Mini 1628: Rick Santorum Saves Xmas - Gaybepocalypse

[Wisdom]

Hai

VOTE: tsq

[Wisdom]

Yeah we'll be here for a while

[Wisdom]

Votes should totally count

VOTE: gif

[Wisdom]

I'll have Box 6

[Wisdom]

Such good people nobody's stealing

[Wisdom]

lol reasoning

[Wisdom]

Steal Box 9 from Bert

[Wisdom]

Umm no I didnt

[Wisdom]

buh bye gif

[Wisdom]

VOTE: Mathdino
give me my weed back

[Wisdom]

Well town is blue instead of green, so it could be

[Wisdom]

Nevermind, check the flips in this game. GIF was third party.

Pedit: damn

[Wisdom]

Math I still want my weed back

Bert why do you keep saying I started the stealing? Its not what happened

[Wisdom]

I doubt it can be so simple, but we could try

[Wisdom]

^fact

[Wisdom]

inb4 THERE IS NO TOWN WISDOM

Fuduzn would never be able to tell scum-Wis from town-Wis, that much is sure

[Wisdom]

why not shoot me then?

[Wisdom]

steal shea

this was actually the first steal of the game, bert

[Wisdom]

too bad box 10 was left last. If it had been in play and people had been stealing it, those people would be likely non-mafia

[Wisdom]

Also, all the people that could have taken Box 10 and end the phase yet chose to steal instead are suspicious. Those were: {TSO, Mathdino, Wisdom, Bert, Marquis}.

Also:

Just take box 10.

This is most likely town.

[Wisdom]

Just take box 10.

VOTE: marquis

[Wisdom]

oops the quote wasnt supposed to be there

[Wisdom]

bert how about we pseudovote for who you shoot, then lynch normally

[Wisdom]

I suggest you definitely shoot among the people I said (well obviously excluding yourself). Marquis is my pick if I had to choose right now.

[Wisdom]

someone's scared of being shot

[Wisdom]

Mathdino does have a point. The way it is now, scum are not going to select the primed box, meaning town will always die. If we force everyone to take a certain box someone else says though, then it's possible that scum can be killed. Not very likely, but still possible.

[Wisdom]

we won't lynch you, we'll just have bert shoot you

[Wisdom]

Vote for who Bert shoots:

Marquis (2) - Wisdom, Mathdino

moar people should vote

[Wisdom]

VOTE: bert

no excuses, we lynch this

[Wisdom]

that's irrelevant. Either he is town and meant to shoot TSO, but misspelled it to TSQ, or he is scum and did it on purpose. His read on TSQ is not relevant.

[Wisdom]

maybe tso is his buddy? dunno but its definitely the sort of thing scum-bert would do

[Wisdom]

VOTE: TSO

[Wisdom]

lol good point

he had typed TSQ up there, it makes sense his autocorrect made it TSQ

[Wisdom]

hope Wisdom's scum. his play so far has been all kinds of bad.

Oh really? Why is that?

[Wisdom]

ill jump on whoever i want, thank you <3

now hang

[Wisdom]

yeah shinobi is on my radar as well

but lets get tso first

[Wisdom]

Idk if I should be laughing or crying. Srsly Bert!?

i think this is town btw

[Wisdom]

Marquis - probtown
Aronis - town
Bert - town
Shinobi - probscum
Wisdom - town
Konowa - town
Flames682 - probtown
crazypianist1116 - probscum
FuDuzn - probtown
Mathdino - town
T S O - scum

looks good

[Wisdom]

People really cant read

[Wisdom]

Explain Aronis, Shinobi, cp1116?

Aronis - see 395
Shinobi - as was mentioned, his sheeping the Bert vote is bad, especially his reasoning that is irrelevant
cp is just gut

[Wisdom]

Why would your phone autocorrect to tsq over tso?

See 382. Bert had said "TSQ" in a previous post, making his autocorrect think that "TSO" was supposed to be "TSQ" too.

[Wisdom]

-Konowa's deduction about post 212 and his vote on TSO sucks, but the post itself isn't scummy. At D1 Elephant phase no one knew that a box contained a scumkill so people stole just for fun.

That was my theory and it doesn't suck at all. Scum more than likely know which box is the primed box, meaning whoever avoided box 10 is suspicious.

[Wisdom]

VOTE: Wisdom

That readslist is bad and almost completely unexplained.

wtf is this

shinobi scumread strengthens

[Wisdom]

Wisdom's vote on page 15 is suspicious along with Shinobi's sheeping, Kaboose explains why.

There's no Kaboose in this game

[Wisdom]

Dislike Wisdom's switch to TSO. His argument for TSO-scum relies on Bert-scum.

No it doesn't, I voted him for the way he was reacting, not because I thought he's bert's buddy

[Wisdom]

Wisdom has a poor argument

What argument?

[Wisdom]

Then you need to explain why you thought townBert actually wanted to vig TSO. Because it's not obvious from his post history at all.

The post in which he vigged explains why

[Wisdom]

Sigh this is the second time this has happened to me this week. Wisdom, I really dislike when people frame their vote to make it look like they're making one argument, but then they come back later and say "Oh no, that's not why I voted them, here's the actual reason I voted". This is anti-town behavior at best as it allows the voter to spin whatever argument they want after people have made evaluations on reasoning that isn't valid.

I didn't frame my argument as anything, dude. I didn't like what TSO was doing so I voted him. I don't have to explain every single thing I do.

[Wisdom]

Then why did he vote Marquis but then decide to just dayvig TSO?

because from his marquis vote to the time he vigged he changed his mind?

That said, I remember disliking the fact he rushed to a shot despite making him agree that he would shoot whoever we voted for. But I can see Bert doing it, and as much as I didn't like it, it isn't scummy.

[Wisdom]

Anyway I like flames left and cp more based on latest happenings

Let's see TSO flip as well

[Wisdom]

less*

[Wisdom]

tso you were just terrible, mate. Don't attack me out of nowhere next time and you'll last longer

[Wisdom]

Guess not

[Wisdom]

I'll take Box 4

[Wisdom]

Steal Box 2 from Aronis

[Wisdom]

inb4 its box 10 again

[Wisdom]

I'll take Box 10

[Wisdom]

This isn't going very well

[Wisdom]

So Bert had box 9 before konowa stole it
Prolly means Bert town unless gambit

[Wisdom]

(it resolves at the end of the phase).

Sounds convenient given it will likely be lylo tomorrow

[Wisdom]

Is this an attempt to remind us you had this awesome plan and therefore should be regarded as town?

[Wisdom]

You didn't really seem to care when we didn't do it yesterday

[Wisdom]

Why the Shinobi vote?

[Wisdom]

You're not very convincing. You made much better arguments in the other game.

Like "it's either him or marquis". Why? Why can't they both be town?

[Wisdom]

Also, shinobis first post toDay ping my scumdar

You mean "wow, lol"? Why?

[Wisdom]

What's wrong with 363?

[Wisdom]

Or he could be town who thought Bert looked scummy

VOTE: fuduzn

[Wisdom]

Why is he town? Also remind me why marquis got townier for you today?

[Wisdom]

They aren't, Fu is just sheeping math

[Wisdom]

Marquis repeatedly didn't pick the 2 or 3 non-kill boxes I picked out for him.

And? He was not following the plan anyway

[Wisdom]

Or he could be scum who saw an opportunity for a quick an easy mislynch.

Which means he could be either. Therefore why are you jumping to a conclusion?

[Wisdom]

Why are you trying so hard to poke holes in my argument?

Because you don't have one, you're taking something null and painting it as scummy

[Wisdom]

Scum move in my opinion to jump all over a potential VI move, town would Give benefit of the doubt intially and would at least wait for Bert to offer an explanation before insta voting.

"scum generally do this, town would do this"

Bullshit. Each player plays differently.

[Wisdom]

Oh wait, didn't you insta vote as well wisdom?

Yep, so why is Shinobi scum and I'm not?

[Wisdom]

I am saying that makes him slightly townier than Shinobi.

But why is what I don't get. Refusing to get the boxes you told him is null. He had already said he's not doing the plan.

[Wisdom]

No, I'm not knocking your reads. I'm pointing out the scum motivation in your posts.

So, you're saying me and Shinobi are both scum?

[Wisdom]

Good because here:

and here you are knocking my reads because they are different than yours and arrived at them in a different manner than you may.

You are talking to me like I'm town.

gg

[Wisdom]

Furthermore I'm actually townreading the fact that FuD starts defending his reads/logic rather than his alignment, as if the latter wasn't really in question.

This makes no sense. He's defending what I'm attacking.

[Wisdom]

590 was a response to 588, not to math

[Wisdom]

Not that this made any sense since we nowhere talked about my alignment, but clarifying anyway

[Wisdom]

Umm. How does.one "defend his alignment"? What do you expect him to say? People are going to read him based on his arguments and logic, not on he what he says his alignment is.

[Wisdom]

Fuduzn/Marquis and one of {cp,Math} is my guess

[Wisdom]

He doesn't say "you're calling me scum based off of 'so-and-so'", he says "you're calling my reads shit because of 'so-and-so'". I find the difference notable.

I don't understand your point, and that doesn't tell me good things about you given you were very transparent as town.

[Wisdom]

You're expecting certain things from certain alignments. It's wrong. People play differently.

[Wisdom]

Why is Aronis scum?

[Wisdom]

No, I'm questioning votes I disagree with.

What do you think about fuduzn?

[Wisdom]

Isn't very alignment indicative for aronis

[Wisdom]

I feel the same about FuD as I did on D1

which is?

[Wisdom]

What 3 boxes are you talking about?

This:

Marquis should take box 11

is the only one you tell him what to take and even that is invalid because there is no box 11.

I fail to understand where you are getting townpoints from.

[Wisdom]

You didn't even remember what happened yet you gave townpoints to people

sounds legit

[Wisdom]

Okay, so why is 363 scummy Math?

You seemed to agree with this yesterday

[Wisdom]

In 492 his excuse to Wisdom is "I was sheeping you" which is, needless to say, lame-ass (combined with the fact that he ended up voting the guy he sheeped, likely to backpedal from the move)

These make him town if anything

[Wisdom]

All of these can be done by town just as easily. Yet like fuduzn, you're acting like you have a huge scumtell in front of you. It troubles me that both of you are doing it for obvious reasons, but meh

[Wisdom]

Aronis hasn't done shit either, I don't see him suspecting him

[Wisdom]

Shinobis intial post toDay is not scummy in a vacuum, but I did explain why coupled with 363 it could be a scum tell

No, you didn't, you just called 363 scummy on its own. What is the connection between the two posts?

[Wisdom]

Insta voting just after someone else got the ball rolling is a scummy move since Bert is the easy VI lynch at that point.

Day had just started. I just happened to post first. This is bullshit.

[Wisdom]

The point is, it's not like it was some random point in the day where someone started a wagon and shinobi sheeped like Fuduzn is presenting it. Bert did what he did, I voted him instantly after thread unlock, shinobi agreed and sheeped. Makes sense for town.

[Wisdom]

VOTE: shinobi
can we just lynch scum already
thanksbye

This is scum. 100%.

Fuduzn/Marquis and we're looking for the third.

[Wisdom]

I do not agree with shooting marquis, as Aronis said it seems just like trolling and is not alignment indicative.

another thing pointing to fuduzn/Marquis btw

[Wisdom]

Mathdino is the third until further notice

[Wisdom]

Why is Shinobi scum, marquis?

[Wisdom]

Aronis, who is scum?

[Wisdom]

pedit because of tso shenanigans i already quoted it

Explain

[Wisdom]

Pre edit: Why so defensive wisdom? I was saying that it was the timing of shinobis sheeping of you that was scummy......

I'm saying you didn't explain how his "wow lol" post coupled with 363 forms a scumtell like you're claiming. You just explained why you don't like 363.

[Wisdom]

like i really don't see how that needs to be explained further
that's like the definition of a scum post

No it isn't, and I just explained why
Do explain why it is

[Wisdom]

Explain why it's scum first

[Wisdom]

No I don't know what you mean. That post can very easily come from town.

[Wisdom]

And I explained why I don't his initial post, and especially why I don't like it coupled with 363.

No, you didn't explain why you don't like them together.

[Wisdom]

Also someone explain to me how Fuduzn-town thinks Shinobi is scum for sheeping me, yet I am ALSO scum.

[Wisdom]

Also explain why you wanted to wait until white elephant, marquis.

[Wisdom]

Aronis read the thread.

[Wisdom]

See my exchange with Mathdino and you'll see why I think he's scum.

[Wisdom]

Also vote fuduzn

[Wisdom]

And yeah your reads are terrible

[Wisdom]

Shinobi how sure are you Aronis is town?

[Wisdom]

I'm starting to think he's scum tbh

[Wisdom]

{Bert, Flames, Shinobi} = town. maybe crazypianist.

The other four minus one are scum

[Wisdom]

Crazy talk to me about fuduzn

[Wisdom]

Kay

[Wisdom]

No, Aronis. You dont need flipped scum to see those two are not scum together.

[Wisdom]

Why is flames scum, btw?

[Wisdom]

Sounds to me like Aronis is scum with fuduzn and marquis isnt

[Wisdom]

No, Aronis. You dont need flipped scum to see those two are not scum together.

Unlike somebody [who voted tso and happened to be wrong ] I'm not 110% certain about either read and thus find it necessary to be more open to the idea of being wrong.

Confidence in reads has nothing to do with this.

[Wisdom]

exactly

[Wisdom]

So you think fuduzn is town and you're voting him?

[Wisdom]

VOTE: Aronis

Let's lynch this first

[Wisdom]

nono Aronis first

[Wisdom]

^scumslip

Need i explain why?

[Wisdom]

He says that I avoid lynching fud because i dont want to be proven wrong.
If he knows himself town, then lynching him does the same, proving me wrong.

[Wisdom]

Eh whatever scumslip or not he's scum

[Wisdom]

Oh so now I'm scum? The plot thickens

[Wisdom]

VOTE: fuduzn

[Wisdom]

Ok nvm Aronis might just be bad as usual

Back on course

[Wisdom]

Aronis one day I want you to explain why you keep doing this when you've seen me catching scum in all our games together

[Wisdom]

When did I ever lynch town in a game with you?

Offense or Defense? Caught bro D1.
Turf War? Caught both scum D1.

...?

[Wisdom]

I think aronis is using this fighting to not do jack shit in this game

Nah I think it's genuine

[Wisdom]

Which happened because you and Aegor didn't listen. That still doesn't tell me where you get the idea that I "lynch town".

[Wisdom]

this is that post to say that i've been posting in other games but avoiding this one since i really would prefer not to be caught up in this tangle

will attempt to untangle after the majority of you 4 get offline

please stop spamming

thank you

Mathdino, my question regarding fuduzn please

[Wisdom]

Sounds like an excuse, Mathdino :/

[Wisdom]

So we stopped. I want to hear how Mathdino explains fuduzn behavior

[Wisdom]

Well you are defending him, so what's weird about that?

[Wisdom]

I don't really need a cop to be obvtown but sure go ahead

[Wisdom]

Math feels more town now

[Wisdom]

I got nothin

[Wisdom]

Also, fuck you wisdom

Dude how the fuck can you be this scummy all the time

[Wisdom]

Aronis/Marquis/pianist
Or something

[Wisdom]

So what happened with the abilities

[Wisdom]

Marquis is scumposting

[Wisdom]

Why do you want scum to pick for conftown lol

[Wisdom]

Umm no. Aronis can easily kill me and that won't even prove he is scum because it could have been by chance.

[Wisdom]

Given obvscum fuduzn ended up being town, yeah

[Wisdom]

I'm not conftown to them, just to you

[Wisdom]

Right right

[Wisdom]

Why wouldn't it?

[Wisdom]

You're.not making any sense. When scum have conftown, they kill conftown.

[Wisdom]

given im going to lynch you, im sure that makes sense

[Wisdom]

lol

[Wisdom]

pick box 8

Bert take box 1

[Wisdom]

inb4 I'm dead

[Wisdom]

so marquis/aronis/pianist still

anyone with abilities or something?

[Wisdom]

Bert who is scum?

[Wisdom]

just tell me your opinion, its not like we'll lynch who you say

[Wisdom]

Why is that?

[Wisdom]

dat lylo quickvote

[Wisdom]

And what happened in these three days?

[Wisdom]

Why did you quote him talking about his ability?

[Wisdom]

Why did he do the box thing as scum?

[Wisdom]

Because I'm conftown so me staying alive is helpful to the town. His staying alive isn't, he's lynchbait.

So you tell me, why didn't he take the safe box without saying anything if he's scum?

[Wisdom]

Makes no sense for aronis-scum to save me like this. He knows how I tunnel. Something like this wouldn't change my mind at all. He would be better off leaving the possibility I die open.

[Wisdom]

ill contradict all i want, what you gonna do?

[Wisdom]

VOTE: flames

[Wisdom]

VOTE: marquis

fine let's start from the more obvious scum first

[Wisdom]

Above makes me wanna vote flames again

[Wisdom]

But above above further confirms marquis scum so whatevs

[Wisdom]

Why?

[Wisdom]

k pretty sure thats not town-flames

[Wisdom]

VOTE: flames

k

[Wisdom]

there can be no other scumteam than you/marquis/pianist so whatever

[Wisdom]

nvm ill hate myself if im wrong somehow and marquis wins this despite being obvscum all game

VOTE: marquis

first

[Wisdom]

nope

[Wisdom]

Also why are we so sure it's lylo? We really going to have a three person scumteam and a 3p in the same 13 player game?

yes, that is often the case, even when the 3p is actually dangerous unlike here

[Wisdom]

if not lylo, it's just marquis and pianist. But it is, and the third is flames

[Wisdom]

2 votes on marquis plix

[Wisdom]

next lynch is pianist, and then it's between flames and aronis for last

[Wisdom]

also please continue the plan, Flames pick for pianist

[Wisdom]

Ill pick 4

Shinobi take 1

[Wisdom]

if I die plz lynch pianist

[Wisdom]

VOTE: pianist

[Wisdom]

How the fuck was pianist town

Eh this is prolly over

[Wisdom]

I'll take box 1

[Wisdom]

its flames/aronis but its over unless theres no kill again somehow

[Wisdom]

And?

[Wisdom]

Prolly there are no killing boxes D4 on?

[Wisdom]

Let's lynch correctly today

I think it's flames and aronis but not rushing it

[Wisdom]

Nah. Most likely two scum remain

[Wisdom]

i dont get how random third parties make more sense than the default 3 mafia

[Wisdom]

It's not like they selected not to kill. Just probably no killing box. Did you see any giant black dildos?

[Wisdom]

dunno it makes more sense than random third parties

[Wisdom]

which makes it even less likely for

more

of them to exist

[Wisdom]

anything is possible sure. that doesn't make it likely

lack of death might be due to gifts too, like a doctor or bp gift

we still dont know exactly how scum get to black dildo someone, therefore we can't make any reliable assumptions.

for now we should play as if this is normal lylo with 2 scum left.