second gambit as scum."

And this is where your explanation falls to pieces. What possible benefit could this have for him?

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And if you say "earn him towncred" my pre-emptive answer is "Don't be a moron."

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I'm not convinced at all.

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It's just so incredibly tenuous to call him scum for that because I don't really think either of your motives work in context.

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TSO seems to be making a straw man argument, which to me is making him look scummier.

Go on.

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It's just so incredibly tenuous to call him scum for that because I don't really think either of your motives work in context.

I'm not calling him scum for it. I'm arguing against your townread over it.

...you win this time.

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I ...didn't attack Majiffy. Once. Not even when he called me a fucking moron and I had justification to.

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I think reinoe could possibly be town.

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The more serious he plays, the more Town he looks.

But when he's serious he can get caught, whereas when he's not, he can't.

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Um, Aeronaut, wrong game...

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Ok going to explain and post whatever I can withoit getting modkilled wjen I get back

Or you could just replace like most of us told you.

a little harsh.

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Ok going to explain and post whatever I can withoit getting modkilled wjen I get back

Or you could just replace like most of us told you.

This. Not only should you replace out. I think posting game breaking information should have you considered for banishment.

He didn't post anything.

Don't be a dickhead for no reason and don't try to get people banned for no reason.

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NO PSYCHE

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goddamn it.

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Possible bad word choice on my end - I didn't mean personal attacks, I meant your arguments against him.

this is still an awful argument which you're trying to back up vaguely. this is me calling you out. show me where I did what you're saying once.

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Texaco, are you scum?

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@Josh, Reinoe, Titus, TSO, & Elyse.
Is it just me or is notsci doing the same thing reinoe was doing to titus in mini 1579?

Ehhhh. I see what you're saying but I think notty is town. I don't agree with what he's doing and would much rather him push Aero or Titus like he wants but this isn't really strange for him.

He does this kind of thing. I don't really approve of it, at all, but he does it.

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I'm veto'ing my vote on tree.

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Is this really it, Majiffy? Are you really calling him scum based on this trash?

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This chainsaw shit, for example.

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It's just additional information so that you don't forget to string up Psyche when I die tonight after tree flips town.

I cannot respond to this post because it's bamboozlingly bad.

@Gameplay
Nobody knows the setup yet.

So that's possible, but unconfirmed.

But according to Reinoe it's a known setup. Duhhhh

Commander, commander, we have confirmation regarding Aeronaut not reading the thread!

You know, this is just not gonna get anywhere right now. Honestly, I keep forgetting we have like 22 people, and right now tree isn't helping the town, and probably won't be in the future. I made this mistake last game. It's not like we're in Lylo, and this lynch will give us information.

Vote:Tree

If you had come back from being a lurk ball after two days with like reads, some sort of quality anything, I wouldn't be voting you. But you've made it very obvious your not going to help anyone.

I still stick by my reads list based on the tree wagon, though. The people who said they were voting for him because he was scum need to be looked into.

I'm gonna go take a shower or something

Tree is town, and everyone on the tree wagon who thinks he's scum is scum, and you're voting tree for policy, despite not voting reinoe for policy.

You hypocrite.

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Vote: Aeronaut

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That jump on tree was awful.

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But can't we lynch Aeronaut today and tree tomorrow?

Because I give a 30% estimate of tree being scum, but Aeronaut is around double that.

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Psyche is voting Aeronaut.

Probability of tree scum - DOWN.
Probability of Aeronaut scum - UP.

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If tree flips town I'd advise the same, since unlike Majiffy, I think it was a scumleap regardless of tree's alignment.

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I've never claimed I'm great at reading ns but I really like that readslist.

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I have so many problems with #1244

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your attitude isn't great, gamey. just no? how about...

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to translate: you still haven't brought up one potentially reasonable argument about a) me-scum or b) aero-town.

also I'm fairly sure I made 1-2 posts about probability, so ...yeah. It's not my whole ISO. yay reading.

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Do you understand the meaning of the word "opportunistic?"

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Because, if you're accusing me of first calling tree town, then engaging in an argument with Majiffy and losing, the perfect moment to be "opportunistic" would be there. Instead, I still put forward my belief in tree-town, noted a terrible move -onto- tree, voted Aeronaut and then restarted a stagnant wagon.

That's probably the opposite of opportunism.

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you are all really bizarre

do you know how the word bizarre came into existence?

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Someone vig Gameplay please.

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Gameplay, you don't seem to get some very basic tenets of Mafia and I don't give enough fucks in this game to teach you.

We've played one game together; I replaced in and -immediately- called both scum out alone. I died the same night. You mishammered in LyLo.

So I'm not going to give you any leeway on anything unless you actually start making sense. You're making 0 sense this game and it's really annoying.

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I hate Oka's stance on Aero.

Elyse, the wagon's not falling apart, don't worry. I'll strongarm the fuck out of it if I have to.

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Also the wagon comprises of just about every influential player sans farside, so yeah.

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@TSO- Why are you looking the most sane this game? Don't we normally butt heads >.>

Indeed! But this game is different. It's going to be a glorious fest of scumhanging where we will drink champagne together with compatriots such as Majiffy and Elyse while Aeronaut's head lolls on the ground.

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I thought the exact same thing, NS, but it's not like Aero being in NB changes anything.

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Why would scum-notscience give a shit?

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lmfao

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gameplay suck it

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Actually, let me quote notscience:

Hypothetical.

There's a scum

Let's just call him Aeronaut

He softclaims a role.

We make him claim

He claims tracker.

Now, we have a townie, lets just call him jimmy

Jimmy's a tracker and CCs him

We have confscum now!

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presuming you meant set-up. read it. still want aero hangin.

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Josh is borderline conftown as well.

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I am putting a proposal to the mod.

Veto my vote for today: silence Gameplay for 48 hours.

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Unvote
Vote: Titus

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I want this a lot more than tree.

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For the record: I'm not sure I'll ever support an Elyse wagon. I find her both incredibly town in this game, and I also find her to be a very strong player. If I was scum with her, which I have been, she would be my #1 target for a nightkill.

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For the record: I'm not sure I'll ever support an Elyse wagon. I find her both incredibly town in this game, and I also find her to be a very strong player. If I was scum with her, which I have been, she would be my #1 target for a nightkill.

So I can safely ignore you because your opinions are completely irrelevant, then.

You can ignore whatever you feel like - I obviously can't stop you. I feel it's a stupid move which both isolates you and makes it easier for people to scumread you fallaciously - but you'll see that for yourself better than I can explain it.

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#1667 brings up a good point.

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As opposed to ....?

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did we find out who was in the neighbourhood

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no

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catch
up

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Titus, you specifically told us your scum game is based on being reckless.

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I'm up for a texcat wagon.

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I'm beginning to agree with that.

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I haven't agreed with one thing shadow's posted, coincidentally.

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I genuinely don't agree with what he's saying, ever. It's not like it's one specific thing or something.

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RoyalApe is town.

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I'm honestly just up for a lynch at this stage.

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hell-lo texcat

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texaco

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Marquis is a deceptively good scumplayer and his forte is being incredibly natural - I cannot reference anything right now, but trust him not so easily.

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vote: texboy

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i never claimed to be involved in this game whatsoever, fwiw

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mark suggesting a shadow lynch is p cool.

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Psyche what the fuck?

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why did you randomly hammer?

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AM I MISSING SOMETHING

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Randomly?

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this game's minority lynch though, it's over.

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can everyone call him texboy; he is no true cat

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texboy

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I'm vigging anyone who calls him texcat from now.

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gameplay's dead who else

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VOTE: TEXBOY

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HAMMA HAMMA HAMMA

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Well that eliminates any doubt that Titus and Marquis are scum. They're both town.

Explain this to me?

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bye yo

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dat bomb claim doe

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big guy, it's cool. we've all messed up in lylo before. especially me.

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I think House did well in LyLo. Bad, bad, bad Bomb claim, but did well.

Him keeping his options open should have been a scumtell but there were a lot of weird dynamics in this LyLo which made it kinda acceptable to do.

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You are almost definitely going to have to enforce some kind of rule regarding posting amounts per player because otherwise people will simply check out, even if they say they won't.