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Some variation of a Town read/Not willing to lynch

gogurt
Cephrir
STD
ffery
SSK
Hostile Intent
Brian
Bookitty
orcinus
notscience

Of this list, only STD and notty give me flights of paranoia.

How's your willing to lynch pile going? What are your reasonings?

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@ffery

, so my question to Ceph felt like I was literally only trying to gauge whether ABR is still lynchable? I overthink this game so hard when I'm town or scum and I think my meta can attest to that. Is it really that unlikely that I'm getting frustrated that all of my reads are shit even though I've put so much time trying to catch up and read things in this game? I also gave a reason for why I was questioning him on it.

Why do you feel all your reads are shit? Are there any you feel confident about?

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Orc do you think scum-cheetory would try to fake a townslip?

What townslip are you talking about?

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Ok. I thought I'd missed something big in the game thread.

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Cabd, you planning on catching up in this game anytime soon?

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beats the hell out of being hardpushed.

I think I'm going to retract this. I was being pissy about last night, but it's preferable to know where I stand.

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The only thing I know right now is I like SMP for town and i don't think that wagon should happen.

pedit is the accused target in the list, yes or no

Agree.

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Cabd, you planning on catching up in this game anytime soon?

Was at lunch with orc and mara, couldnt exactly think or talk about the game out loud to myself.


The scumread on you actually makes me incredibly good about the clear on orc. Five to six IRL days ago, somebody in my hood expressed a signifigant scumread on you. I don't think scum orc in a scum partnership with one of them does a clearing gambit and then pre-empts orc in a scum-ffery case.

Like I said upthread somewhere, to me the potential clear is incidental. his play is town.

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well not really, let me rephrase that

it's the list of people i'm comfortable with other people townreading

What makes you comfortable with Cabd townreads?

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Okay, in your Post 2570, SMP didn't say that.

Fucked up the owner of the quotes. Was saying that I thought SMP was following the logic from quote A to quote B. EG: someone was commenting on something relating to flubber and then SMP said something that I thought was related to that.

How did you fuck up the quotes? You have too erase the original quoted person's post reference and add my name to it.

sometimes the highlight and quote feature makes that almost a one-click operation if you're not paying attention.

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notsci how do you feel about ceph?

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ok.

vote: dedicated scribe.

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I have three confident scumreads and he's down as a maybe but think of him as four

who are you talking about?

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You're going to try to mislynch me, aren't you?

If you shoot notsci tonight I will personally see to it that you are strung up on day 3. From beyond the grave if necessary.

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Oh btw orc the next league champ I was quoting was annie

I think I'll get a full explanation of my reads in the QT tonight jic I die

But if I die lynch order should be ABR>(x)>BPC>Ceph imo

pedit-
Well I mean, scum already know

idk, too late in the day. If I'm here tomorrow I'll probably claim it

I just wanted to have ABR lynched before then but its whatever

I really want to understand your ceph read. the main reason I haven't outed what I know completely to my neighbors is because I don't think you trust my neighborhood the way I trust it.

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I told ffery to "bear" with me

I crumbed to you first. As soon as I got that message I knew what you were.

*smug*

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You're going to try to mislynch me, aren't you?

If you shoot notsci tonight I will personally see to it that you are strung up on day 3. From beyond the grave if necessary.

That's cool that you control the neotank. Well, I have two votes too so I guess we'll just see what happens after I vig notscience. I stopped caring about this game a long time ago.

I don't know what the neotank does or if it has anything to do with my votes or my character. I never kept a test in place long enough because nati isn't exactly posting vote counts every page.

I'm threatening you with the full wrath of my neighborhood. Whether I live or not, they will get you lynched if notsci dies.

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I don't care about living until the end. My win condition is something different

So then you won't care if you're lynched today.

@Brian

, you owe me.

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I'd wager if you 3 vote together the neotank joins

I think we've voted together twice already.

orci? What do you think?

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ffery what do you think of ABR's vote on me

I was fucking right about him. :/

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Tell me why you're scumreading Ceph plz.

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You're not a vig.

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You're not a vig.

Well I have vig abilities.

obviously doesn't make you a vig.

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So this entire setup just got blown wide open because uh....


I think we have too many confirmed towns d2?

notsci is the real deal. look at the sample role pm. it's not a sample.

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So maybe I'm not wrong with my reads list? That would make me feel a lot better.

I wanted reasoning for your scumreads. Your townreads or not lynching these reads lined up almost perfectly with mine.

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So this entire setup just got blown wide open because uh....


I think we have too many confirmed towns d2?

notsci is the real deal. look at the sample role pm. it's not a sample.

No I'm aware but in case it wasn't abso-fucking-lutely obvious, I'm actually a mason?

You crumbed it pretty hard, yes.

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That was not obvious.

It was quite obvious. Those 169 reasons to think he's town.

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At least orc doesn't have to worry about me!

that's ok. I think he's completely occupied worrying about me.

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Does that surprise you, ffery? There is a reason I was going to blanket sheep you D1 after all.

It really wasn't scumreads either. It was more everyone here is pretty Town and I feel pretty strong about this so I'm okay with lynching any of these because I either don't have a read on them or I have a marginal scumread on them.

I raised my eyebrow at that, but it was day 2 where you really started to worry me. :/

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The game does seem kinda busted open.

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so in what world is ABR town right now?

He isn't.

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UNVOTE:

VOTE: ABR

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So i mean everyone can unvote etc.

We feeling scum supersaint or something here, or?

This reminded me of GiF's AA mini.

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I'm going to take a mafia break.

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I'm going to take a mafia break.

why aren't you celebrating you scumfuck are you anti-town again

I am celebrating.

Still taking a break.

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she's pretty fucking town imo lol

The way she responded to my softs were town as fuck

You've been my in-thread mason!

I have so many masons this game. I don't know what was wrong with

their

role pms.

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It's going to be a bear for me to get back into this game, I think. :/

Notsci do you have a Cabd read?

What do you think of orci's players of interest?

Bear with me on that one though

I know it's kinda vague but I'm kinda confident in it

But it's not related to his activity or anythng

see. first!

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Oh my god I totally missed that

Me and ffery are confirmed the best

pedit-

Read the sample PM

that is my exact role pm lol

I'm basically a bear vendor yes but its more like a friendly neighbor

haha I thought you were acknowledging my wave. I've been all smug about how smooth we were.

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What is your wincon?

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so I take it there's no way you can work with town and win.

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Says the person who tried to get me lynched after I already hammered lol

I'm the person who threatened to have your guts for garters if you kill notsci. get it straight.

Now I'm curious. Your posturing is belligerent and over the top, which looks like you're antitown.

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and killing notsci is necessary for that?

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If you're capable of winning with town, then prove, act, and say so, otherwise as far as I'm concerned, mara's replacement should target you for star removal every night until we lynch you

That's not fun. I'll level the playing field for scum a bit instead. I think fferlyt is town. notscience is definitely town. You guys are my nemesis in this game so I'll at least kill notty.

You prefer scum roles iirc.

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Sturm? What do you think, Cabd?

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You prefer scum roles iirc.

Anyways, how come you guys are all together? Is there a meet going on? Where?

Chicago has a mafia colony.

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I'm not from Chicago. cabd, mara, orci in the game. notsci, ceph, nati and I are being heavily recruited.

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I'm not from Chicago. cabd, mara, orci in the game. notsci, ceph, nati and I are being heavily recruited.

You're in Illinois, you mean?

No. Too close the the arctic circle for me. I'm in Florida right now. I live in California.

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Are you in the Chicago area ABR?

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I need 20 stars to win, which is quite a bit more. So I'm thinking just scum.

That would make him a scum player who benefits his team by getting lynched.

There are scum roles of that nature, but day 2 seems a little early for that sort of thing somehow.

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if i read the words "jester vig" in a nati post i will cut someone

I thought about that, but I couldn't make myself write it.

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I'm here ish. helping cousin move. my job is to wrangle their toddler.

I'm ok with mass claim.

abr who did you target?

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Recruit me :3

Also I need to know how many stars ffery has.

Also I am way too sleepy to post right now.

I have the number I expect to have. 4.

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Recruit me :3

Also I need to know how many stars ffery has.

Also I am way too sleepy to post right now.

I have the number I expect to have. 4.

I want to give you something but I need to know how important those stars are to you.

There are probably players who could use stars more than me at this point.

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Lynch ABR or flubber

I'm down for the latter. I wouldn't be surprised to see an Albert wagon, but the events at the end of Day 2 are weird enough that I'm extremely uncertain in my read there.

You think he lied about being 3rd party?

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I don't want to forget that Saki is playing this game.

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And your opinons of his post-hammer rolefishing?

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^^ abr

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Orcinus attacks Cheetory for easy logic on Lynx in Post 2552.

orcinus also flipped a table when I put up a vapid willing-to-lynch list that included lynx.

In his case, I am certain this is because he wanted to hunt bigger game.

Will think about your other posts of interest.

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#2391 reads differently to me.

Who are you replying to?

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And your opinons of his post-hammer rolefishing?

As opposed to whom? I remember a few claims, and only one of them was in response to Albert (after we'd already expressed a desire to lynch him). It could have just been him looking for a good target to 'vig' (or whatever you want to call it).

Like I said, the thing that bothers me the most is him claiming his wincon unprompted (which makes little sense to me regardless of whatever alignment he might have) and his claimed wincon resembling (but not matching) Honeybee's. It's like Honeybee-lite.

No, I think he was rolefishing.

Brian, I don't know what prior experience with ABR has you interpreting his play the way you are, but it's making very little sense to me.

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condolences, ABR. take care of yourself. go easy getting back to the grind if you can/need to.

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So why not shoot SSK because the Cephrir/orcinus/ffery is called something else now?

you're getting black hole and neo black hole confused I think.

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What do you think of no kill N1, ABR's play late D2, and Ceph's kill N2?

You think something about the combination of these three things. Once you get your answer, I'd like to know what you think.

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What do you think of no kill N1, ABR's play late D2, and Ceph's kill N2?

You think something about the combination of these three things. Once you get your answer, I'd like to know what you think.

Was this addressed at me, ffery?

yes

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So while we wait on that, ffery I don't think the Cephrir kill was bizarre in any fashion. I am of the belief that ABR was attempting to redirect town power away from Ceph, who Town'd pretty hard D1. There's a possibility that Lynx knew that Cephrir was a dayvig given the timing of everything. So ABR's play late D2 makes zero sense from a Town perspective given everything.

ok.

I thought ABR was rolefishing me pretty hard during twilight of day 2. If/when we mass claim you'll see why I thought that was funny.

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Konowa, I feel pretty damn confident orcinus is town.

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orcinus is probably the read I'm most waffly on at the moment due to a number of things. He's falling into the category of "hope he gets NKed/we finish the game before I need to attempt to read him" category.

ffery, thoughts on SSK?

muddled thoughts that I need to get straight, and I'm not sure when I'll get to this. Maybe later tonight. There are some things that are bothering me, but they're kinda paradoxical in some ways.

I'd like to know what Cabd's thinking about SSK, actually.

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notsci, who do you want to lynch?

How do we speed up the neighborhood claims?

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I want to lynch flubber or ABR

What are your thoughts about SMP?

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fery and i think smp to be town

Go into this given that we know Lynx is Scum and SMP's ctrl-f of Lynx. ffery could answer as well if she likes.

I thought SMP looked pretty town for his case on flubber. But there are a couple things about his ISO that trouble me some, and not just his weak sorta-defense of Lynx early on.

1149 looked a little role-fishy in retrospect]

2447 essentially asking what our neighborhood name was, pinged pretty fucking hard after seeing Lynx's role PM.

2528 kinda explained where he was coming from with that, but it still pings.

Right now I'm feeling data overload, and there's a lot of stuff I haven't fully processed and gotten square in my head. I'm not sold on SMP-town any more. I want NotSci's thoughts about him vs flubber.

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STD you've had a null-ish/scum-ish read of me for quite a while now, but you've never explained it or tried to figure me out via interactions.

That's the sort of thing that worries me in a player that I think is usually proactive.

Maybe I'm wrong about you usually being proactive?

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STD you've had a null-ish/scum-ish read of me for quite a while now, but you've never explained it or tried to figure me out via interactions.

That's the sort of thing that worries me in a player that I think is usually proactive.

Maybe I'm wrong about you usually being proactive?

Have you missed the parts in this thread where I've been needlessly and pitifully been whining about how busy my life is? I know it's not fair, I'm sure other people have it worse than I do. I'm at a point where I just cannot put the effort I normally do into games.

ok. my life has been horrendously crazy during this game (and for several months prior) so I can sympathize with not having time/energy/free mental capacity to play a normal game.

It seems like your read comes down to "was on a wagon I think has scum on it" with maybe a few flourishes about other stuff.

I don't see how anyone could look at that late-day-2 middle of the night dust up between me and orci and see anything other than town paranoia on his part. My part is probably more ambiguous, but ambiguity is my middle name, so we all get to deal with that.

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ok. my life has been horrendously crazy during this game (and for several months prior) so I can sympathize with not having time/energy/free mental capacity to play a normal game.

I apologize. my comment towards you was uncalled for. I do pride myself on being proactive and I took some offense to the tone of this:

Maybe I'm wrong about you usually being proactive?

when in reality I think I misread your intent.

I don't see how anyone could look at that late-day-2 middle of the night dust up between me and orci and see anything other than town paranoia on his part. My part is probably more ambiguous, but ambiguity is my middle name, so we all get to deal with that.

I'm reading orc as town though.

Yeah you did misread that, I think. I was wanting confirmation that my general impression is correct. Wasn't being snarky. My snarky posts are usually one-liners.

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brian, just out of curiosity is STD still a strong townread to you? Does Cabd agree? he hasn't really mentioned STD, I think.

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Yeah, I'm not really supportive of the two main wagons. ABR, I am getting a town read on. I just don't see in any way how he could be acting as scum and no one's explained it to me. Lynx/DedicatedScribe wagon seems like a policy lynch to me.

SMP on the other hand, I feel comfortable leaving my vote on for a bit.
VOTE: SMP

Hi.

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If you're serious, flubber, I want a full claim right now on the spot.

Also this.

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Yeah, I'm not really supportive of the two main wagons. ABR, I am getting a town read on. I just don't see in any way how he could be acting as scum and no one's explained it to me. Lynx/DedicatedScribe wagon seems like a policy lynch to me.

SMP on the other hand, I feel comfortable leaving my vote on for a bit.
VOTE: SMP

Hi.

Hi!

So, what are you thinking about this game?

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Just why your positive he's town. If you've explained it already sorry I don't recall this game is so long x.x

I had concerns before he picked it up some, though his reads were very close to dead-on with mine. I don't have concerns now. I think he's town.

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HAPPY SCUMDAY ORCI!!!

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Somebody unvote then.

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yeah.

VOTE: MafiaSSK

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He's not going to claim because he doesn't have a case on me. He's just trying to deflect attention off of one of his scum buddies.

You are pretty confident in Flubber-scum and MafiaSSK-scum, then? Or am I misinterpreting this?

@Flubber: How would your flip prove SMP scum, please?

He pokes his head in to say I'm scum for playing like shit then leaves and everyone is complacent with it. It has nothing to do with my pm.

This is your proof that I'm scum?

Do tell, what exactly have you done in this game that's been town or has helped the town's game at all?

See what I mean?

I see that your argument for why he's scum fits your own posting better than his.

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yep

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Meh. Sorry, Ffery. I just found out I might not be around this evening. Do you think he's likely to claim before someone quickhammers, given everyone's need for stars?

That's why I didn't want to put him at L-1.

I think he'll probably claim if he gets a chance. Cabd can probably recall some of his claims as scum as well as I can.

I'm going to be semi-AFK for the next few hours.

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so hawke is ssk

fascinating

He is?

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oh right.

hmm.

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Thanks Nati

My target was Ffery

There was no way in hell I was going to succeed so I just wanted them to NK ffery so I could become town.

I never received a message N1, I lied about it to try and pretend it was an amnesiac cop, i was going to come out with a guilty on ffery on the day that I could only have Blue Moon vote since i figured convincing 3 people to vote for a target would be easier than convincing a whole town.

...but then there was a scum messenger and I rode that for townie points instead.

I'm not sure what I would have done today, I couldn't think up another plan, probably would have just hoped for the best.

Guess I was off about Saki and Boo :/

That was going to be a tough wincon to fulfill in this game.

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I enjoyed the game, though all the paranoia about being spied on in our neighborhood made things a little crazy during the last game day/night.

The role was interesting and a lot of fun trying to figure out. With all the other strange stuff going on, I wasn't sure what events might have been caused by me.

Notsci, I got access to your neighborhood on day 2. I could have posted, but I was worried there might be scum in your hood.

It's kinda cool that the Bolt neighborhood start up sorted all the town out of the big neighborhood!

p-edit I don't think I got to pick a specific role?

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So Saki, you seem pretty invested in this game.

Since you're here, ffery. In case you didn't figure it out, this post was what made me Townread you so hard.

I wasn't sure what had contributed to your townread! This makes sense, though, I think.

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My play over the last 6 months has been a downward spiral.

I'm hopeful that the next game I play, I won't be phoning it in!

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Thanks! I really enjoyed playing with you as well. Quantity doesn't always equal quality, unfortunately, but I loved this player list and I definitely was putting what concentration I had into this game.

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Sorry I got so pissy, Varsoon.

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p-edit I don't think I got to pick a specific role?

Really? I thought Lash would have been a character you'd pick.

@Varsoon: Sorry I lynched you. But I'd like you to know I did use your wagon and interactions to help sort my reads.

Honeybee was talking about a night action I bought from her on day 3:

-[New CO]-x1-The player who buys this item will learn what COs are not present in the game, and may add one to the game of their same alignment. A new role without a vote will be created, and that player will have two roles. Costs 4 Stars

I may not have understood how this worked, though!

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p-edit I don't think I got to pick a specific role?

Really? I thought Lash would have been a character you'd pick.

@Varsoon: Sorry I lynched you. But I'd like you to know I did use your wagon and interactions to help sort my reads.

Lash was my first pick. I expected to get an inventor role. The dreaming god aspect was a surprise.

Honeybee was talking about a night action I bought from her on day 3:

-[New CO]-x1-The player who buys this item will learn what COs are not present in the game, and may add one to the game of their same alignment. A new role without a vote will be created, and that player will have two roles. Costs 4 Stars

I may not have understood how this worked, though!