NY 177: Simple Complexity (GAME OVER: Scum Wins!)

reinoe · Sun Sep 14, 2014 9:22 am

In post 3526, Psyche wrote:i actually have no idea how i feel about marquis's decision to expose us
it is that bizarre

You need to hurry up and confirm it because you were in strong contention for being lynched today.

reinoe · Sun Sep 14, 2014 10:38 am

In post 3529, Psyche wrote:im never getting lynched reinoe

Thanks to a mason claim. You were generally considered scummy without it. And I wasn't pushing for your lynch today, Titus was.

reinoe · Sun Sep 14, 2014 3:39 pm

In post 3536, shaddowez wrote:I'm actually not comfortable with the Pere wagon right now. Assuming for the moment that all claims are legit, based on those and flips his reads early game were very off - Tree as scum (assumed mason), Aero as town (conf scum), Titus as scum (assumed cop). That and lack of activity are making it hard for me to read him, but there does seem to be some scumhunting going on. The biggest thing making me think he's scum is actually not anything in his ISO, but this post from tn. Still getting a slight scum vibe from tn, and the add-on of Pere at the end there feels like a push. I'm going to wait to hear from Pere before moving my vote.

Shaddowez no...Pere is scum. He's been pushing my lynch as well. And that scumhunting was just him targeting town.

reinoe · Sun Sep 14, 2014 5:47 pm

In post 3541, shaddowez wrote:
In post 3539, Titus wrote:I'm debating how dumb you could actually be to seriously think I'm scum or if you are smart town with dumb reads faking like you think I could be scum.

I really have no idea where this is coming from - I was listing some of Pere's reads and all claims as assumed to be true for sake of showing his reads to be off.

Also
reinoe
, I see him mention you as scum a few times, but don't actually see him pushing a lynch on you...were you referring to something specific?

Hold on a sec, I don't think I've ever pushed Titus as scum, in fact I made a town case on her. Clarify that statement plz.

reinoe · Sun Sep 14, 2014 6:04 pm

In post 3540, Titus wrote:
In post 3537, reinoe wrote:
In post 3536, shaddowez wrote:I'm actually not comfortable with the Pere wagon right now. Assuming for the moment that all claims are legit, based on those and flips his reads early game were very off - Tree as scum (assumed mason), Aero as town (conf scum), Titus as scum (assumed cop). That and lack of activity are making it hard for me to read him, but there does seem to be some scumhunting going on. The biggest thing making me think he's scum is actually not anything in his ISO, but this post from tn. Still getting a slight scum vibe from tn, and the add-on of Pere at the end there feels like a push. I'm going to wait to hear from Pere before moving my vote.

Shaddowez no...Pere is scum. He's been pushing my lynch as well. And that scumhunting was just him targeting town.

Yeah and your reads have been shit... all damn day. Not surprised Pere is pushing your lynch here. You are town but DAMN get it together.

Your acts make ZERO sense. You know I am town and I know you are town. Yet we cannot agree on a single fucking scumread. You are being immensely frustrating. Can we wagon Mirhawk?

Pere is scum for having a hard-on for calling Aeronaut town. Nobody had any reason to call Aero town.

reinoe · Sun Sep 14, 2014 6:10 pm

Post 2772, Pere knows that all the main wagons are on town.

reinoe · Mon Sep 15, 2014 6:36 am

In post 3561, Majiffy wrote:
In post 3559, notscience wrote:can we wagon psyche

I would love to, but "wah mason claims!"

We'll just let all the scum fake-claim their way out of lynches all game.

What's wrong with scum fake-claims when there's a serial killer out there? If scum is fake-claiming then the SK has plenty targets.

Why don't you want to wagon Pere? Is it because he's your scumbuddy?

reinoe · Mon Sep 15, 2014 12:18 pm

In post 3586, Psyche wrote:
i never voted pv

This is true. Even though it's an error it could be the votecounter telling you that PV needs to be lynched.

reinoe · Tue Sep 16, 2014 8:13 am

In post 3599, PeregrineV wrote:FIXED

Neighborhoods (I think)

marquis/
titus
/
pv
/
texcat

tn5421/
aero
/
gameplay
/royalape
Mirhawk/
Aegor
/Oka/Shadowez

Not in hood

Josh

reinoe

notscience
Muffin

Elyse
TSO

Majiffy
alina
Psyche

Based on this, and the night kills I would lean towards Alina being the serial killer, even though I have a town lean on her.

Serial Killer is obviously someone who doesn't know what the fuck they're doing.

reinoe · Tue Sep 16, 2014 9:05 am

In post 3607, PeregrineV wrote:
In post 3606, reinoe wrote:
In post 3599, PeregrineV wrote:FIXED

Neighborhoods (I think)

marquis/
titus
/
pv
/
texcat

tn5421/
aero
/
gameplay
/royalape
Mirhawk/
Aegor
/Oka/Shadowez

Not in hood

Josh

reinoe

notscience
Muffin

Elyse
TSO

Majiffy
alina
Psyche

Based on this, and the night kills I would lean towards Alina being the serial killer, even though I have a town lean on her.

Serial Killer is obviously someone who doesn't know what the fuck they're doing.

You think she killed TSO and texcat? Was she scumhunting or getting rid of people who suspected her?

TSO and texcat are just random kills that had no strategic value. Alina is the only player I could see making those kills. But we can lynch you today though.

reinoe · Tue Sep 16, 2014 9:22 am

In post 3609, PeregrineV wrote:
In post 3608, reinoe wrote:
In post 3607, PeregrineV wrote:
In post 3606, reinoe wrote:
In post 3599, PeregrineV wrote:FIXED

Neighborhoods (I think)

marquis/
titus
/
pv
/
texcat

tn5421/
aero
/
gameplay
/royalape
Mirhawk/
Aegor
/Oka/Shadowez

Not in hood

Josh

reinoe

notscience
Muffin

Elyse
TSO

Majiffy
alina
Psyche

Based on this, and the night kills I would lean towards Alina being the serial killer, even though I have a town lean on her.

Serial Killer is obviously someone who doesn't know what the fuck they're doing.

You think she killed TSO and texcat? Was she scumhunting or getting rid of people who suspected her?

TSO and texcat are just random kills that had no strategic value. Alina is the only player I could see making those kills. But we can lynch you today though.

Only if you listen to me. It has been discussed many times that dead town players get totally ignored.

Plus the fact that once you set your mind like this you'll spend the next 8 days doing nothing, so you'll understand if I push for better lynch targets while you repeat how much you want me lynched, right?

What you just said makes no fucking sense. I just shared my thoughts on why Alina could be serial killer. And while I've been pushing for you lynch today I've also been stating that Majiffy could be scum. That's pretty ridiculous to say that I'm going to be doing nothing except pushing for your lynch when the post you just quoted is contradictory to that.

reinoe · Tue Sep 16, 2014 9:46 am

In post 3613, tn5421 wrote:you guys are going on some weird tangent or something.

Yeah, this is true.

Psyche vote for PV. He's scum.

reinoe · Tue Sep 16, 2014 9:52 am

In post 3615, tn5421 wrote:No. Oka needs to die.

We are reaching critical mass of PR's. We don't need to lynch any of the PR's when there's a serial killer out there.

reinoe · Tue Sep 16, 2014 3:27 pm

@TITUS

Do you receive your results as town/not town or mafia/not mafia?

reinoe · Tue Sep 16, 2014 4:01 pm

In post 3632, Titus wrote:Innocent v Guilty

Cool. If you're taking requests, could you investigate zMuff?

I'm thinking OkaPoka is town based on how ridiculously hard Aeronaut was attacking him. As a power role Oka Poka is probably going to be killed eventually. Aero was on the OKAPOKA wagon right up until claim.

reinoe · Tue Sep 16, 2014 4:14 pm

In post 3636, OkaPoka wrote:wait wut.

wut did you say

He's joking, but I'd still appreciate the investigation.

reinoe · Wed Sep 17, 2014 12:51 pm

Well there's not point in speculating...

@mod...

would a serial killer get a result of guilty or not guilty

reinoe · Wed Sep 17, 2014 7:14 pm

It's a beautiful day in the neighborhood...

marquis (mason)/titus(cop) /

pv(????)

/texcat (confirmed vanilla townie and dead.)

Guys, can we lynch PeregrineV now?

reinoe · Wed Sep 17, 2014 7:44 pm

In post 3656, Mirhawk wrote:That's not quite the right question.

Barring ~shenanigans~ are serial killers detected by cops? Is what you should be asking.

Of course there can be modifiers, in the last game I played Aero was a serial killer who could be alternately bulletproof or investigation proof. Heck a bunch of you were in that game.

This is all kind of moot anyways. Unless you have such a strong scumread that you're assuming investigation-proof scum of some sort I fail to see how this is relevant.

If this is in regards to Gameplay it should be pointed out that this is my third game with him, and I'm finding his behavior pretty in character for him.

@reinoe
I'm leery of thinking there's scum in every neighborhood, we have no evidence that's the case. I'm not against a PeregrineV lynch, but I don't think it should be done for that reason.

A major plus is that he's independently scummy.

reinoe · Thu Sep 18, 2014 4:22 am

In post 3659, PeregrineV wrote:
In post 3611, reinoe wrote:That's pretty ridiculous to say that I'm going to be doing nothing except pushing for your lynch

In post 3655, reinoe wrote:
Guys, can we lynch PeregrineV now?

I think it's kinda scummy to remove the context of post 3611.

reinoe · Thu Sep 18, 2014 4:29 am

In post 3609, PeregrineV wrote:

Only if you listen to me. It has been discussed many times that dead town players get totally ignored.

Maybe you should buck the trend and analyze what the dead townies had to say. Because when I analyzed what the dead townies had to say...

Elyse called Aeronaut scum...
TSO called Aeronaut scum...
Texcat called Aeronaut scum...

Guess who didn't call Aeronaut scum?

In post 2240, PeregrineV wrote:

Didn't see this before. Aegor,
Aero is town.
Their posting is the exact opposite of your 3 scumreads.

Yeah there we go. Look at that. So if there's something to discuss besides your lynch and why you shouldn't hang I'd love to hear it. What did you discover, PeregrineV, when you looked over what the dead had to say?

reinoe · Thu Sep 18, 2014 4:35 am

Even though Josh didn't call Aero scum he did say this...

In post 2669, Josh_B wrote:
In post 2664, Aeronaut wrote:Alright. Was about to yell at everyone for the shotty Tex wagon, but apparently thats done with. Why we voting Aegor now?

Also, @Alina, I checked mah wiki and the <3 has been recieved

I would still lynch you, and I think most people would agree if it wasn't for PR.

So again, we can lynch PeregrineV. All we have to do is

reinoe · Thu Sep 18, 2014 5:01 am

In post 3678, zMuffinMan wrote:why is PV scum other than being PV

explain it to me like you're make-believing i'm not reading the game

tl/dr

1)neighborhood process of elimination.

2)nobody had any reason to call Aeronaut town. I would accept someone calling him null, but not town.

3)Peregrine whines about "nobody listening to the dead" so why doesn't Pere do an analysis of what the dead players had to say? My analysis of what dead players had to say actually supports point 2: all the dead players were calling Aero scum or would be fine with Aero's lynch. Pere was calling Aero town.

4)Based on my limited experience of half a game with Pere in HarryPotter: prisoners of azkaban I have a meta reason. His play looks really town initially during the first day phase of the game, then he coasts on that cred by being generally useless. I noticed during HP:POA that Pere was making content filled posts in other areas of the forum and I was starting to change my read on him but then I subbed out of that game.

reinoe · Thu Sep 18, 2014 5:10 am

In post 3680, PeregrineV wrote:
In post 3673, reinoe wrote:
In post 3659, PeregrineV wrote:
In post 3611, reinoe wrote:That's pretty ridiculous to say that I'm going to be doing nothing except pushing for your lynch

In post 3655, reinoe wrote:
Guys, can we lynch PeregrineV now?

I think it's kinda scummy to remove the context of post 3611.

Except that I linked to it, so any real player can click on it at any time.

If you feel it's relevant, you can quote it and explain why it's removal was scummy.

I'll just let the other players decide then...

In post 3611, reinoe wrote:What you just said makes no fucking sense. I just shared my thoughts on why Alina could be serial killer. And while I've been pushing for you lynch today I've also been stating that Majiffy could be scum. That's pretty ridiculous to say that I'm going to be doing nothing except pushing for your lynch when the post you just quoted is contradictory to that.

reinoe · Thu Sep 18, 2014 5:44 am

In post 3685, PeregrineV wrote:
In post 3677, reinoe wrote:Even though Josh didn't call Aero scum he did say this...

In post 2669, Josh_B wrote:
In post 2664, Aeronaut wrote:Alright. Was about to yell at everyone for the shotty Tex wagon, but apparently thats done with. Why we voting Aegor now?

Also, @Alina, I checked mah wiki and the <3 has been recieved

I would still lynch you, and I think most people would agree if it wasn't for PR.

So again, we can lynch PeregrineV. All we have to do is

No offense, but TSO and texcat dying where the exact same reason you speculated that your townread Alina is the SK.

And having a wrong read isn't scummy.

But keep trying.

And 3660

And 3661

It's not like Aero was fooling everyone. Aero did not really have strong town play. So having a wrong reads isn't scummy in and of itself. It's the why.

It's ironic that you say "dead townies have less info" after lamenting that nobody listens to dead townies. Then follow up and admit you haven't even reviewed what dead townies had to say. That's kinda scummy in my book too.

3661 is no. It's making me raise my eyebrow. Psyche has had plenty of time to confirm Masonry but at this point is flat out refusing to do so. But claiming masons as scum is fucking stupid anyway since it'll lead to chain lynches if it turns out Marquis was faking.

re: 3660-I would imagine there's more to being a SK than "killing townies". Alina is a relatively new player who seems to lack confidence. To me the kills look like "this person is unlikely to be protected kills". They don't look like scumhunting. I'll just say they're definitely not the kills I'd have made.

reinoe · Thu Sep 18, 2014 6:48 am

Mirhawk, are you British?

reinoe · Thu Sep 18, 2014 8:42 am

I don't think scum would want to lynch within their hood since Poe. Especially not in marqui' situation because his being scum woul lead to a chain lynch of psyche.

reinoe · Thu Sep 18, 2014 8:43 am

Phone post

reinoe · Fri Sep 19, 2014 11:08 am

In post 3753, Psyche wrote:it is totally in my and the town's interest not to clarify the mason issue further

I'm actually fine with this answer. With a SK running loose this mason claim need not be up for discussion. Now when we lynch the SK then we can come back to this claim, and any others as well.

In the meantime, let's get some vote on PeregrineV.

Also Majif,,, why aren't you putting you vote on PeregrineV?

reinoe · Fri Sep 19, 2014 11:53 am

In post 3691, PeregrineV wrote:
I gave the why. You never contested it when it was posted. Did you even read it?
And my townread on Aero was at least as good as your scumread on Aegor and texcat.
And you had a scmread on tree/Marquis, but that was about as good as a fart in an hurricane.

It's almost as if more information was revealed after day 2 because something happened. Something happened on day two that would lead me to analyze the interactions Aeronaut had on day 2. What do you think it was?

reinoe · Fri Sep 19, 2014 11:54 am

In post 3755, OkaPoka wrote:majiffy carry town for us please. My scumread of pv is weakening and i am starting to doubt shaddow scum too.

What's causing the scumread to weaken?

Is it him lamenting nobody listens to dead players while he ignores dead players?

reinoe · Sat Sep 20, 2014 9:04 am

In post 3774, zMuffinMan wrote:i think oka is scum but, theoretically, correct play here is letting night actions sort that. there's at least two killing parties and, if oka is neither of them, he needs to be killed some time soon (and in the mean time he has to protect the claimed cop which isn't a bad thing)

im kind of meh on all the other wagons. PV could be scum i suppose but i dunno how that fits with oka being scum

<this has been a prod dodge>

OKA hasn't flipped yet but aero has...

Who's most likely to be scum with Aero.

reinoe · Sat Sep 20, 2014 2:13 pm

Why are people voting for Mirhawk when we could be lynching PeregrineV.

Nobody is actually making any sort of case on Mirhawk.

reinoe · Sun Sep 21, 2014 5:53 am

Previously we had someone get lynched when almost nobody made a case...

In post 2829, Wake1 wrote:
Aegor,
Macho Bodyguard
, has perished.

It is now Night 1.

Please submit any Night Actions via PM.

Deadline expires 9/6/14, @11AM central.

[/center]

reinoe · Mon Sep 22, 2014 9:33 am

In post 3847, Alina wrote:do you have any thoughts

on anything

at all

I'm sure he has thoughts on getting caught up soon but it might take a while because there are oh so many pages...even though he had less trouble keeping up with day one's much faster pace.

reinoe · Mon Sep 22, 2014 9:46 am

The reason why I asked Titus to investigate zMuff is because I find him nearly impossible to read. I played with him in Mini 1584 and most of my reads were wrong and most of his were right. And it looked like he wasn't doing shit all game. Except "lalz well that's a scumpost everyone vote havingfits" and then "guys I think the lowercase/thor666" slot is scum let's vote it". And most of that game it looked like he was fluff posting and stalling.

reinoe · Mon Sep 22, 2014 1:39 pm

Number of people who have made a case on Mirhawk=0.

reinoe · Wed Sep 24, 2014 5:29 am

In post 3907, tn5421 wrote:
In post 3898, Mirhawk wrote:Read up on TN. Here's the lowdown.

-Despite pushing multiple policy lynches for gambits, never batted an eye when
reinoe
faked a daykill.

There's your answer.

I'm no longer townreading tn and would be fine with his lynch.

that was tree/marquis who faked a daykill, and I know because I specifically remember bringing this up directly to tn and he ignored it. Mirhawk's post is a typo.

reinoe · Wed Sep 24, 2014 12:40 pm

VOTE: tn5421

reinoe · Wed Sep 24, 2014 3:29 pm

In post 3938, Marquis wrote:
In post 3935, Skybird wrote:Of the two wagons, I'm more comfortable with voting Mirhawk.

VOTE: Mirhawk

this slot is probably scum

I agree.

reinoe · Thu Sep 25, 2014 5:23 am

In post 3944, Skybird wrote:Marquis, why do you feel the Mirhawk slot is probably scum? Reineo, same question.

Skybird, this is a misread. I have a slight townlean on Mirhawk.

reinoe · Thu Sep 25, 2014 5:39 am

In post 3952, Skybird wrote:OK, I wanted to check when the majority of d2 took place. It took place Saturday and Sunday. PV has in his signature that he has limited access on weekends. I was thinking PV not voting for Aero was suspicious, but that thinking isn't correct.

UNVOTE:

p-edit: Thanks reineo. I'm not getting scum vibes from either lynch candidate at the moment. Can we get a wagon going on someone else?

TN is a great lynch candidate.

reinoe · Mon Sep 29, 2014 6:14 am

In post 4003, Wake1 wrote:
Corrected OP to include which dead players were Neighbors.

Was Titus Bulletproof?

reinoe · Mon Sep 29, 2014 6:24 am

There's two scum in Pere/zmuffin/Majiffy

Look at how impossible it was to wagon them compAres to the ease of the tn5421 Lynch.

Also nice gambit Titus.

reinoe · Mon Sep 29, 2014 6:38 am

tn5421 (LYNCH): Mirhawk, Alina, Shaddowez, OkaPoka, reinoe, Titus, Marquis,(Skybird)

the scum on this wagon could be...

Alina/OkaPoka/Skybird.

VOTE: Skybird

reinoe · Mon Sep 29, 2014 6:49 am

In post 4009, Marquis wrote:
In post 4007, reinoe wrote:There's two scum in Pere/zmuffin/Majiffy

no, go back to this and vote majiify with me.

the only way a majiffy scumlynch can happen right now is if it's strong from the start. skybird is not a priority.

I agree that majiffy is scum. I just want to make sure people are looking at how fucking easy that tn wagon was. Because holy balls.

VOTE: Majiffy

reinoe · Mon Sep 29, 2014 7:07 am

In post 4011, gameplay506 wrote:I think sky is town. What are the arguments on him ( quote, post or give post number)

Generically...

skybird is struggling to get caught up (which could be true). As she's getting caught up she has nothing to add regarding her observations. She makes a few filler comments while getting caught up.

Also this from 3887...

For now, I'm looking at the people on the Aegor wagon. When you remove the known town and people that have claimed you are left with: zMuffinMan, Shaddowez, Mirhawk, reinoe, and notscience. Since Aeronaut was not on the wagon, I think there's a good chance that one of these 5 are scum. For now, I am removing Mirhawk from that list because I really haven't seen a good argument against him.

post 3935.

Of the two wagons, I'm more comfortable with voting Mirhawk.

VOTE: Mirhawk

She has nothing to say about anything but is comfortable with a vote on Mirhawk. Like fucking everyone else who's voting Mirhawk she can't be bothered to have a reason but she's most comfortable placing her vote on one of the leading wagons of the day. She went from "nothing scummy about Mirhawk" to "let me join the club and place another reasonless vote". Remarkable.

post 3943. She doesn't know if Mirhawk or PV are scum, but she's more than happy to vote without apparently getting fully caught up, or if she is fully caught up she has nothing to say about anything. Also magically she's super focused on Mirhawk and PV but has nothing to say about TN.

post 3946. Is a rather fluffy question that makes herself look busy?

In post 3978, Skybird wrote:I can compromise on a TN lynch. I think he's town though.

VOTE: TN

Lulz, he's town but I'm voting anyway.

p:edit

gameplay506 wrote:Reinoe can you answer me?

Jesus calm down.

reinoe · Mon Sep 29, 2014 4:57 pm

@SHADOWEZ&GAMEPLAY

Skybird softed a role. OkaPoka claimed Doc. Why do you think neither of them got killed. As an addendum, why do you think OkaPoka has avoided being nightkilled six times?

reinoe · Mon Sep 29, 2014 9:54 pm

Scum roleblocker would just muzzle Titus and not kill her. OR...

Scum would just muzzle OkaPoka and he'd never know since doctor's don't get results. That actually makes a lot more sense and would definitely explain why scum aren't killing Oka.

@MOD

If an X-SHOT ability gets roleblocked does that use up one of the shots?

reinoe · Tue Sep 30, 2014 3:47 am

In post 4082, Skybird wrote:
In post 4007, reinoe wrote:There's two scum in Pere/zmuffin/Majiffy

Look at how impossible it was to wagon them compAres to the ease of the tn5421 Lynch.

Also nice gambit Titus.

In post 4008, reinoe wrote:tn5421 (LYNCH): Mirhawk, Alina, Shaddowez, OkaPoka, reinoe, Titus, Marquis,(Skybird)

the scum on this wagon could be...

Alina/OkaPoka/Skybird.

VOTE: Skybird

If you think there are two scum between Pere/zmuffin/Majiffy, why are you voting someone from your second group where you feel there is only one scum?

Because I'm voting Majiffy.

reinoe · Tue Sep 30, 2014 8:29 am

In post 4082, Skybird wrote:
In post 4007, reinoe wrote:There's two scum in Pere/zmuffin/Majiffy

Look at how impossible it was to wagon them compAres to the ease of the tn5421 Lynch.

Also nice gambit Titus.

In post 4008, reinoe wrote:tn5421 (LYNCH): Mirhawk, Alina, Shaddowez, OkaPoka, reinoe, Titus, Marquis,(Skybird)

the scum on this wagon could be...

Alina/OkaPoka/Skybird.

VOTE: Skybird

If you think there are two scum between Pere/zmuffin/Majiffy, why are you voting someone from your second group where you feel there is only one scum?

phone post...
I'm so glad you're able to crawl out of that rock and defend yourself, then go back under that rock. And without commenting on anything that's happeneD over the past three days.

reinoe · Tue Sep 30, 2014 8:50 am

Also I'm no longer suspicious of Alina.

reinoe · Wed Oct 01, 2014 9:45 am

gameplay506 wrote:Why?

Also I still havent done Poe and shit. Too lazy

In post 4094, shaddowez wrote:
In post 4091, reinoe wrote:Also I'm no longer suspicious of Alina.

Why is this? I was actually beginning to look more into her. She seems to be playing completely differently this game than any other game I've been in with her, and she's been town every time.

Because I suspected Alina's drop in activity to be an attempt to hide without posting. Her forum behavior shows that that is not the case.

reinoe · Fri Oct 03, 2014 6:46 pm

PROD DODGE

reinoe · Tue Oct 07, 2014 6:39 am

@shaddowez

What's your opinion on Wake's new Prod Dodge rule?

reinoe · Tue Oct 07, 2014 2:48 pm

OkaPoka wrote:

Okay. Whatever you say. This is so fucking hilarious and now if you guys lynch me I don't care. I just want to laugh at house.

Oka, I'm having an existential crisis re: you being alive.

1)Describe the activity in your neighborhood. Who's been talking about what.

2) I'm having a lot of trouble reconciling my "there's a roleblocker wrt to your doctor claim. It dawned on me that if there's a RB then they would have just paralyzed Titus and wouldn't waste time with you. You claimed 3-shot doctor when you didn't claim this initially. Have you used your last shot?

3)I actually liked your push on Texcat on D1, but there's a lot to dislike re everything else about your play. Whom are your scumreads and why? Whom are your townreads and why? Do not include claim status re: your reasons.

reinoe · Tue Oct 07, 2014 3:53 pm

In post 4210, OkaPoka wrote:
2) why should i say

3) look at my vote.

Oh, ok then. I was planning on looking at your response and then thinking long and hard about whether I should do this but those two shit answers makes me no longer give a fuck...

I'm a customized role called "The Shield". Three times I may protect two people from night-kills. I'm like a better doctor.

I didn't want to cc immediately because it's possible that there would multiple protective roles in this Wake Game. I'm tired of arguing with myself about why there's a claimed doctor alive who has now avoided six nightkills.

VOTE: OkaPoka

reinoe · Tue Oct 07, 2014 4:49 pm

In post 4229, Mirhawk wrote:Reinoe are you shitting?

Why is josh dead?

Because I suck.

I have one more double protect left and I'm tired of blowing my wad protecting a doctor who's not getting targeted and I'm tired of trying to figure out why.

p:edit...yes I faked a cop guilty in mini 1600.

reinoe · Tue Oct 07, 2014 4:53 pm

In post 4232, Mirhawk wrote:
In post 4229, Mirhawk wrote:Reinoe are you shitting?

Serious question.

Nope I'm not shitting you. This is not a reaction test.

reinoe · Wed Oct 08, 2014 8:01 am

I could have sworn my vote was on OkaPoka already.

VOTE: OkaPoka

reinoe · Thu Oct 09, 2014 7:46 am

In post 4270, gameplay506 wrote:What did reinoe claim?

I am a custom role called "Town Shield". Three times in the game I can protect two people. I'm a better doctor.

reinoe · Thu Oct 09, 2014 8:01 am

Marquis wrote:no. the claim was legitimate in the scenario that it was the only claimed town protective role, which lasted until reinoe decided to claim

speaking of which i'm still upset over how he didn't claim the shield role earlier on given that titus had an innocent result on him making him a potential nk soon anyway and since the shield claim could have saved us from a mislynch from his point of view

i'm still nowhere near convinced that reinoe isn't just pulling shit out of his ass in the form of a pseudo-fake guilty

I'm am not engaging in a pseudo-guilty gambit. Not after all the shit I took early in this game where people were begging me not to gambit.

reinoe · Thu Oct 09, 2014 11:43 am

So for the past few nights we've had three protects and none of them successful. Fml.

Final reads...

Peregrine scummy as fuck but impossible to wagon.
Skybird definitely scum.

Scumread on zmuff decreasing.

Alina town.

Something is weird about notty.

reinoe · Thu Oct 09, 2014 2:53 pm

I'm starting to think majiffy is town because of reasons I'm not allowed to discuss.

reinoe · Thu Oct 09, 2014 5:27 pm

In post 4319, OkaPoka wrote:(If you couldn't tell I fell super salty about house)

i think I'm actually not going to post anymore as every post just pisses me off more and more.

Oka, I claimed because I couldn't wrap my mind around a claimed doctor not getting killed. I tried to give the benefit of the doubt and considered the possibility that there could be two protective roles, especially since mine is limited. But there were some things about your play I also didn't like. I realized that if I claimed one of us would get lynched. If you're town doctor then we got set-up fucked. But it's the type of setup I could see myself running which is why I didn't cc right away.

reinoe · Fri Oct 10, 2014 6:18 am

reinoe · Mon Oct 13, 2014 8:06 am

In post 4007, reinoe wrote:There's two scum in Pere/zmuffin/Majiffy

Look at how impossible it was to wagon them compAres to the ease of the tn5421 Lynch.

Also nice gambit Titus.

Yep.

reinoe · Mon Oct 13, 2014 8:10 am

In post 4339, Marquis wrote:i don't think reinoe is lying about the claim

and i think if it was a scum role majiffy would be alive

in other news this setup is power role-heavy

VOTE: pv

psyche sheep me or i'm not letting you be my mason anymore

VOTE: PeregrineV

reinoe · Mon Oct 13, 2014 8:18 am

Skybird is also scum so we can wagon that too.

reinoe · Mon Oct 13, 2014 8:19 am

In post 4090, reinoe wrote:
In post 4082, Skybird wrote:
In post 4007, reinoe wrote:There's two scum in Pere/zmuffin/Majiffy

Look at how impossible it was to wagon them compAres to the ease of the tn5421 Lynch.

Also nice gambit Titus.

In post 4008, reinoe wrote:tn5421 (LYNCH): Mirhawk, Alina, Shaddowez, OkaPoka, reinoe, Titus, Marquis,(Skybird)

the scum on this wagon could be...

Alina/OkaPoka/Skybird.

VOTE: Skybird

If you think there are two scum between Pere/zmuffin/Majiffy, why are you voting someone from your second group where you feel there is only one scum?
phone post...
I'm so glad you're able to crawl out of that rock and defend yourself, then go back under that rock. And without commenting on anything that's happeneD over the past three days.

reinoe · Mon Oct 13, 2014 8:35 am

In post 4347, PeregrineV wrote:Doh! My eyes!

Yeah, I looked.

I'd rather say I tried than what you're doing, which is sitting back and doing nothing. For example you complained about how nobody listened to dead people over a month ago and you still haven't followed up on that.

reinoe · Mon Oct 13, 2014 9:22 am

In post 4369, Psyche wrote:reinoe
seriously
are you still sticking to your claim?

Yeah. I wasn't gambitting.

reinoe · Mon Oct 13, 2014 10:09 am

Hey phone posting.

Can you show me the post where Mirhawk claimed tracker and insisted that he be protected? Because house's assertion that I should know whom the scum would kill is really shitty. I constantly expressed my frustration with the scum kills precisely because they got around all my protects. In fact I talked about it more than anyone.

Also House asserts that my claim was bs but still happily voted OKa yesterday. You can piss off with that bullshit.

reinoe · Mon Oct 13, 2014 10:27 am

In post 4374, House wrote:
In post 4373, reinoe wrote:Hey phone posting.

Can you show me the post where Mirhawk claimed tracker and insisted that he be protected? Because house's assertion that I should know whom the scum would kill is really shitty. I constantly expressed my frustration with the scum kills precisely because they got around all my protects. In fact I talked about it more than anyone.

Also House asserts that my claim was bs but still happily voted OKa yesterday. You can piss off with that bullshit.

X-shot doc claim was shitty too, and he was hammered by gameplay before he clarified on it.

What's your excuse?

Is this real life? Is that a real question? Are you honestly asking why I voted for OKa?

reinoe · Mon Oct 13, 2014 10:36 am

In post 4376, House wrote:
In post 4375, reinoe wrote:
In post 4374, House wrote:
In post 4373, reinoe wrote:Hey phone posting.

Can you show me the post where Mirhawk claimed tracker and insisted that he be protected? Because house's assertion that I should know whom the scum would kill is really shitty. I constantly expressed my frustration with the scum kills precisely because they got around all my protects. In fact I talked about it more than anyone.

Also House asserts that my claim was bs but still happily voted OKa yesterday. You can piss off with that bullshit.

X-shot doc claim was shitty too, and he was hammered by gameplay before he clarified on it.

What's your excuse?

Is this real life? Is that a real question? Are you honestly asking why I voted for OKa?

No, I'm asking for your excuse for your bs claim.

Are you going to make us put you at L-1 before you come clean too? Remember, gameplay likes to ninja hammer.

Go ahead and put me at l-1. I'll self hammer.

reinoe · Mon Oct 13, 2014 10:39 am

In post 4378, House wrote:
In post 4377, reinoe wrote:
In post 4376, House wrote:
In post 4375, reinoe wrote:
In post 4374, House wrote:
In post 4373, reinoe wrote:Hey phone posting.

Can you show me the post where Mirhawk claimed tracker and insisted that he be protected? Because house's assertion that I should know whom the scum would kill is really shitty. I constantly expressed my frustration with the scum kills precisely because they got around all my protects. In fact I talked about it more than anyone.

Also House asserts that my claim was bs but still happily voted OKa yesterday. You can piss off with that bullshit.

X-shot doc claim was shitty too, and he was hammered by gameplay before he clarified on it.

What's your excuse?

Is this real life? Is that a real question? Are you honestly asking why I voted for OKa?

No, I'm asking for your excuse for your bs claim.

Are you going to make us put you at L-1 before you come clean too? Remember, gameplay likes to ninja hammer.

Go ahead and put me at l-1. I'll self hammer.

So on top of making a bs claim, you're willing to deny town info.

That really clears your name!

I almost always self-hammer as town if I think the wagon on me is shit.

reinoe · Tue Oct 14, 2014 6:25 am

In post 4410, gameplay506 wrote:House is our example here.

Shadow bby I have a life. And like I will join you in the nb in a moment but pls dont bitch

No gameplay.

I want your thoughts here in thread.

You hammered to have time to read. A sketchy excuse considering the game slowed To a crawl. Now you want to hide your catchup post in the neighborhood and I think that's completely unsatisfying.

reinoe · Tue Oct 14, 2014 6:26 am

Btw what, if anything, did gameplay post in the neighborhood during the night?

reinoe · Tue Oct 14, 2014 5:51 pm

In post 4053, Mirhawk wrote:SK HAS to be one of the following players.
MuffinMan
Majiffy
Peregrine
notscience
Shaddowez
RoyalApe
.

Re-reading Mirhawk's Iso he was chainsaw defending OkaPoka pretty hard. I suspect that he tracked OkaPoka and knew.

Also I suspect mirhawk tracked a bunch of people and since the SK is killing every night the above are people he had not yet tracked.

Interestingly enough. The list that Mirhawk presents here is full of the scummiest people in the game.

--->Peregrine, RoyalApe (Skybird), notscience<---
Two scum in here.

Hey peoples, you know that one player that everyone keeps calling scum but never gets lynched, but then at the end of the game they turn out to be scum? That's PeregrineV. He keeps getting called scum but never gets lynched.

VOTE: PeregrineV

reinoe · Tue Oct 14, 2014 6:12 pm

I know somebody asked me a question but I was at work and phone viewing. Now that I'm home I can't find it. If someone had a question for me could you please just re-state it.

reinoe · Tue Oct 14, 2014 6:31 pm

In post 4481, House wrote:
In post 4480, reinoe wrote:I know somebody asked me a question but I was at work and phone viewing. Now that I'm home I can't find it. If someone had a question for me could you please just re-state it.

In post 4479, House wrote:
I looked over his ISO but not super close. Nothing really jumped out at me, could you point out his scumminess please?

4479 wasn't what I was referring to but that is an interesting post you just made.

For example, you have no concerns about my suspicions on notscience or skybird. You immediately jump to question my suspicions on PeregrineV but not the other two.

To be honest I'm kinda exhausted banging my head against the wall on PeregrineV. I've made case after case after case. Nobody refutes anything but his wagon never takes off.

Mirhawk got a bigger wagon on him when nobody even specified why he was scum. Yet when it comes to Majiffy or PeregrineV nothing ever happens.

reinoe · Tue Oct 14, 2014 7:07 pm

In post 4484, House wrote:
In post 4483, reinoe wrote:
For example, you have no concerns about my suspicions on notscience or skybird.

Why would I ask about town-skybird or scum-notscience?

You have no concerns about why I'm calling your townread scum? Most people inquire about that sort of thing. I'm not saying we need to have a bare knuckle brawl of words that lasts page after page about it, but if someone has a completely opposite read than me I usually ask about it.

reinoe · Tue Oct 14, 2014 8:27 pm

UNVOTE: PeregrineV
I'd like to at least hear what Marquis/Psyche have to say about Pere and the wagon in general.

reinoe · Tue Oct 14, 2014 8:32 pm

OK, did a quick ISO and it's all good.

VOTE: PeregrineV

reinoe · Tue Oct 14, 2014 8:41 pm

In post 4504, gameplay506 wrote:Guys new plan: We start trolling, SK does all the work for us. How does it sound?

Sorry, I'm already planning on 100% trolling in my next large theme. I have to ration my trolling.

reinoe · Wed Oct 15, 2014 10:01 am

In post 4546, PeregrineV wrote:
In post 4544, Psyche wrote:i'm not saying that you active lurk
im saying that your activity patterns aren't a good reason to lynch you

There is no case, just scum and bad town.

Hey phone posting. It's been like 2 days and six deaths since the last time you ignored what dead people had to say. Just like last time when a significant number of dead people fingered Aero as scum a significant number of dead people fingered you as scum.

How do you explain all these dead people calling you and aero scum?

reinoe · Thu Oct 16, 2014 10:16 am

T
Flips table and walks out of the room

reinoe · Thu Oct 16, 2014 10:31 am

Ok I'm back. I've taken some Advil after hanging my head against the wall and I've got some spackle and white paint to deal with what I did to my wall. Serial killer can sort the marquis+psyche situation. Otherwise I'm willing to ride their conf-town status to endgame. This game is an M. Night Shyamalan role play session. I just wish this was advertised as a Theme game when I signed up.

reinoe · Thu Oct 16, 2014 10:59 am

In post 4327, Psyche wrote:do not fakeclaim as town
do not fakeclaim as town
do not fakeclaim as town

Hmmm

reinoe · Thu Oct 16, 2014 2:21 pm

Marquis, do you have daychat?

reinoe · Thu Oct 16, 2014 3:27 pm

Pine wrote:They're not Masons

I know, but I'd like to know why there were repeated references to daychat and "let's talk about this" etc. So marquis do you have daychat?

reinoe · Fri Oct 17, 2014 9:03 am

In post 4633, Psyche wrote:does no one else understand my thirst for adventure

I do. I often get lynched because of my adventurous playstyle. I'd rather the sk sort this situation but if you're the sk I'm going to look really silly...unless one of you is the sk and the other is mafia. That would be hilarious and explain the hesitation to not cc each other. I'm thinking as I type as I phone post.

reinoe · Fri Oct 17, 2014 10:25 am

In post 4636, Psyche wrote:
I do. I often get lynched because of my adventurous playstyle

it's as if you've slapped me

Well it wasn't meant to be. I've done some crazy shit so regardless of how this has all been weird it would be a ridiculous display of hypocrisy on my part if I voted for you.

reinoe · Sat Oct 18, 2014 2:40 pm

VOTE: Psyche
I'd still rather lynch PereV but fuck waiting for someone to replace into this game and then having the mod add more time to this day. To hell with that.

reinoe · Sun Oct 19, 2014 5:03 pm

In post 4702, Skybird wrote:You would be wrong Pine. I'm not scum. Have you read my ISO?

I have and it's scummy to me.

Actually...

UNVOTE: Psyche

reinoe · Mon Oct 20, 2014 1:35 pm

In post 4718, Skybird wrote:Reineo, you unvoted Psyche. So what are you going to do now?

Hey phone posting. I'm probably going to vote Pere. The only other person I'm scumreading is you, but I want to look through Maji's and Aero's ISO again.

reinoe · Mon Oct 20, 2014 1:50 pm

In post 4715, Pine wrote:PV was at L-1 and his lynch didn't happen, even when 75% of players were endorsing it. If a Townie had been in that position, he'd have been hammered.

Fuck it. I can read those ISO's during the night.
VOTE: PeregrineV

reinoe · Mon Oct 20, 2014 1:51 pm

In post 4723, reinoe wrote:
In post 4715, Pine wrote:PV was at L-1 and his lynch didn't happen, even when 75% of players were endorsing it. If a Townie had been in that position, he'd have been hammered.

Fuck it. I can read those ISO's during the night.
VOTE: PeregrineV

Unlike gameplay I won't forget.

reinoe · Mon Oct 20, 2014 3:06 pm

Holy Hannah!!!! I thought my vote was the hammer.

reinoe · Mon Oct 20, 2014 3:09 pm

In post 4729, Skybird wrote:VOTE: Pine

He's scum. I also think one of Psyche or Marquis is scum. PV is also scum.

Thinks PV is scum. Doesn't vote PV.

Please lynch Skybird tomorrow in case I'm night-killed. B.TW I did forget that you asked why I think you're scum.

I'll do it tonight.

reinoe · Mon Oct 20, 2014 5:58 pm

In post 4763, notscience wrote:Multivoter roles exist

But I have not ever seen one in a normal game

In the game where I faked a cop guilty on scum, one of the players was doublevoter. And that game was mini-normal. This game is Large-Normal. I'm surprised the role doesn't show up more often in normals.

reinoe · Tue Oct 21, 2014 5:10 am

In post 3939, reinoe wrote:
In post 3938, Marquis wrote:
In post 3935, Skybird wrote:Of the two wagons, I'm more comfortable with voting Mirhawk.

VOTE: Mirhawk

this slot is probably scum

I agree.

Reasonless vote on Mirhawk who is confirmed town...

In post 4008, reinoe wrote:tn5421 (LYNCH):
Mirhawk,
Alina, Shaddowez,
OkaPoka, reinoe, Titus,
Marquis,(Skybird)

the scum on this wagon could be...

Alina/OkaPoka/Skybird.

VOTE: Skybird

Updating this...yep my scumread on Skybird still feels right. I always scumhunt on the mislynch wagon I'm on when I know I'm town. I think Marquis is town but crazy. That leaves
Alina's slot, Shaddowez, and Skybird. Yeah Skybird looks like scum there. Like I said the TN wagon was way too fucking easy to push through. Although outside chance of Shaddowez scum.

In post 4014, reinoe wrote:
In post 4011, gameplay506 wrote:I think sky is town. What are the arguments on him ( quote, post or give post number)

Generically...

skybird is struggling to get caught up (which could be true). As she's getting caught up she has nothing to add regarding her observations. She makes a few filler comments while getting caught up.

Also this from 3887...

For now, I'm looking at the people on the Aegor wagon. When you remove the known town and people that have claimed you are left with: zMuffinMan, Shaddowez, Mirhawk, reinoe, and notscience. Since Aeronaut was not on the wagon, I think there's a good chance that one of these 5 are scum. For now, I am removing Mirhawk from that list because I really haven't seen a good argument against him.

post 3935.

Of the two wagons, I'm more comfortable with voting Mirhawk.

VOTE: Mirhawk

She has nothing to say about anything but is comfortable with a vote on Mirhawk. Like fucking everyone else who's voting Mirhawk she can't be bothered to have a reason but she's most comfortable placing her vote on one of the leading wagons of the day. She went from "nothing scummy about Mirhawk" to "let me join the club and place another reasonless vote". Remarkable.

post 3943. She doesn't know if Mirhawk or PV are scum, but she's more than happy to vote without apparently getting fully caught up, or if she is fully caught up she has nothing to say about anything. Also magically she's super focused on Mirhawk and PV but has nothing to say about TN.

post 3946. Is a rather fluffy question that makes herself look busy?

In post 3978, Skybird wrote:I can compromise on a TN lynch. I think he's town though.

VOTE: TN

Lulz, he's town but I'm voting anyway.

p:edit

gameplay506 wrote:Reinoe can you answer me?

Jesus calm down.

Here's some more stuff about why Skybird probably scum.

In post 4345, reinoe wrote:
In post 4090, reinoe wrote:
In post 4082, Skybird wrote:
In post 4007, reinoe wrote:There's two scum in Pere/zmuffin/Majiffy

Look at how impossible it was to wagon them compAres to the ease of the tn5421 Lynch.

Also nice gambit Titus.

In post 4008, reinoe wrote:tn5421 (LYNCH): Mirhawk, Alina, Shaddowez, OkaPoka, reinoe, Titus, Marquis,(Skybird)

the scum on this wagon could be...

Alina/OkaPoka/Skybird.

VOTE: Skybird

If you think there are two scum between Pere/zmuffin/Majiffy, why are you voting someone from your second group where you feel there is only one scum?
phone post...
I'm so glad you're able to crawl out of that rock and defend yourself, then go back under that rock. And without commenting on anything that's happeneD over the past three days.

This too.

In post 4477, reinoe wrote:
In post 4053, Mirhawk wrote:SK HAS to be one of the following players.
MuffinMan
Majiffy
Peregrine
notscience
Shaddowez
RoyalApe
.

Re-reading Mirhawk's Iso he was chainsaw defending OkaPoka pretty hard. I suspect that he tracked OkaPoka and knew.

Also I suspect mirhawk tracked a bunch of people and since the SK is killing every night the above are people he had not yet tracked.

Interestingly enough. The list that Mirhawk presents here is full of the scummiest people in the game.

--->Peregrine, RoyalApe (Skybird), notscience<---
Two scum in here.

Hey peoples, you know that one player that everyone keeps calling scum but never gets lynched, but then at the end of the game they turn out to be scum? That's PeregrineV. He keeps getting called scum but never gets lynched.

VOTE: PeregrineV

yeah Mirhawk thanks for the clues about who could be SK. Skybird in that list.

In post 4731, reinoe wrote:
In post 4729, Skybird wrote:VOTE: Pine

He's scum. I also think one of Psyche or Marquis is scum. PV is also scum.

Thinks PV is scum. Doesn't vote PV.

Please lynch Skybird tomorrow in case I'm night-killed. B.TW I did forget that you asked why I think you're scum.

I'll do it tonight.

=================================================================
Anyway I think there's too much interference taking place on behalf of PeregrineV for him not to be scum. Why is he so hard to wagon and why was TN5421 so easy to wagon. Majiffy also impossible to wagon.

reinoe · Tue Oct 21, 2014 10:10 am

In post 4774, Skybird wrote:Reineo and Pine, you are both wrong. I'm going to lmao at you all when I flip town.

Instead of saying you're townie could you do some townie things?

reinoe · Tue Oct 21, 2014 3:28 pm

In post 4783, Skybird wrote:Fine, I suck as a player. You've been playing since 2011. I started 3 months ago. Sorry I'm not up to your exacting standards, but I'm trying. When you started riding my case I was trying to figure out the whole mason thing. I can't believe someone who is town would go along with it and I also don't see it being a reasonable claim for another town person to make either. Now if you'd like to discuss this particular issue civilly, great. If not, good night.

This looks scummy.

reinoe · Tue Oct 21, 2014 4:25 pm

I'm fine with not lynching either marquis or psyche. The SK is literally playing against their wincon by not taking care of it. Unless SK is either Marquis or Psyche. But then mafia are playing against their wincon by not sorting it tonight. Either way scum are not playing to their wincon by letting it slide. Let's lynch PV.

reinoe · Wed Oct 22, 2014 9:15 am

In post 4778, Skybird wrote:So what do you suggest I do?

Explain the basis for your scumread on confirmed town Mirhawk.

reinoe · Wed Oct 22, 2014 7:05 pm

In post 4793, PeregrineV wrote:

I don't recall you trying to wagon Majiffy, or your read on him. What will I find if I go look?

Oh no...no please. Don't look through my ISO. Please God don't!!! No really don't. Instead...

In post 3609, PeregrineV wrote:

Only if you listen to me. It has been discussed many times that
--->dead town players get totally ignored.<---

Why don't you analyze what the dead townies have to say. Dead scum too since now we've got two of 'em. But of course you whine about what a tragedy it is that dead townies get ignored and then you proceed to ignore dead townies. There's only one reason someone would deliberately ignore what dead townies say and it has 0 town motivation.

reinoe · Wed Oct 22, 2014 7:30 pm

In post 3120, Majiffy wrote:
In post 3114, OkaPoka wrote:Royal and Peregrine are tomorrow's candidates for lynching.

Reinoe > PV

This is pretty damning fo PV.

reinoe · Thu Oct 23, 2014 4:45 am

Pine wrote:Tsk. Eagerness to curry favor is a mark against

I don't follow. I asked someone to explain their thought process on a vote decision I really hated.

reinoe · Thu Oct 23, 2014 5:36 am

In post 4796, reinoe wrote:
In post 3120, Majiffy wrote:
In post 3114, OkaPoka wrote:Royal and Peregrine are tomorrow's candidates for lynching.

Reinoe > PV

This is pretty damning fo PV.

Let me explain this...

OkaPoka (whom we now know is confirmed town) suggests that Royal and PeregrineV be lynched, or at least severely looked into.

Majiffy (confirmed scum) advocates that I be lynched over PV. Now since Majiffy is confirmed scum we know that he is trying to direct the town to mislynches. Majiffy doesn't say "ok that sounds like a good idea". He doesn't say " reinoe>Royal. He doesn't say Royal>PV or vice versa or PV>reinoe. He didn't know I'd be cop cleared. This looks like Majiffy trying to deflect attention away from one player and onto another player.

reinoe · Thu Oct 23, 2014 9:25 am

In post 4809, PeregrineV wrote:If not, then up to lynch pretty much anyone at this point. Town will only win this via miracle.

Vote: House

Why would you lament nobody listening to the dead and then proceed to never listen to the dead? Can you explain the town motivation for that?

reinoe · Thu Oct 23, 2014 9:29 am

In post 4793, PeregrineV wrote:
In post 4771, reinoe wrote:Anyway I think there's too much interference taking place on behalf of PeregrineV for him not to be scum. Why is he so hard to wagon and why was TN5421 so easy to wagon. Majiffy also impossible to wagon.

Because tn5421 gave less of a shit than I do?

I don't recall you trying to wagon Majiffy, or your read on him. What will I find if I go look?

I wasn't going to mock this post but it's such utter bullshit that I couldn't resist. Did you ever look to see if I called maji scum? Tell me what you found?

reinoe · Thu Oct 23, 2014 9:37 am

In post 4814, PeregrineV wrote:
In post 4812, reinoe wrote:
In post 4793, PeregrineV wrote:
In post 4771, reinoe wrote:Anyway I think there's too much interference taking place on behalf of PeregrineV for him not to be scum. Why is he so hard to wagon and why was TN5421 so easy to wagon. Majiffy also impossible to wagon.

Because tn5421 gave less of a shit than I do?

I don't recall you trying to wagon Majiffy, or your read on him. What will I find if I go look?

I wasn't going to mock this post but it's such utter bullshit that I couldn't resist. Did you ever look to see if I called maji scum? Tell me what you found?

Don't really care. You're either II of some sort or bad town.

I have my good games and bad games. If you're town then this is far and away the worst game I've ever played. But I pushed you because you repeatedly dodged doing things you said you'd do for days on end and wrote them off as unimportant.

reinoe · Tue Oct 28, 2014 5:50 am

So I'm utterly confused.

reinoe · Tue Oct 28, 2014 10:26 am

In post 4844, Skybird wrote:House, when you first replaced in you scum read Psyche in post 4156. Do you still read Psyche as scum?

Skybird, what do you guys discuss during the Day phase in the chat?

reinoe · Wed Oct 29, 2014 7:17 pm

In post 4053, Mirhawk wrote:SK HAS to be one of the following players.

MuffinMan
(PINE)

Majiffy

Peregrine

notscience

Shaddowez

RoyalApe
(SKYBIRD)

At the time Mirhawk believed Marquis/Psyche were masons so he didn't include them. Now that we know they're not masons.

Yes this is Information instead of Analysis but my analysis has been shit this game so maybe somebody else can do something with it.

reinoe · Thu Oct 30, 2014 5:36 pm

But that's the thing. If it's so obvious that they need to be killed that they have to be scum if they're not. That's the same flawed logic that eventually convinced me to counter-claim OkaPoka. There's a SK and a scum team. If the SK want's to take their chances and leave fake-masons alone then so be it. If scum want to take their chances and leave the SK (who's not always Bulletproof) fake-claim mason then so be it. It's against their wincon to let things be. Plus one or both of them could also be town.

reinoe · Thu Oct 30, 2014 7:19 pm

In post 4869, shaddowez wrote:I'm not sure I understand your point, reinoe. How is it more or less against their wincon than leaving you, a cop cleared and claimed PR, alive?

Who do you think is or isn't scum at this point? You haven't voted or said anything of much use toDay.

I'm out of uses of my PR. My analysis has been wrong all game except on Majiffy. Me still being alive is the same red herring crap with Oka being left alive or the not-Masons.

My point is that "why is this PR still alive" is what directly, eventually led to OkaPoka's lynch (another thing I was wrong on). Let's say one of Marquis/Psyche is actually mafia. The serial has every incentive to sort that shit. Let's say one of Marquis/Psyche is Serial Killer. Mafia has every incentive to sort that shit. Let's say they're both town. SK and Mafia have every incentive to sort that shit.

By not sorting it, both scum factions are playing against their wincon. If town lynches either than we're doing the work that scum should be doing. It's the scum's responsibility to deal with outed PR's when there are two scum factions.

Who do I think is scum? Everything inside me is saying it's Skybird but I've been wrong about everything this game.

reinoe · Thu Oct 30, 2014 8:30 pm

In post 4871, House wrote:

One way or the other, there is scum between the two.

You may be right, but it's not town's immediate concern.

reinoe · Thu Oct 30, 2014 8:51 pm

In post 4858, reinoe wrote:
In post 4053, Mirhawk wrote:SK HAS to be one of the following players.

MuffinMan
(PINE)

Majiffy

Peregrine

notscience

Shaddowez

RoyalApe
(SKYBIRD)

At the time Mirhawk believed Marquis/Psyche were masons so he didn't include them. Now that we know they're not masons.

Yes this is Information instead of Analysis but my analysis has been shit this game so maybe somebody else can do something with it.

House, why are you not interested in lynching any of the three above (Pine, Shaddowez, Skybird)?

reinoe · Fri Oct 31, 2014 1:23 pm

VOTE: House

reinoe · Fri Oct 31, 2014 3:23 pm

In post 4891, Skybird wrote:Can you explain your House vote reinoe?

No.

reinoe · Sat Nov 01, 2014 7:04 am

In post 4893, Pine wrote:Marquis is a possible partner, as the point regarding claimed Masons surviving this long is solid.

Why do you think the serial killer can't/won't take care of it? If Psyche flips town are you just gonna chain lynch Marquis?

reinoe · Sat Nov 01, 2014 9:58 am

In post 4899, Pine wrote:

I feel Marquis is a mistake at this time.

And under what circumstances would it not be a mistake? What does the "AT THIS TIME" mean? That rings of what I feared. It looks like an attempt to chain lynches.

reinoe wrote:
In post 4893, Pine wrote:
-->Marquis is a possible partner,<--
as the point regarding claimed Masons surviving this long is solid.

Why do you think the serial killer can't/won't take care of it?

What happened in the six posts that changed your mind?

reinoe · Sat Nov 01, 2014 10:14 am

In post 4905, Pine wrote:
In post 4895, Pine wrote:Actually, Psyche flipping Town would suggest Marquis!Town. I don't see scum faking Masons with a Townie. High risk low reward

I thought that was implied as the inverse of my statement. Also, pretty sure I said as much the previous day, after the fakeclaimery was revealed

Did you not read this post?

Yes, and I disagree with it entirely.

Psyche being town doesn't preclude Marquis scum. Psyche scum doesn't preclude Marquis town. If the town wants to lynch Psyche that's fine but I'm going to be on the sidelines saying that it's something the scum need to sort at every opportunity.

reinoe · Sat Nov 01, 2014 10:22 am

In post 4908, Pine wrote:So fine, you disagree. That doesn't mean that you can selectively quote me in big letters to twist my words into saying things I didn't mean.

Get back on track

Psyche lynch

Twist your words into saying things you didn't mean? C'mon a flip like that in only six posts is something I'm going to ask about if only to get clarification. However you are dodging the "we should let scum sort it" aspect of my statement. In fact everyone is.

If someone, anyone, wants to explain why my reasoning is erroneous please step up to the plate.

reinoe · Sat Nov 01, 2014 11:43 am

In post 4911, Skybird wrote:
In post 4907, reinoe wrote:
In post 4905, Pine wrote:
In post 4895, Pine wrote:Actually, Psyche flipping Town would suggest Marquis!Town. I don't see scum faking Masons with a Townie. High risk low reward

I thought that was implied as the inverse of my statement. Also, pretty sure I said as much the previous day, after the fakeclaimery was revealed

Did you not read this post?

Yes, and I disagree with it entirely.

Psyche being town doesn't preclude Marquis scum. Psyche scum doesn't preclude Marquis town. If the town wants to lynch Psyche that's fine but I'm going to be on the sidelines saying that it's something the scum need to sort at every opportunity.

But the problem is scum has not sorted this claim. Marquis made the claim on Day 3. Both SK and scum have had two opportunities to hit one of them. It hasn't happened. Do we wait until town loses to realize that scum/sk aren't going to sort it?

Again, if they're both town then scum are playing against their wincon by leaving it alone. Regardless if one of them is scum then that means there's a 50% chance of hitting someone with a nightkill and a major threat to you. If SK and mafia want to pass up those odds then we should let them.

reinoe · Sun Nov 02, 2014 8:10 am

Personal anectdote time...

In micro 351 I was in a situation where two players were at L-1 and I was the only person around. There was one scum left. I strongly believed that BOTH players were town based on how the previous scum lynch played out. I ultimately hammered even though I felt like shit about it. We then went to Lylo with a VI who was buddying my scumread all day. I knew there was no hope of winning at that point. And I vowed that I would not hammer at deadline just to ensure there was a lynch. I'm getting the same icky vibe and I'm especially concerned about the lack of viable counterwagon more than anything. I think there's a chance that Psyche is town and even if he's not town scum have EVERY INCENTIVE TO NIGHTKILL between Psyche/Marquis. Every incentive.

I'm around but I absolutely will not hammer.

reinoe · Sun Nov 02, 2014 9:05 am

In post 4923, Pine wrote:Umm no. You're completely discounting the possibility of a Psyche-Marquis team. They'd have no incentive to kill one another.

So you're saying there's no SK? Cuz if there they have a 100% of killing scum between Marquis/Psyche. SK definitely wants to kill scum.

reinoe · Sun Nov 02, 2014 9:08 am

In post 4924, reinoe wrote:
In post 4923, Pine wrote:Umm no. You're completely discounting the possibility of a Psyche-Marquis team. They'd have no incentive to kill one another.

So you're saying there's no SK? Cuz if there they have a 100% of killing scum between Marquis/Psyche. SK definitely wants to kill scum.

Wow that post is nasty.

Your argument is that there is no SK interested in killing between Marquis/Psyche. If there is a SK then they have even more incentive to ensure that Marquis/Psyche are not a scum buddy team.

reinoe · Sun Nov 02, 2014 9:17 am

~ Deadline expires 11/02/14, @2PM Central.

Well that's no-lynch.

reinoe · Sun Nov 02, 2014 12:30 pm

I will say that this game should be reviewed for analysis in a multitude of ways.

Scum reluctance to kill PR's creating WIFOM, town fake claiming+fake claimed masons, when and when not to counterclaim, what to do about scummy looking town players, Day 1 lynch being impossible to analyze due to misunderstood votecounts, relatively strange nightkill choices by scum, and when should you if ever, force a no-lynch.

Regardless of the outcome I'll probably nominate this game for something in the scummies.

reinoe · Sun Nov 02, 2014 3:41 pm

In post 4933, Pine wrote:If Town loses because of this no-lynch, blame falls squarely on reinoe (unless he's Godfather, then bravo). There's a chance that Psyche is a mislynch, but choosing to allow a no lynch is downright anti-Town

I accept full responsibility for my actions because I've already admitted that this is the worst game I've ever played considering that I've been on every lynch this game. However if town thinks a no-lynch is worse than a mislynch then I'll argue against that point. I'll also argue that a loss or win doesn't come down to one player except under incredible circumstances.

at the less than subtle implication of Godfather.

reinoe · Sun Nov 02, 2014 3:43 pm

VOTE: Pine

I just placed a naked vote on Pine. Discuss.

reinoe · Sun Nov 02, 2014 3:48 pm

In post 4940, House wrote:
In post 4929, Psyche wrote:You guys forgot to ask for a claim, too.

K. Claim, please.

This is awful.

reinoe · Sun Nov 02, 2014 3:54 pm

In post 4945, House wrote:
In post 4944, reinoe wrote:
In post 4940, House wrote:
In post 4929, Psyche wrote:You guys forgot to ask for a claim, too.

K. Claim, please.

This is awful.

Like you are one to criticize anybody.

Actually, I'm down with a massclaim. Because fuck it why not.

reinoe · Sun Nov 02, 2014 3:58 pm

People claim their role. Then popcorn to another player. Everyone participates. Not claiming is generally considered a scum claim.

reinoe · Sun Nov 02, 2014 4:11 pm

In post 4950, House wrote:You do realize there are roles that become NK-bait or completely worthless once claimed, yes?

Possibly and those players will probably lie but town generally tell the truth or at least choose roles that make sense. Scum generally have much more incentive to lie because they'll have roles that won't make sense with the setup for townies to have access to. Basically the claims will be like a puzzle and townies will have roles that fit the puzzle. Scum will have pieces of the puzzle that don't make sense.

This happened in NY 176. Scum should have lost that game based on the claims but town was...less than efficient at claim analysis because all the metagame players were killed.

reinoe · Sun Nov 02, 2014 7:52 pm

House wrote:
In post 4951, reinoe wrote:
In post 4950, House wrote:You do realize there are roles that become NK-bait or completely worthless once claimed, yes?

Possibly and those players will probably lie but town generally tell the truth or at least choose roles that make sense. Scum generally have much more incentive to lie because they'll have roles that won't make sense with the setup for townies to have access to. Basically the claims will be like a puzzle and townies will have roles that fit the puzzle. Scum will have pieces of the puzzle that don't make sense.

I've been mulling this offer, and your post makes no sense.

So, a townie with a PR that is detrimental if outed will likely lie.

Scum will likely lie.

So if town senses a fishy claim, they will suspect scum and run that player up, forcing them to claim their PR, effectively undermining their efforts.

Seems fifty shades of shitty. I'm against mass claim.

Hey that's cool. Like I highlighted in my example, mass claims near end of game can directly lead to a town win if the pieces are put together. But it's a town decision after all. Although I'd like to hear from other players too.

reinoe · Mon Nov 03, 2014 12:24 pm

In post 4959, Psyche wrote:i
do
still want to be replaced

Have you sent out pm's to players sking them to replace your slot?

reinoe · Mon Nov 03, 2014 2:13 pm

In post 4964, House wrote:
In post 4963, shaddowez wrote:I'm going to sheep reinoe for now, and will post reasons why shortly

This should be interesting. Pine had been town as fuck.

Meh on "town as fuck" commentary.

Not including the "not masons", there's a 33% chance he's SK.

reinoe · Mon Nov 03, 2014 5:20 pm

TBH I kinda wanna no-lynch just to let the scum kill each other. I'm also a little uncomfortable with anyone buddying me considering how wrong I've been all game.

UNVOTE:

reinoe · Tue Nov 04, 2014 2:40 pm

In post 4981, Skybird wrote: What do you think of Shadowez post about Pine?

Why don't you share your thoughts on Shaddowez' post about Pine.

reinoe · Thu Nov 06, 2014 5:34 am

In post 4984, Skybird wrote:
In post 4982, reinoe wrote:
In post 4981, Skybird wrote: What do you think of Shadowez post about Pine?

Why don't you share your thoughts on Shaddowez' post about Pine.

I know some of those quotes are from Pine's argument with me. I don't trust my read on Pine because of that argument which is why I am asking for other's input. I did have a leaning scum read on zMuffin. Pine has been more town sounding.

Two questions for you reinoe. What do you think of Pine and why do you think scum/sk haven't taken out Psyche and Marquis?

1)I have a scum lean on him due to his posts and PoE.

2)This question is time wasting WIFOM and will not be answered.

reinoe · Thu Nov 06, 2014 4:10 pm

In post 4990, Skybird wrote:
In post 4987, reinoe wrote:

2)This question is time wasting WIFOM and will not be answered.

I disagree. You keep saying you want to leave Marquis/Psyche to be taken care of by the mafia/sk. To me, you are derailing lynch attempts on both individuals. Why?

Because why am I not killed? Why wasn't OkaPoka?.

Can you definitively answer these questions? I know I can't. I can speculate but that's awful.

reinoe · Fri Nov 07, 2014 8:26 am

In post 1179, Elyse wrote:
In post 1121, Aeronaut wrote:If tree flips scum I'm just gonna laugh and accept my lynch.

This basically sums up why we should lynch Aeronaut.

He's (or was) voting tree, someone who he is expecting to flip town (and yelling at NS for doing the same thing), and even if that person flips scum, he will accept his lynch the next day.

So if Aeronaut is town, this plan GUARANTEES the death of at least one townie from his PoV. What the fuck is that? What townie would vote for someone and accept his own lynch if that person flips scum?

It makes no sense.

Elyse is a goldmine of towniness and is always worth reviewing...

reinoe · Fri Nov 07, 2014 8:28 am

In post 1213, Elyse wrote:
In post 1209, RoyalApe wrote:
I see consistency through it. Once we are out of RVS, he is wanting reasons for reads and isn't settling for "that's town" and "that's scum". I like that.

Ok.

In post 1209, RoyalApe wrote:
He is fighting against trains building without such rationale.

And then joined that same train.

In post 1209, RoyalApe wrote:
He gave a full run down on all players, so he isn't being a hypocrite in asking for reads from others but not providing them himself.

He didn't actually and you don't have to have reads on all players to be able to ask for reads. And hypocrisy isn't scummy.

In post 1209, RoyalApe wrote:
His 1 for 1 reasoning is something that I don't buy AT ALL, but the thought process behind going along with eliminating tree because he doesn't see tree being helpful for the town is something that I can understand.

Yeah except he made a deal that will only benefit him if he's scum. And he disappeared after I pointed that out.

In post 1209, RoyalApe wrote:
I don't think Aero is scum.

Try again.

I need to re-assess the neighborhoods but was Aero in the same neighborhood as RoyalApe/Skybird?

reinoe · Fri Nov 07, 2014 8:30 am

In post 1419, Elyse wrote:
In post 1417, gameplay506 wrote:
In post 1415, Elyse wrote:This is especially to gameplay like what the fuck is that Mirhawk vote? You're the only one voting him. Do you seriously expect that lynch to go through?

I seriously think it can go through, There is plenty of time we don't need to rush lynches.

For what? Saying that Aero needs to cut the softclaim bullshit and we should run him up to L-1 for a claim?

Better string me up too!

I'm going to remember this hard and apply it to future games when I notice softclaiming.

reinoe · Fri Nov 07, 2014 8:18 pm

In post 4997, Skybird wrote:Yes, Aero was in my neighborhood.

OK, so even though Skybird is scummy as fuck, she's probably not scum.

reinoe · Mon Nov 24, 2014 11:31 am

In post 5174, Skybird wrote:Sorry Marquis, I don't remember you asking about it. I thought House brought up USMB when he was talking about me not being an active player over there. I told him I didn't want to talk about it because my posting pattern (or lack there of) is more personal reasons.

The thing I couldn't get past was the fake mason claim. I'm still spending a lot of time reading newbie games and all the SE's and IC's constantly tell us new players to not fake claim. My question is do players do fake claims a lot outside of the newbie games?

Well, look at it this way, I refused to scumread them after the fake-claim.

reinoe · Mon Nov 24, 2014 11:59 am

In post 5189, Psyche wrote:fakeclaiming masons is exciting

I'm gonna try it in the next game I'm with either of you.

reinoe · Mon Nov 24, 2014 6:56 pm

In post 5211, Marquis wrote:a lot of your read/case progressions made no sense and i thought it was because you were town

The sad thing is that this is true of mafiascum meta right now.

1) Cases make sense.
2) Player is behaving rationally.
3) Isn't blowing up and getting into fights with other players.
4) Seems townie.

must be scum.

reinoe · Mon Nov 24, 2014 6:57 pm

In post 5205, House wrote:VOTE: Marquis (Scum MVP)

This is a kinda jerky thing to say.

reinoe · Sat Nov 29, 2014 6:57 pm