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[Pine]

But the fire burns them all away

[Pine]

Forest creatures are civilized and cultivate the stoopid and barbaric humans as food. Humans have been infected with an odd Mad Food disease that makes them think they have rights, and are now poking one another with sharp sticks to find the real people among them, threatening the food supply

[Pine]

Stalker

[Pine]

Vote farside

Posting obscenity

OBVSCUM GO GO GO

[Pine]

Awwwww

ABRscum

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Vote ABR

</3

[Pine]

He's being all conciliatory and diplomatic and...

nice

ABR who gives a shit what people think of us, he's scum

[Pine]

That was probably one of my favorite games to ever read.
This is probably the most I've seen ABR gush. Ever. It's kind of offputting.

I know, right? It's like...is he getting ready to ask to borrow money or something?

[Pine]

I've never found farside to be abrasive. Forceful when convinced, maybe, but not unpleasant. I have always enjoyed playing with her, alignment irrelevant. This is pretty par for the course so far

[Pine]

pirate hydra looks somewhat like self-justified town.

Unvote, vote Pine

[Pine]

Pine, do you actually have any basis for the idea that ABR is nice when he's scum, or is it more like "unusual ABR, so scum"?

Hmm, well, I haven't played with ABRscum in a long time. However, I'm familiar with his Town MO, in which he don't give no fucks about what people think, he makes bold attacks, votes erratically to get reactions, and acts disdainful towards pretty much everyone. This ain't it.

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Nope

[Pine]

You'll have to pry my 2014 from my cold, dead fingers

[Pine]

This game has been pretty lame so far

Claim

: Suicidal 2-shot day cop

ABR is scum.

Haven't used my second shot

Go

[Pine]

You're pretty much required to assume so. Better than just giving up

[Pine]

Mine is better

Y u gotta b scum bro

PE: Let's make it exciting and not clarify. Or maybe I should use my second day cop on you

[Pine]

You scum too, Iec?

#effective day cop

[Pine]

Yup. Moar posts plz

[Pine]

No fun Andrius

Yeah, not a day cop. Not suicidal either.

The tweaky reactions from Iec are curiously forced

[Pine]

No fun Andrius

This was hypnotizing

Yeah obvious lolgambit was obvious

I'm actually an Innocent Child, but Shadowmod wants me to keep it hush hush

[Pine]

Would you believe death miller?

[Pine]

Unvote
Vote Iecerint

So you're only probably Town? Gotcha

[Pine]

Nah. I'm shiny

[Pine]

Iecerint

Do not condescend to me

You don't know me any better than I know you

I don't really do silly for silly's sake

I do it to see how you react

Your reactions were awkward and forced, and you're trying to mandate how people interpret your reactions

No, I don't think I will let you lead me by the nose, thank you

[Pine]

See, that's the problem. You keep thinking I voted you for motivations that aren't correct. I actually had to go back to see what you were talking about regarding Who

My reasoning is my own. I feel your actions in response to me getting bored were forced, and your recent actions trying to dictate how it's interpreted have been scummy

[Pine]

Hmm. Very busy couple of days. I've worked 43 of the last 48 hours. Delicious overtime

I'm still paranoid about you and Pine being scum. It's a recurring theme in my games to always be backstabbed by the ones I want to trust.

ABR

Listen very carefully

The instinct to trust me here is a good one

You have my meta-word that I'm Town

However, All is Who is also Town

You need to just simply, plain, straight trust me

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Who, listen up

You need to trust me

Forget what I said about ABR before. He must've just been dicking around, maybe he actually had a soft moment or whatever

This recent dog with a bone attitude is ABR Town

The drama between you two has let scum slide entirely under the radar

Back off of one another

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There's an element of historical votes to it. Crossed out names are people who used to be on that wagon

[Pine]

Lots of little things don't add up. It's half gut

The only really solid thing is his weird and forced reaction to my lolgambiting

[Pine]

It's nonspecific. It feels rushed, no genuine, like he's trying to think in circles. Like he's trying to solve the WIFOM of "how seriously do I have to take this to look Town"

[Pine]

Don't care about recent posts. Being scum is about maintaining an act. Being Town is about noticing when they can't remember their lines

Remember, most scum look Town most of the time. For a veteran like Iecy that's doubly true

[Pine]

Who would you lynch besides Andrius?

Who? Who. That's who.

ABR

No

I thought we talked about this

I'd hate to be lynched by my townreads...

Didn't buy into the FourTrouble case until now. This woe is me act can eat rope

I like Gilgamesh for town btw.

Agreed 100%

Using logic, sorting reads, orderly thought process

Also, is apparently a king

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Sigh

I need to fill this game's meds. Lurker lynches are uninformative. Don't abandon actual scumreads for them

Unvote
Vote FourTrouble

[Pine]

Pine vote and reasoning is crap too.

Disagree

[Pine]

Agreed

[Pine]

Nope

Can prove it

Won't on D1

[Pine]

The people who don't want to lynch 4Trouble need to produce a viable alternate or shut the fuck up and fall in line

[Pine]

Who is Town

Shut the fuck up

[Pine]

Waiting for a claim from 4Trouble

His controlled-panic posting pattern looks like scum that is dead to rights, but might be able to weasel out at deadline if they work hard enough

The logic of mislynches are bad->Town should fight like hell for a no lynch on D1 doesn't wash for me. Town that weasels out of being mislynched will be the topic of debate D2 if they force a no lynch, and they'll effectively screw Town out of two shots instead of one

PE Shut up, Southern Gothic. Bad attacks on scum are worse than staying quiet. Gilgamesh's reads are fine, and contain depth. Undercutting 4Trouble for saying stuff that isn't false only helps him play the victim

[Pine]

VOTE: Who

Pine you better check FourTrouble. He looks town to me. We can verify you and FT at the same time.

I'm willing to listen on this. I just double checked what 4T said, and he didn't actually argue for a mislynch over himself. My bad. I still have some concerns about 4T, but am willing to

All is Who is definitely Town. I will stake my entire reputation on this fact. They dropped a no-fail 100% Town tell that I decline to elaborate on. We are not lynching them under any circumstances. Drop it.

Other than that, I could accept Iecy or Andrius, though not nearly with the degree of happiness as the aborted 4T wagon

Very concerned that we will hit deadline, so let's get on this

[Pine]

Despite his scummy start, ABR has strapped on his big boy Townie panties of late

Gilgamesh needs to be vetted further, but right now, the king is Town

Farside makes me feel uneasy, but I don't see a concrete case on her. She's good as scum, and needs more rope to hang herself

Victor is a lazy, lazy lynch

Jury's out on Southern Gothic

[Pine]

Right now, Who is the only other option, so if you have a 100% town-tell, this might be the time to explain.

No

And it's not an "I think maybe" 100%, I'm totally positive

Let's talk options

My crystal ball is saying Andrius. No, I don't have a solid case, at this point I'm reduced to moderately strong pure-gut reads. Anyone vigorously object?

Unvote
Vote Andrius

[Pine]

Not lynching Gilgamesh.

Stay on topic

[Pine]

I do not like an FT lynch until Pine cops him. If Pine gets a guilty, I will move. He's a day cop so I don't see why a result has not occurred.

The fuck?

That was an "I'm bored" claim, with a side order of "let's see who gets nervous"

Titus Town for being a moron

[Pine]

That was douchier than intended, Titus. Disdain withdrawn

[Pine]

Disregard my Town pronouncement on Titus last page. I must've been tired. Counter push to defeat the dissolution of the 4T wagon looks hella scumtastic on reread

Town

(In order of strong->weak)
All is Who
ABR
...
Gilgamesh
Southern Gothic (This is a crystal ball read, all rights to reverse on it reserved)

Null

Nacho
Victor

Scummy

Titus
Iecerint
Andrius

Special

Farside - too good. I have a hard time reading her, as she's great as scum. There tends to be little difference between Farscum and Fartown to my reading. Need additional analysis
Peregrine V - Dependent on 4T's flip. He threw out a bare Unvote from 4T at the end. A 4T Townflip clears Peregrine, because why would he jump off an impending mislynch and not go for a different one? He could just stay quiet and let it happen. A scumflip from 4T means nothing, it could be Town!PV abandoning a souring wagon or it could just as easily be scum!PV quietly dropping a bus

[Pine]

Clever

[Pine]

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A: Southern Gothic (pirate mollie + telltaleheart hydra)
D: All is Who (Who + Jingle hydra)
K: PeregrineV
Y: Gilgamesh King Of Heroes Flames682
B: farside22
C: Andrius
S: VictorDeAngelo
O: Albert B. Rampage
P: Iecerint
M: Nachomamma8
Q: Pine
L: Titus Konowa
G: FourTrouble

Last letter of my flip was my target

[Pine]

It isn't

[Pine]

I'd really like a quick poll on scumreads and Townreads. Peoples' top two or three of each, please. If you've posted more detailed lists recently, I can read those

Feel free to leave 4T off of those lists

[Pine]

Curious

Articulate your aversion to stating Townreads

[Pine]

Seriously, Titus. His very next post is a "never mind, I got it" post

Read the thread

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I've done a reread,and no longer have a hardon to lynch Andy or Iec. They're okay in my book now. Farside looks worse, as does Titus

Who, ABR, Andrius, Iecerint, and myself are not acceptable lynches today

Titus and Farside are my biggest hunches now

VOTE: Farside

[Pine]

No

ABR is Town

Farside or Titus

[Pine]

Hmm. Good question. Forcefully requesting

[Pine]

I'm not a cop. I'm just unusually on my Towngame this game

[Pine]

VOTE: Southern Gothic

That doesn't look like a real claim. They're accurate in that I didn't go anywhere, so that's a scum tracker

[Pine]

@Iecerint: Like I said, I did a hefty reread

[Pine]

Hmm. Not @Iec, @SG

[Pine]

Victor dodging the question about Southern Gothic sounds like a scumbuddy waffling when they're not sure if their buddy is a sinking ship

[Pine]

Southern Gothic / Farside / Victor

In descending order of certainty

[Pine]

Avoiding and ignoring are two different things. I was doing the latter.

As you're so insistent:

You are scum aren't you. - No. As I said, I can prove that I'm Town, but decline to do so at this stage
A scum read out of the blue with no reason. - Nervous? It wasn't without development, and it wasn't without reason. At no point have you ever been better than null in my book, and the more you try to throw us off a productive track, the scummier you look
Sounds like your scum game. - No, it doesn't. You know my scumgame well enough that this statement is bizarre
Why no mention of victor who voted for four - What's your point? The Four wagon wasn't what I was basing my reads on
Also why pine do you want to know town reads from players when talking about targets? - I have my reasons, kindly stop rolefishing

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Formatting on that sucks, my bad

[Pine]

So basically pine gives no reason for anything and he is role fishing to find out players town reads.
Someone named Nacho needs to explain why Pune is not scum this game, because as town pine explains more.

Asking for Townreads is not rolefishing, it's read fishing. You know, like a pro-Town player would do

Asking why someone wants Townreads, on the other hand, IS rolefishing

I've explained what I feel needs explaining. If you think it insufficient, drop a vote my way instead of being passive aggressive

[Pine]

Why is that, Nacho?

[Pine]

Because I see literally nothing Town coming from her

[Pine]

What targets?

[Pine]

Potentional targets to role leak.

That is NOT what that target list business was about. The purpose of that was so that, after a Town flip, you could see who I targeted. That's an enormous misrep, if you're trying to portray it otherwise

Nacho, I'm waiting to hear why the Farside read is "terrible"

[Pine]

Potentional targets to role leak.

That is NOT what that target list business was about. The purpose of that was so that, after a Town flip, you could see who I targeted. That's an enormous misrep, if you're trying to portray it otherwise

Nacho, I'm waiting to hear why the Farside read is "terrible"

It also gives scum info.
You are not that dumb.

It doesn't give anyone ANY info. You heard Southern Gothic. I didn't go anywhere. So exactly what information was I giving scum, except to participate in the shielding of actual PR actions?

It's misdirection aimed at scum, not at Town.

Nacho: don't say shit to pine till he explain the supposed scum read he has

I've explained all I care to. You're really hard to read, and it's taken a full day phase for me to develop a weak gut scumread on you. I've said this several times.

Your reaction to my scumread, however, reeks of fake outrage, and your every post makes me more comfortable with it. Additionally, Town!Farside would have been curious about my assertion that I can prove that I'm Town, and pursued it instead of ignoring at pushing an entirely reactive scum case against me.

Add to that your efforts to disrupt pro-Town information sharing like Townreads and potential PR targetlists, and it's a very suspicious pattern

[Pine]

That's not even mentioning the absolute shit amount of scumhunting I've seen coming from Farside this game

[Pine]

"My bullshit case on 4T?" You mean the one I back pedaled on and pushed a different lynch? Is that the best example you've got? You went with the Who wagon, which was always bullshit. Today you're voting Andy (without explanation) instead of your vote from yesterday while pushing an OMGUS case on me

[Pine]

C Southern Gothic (pirate mollie + telltaleheart hydra)
D All is Who (Who + Jingle hydra)
J PeregrineV
B Gilgamesh King Of Heroes Flames682
I farside22
L: Andrius
R VictorDeAngelo
F Albert B. Rampage
M Iecerint
T Nachomamma8
S Pine
H Titus Konowa
K FourTrouble

The first letter, second word of my flavor name given a flip will correspond to my target, should I choose to target anyone.

Not to mention, you did it too. So clearly, you didn't misunderstand the purpose, or think it was giving scum information they could use against us.

The Townie way to object was to refuse to do it, like Who did

[Pine]

I changed my read on Andy for a very good reason that I don't feel like sharing

[Pine]

Pine, are you a neighbor?

*twitch* Don't rolefish me when you're Town. I have good reasons. There are no threats to my Townreads, so I'm not divulging information I don't need to

[Pine]

Farside, I think a good reason for Pine being town is Southern Gothic interactions: he dropped some VT tells early in the game, they end up claiming a "goes nowhere" track on him later in the game: that seems like scum taking a small risk on a correct guess on a townie as opposed to dragging a scumbuddy onto a sinking ship.

Why is Farside Town

[Pine]

You look like you're making things up as you go.

Who's this directed to?

And aren't we all?

[Pine]

Of course I am. Like everyone else, I'm reading and making reads as I go

[Pine]

Unvote

My vote

will

be going back here! but I don't want a day-ending self-hammer yet

[Pine]

I don't have a solid handle on her scum meta, she's too adaptable. It doesn't, however, look like her Town meta

[Pine]

There's actually several counterclaims of various hardness. That's apparently just not how Town PRs are phrased; a Town Tracker would have been "Food Hunter" or "Food Ranger" or something like that, not a standard role name.

Sorry

You done fucked up

[Pine]

In all fairness, if you hadn't made a serious error, you were on track to do well. I didn't suspect you until you stumbled

[Pine]

No

[Pine]

^This. The dog flavor could easily be part of a scum tracker role, a provided fakeclaim, or a fabrication entirely. Certainly I've gotten that detailed with fakeclaim flavor, just check out Jurassic Park mafia, where I did actual research on studies suggesting that T Rex was a scavenger to justify my fakeclaim

[Pine]

Fair point

[Pine]

This feels like the start of a scum-driven counterwagon. Not pleased. Added to the defense of SG's claim, and a SG scumflip makes me want to demand a Hyperlynch on Titus

Does anyone object to ending the day? Discussion has stagnated

PE: That's an Unvote, Farside

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A: Southern Gothic (pirate mollie + telltaleheart hydra)
D: All is Who (Who + Jingle hydra)
K: PeregrineV
Y: Gilgamesh King Of Heroes Flames682
B: farside22
C: Andrius
S: VictorDeAngelo
O: Albert B. Rampage
P: Iecerint
M: Nachomamma8
Q: Pine
L: Titus Konowa
G: FourTrouble

Last letter of my flip was my target

K: All is Who (Who + Jingle hydra)
L: PeregrineV
M: farside22
N: Andrius
O: VictorDeAngelo
P: Albert B. Rampage
Q: Iecerint
R: Nachomamma8
S: Pine
T: Titus

Last letter of my flip is who I targeted tonight (if any)

[Pine]

Whoops. Bad copy/paste job

[Pine]

Maybe I have an even-night or x-shot role. You don't know me

[Pine]

Disagree strongly regarding mass claims. Honestly, I think Town is doing a great job identifying each other, and this can rapidly move towards PoE

[Pine]

Image tag fixed on Pine's request.

[Pine]

Game wasn't biased, it was

swingy

. Those Town PRs could just as easily have fucked over Town as scum

ABR, I thought you still had a shot. Mislynch Townscum Titus, direct the loverize off yourself, kill Who directly, set farside up as a mislynch

[Pine]

I'm fine with PT reveal

Agree with ABR about Titus (@Titus you seem to be a reasonable scum hunter, but you really, really have to get over whatever makes you extremely scummy as Town. You're super abrasive, you push buttons, and your thought process is very opaque. I have yet to play with you in a game where you didn't get killed by Town, and that's a 'you' thing, not an 'us' thing)

Agree with ABR about the lameness of Food Tracker title, same with Food Miller. You put so much effort into creative flavor for everything else, having someone say "I'm a Tracker" reeked of fakeclaim, even without awkward phrasing

Disagree with the rest of ABR's complaints.

Shadowmod, I am

hugely

impressed with the level of effort! creativity! and attention to detail of the roles. Yeah, they were swingy, but they could have gone either way. I am far less concerned with Townsidedness now that I see all the Wolf power. I love the decentralized JOATs on both Town and scum side

[Pine]

Never underestimate the chances of everyone in the town randomly turning into a total fucking idiot. I have been saved by that in several seemingly-hopeless scenarios.

This

[Pine]

ABR, get your feels, but these folks aren't going to self-examine when you're being so rough

@Shadow-Regarding reckless Mason play, that's a valid way to play it. I don't buy the notion that masons should try to hide their nature to provide late-game clears, that's risky. All too often, one of the Masons gets dead, and the connections between them aren't clear enough for Town to be comfortable clearing the partner, but

are

clear enough for scum to put two and two together and kill the buddy. A better method is to treat yourselves as a pair of Innocent Children, be bold, be reckless, lead Town, demand answers and reactions, and get results. As for my lolgambit, if you look back, All is Who was headed straight for mislynch Town. Would they have been lynched after claiming? No, but they would have been forced to, and I'd have been forced to corroborate. So instead I changed the subject, made it very clear that AiW was not an option, and reshuffled the deck. That got 4T killed, but he was being useless and scummy, and would have been lynched eventually anyway. I'm not sure how you can justify saying that he was Towny when you chide him for being stubborn and counsel against self-meta and unjustified reads

PE: As I said in the dead thread, I agree entirely. 9/10, would grovel again