Open 572: Nightless Vengeful Mayhem - Game Over

[droog]

basically
are you implying that

your view on shaddowez was

not consistent

which justifies you bitch-smurfing when i ask for a consistent read?

[droog]

Just, that I decided to randomly lie about this for no reason, and thus I am scum - is that the case or is there anything deeper to it?

if you really want me to keep proving to you that you're scum i will\

[droog]

Case A

in 1535 i say id use a vig shot on fink and slick
in 1573 you admit i have clear desires; "Why are your top scumreads my top townreads"
in 1597 you call me out as needing to express clear desires
in 1598 you put me in the 'wuss statements' group and suggest im scum for it

____________________________________

Case B

in 1618 i point out i did give "clear reads"
in 1620 you justify case A because i never gave "solid reads"
which is, as i said before, goalpost moving

_____________________________

Case C

in

1597-8 you imply that 1-2 scum out of 4/5 remaining players
this is the same as saying there are 2 scum out of all 5 remaining playres
in 1613 and 1618 i suggest you're keeping your options open

in 1620 you call this a misunderstanding or a lie
you do not explain how or why

________________________________________________________-

[Case D

in 1720 i note that everyone who wanted to lynch thor got lynched
in 1724 thor suggests that bert wanted to lynch me not thor
in 1727 i quote direct evidence that bert townread me and scumread thor


________________________________-

Case E
[/b
in 1741 thor suggests a me/shaddow team
in 1751 thor explains shaddow is scum because im scum
in 1771 thor says shaddow is skimscum
in1772 i ask thor for his shaddowez read
in 1773 thor starts bitch-smurfing because...???

_________________________________

after all this manipulation
in 1815 thor wants me to explain why any of this implies he is scum

so here's my little theory
scum lie and manipulate
town dont lie and dont manipulate
thor is lying and manipulating

or does anyone have evidence that town thor lies and manipulates?

[droog]

Case F

in 1815 thor asks for my 'deeper case'
in 1820 i provide one
in 1821 thor is unwilling to respond

[droog]

he will, however, ask me something bitch-smurfing
misleading
'wow you're stupid'
style question next time i throw him an easy ball

[droog]

speaking of

*in thor's world*

thor: "shaddowez and droog are scum!"
shaddowez: *crap he's onto us*
shaddowez: "vote thor"
shaddowez: *there, now that im buddying droog that'll erally convince them we're not buddies*

[droog]

seriously
why do other players
let you get away with crap like that

[droog]

speaking of

*in thor's world*

thor: "shaddowez and droog are scum!"
shaddowez: *crap he's onto us*
shaddowez: "vote thor"
shaddowez: *there, now that im buddying droog that'll erally convince them we're not buddies*

This is an actual thing Thor bieves
He calls it flail

Why is Thor allowed to get away
With not owning his opinions
Not responding to questions
And not answering cases
By calling them flair

[droog]

green waht do you think of the last
10
pages of m ve thor

[droog]

Spoiler:

Case A

in 1535 i say id use a vig shot on fink and slick
in 1573 you admit i have clear desires; "Why are your top scumreads my top townreads"
in 1597 you call me out as needing to express clear desires
in 1598 you put me in the 'wuss statements' group and suggest im scum for it

____________________________________

Case B

in 1618 i point out i did give "clear reads"
in 1620 you justify case A because i never gave "solid reads"
which is, as i said before, goalpost moving

_____________________________

Case C

in

1597-8 you imply that 1-2 scum out of 4/5 remaining players
this is the same as saying there are 2 scum out of all 5 remaining playres
in 1613 and 1618 i suggest you're keeping your options open

in 1620 you call this a misunderstanding or a lie
you do not explain how or why

________________________________________________________-

[Case D

in 1720 i note that everyone who wanted to lynch thor got lynched
in 1724 thor suggests that bert wanted to lynch me not thor
in 1727 i quote direct evidence that bert townread me and scumread thor


________________________________-

Case E
[/b
in 1741 thor suggests a me/shaddow team
in 1751 thor explains shaddow is scum because im scum
in 1771 thor says shaddow is skimscum
in1772 i ask thor for his shaddowez read
in 1773 thor starts bitch-smurfing because...???

_________________________________

after all this manipulation
in 1815 thor wants me to explain why any of this implies he is scum

so here's my little theory
scum lie and manipulate
town dont lie and dont manipulate
thor is lying and manipulating

or does anyone have evidence that town thor lies and manipulates?

what about this case

[droog]

- Case A and B are all part of the same case. If memory serves me correctly, your position on YYR/Fink has flipped to scum-town-scum-town-scum throughout the game. So Thor is not Objectively Wrong in his posts, and it certainly doesn't look like scum trying to mischaracterize your play in this game.

yyr/fink was my first scumread
and my most consistent

the only periods i considered town fink
were when i was convinced i was tunneling so deep into the slot
that i took a break to avoid tunnel bias

but anyways, i think he absolutely mischaracterized me
i said i wanted to vig shoot fink and slick ((your slot))
and 60 posts later he's putting me in the 'wuss statements group'

[droog]

I don't see what your problem is with Thor's position on shaddow.

he implied shaddow was a lurk read
i dont like it, but fine

he then implied shaddow was a scum read
i asked why
he gave me poe
when i ask again for his shaddow read
he starts bitch-smurfing

i dont mind that his read is inconsistent
i mind that he's acting like it's consistent

[droog]

They aren't mutually exclusive positions, they can be held simultaneously after one read develops after the other, and therefore they are not inconsistent.

we agree
except

shaddowez lurkscum and shaddowez poe could be entirely different reads
note that you're the one who has to explain this for thor
when thor is a pretty big boy who could have explained this himself

[droog]

Also, Thor was saying everyone was being a wuss about their reads/votes.

He wasn't really making a push specifically against you when he was saying that, was he?

I don't see why Thor-scum would purposefully mischaracterize your position if he wasn't going to use it as a part of a case against you (and he had already started saying you were second/third on his vote list at the end of yesterday game day for reasons apart from whether you were being a wuss or not).

this was one of my problems

however
there was an instance in 1597 where he singled me out for not having clear reads
right after an argument we had that included my reads being different from his

i can think of a perfectly clear motive for thor:
by establishing himself as the only one with clear statements
he is quite directly calling himself the most pro-town player

[droog]

something to consider in this game
rn we have 1 mislynch; tomorrow's lylo

if we lynch scum, there's no nightkill
meaning we actually gain a kill

lynch scum today, it's 1-4

lynch town today, its 2-3
lynch scum tomorrow, it's 1-3

[droog]

I'm still around

[droog]

hey riddles!
glad it's you rebooting if it's anyone

Shaddow is a total lurkfest.
Droog is a misrep machine.
People find me scummy because I've voted for people that said they suspected me, even though I don't always do it and also have other reasons stated to vote them, and it ignores how Droog and Shaddow both did this to me when I cited them as the scumteam.
People scumread you for, as far as I can tell, town reading me.

Have fun with that.

whine more please

riddle, i was deep onto your slot all game
read some of the arguments between me and fink;
wasnt my best arguing but i think there are several places fink plain ignored

((for instance, fink alleges a philamon lynch was not possible.
philamon disagrees.
fink says 4 players, me included, would not vote philamon
philamon quotes me saying otherwise
fink does not reply))

i have moved onto thor because, among other things
he accused me of not having clear reads to push a scum read on me
right after an argument about my reads
he claims that my reads have shifted too much to be clear

i was also scumreading the dys->slick->green slot
mainly because slick seemed to buddy thor/fink
and seemed to have not read the thread as well as he presented having
((green, though, looks better))

ive been waiting to reevaluate my fink read
and fink didnt show up
sooooo

town read on phil->arcangel
no special read on shaddowez

who, by thor's telling, is my scumbuddy
because...?

thanks for subbing!

[droog]

yeah riddle, but arc could have hammered me but didnt
when the game was most inactive and nobody would have faulted her
she didnt hammer me
that goes a long way in my eyes

[droog]

no

i realized that, unlike normal mafia games
we get rewarded with an extra mislynch when we lynch scum here

[droog]

I can't really defend your case against Fink, GC. I hope you realise that. I've no idea why Fink did what he did -- probably just newbie/confused town by the looks of things.

i know you cant defend fink, but i want your impressions
let's meet halfway and call purported distortions 'mistakes'

do fink's mistakes look as bad to you as they do to me?
i know asking 'what would your impression be if you werent in that slot be' is a horribly loaded question
but the more you try the better we can get a read on you
when the majority of content will be stuff you 'cant really defend'

[droog]

to me they look objectively bad
fink arguing otherwise looked like scum lying
you conceeding that looks honest to me
honest looks town

[droog]

@crayon: does riddle voting thor look like a bus?

[droog]

@arcangel

you unvoted earlier on thor and now have the option of hammering
what are you going to do with your power?

dont tell me you unvoted to avoid a quickhammer
and, instead of quickhammering, wont have anything to say

[droog]

@crayon: does riddle voting thor look like a bus?

This is a difficult question.

I can see how it could be: Riddle replaced in, and his (hypo) scumbuddy Thor is at L-2 and is the most popular lynch.

At the same time,

everyone

who has replaced into this game has thought Thor is Thor-scum, to varying degrees. Myself included. That's a weird fucking track record, even taking into consider Thor's "but I'm Thor!" defense. So its a pretty big double standard to fault Riddle for having the same (at least initial) reaction to Thor as all other replacees, so I don't think I can personally count it against him. (Plus it assumes that Thor is Thor-scum, which would really suggest a Thor lynch first and foremost.)

Rephrasing
You think riddle's scum
You think thor's scum
Do you think they're scum together?

[droog]

Everyone was being replaced when as could have hammered
Though you're right her recent posts look bad
I'm partial to the Phil slot
He was with me against fink

Green, what do you make of you being a good Thor partner
Look at where slick voted me right after I voted Thor
And showed an incomplete reading
For what I mean

[droog]

Ha!

[droog]

Why as? Did I miss something?

[droog]

Gimme a reason first

[droog]

Eh I want another lynch
Seeing that 7 after so long is glorious

VOTE: arcangel

After this I want riddle > slick > shaddow

[droog]

I want to lynch between you two

[droog]

i admit that fink slot scum appeals to my ego
riddle, try looking into the slick spots
thats where i think the bulk of the evidence there is

[droog]

i am in no position to hammer just yet
i want to enjoy a nice reread

spend some time reflecting
and maybe ask questions

nice, tight endgames like this are the best time to get to know everyone

[droog]

riddleton, how long have you been playnig mafia

[droog]

one of you is lying
i need to know what my liar is like

[droog]

who says im hammering you next?

[droog]

im going to slow this down nice and properly
and do a fucking investigation
instead of rushing off to the next great-looking lynch

aa was my top townread and we busted a nut all over that
so im going to cool everyone's shorts and sift things though

[droog]

green, how long have you been playing mafia?

[droog]

me too
im going to start a reread
and will be putting together a questionnaire

made more difficult by 2 of you not existing most of the game

[droog]

This is where I scumread Dys, townread YYR, and say I would townread Thor if I didn't know better.

johnny flipped scum day 1
thor -> scum
yyr -> fink -> riddleton
dys -> slick -> green crayon

what are the odds 2/3 johnny's day 1 reads were on his partners?

[droog]

VC 2.04

Blair (0)-

Phillammon (0)-

Shaddowez (0)-

Thor665 (0)-

droog (0)-

YYR (0)-

acryon (0)-

Dyslexicon (0)-

wgeurts (6)-

droog, YYR, Thor665, Blair, Shaddowez, Phillammon

Lynched

Fokem (0)-

Not Voting (4)-

acryon, Dyslexicon, wgeurts, Fokem

With

10

alive, it takes

6

to lynch.

Deadline is in

(expired on 2014-10-10 20:00:00)

- Oct 9th 19:00 GMT

thor -> scum
yyr -> fink -> riddleton
shaddowez

what are the odds 2 scum weer on the wgeurts wagon?
((that was the wagon that power lynched after wgeurts quickhammered))

[droog]

is it just me or do your eyes glaze over when you get to the 665 in thor665

[droog]

my last questions
were not rhetorical guys

[droog]

riddle had a tldr?

[droog]

this is something i didnt understand day 7
why did riddle get thor?

[droog]

im watching and rereading
thinking i might want to switch to green

[droog]

Would've sworn I'd posted just recently
Will have some questions up in a few hours

[droog]

OK, so likely scumteam is thor + arcangel. I'll post more in a bit!

at what point were you when you made this post?

[droog]

OK so as I've said before, scumteam is most definitely thor + AA9. Can't be anyone else. Let's do this.

VOTE: Thor

L-1.

green, does this look like a bus to you?

[droog]

tl;dr:

If thor's scum, lynch AA9 easy GG.

If thor's town, don't worry about shadow if he's lurker scum, catch the other scum first.

why would town thor not automatically imply scum aa?

[droog]

Yep, I agree. If it's not AA9, next most likely choice is shadow

what changed?

[droog]

I've repeatedly stated that Thor strikes me as someone who wouldn't want to bus a scum buddy unless absolutely necessary.

where else did you say this?

[droog]

Have read up through Day 2 so far.

Would vote Thor atm.

why so early?

[droog]

Right. You have gone back and forth on YYR/Fink. And, yes, the first thing you said this game day was that you would vig YYR/Fink. That doesn't change the fact that you have previously gone back and forth on YYR/Fink.

Does it mean that you are a complete wuss about your reads? I personally wouldn't agree with that statement, but it also doesn't mean that Thor was so wrong that he was lying about your position.

Also, Thor was saying everyone was being a wuss about their reads/votes. He wasn't really making a push specifically against you when he was saying that, was he? I don't see why Thor-scum would purposefully mischaracterize your position if he wasn't going to use it as a part of a case against you (and he had already started saying you were second/third on his vote list at the end of yesterday game day for reasons apart from whether you were being a wuss or not).

-----

Going from lurk scumread to POE buddy scumread is not inconsistent, because in the time between those two reads Thor said he read you as scum. What's weird is not that you're taking issue with his POE analysis, but that for some reason you think that reading shaddow as being a lurkscum - independent of any other player's alignment - is mutually exclusive with reading shaddow as being a POE scumbuddy

after

deciding that another player (you) is scum.

They aren't mutually exclusive positions, they can be held simultaneously after one read develops after the other, and therefore they are not inconsistent.

how much of this do you still agree with?

[droog]

Complete sheep, because Riddle earned it.

this still doesnt sit right with me

[droog]

shaddow explain why i shouldnt lynch you for lurking

[droog]

OK, so likely scumteam is thor + arcangel. I'll post more in a bit!

at what point were you when you made this post?

What?

in your reread, since you hadnt finished when you gave that read

[droog]

I'm still reading. On page 31.

OK, so likely scumteam is thor + arcangel. I'll post more in a bit!

#1880 from AA9 is 'I'll bus my buddy... oh nevermind!'

eh, fair enough

[droog]

This is a peculiar unvote.

I don't understand your line of thought behind the bolded.

droog wouldn't want to be the hammer? Why not?

Presumably droog isn't voting because he doesn't want a lynch yet. He said as much in Post 2013 and Post 2020. If he was to vote either Riddle or myself, that would put us at L-1. And then you'd just hammer, thereby accomplishing exactly what droog doesn't want yet: a lynch. How does your unvote encourage droog's vote in this situation?

You make it sound like I'm just going to hammer regardless of where he places his vote. It is possible that my idea of where to place my vote will change. Even if it didn't, and droog places his vote on Riddle, I would state intent, giving droog (or you, technically) time to unvote if either of you still didn't want the lynch at the time.

As for why I think droog doesn't want to be the hammer, I don't know. It was just one possibility that went through my head at the time, and the one that made it into my post.

Even though he made it clear he didn't want to hammer yet, he didn't seem to be doing much "investigating" either. Now that he's posted more tonight, it looks like he's actually still playing, not just doing nothing.

shaddow explain why i shouldnt lynch you for lurking

Explain how I'm lurking based on my posting pattern, which has been brought up several times now, and I'll consider this.

When you do come online, it's brief
When summoned you appear late
When posting you say little

Why is it my job to prove you're lurking

Here's what I'm thinking
Riddle/slick has our highest chance of scum
But there is a chance you're it
And I can't compare you nearly as well
As I can trawl through those two slots

Thor did vote you yes
But what are the odds it was a bus?
If you don't have an argument for your township
That doesn't rely on Thors vote
I can't aha it wasn't a bus

[droog]

if riddle and green are both on, id like to switch to shaddow
if not, ill hammer

[droog]

I want shadow because he's a lurker
If this lunch fails I'll decide between him and one of you
I will have almost nothing to work with

That neither of you wants to lynch him
Is surprising
That's be end of game for scum

[droog]

I am here to hammer. I will hammer in 30 minutes
Unless someone switched with me

[droog]

I want shaddow

[droog]

That's exactly what's wrong
Scum would only not shaddoif they e given up

[droog]

Tomorrow you're going to have to argue shadow anyways

[droog]

And there will be nothing to look at
Do you trust thor's not bussing?
That's the only info we can go on

And I for one am not not sure
That were just passengers Thor is driving off the cliffg

[droog]

I don't get there flips
If I hammer it's on you

[droog]

Wtf when did shadow Unvote
I can't even hammer
There's no point in rishing

[droog]

I would lunch you over gc
Mostly because of fink
You strike me as genuine

[droog]

Or we could get shadow today

[droog]

Why isn't he scum

[droog]

If I lynched gc today
You'd need to lynh shadow tomorrow

So how sure ate you it's gc

[droog]

I am going to vote Riddleton

Of you're scum feel free to self vote
Of your town don't hammer

[droog]

shaddow if you hammer without reporting in first
I will lynh you tomorrow no matter what

I am watching this thread
Do not worry about deadline

VOTE: riddleton

[droog]

Sorry nm > :

[droog]

VOTE: shaddow

Sheep me

[droog]

No comment green?

[droog]

Shaddow is a big mystery
He is a nonentity or a lurker whatever you call it

If I lynh wrong today it is shaddow vs he other
Guy

Which will not be an interesting debate at all
And I'm. Not certain Thor wouldn't bus
See the way shaddow voted back? (Will find when on comp)

I'm not so confident in shaddow that I want him near lylo

[droog]

That's a longer topic I will touch later

[droog]

Droog, why me over GC?

everything fink did made me scumread fink
fink and thor were like a mutt and jeff routine
"i think acryon is scummy"
"i dont. oh wait, acryon has a wagon, acryon is scummy."

"lets lynch bob."
"lets not. oh wait, bob's getting lynched, i wanna drive"

[droog]

As a spoiler, I'll vote thor once I'm finished this huge gigantic wall I'm working on.

there never was a gigantic wall

[droog]

I can't really defend your case against Fink, GC. I hope you realise that. I've no idea why Fink did what he did -- probably just newbie/confused town by the looks of things.

this does not fit my impression of fink
please justify fink as confused town / newb

[droog]

I didn't lead you astray with texcat in Open 574, droog.

[droog]

As a spoiler, I'll vote thor once I'm finished this huge gigantic wall I'm working on.

there never was a gigantic wall

Blame my laziness. I had it planned but never finished it. It was a VCA post which pointed to Thor and AA9 being scum

do you still have it?

[droog]

I can't really defend your case against Fink, GC. I hope you realise that. I've no idea why Fink did what he did -- probably just newbie/confused town by the looks of things.

this does not fit my impression of fink
please justify fink as confused town / newb

Why?

i have 0 evidence fink was a noob
fink seemed very familiar with how to play and lie and lynch

i do not suspect confused town
with fink vs. me everyone assumed i was the confused town
no one else suspected fink confused town

so if fink was confused town
i woudl like some explanaiton as to how

[droog]

when i tried to submit that last one i got a weird error
'No multiposts'

what shite

[droog]

also see again why i want shaddow
he is starting to suspect me because i suspect him

his argument is easily defeated:
if i was scum i would lynch riddle as presented to me
and then get into lylo trusted with hammer

[droog]

Yeah, they look bad. I awknowledge that. But that's -- again -- not my play so I can't write an inspired defense of why Fink did XYZ at any given time. I don't understand what my comments about Fink's play will add to the game as it stands.

I don't really care about defending Fink's play or trying to justify it, droog. Logically, if my slot is scum, my posts & actions will be scummy as well as Fink's. The fact that has not been found to much degree yet means my slot is town. I welcome you to try and make a case based on

my

actions, and not that of my predecessors whom I can't defend.

I am not asking you to defend fink
I am asking for explanation on "fink is newb/confused"

[droog]

VOTE: riddleton

[droog]

there i did it

[droog]

[droog]

cross.

[droog]

talk to me green
what went wrong

[droog]

man ive been on that slot so long
even though my scumread faded
i wanted it to be scum so badly

[droog]

i know you wont have a shaddow 'case'
but whats your rationalization
thor bussing him
him voting thor

whats your take

[droog]

Waiting for shaddow

[droog]

Dammit don't drop in lylo

[droog]

my plan to get everyone replaced is almost complete
its just you and me nm
together forever

[droog]

i want to hear a defence

[droog]

I'm still pondering.

[droog]

if you guys are both sure im town
you're sure the other's scum

...
where's the fire?

[droog]

i dont really have anything i want to ask

im thinking the last scum is green

there's a general lact of conviction
in a situation where the townie must be fired up
so the townie is inactive

[droog]

"ive put so much work into this scumgame
why arent you letting me win yet"

[droog]

over half of your quoted posts are one liners
which doesnt indicate town or scum

but does not suggest you're being real and genuine any more than it doesnt

[droog]

He got into the thread, saw that I had voted him, so voted me back with a weak case.

he would have to
its lylo and im the 'clear'

[droog]

"When you do come online, it's brief "

why did you strike this one out?

[droog]

YOU said I was being inactive, as if that was indicative of me being bored scum (or whatever).

no, i said you werent fired up

[droog]

are you fucking implying i cant fake emotional as shit one liners too

(not angry proving my point))

[droog]

it is still much easier for me to believe
that thor was buddying you
than bussing shaddow

[droog]

whatever the equivalent is then

[droog]

my point is thor was 'buddying'* you
*whatever the scum equivalent is

i.e. thor was treating you easily because he was scum with you
you quoted exactly the posts i had in mind
convince me it's not scum talking to scum motivation

[droog]

so you're saying thor was bussing the otehr scum
with no benefit?

[droog]

How in the world are you even reading that from what I posted?

apologies i hadnt read the whole thing when i got dragged away

[droog]

so whatever way i look at it
3 scum were on the day 1 wagon
ewwww

[droog]

something screwy is going on here

either on day 3
thor bussed dys -> green
or shaddow and thor lined up
for the third time in as many phases

[droog]

Reads list, as promised.

acryon

- Town. He made a strong entrance after the D1 lynch was already over. He's been asking questions and pushing for answers, and isn't backing down on his own stances just because people are questioning them.

bins

- Not enough info as she just replaced in, though it already looks like she's starting to fluff post. Haven't seen anything at all from this slot yet, so I'll be keeping an eye here.

Blair/Thor

. I don't usually do people together in my reads list, but almost feel I have to for this one. I'm null/town on both of them. They've both been very active, though Thor moreso with more people than Blair. They're both pushing their own stances, and it seems to be more of a personality and linguistic argument than anything substantive to either being scum. It is difficult to read through the argument to much of anything else, so it is possible one of them is scum trying to obfuscate anything useful in the game, but I don't think so at this point.

droog

- Leaning town. I didn't like him in the beginning, especially with the vote count/placement issue. However, he's definitely been providing for the game since then, and genuinely scumhunting. Also, it's be an interesting gambit to outright push for a possible mislynch just for policy.

Dys

- Scum. It could be how she plays, but she seems to throw some sort of emotion into most of her posts...humor, outrage (feigned or not), etc. It's not scummy in and of itself, but to me it slightly distracts from the rest of her post. It's not quite AtE, but it strikes me as odd. She's asking a lot of shallow questions, and most of her replies seem like redirects or brush-offs. As I said in my previous post, there's a lot of words, but not a lot of content.

Phil

- Town. He's been offering explanations and answering everything directed at him. He's also been giving town info about his thought processes, while scum are often likely to just say what they're thinking with no good reason.

YYR

- Leaning scum. As explained in my previous post, his initial hop onto Cheetory was based off of a very weak case. He was pushing to find out whether Cheetory was seeing Johnny as scum or town, and the fact that Johnny flipped scum raised my hackles quite a bit on this one.

I don't like voting a slot that has an incoming replacement, so I'll vote for my other scum read at the moment.

VOTE: Dys

very interesting

[droog]

Basically I have few strong stances on anyone. I haven't ruled anyone out yet. This will need to be fixed.

This actually sums up Dyx's wall.

I have actually seen players post more to say even less, but not often.
There were about two actual points in that whole thing.

If you want scum games click on my topics list and pick and pluck away - I have a ton of them.
I will admit that I have a ard time believing you're actually going to meta me by reading other games though - as you can barely manage this one.

Unvote: Blair
Vote: Dyslexicon

!!!!!!

[droog]

either one of two things happened:

scum (thor/shaddow) hard-buddied each other for a very long time
and then distanced each other

or thor has been bussing dyx almost the entire game

[droog]

Vote: Acronym

If we get a flip sooner rather than later I am in favor.

Unless I'm counting wrong (and I really hope I'm not), Acryon has 3 votes on him, which puts him at L-2.

VOTE: acryon

That makes it L-1. Please don't hammer him until he's come back from his V/LA and has time to respond to the most recent posts.

[droog]

VOTE: shaddow[/v

[droog]

Ugh
Now my resolution's all gone
Will reexamine after the drive home

[droog]

i gave shaddow a chance to post
VOTE: shaddowez

[droog]

its over now
sorry it took so long nm
lylo always puts me in a tough spot

[droog]

Thank goodness

[droog]

Thanks again not mafia
Really want to see this scum PT

[droog]

i think the big turning point was AA not hammering me
which let people look at the thor case

if we had taken that and not lynched AA after
we would have saved all this lylo drama

[droog]

Tbh I didn't want to consider Thor
At all
Until it was absolutely necessary

I really want to see the scum PT
To see what was planned out
I'm convinced no matter what Thor says
That the "droog hasn't given clear reads"
Was a slip

[droog]

This setup was frustrating
Dragged on forever
No scum kills was boring

Easily the most intense game I've played in years
Would play this setup over and over again

[droog]

Really well-played Droog. Even though it took you a while, you really picked up your game in the last half of the game and managed to get players to rally behind you for the most part.
Was sad/glad my quickwagon on D1 was all of the scum. I was pretty bummed at first that I died in the first six hours of my first mafia game here on mafiascum.
Thor was disgusting in the best kind of way all game. Super impressed by how hard he wrecked town even without nightkills. I jokingly thought that it might have been better for town if I'd shot him instead of Johnny on D1

Riddleton vs GC was frustrating to watch because I thought we might lose because of it. Both of them were really good players beyond their tunneling on each other though.

thanks
though your accuracy was better than mine this game

i thought it was odd all three scum
ended up on your wagon
if it hadnt been for shaddow and thor
consistently voting together

i may have believed the bussing more