Open 580: Tit For Tat - Game Over!

[Malakittens]

GUISE I GOT A SCUM ROLE PM~

VOTE: Tso

[Malakittens]

WAIWAIT NO I MEANT A TOWN ROLE PM.

[Malakittens]

DONT BUS ME.

I don't do well under pressure!!!

Sorey had to tell the boss to put me on break so I canplay mafia~

[Malakittens]

Shin pls become readable~ tia

[Malakittens]

sup

Somebody will ask about my meta so:
I have one newbie on MS.net as vanilla town, here.
I also have about half-a-dozen games offsite, all vanilla town. I don't want to link that forum here; my newbie game above is representative of my play in any case.

speaking of...
VOTE: Luca Blight
for replacing in and then immediately out of said newbie.

When I first read this it didn't sit entirely well with me. Just sounds overcautious like a pre-emptive defense.

Glad to play with you again, Mala and Luca

VOTE: Bulbazak

Because he's binary troll!

Herro! Are you going to call me by a number this game? I know I didn't like it last time, but we can try it again

fuck nether we regroup in the scum qt immediately

PEDIT: NO NO NO YOU'RE DRAWING ATTENTION TO US

Do scum even have daychat? Can't find it in the OP.

It's too late.
We're caught.
How about we bus third scum to get the amnesty for both of us ?

you should totally bus the third scum

Speaking of trains, I have one to catch. See you in a couple of hours. Vote 1 Wagon of Justice.

I think this might be a town tell actually. If he was scum; he'd know he wouldn't have daychat. So trying to "find" it means he's got a town PM.
THIS GAME GOT A WHOLE LOT EASIER.

Well nether, tso and mala have claimed scum.

And I thought this game was going to take a while.

It's just too easy these days.

VOTE: Nether

^ this bothered me.

Except that you guys actually are scum.

Planning to play it cool and mess around in RVS, that's pretty ballsy.

It's elementary, my dear watson.

What makes us scum? In fact I'm slightly reading TSO/Never both town for the exchanges. It feels more "fun" sided RVS than forced. So I'm good with the townvibes I got.

Hi! I've got 3 things to say.
A:I like red!
2:

Vote: Spitfire

Why the hell not?
Lastly: Whilst I hate to break in on the light heartedness; I do so solemnly swear that I will not lie to you. My thinking is that the town being able to implecitely trust everything I said upon my flip is of far more value than any lie I could tell as town. (I might lie for gameplay reasons but I'll do my best to notify you when it becomes unnecessary)

Cheers.

This actually pings me a lot too. Just something feels off. Gut mostly can't explain ~yet~.

Hello.

VOTE: Shinobi

y you no comment on anything on the other pages. :[

VOTE: WaffleGhost

Is that solemnly swearing thing something you're allowed to do?

Hm, same question to Dave that I asked to Luca.

So, I kinda liked the joking around bussing each other thing. Not the type of slapstick I'd be any good at, but funny. I even held off for a few hours, so as not to interfere.

Open questions, can be answered by any who choose to:
1. Would you feel safe enough to fool around like that when scum?
2. Would you feel safe enough to fool around like that when town?
3. How do you feel about these open question things? Good / bad / indifferent?
4. Am I asking the right kinds of questions? If not, what would you suggest?

This post also pings me, also gut yet again, but the questioning bothers me to an extent especially when he didn't answer this own questions.
VOTE: Dave

Following gut today.

1. Probably yes, but there's factors that would be involved to get that safe feeling. With this playerlist I doubt I could feel safe enough to screw around as scum with TSO/Never.
2. Yep done so a few times~
3. Read above.
4. I don't know. Are you gaining any reads from people answering these questions. if the answer is no then try asking different ones

[Malakittens]

I'm leaning gut-townvibes yes, solidly sure no. TSO is really experienced like me and never was pretty damn good in his first newbie so I'm not giving any passes due to the fluff of RVS.

[Malakittens]

I'll be doing science. Pls don't disturb.

At least you're not doing NotScience!

I mean he can

try

to make a move on notscience, but he won't get very far

[Malakittens]

Acryon did you roll scum again?

[Malakittens]

Following gut today.

Do you do that often? Not that you have much else to go on this early...

Yep!

[Malakittens]

Policy lynches suck. End of story.

[Malakittens]

I ruined what..?

[Malakittens]

Okay? Well tbh it was pretty damn obvious it was more awkard opening rather than defensive, but something that just felt off. Bulba ended up seeing what I believe I saw.

I need to go check a past game though because I think I something is off, but I need to jog my memory on it real quick.

<: ugh I need to stop being so transparent though.

[Malakittens]

@Waffle:

What insipired you to use red text when in past games you haven't.

[Malakittens]

Well, I know why I avoid playing with people who decide playing in colors is perfectly fine. One thing people don't know about me is my colorblindness, not that any of the colors are triggering it to an extent. Plus the green does give me a headache to read. >.>

Just if you can stop the colors that would be great. I have once gotten using different color texts banned from a game and i probably have no problem pleading my case to bbt at this point.

[Malakittens]

Hm. I kinda have to say I might agree with Acryon there

[Malakittens]

... 22 mins later

[Malakittens]

No, why don't you do something then you have the right to tell me to shut up.

[Malakittens]

I been told i have it a lot latelyyy

[Malakittens]

I like Acryon this game. He seems different and more relaxed

[Malakittens]

I agree with Acryon. Scum is stressful; town is relaxful~

[Malakittens]

Shin is a bad vote xP

[Malakittens]

Shin is a bad vote xP

And why would that be?

Because I said so. He plays like this as town. I'm not up for having people vote whom I feel are town.

Another, better question: So who is a good vote, Mala?

For staters Dave. More or less I have a do not want to vote list atm. You are on that list!

Please show me where I defended him.

This read like a weak defense to me:

That's an awful lot to derive from a sentence, and while your logic is clear, I find it unlikely that even if acryon was scum, he went through all that trouble for that.

I like Acryon this game. He seems different and more relaxed

This is relaxed?

Bulbazak's read on the Spitfire/me interaction is...Not good. If he legitimately believes that read, he's a million percent mafia and needs to be lynched. There's no way for him to be able to draw the conclusion of "scum partner" off of the evidence he brought up.

Yeah. Maybe.

Yes.

[Malakittens]

Shin is a bad vote xP

And why would that be?

Because I said so. He plays like this as town. I'm not up for having people vote whom I feel are town.

You're going to have to explain more than that if you want me to agree with you.

Specifically, why do you think he would not or could not play like he has done here as mafia?

eh just sheep it for now.
scum is already boned so yeah

[Malakittens]

Prod dodge for now swoweee

[Malakittens]

@Luca:

Do me a favor and link me to 3 of your recent completed game as town and scum. so six total, ty.

[Malakittens]

Next up in my deep rereads is Bulbazak.

Spoiler: stuff

Skipped RVS. First post #81 is analysis
Questions / doubts Mala on the townslip
Quick reads: TSO, Mala, Pasch town, spitfire scum, acryon maybe scum. Votes spitfire.
(Note, no comment on spitfire other than the read. Spitfire had 4 posts at that point.
Spitfire's posts: Nether/TSO/Mala claimed scum, actually are scum, waffle red text, scum because said they were scum.
2nd post, responds to spitfire's questioning of the read
3rd post, more response to spitfire (pretty good btw), and acryon on 2nd scum read
Shinobi hands off with Acryon, possible 3rd scum?
Admits read of interaction between Shinobi and others may be off
#257 asks someone why waffle is scum. Shinobi again
Spitfire keeping options open
Town tries to narrow, scum tries to keep many options open
#328 long post finding several things wrong with Luca, votes Luca
#330 Spitfire doesn't understand 328 is more than meta

Analysis:

• Immediately jumps in without RVS. Mainly because it's over, unless you count the red text stuff.
  
• doubts the townslip, i see this as town mindset.
  
• Starts right off with reads. Didn't comment on spitfire. Reaction test?
  
• Reading interactions. Kinda early to start that IMO, but it shows town
  
• Switches to Luca on a series of observations.

I'm leaning town, but not sure if I'm reading the style or the actions.

i agree on this to an extent.

[Malakittens]

@tempest:

why am i town??

[Malakittens]

I tend to think that Luca is just really busy. I hope he'll play more in the nearest future because the deadline is not that far and he is still mistery for me.

Why were you excusing Luca's inactivity?

/cuz they are scumbuddies together.

[Malakittens]

Trying to find the time and the right mindset. I been working all week and other things are important. I'll be here either wednesday or thursday~

I'm liking your posts tempest but you remind me of someone but i cant figure out whom

[Malakittens]

TSO, Mala, and Pasch are town.

Why are these town reads at this point?

(Malakittens, why did you ask me why I read you as town, but didn't budge at Bulbazack's town read of you?)

Because I have played with Bulba before and I know he can decently read me because he has experience with me as playing both alignments against him/sharing the same alignment, whereas, you whom I have never played with had this townread on me and I wanted to dig your brain in regards to it

[Malakittens]

TSO, Mala, and Pasch are town.

Why are these town reads at this point?

(Malakittens, why did you ask me why I read you as town, but didn't budge at Bulbazack's town read of you?)

Because I have played with Bulba before and I know he can decently read me because he has experience with me as playing both alignments against him/sharing the same alignment, whereas, you whom I have never played with had this townread on me and I wanted to dig your brain in regards to it

Is your experience being scum with Bulba helping this game?

I don't think I ever been scum with Bulba by sharing an alignment I meant us being town together. I'm sorry I should have clarified that.

I'm still leaning town on Shin~ I'm waiting for Xay to catch up. I have exp with him and I can read him, but it comes with time.

[Malakittens]

Here later, but Xay did move into a town read. This is definitely his town play boys and girls~

[Malakittens]

No clue where you filed the last one under. Read is based off meta experience with Xay and his scum game is pretty transparent from his town game. He's actually giving his thoughts and his reads are pretty much making him an open book whereas his scum play he tends to try to leave himself an opening in case he gets in a jam.

[Malakittens]

Moving on, Mala, what do you think about a Paschendale lynch? And Luca, too, actually.

Eeeeeeeeeeeeeh. I don't really know about Paschendale. I have played with him in the past, but it's been so long ago that I have really forgotten.
I wouldn't mind a Luca lynch, but that's probably not something I want on the table right now. I'm just trying to find townreads and then I'll sort the scum from the leftover piles and go from there.

[Malakittens]

Moving on, Mala, what do you think about a Paschendale lynch? And Luca, too, actually.

Eeeeeeeeeeeeeh. I don't really know about Paschendale. I have played with him in the past, but it's been so long ago that I have really forgotten.
I wouldn't mind a Luca lynch, but that's probably not something I want on the table right now. I'm just trying to find townreads and then I'll sort the scum from the leftover piles and go from there.

I'm not quite sure I understood the third sentence. You wouldn't mind a Luca lynch, but you don't want a Luca lynch on the table? wat?

Given the imminence of deadline I hope you come to some conclusions sooner rather than later.

I'd probably vote him for the deadline, but he wouldn't be my first choice of a lynch is what I really meant by that.

Moving on, Mala, what do you think about a Paschendale lynch? And Luca, too, actually.

Eeeeeeeeeeeeeh. I don't really know about Paschendale. I have played with him in the past, but it's been so long ago that I have really forgotten.
I wouldn't mind a Luca lynch, but that's probably not something I want on the table right now. I'm just trying to find townreads and then I'll sort the scum from the leftover piles and go from there.

So does that mean you don't have any real scum reads at this time?

Yea, I'm a town floating kittykat on cloud nine.~

[Malakittens]

Why assume someone is town when you have no idea how they would play as scum?

That being said, I don't feel the need to pursue this further for now. Just marking time until either Paschendale gets some more votes or someone gives a reason for that not to be the case.

Because after seeing them play so many town games there's a certain pattern that they will show when they roll first time scum. Call it a scent, but it's easy to spot as hell.

[Malakittens]

I might be okay with switching to pash as my townreads are on it, but if i do i'm putting him to L-1

[Malakittens]

Also to note that now is a good idea for Mala to elaborate on her read so I can see what I'm dealing with here.

Everything is meta, gut or a mixture is that what you really want to hear?

[Malakittens]

Also you know Shin my 'towncase' on you in 570 basically boiled down to he popped in his into a fight with BBT/i, he's playing the same meta wise. I don't really see how that was much of a case there tbh

[Malakittens]

Because after seeing them play so many town games there's a certain pattern that they will show when they roll first time scum. Call it a scent, but it's easy to spot as hell.

Even if we assume that you can easily read Shinobi's alignment, how can we be sure that you're not scum and not covering your partner?

You can't, but you would have to trust me either by sorting me out or something like that.

[Malakittens]

VOTE: pash

[Malakittens]

Voted via deadline

[Malakittens]

lol

My thoughts wxactly

[Malakittens]

Well I don't think scum went into N1 going well Day 2 only one of us would be alive so you are basicaly acting like acum knew their meme member www dying N1

[Malakittens]

Well I don't think scum went into N1 going well Day 2 only one of us would be alive so you are basicaly acting like acum knew their meme member www dying N1

Um... what? Are you talking to me?

I notice the vig had some sense and shot scum over me - acryon, hope you're seeing this shit.

What does acryon have to do with anything?

Yeah, but my phone destroyed that message so damn bad. >_>

[Malakittens]

Tempest makes sense; shooting into Bulbazak or myself ran significant risk of a JK protect which would pretty much be curtains for scum.

You're gonna have to work pretty hard to sell me on lynching Nether.

Tbh, I can see why Bulba was a good JK protect, but why exactly you?

[Malakittens]

eh, nvm.

[Malakittens]

Shin why'd you hop off the Pash wagon when it grew?

[Malakittens]

also just because someone was at the top of a wagon is not a good clear at all because of bussing. so yeah

[Malakittens]

also just because someone was at the top of a wagon is not a good clear at all because of bussing. so yeah

Who is this directed to, and who is it about?

you.

also there's no way in hell i'm being lynched this game. None.

[Malakittens]

the one problem I have with TSO is that I felt he wasn't sorting out Bulba like he did in the past. Revolution mafia he was so aggressive that Bulba was scum from one post here yet he danced around it.

Also in regards to saving Pash. I think Dave could in fact be the last scum since both pash and Luca could have hopped onto that wagon to save Luca, but that's not what happened.

I could also be wrong and say that the other scum partner was inactive which makes me think Acyron. So Dave / Acryon / TSO are my choices of lynch tbh

[Malakittens]

I mean we have 9 alive with one scum left. We are in a decent position.

Masscclaim isn't the worst idea, but right now what the cop needs to do is go through the pool of VT claims, but the only problem with that the JK, Vig also need to be coordinated for this to work. We have three town PRs alive, one scum, 5 VT. The Vig could shoot one VT, JK jail another VT and the role cop target another for a result and then we could lynch a fourth which leaves the pool down to one.

[Malakittens]

Problem we run into is that the scum could counter claim either of the PRs.

[Malakittens]

Welp. My gf is gonna be so sad when she sees this math mistake. So I meant a pool of 6.

[Malakittens]

Correct. If we are wrong the VIG will shoot the conf scum.

I mean the plan isn't super foolproof other than scum has to decide who out of the three PRs to kill.

[Malakittens]

Acryon are you planning to be VLa this wholeeee game...?

[Malakittens]

Oh congrats! And okay

[Malakittens]

VOTE: Dave

[Malakittens]

Eh then sell me on another lynch.

[Malakittens]

Not feeling it

[Malakittens]

yeah it is because my gut is bettter than yours so ;p

[Malakittens]

explain to me why dave won't get lynched?

[Malakittens]

Not really seeing scum there either :s

[Malakittens]

Okay to be honest; you and bulb do not have the right to decide who's gonna die and who's gonna live. Just because you lynched scum D1 and you were right doesn't mean you are right. If you want to go ahead and claim the luca kill along with your awesome D1 then you have the right to maybe decide this, but until you admit that you don't.

I could be feeling up to a Xay lynch.

Also Bulba isn't feeling a TSO lynch yet somehow you still want it so

[Malakittens]

my problem is if they wanted to save Pash
why didn't pash also vote dave who was the CW.

Seems like Dave could be the remaining scum Pr

[Malakittens]

Loooooooool.

okay

whatever

i'm done engaging with you.

[Malakittens]

xayyyyyyyyyyyyyy
i seee youuu.

vote dave with meeee

[Malakittens]

Not really offended, but I'm absolutely becoming into my sarcastic/snappy mood lol

[Malakittens]

XAY DAVE IS SCUM

COME HOP ON THE CHOOOOOCHOOO WITH ME

[Malakittens]

ANYWAY i feel like I wanna lynch too many people for a game that's only got 1 scum left

right here w/ you bro.

[Malakittens]

I mean that's the most stupidest reason to try to townclear him. Fuck survival for one more Day/night to use an action over the risk of feeling insecure.

[Malakittens]

im sorry that's probably mean..

but no.

[Malakittens]

Considering Paschendale was probably going to get lynched either way...

I'm getting real tired of your attitude, by the way. I'm being polite. I could not, if you'd prefer.

Yeah I'm sorry. I got snappy for no reason. Just you saying you/bulba has the more influence in whether or not a lynch goes through pissed me off. I mean if you are town try to work with the other town than playing this card. It's condescending.

it's ok aqua, mala probably hasn't had her coffee

It was almost midnight^

I see you point on Dave

I could buy that Dave should get townpoints because Luca voted him, but not that Pasch didn't want to vote him. That could just be, like you said, defending his buddy or WKing.

no.

[Malakittens]

Meh, I got what I wanted out of it.

you're still voting him, why?

[Malakittens]

And I mean we are in D2 with one scum left.

So how is that post

not

true in the least bit?

[Malakittens]

You have a lot to learn about me my dear.

I mean the wagon is at L-2 without you or bulba, so I think I'm doing pretty well and all I need is one more vote and i could probably persuade Shin into hammering.

[Malakittens]

y so sassy.

[Malakittens]

don't.

[Malakittens]

Don't start to wonder on me. I'm town.

[Malakittens]

i don't really think TSO is scum though.

[Malakittens]

I did D1, but not so much anymore

[Malakittens]

eh I didn't like TSO for town D1 due to the passiveness, but since he's come home from school i can see townTSO in his posts sooo

[Malakittens]

What the actual fuck is it 'lets just be a fucking dick to mala day' I mean fucking really

[Malakittens]

Ducking mafia no.

Whatever guys. Do what you want. I'll sit here and sheep Bulba for the remainder of the game.

[Malakittens]

You're getting mad because the person you're accusing of being scum says you're wrong?

No, I'm apparently taking shit way too personally.
See the thing is that everything that Dave described COULD have happened. It's the question of it actually happening. So I'm trying to figure out who's the last scum buddy so I'm testing hia reaction to pressure. It's just gets all defensive and then attacks me for it which bothers the shit out of me and then dismisses me.
He's acting like that couldn't happen when it very well could

I'm going to sleep this off and see how I feel in the morning

[Malakittens]

this is a prod dodge

[Malakittens]

;-;

[Malakittens]

i'm only townreading like three people and it does not include nether

[Malakittens]

VOTE: Nether

sheep.

[Malakittens]

Why are you so confident that you both will be alive tomorrow...?

[Malakittens]

I already gave my thoughts on the 6 remaining none claimers and how we should handle it.

The three prs should shoot from that pool, but apparently we won't be massclaiming so that won't happen

let the prs do their own thing.

[Malakittens]

Why are you so confident that you both will be alive tomorrow...?

I don't see how it's strange to think those things.

Scum!me is planning to shoot town!him.

[Malakittens]

Welcome ^-~

[Malakittens]

I think Acryon needs to either be shot or JK'd.

Jailed or we can lynch him~

[Malakittens]

bulba

if you had a vi shot

who;d yo u shoot?

[Malakittens]

okay

if we lynch him

ten who?

[Malakittens]

also sorry in adv been drinking so @#dealw.it

[Malakittens]

Mmk

so you think that the alast sum idnt bus whatever his face is

(pls im drinking right now butyeaah)

[Malakittens]

sober me can trasn[alate if translateabke

[Malakittens]

Your words would be sane if I didn't promise an explanation in advance.
But I did and it my vote was exactly reaction test vote. It was obvious for everyone I guess (except you).

You mean that promise that you made when you came under pressure for that exact post, and it was pointed out by TSO that you could be trying to save a scum PR by moving it onto a goon? In fact, looking back, what you promised to explain was why you were so sure Luca would flip scum, not why you were voting him, so your "reaction test" explanation doesn't hold water.

yesx4

You said that you'll be V/LA but this time you said it too yet you're still there answering.
I had an idea and I decided to test it, hoping that you'll still show up at least once during your V/LA period.

I hardly ever post on the weekends, which I'm sure you noticed when I was modding. I'm extremely busy on both Saturday and Sunday, and I was afraid I was not going to be back in time, hence why I stated so and consolidated my vote. My V/LA here is similar to the one I took on Thanksgiving, where I'm not sure how much time I'll have, and I'm playing it safe by going V/LA. I'm posting now, because there's nothing going on atm. And your whole "and now you're answering" crap is misleading, since I had just posted my V/LA shortly before answering again, i.e. only minutes had passed, and I was still on the computer.

Do you really think that I'd vote Luca without any reasoning if it wasn't a reaction test?
Did you notice me voting without reasoning previously?
I'm never voting people without reasons, I'm voting only when I'm absolutely sure I want to do it. That's why I'm usually listed almost the whole day in "Not voting" section.

Regarding your V/LA, I'm not judging people by a single game I've seen them in like you do, so I won't make any long-term conclusions based on the game you've been modding.
I usually expect people to have reasonable chance to show up during their V/LA at least once because this is what often happens.

You're so tunneling... I'd like to see your face when you see my flip.

===

Why would you vig acryon?

[Malakittens]

So i apparently tried to comment on a nether post last night failed miserably and still dont know what the hell i tried to say

[Malakittens]

its k im scum at heart

[Malakittens]

Eh Acyron is a bad VIG shot.

[Malakittens]

Nay or yay on Shin...?

[Malakittens]

Bulba, me, xay are bad Vig shots for sho.

[Malakittens]

Bulba, me, xay are bad Vig shots for sho.

So who is a good vigilante shot, then? Me?

idk prob not.

[Malakittens]

Dave and Shin are good ones for sure.

[Malakittens]

I just don't like either of you as of late tbh. More you than Dave.

[Malakittens]

Who says I'm shooting you. :p

[Malakittens]

IDK. He did stuff that felt town ish early on.

[Malakittens]

I think him saying JK me instead felt town and not something scum would do so yeah.

[Malakittens]

*shrug*

[Malakittens]

Probably VIG no shot and the JK jailed either scum or jailed scum's target.

Or the JK jailed the Vig and the scum tried to kill the vig, lol.

[Malakittens]

Or scum no killed to set up someone

[Malakittens]

VOTE: Tso

Ew fucking knew it.

[Malakittens]

So what do people think I am?!?

[Malakittens]

Lol

How could you get a role cop result if he was jailed?

[Malakittens]

Right

[Malakittens]

Nvm

Well gg

[Malakittens]

Xay you PR-told when you dropped Cabd and I's famous line~

[Malakittens]

I noticed Mala say it, and Tempest mentioned it in dead thread so I just assumed I was wrong?

Am I not?

Nah ignore me I have this in my mindset that JK blocks all actions, but I'm wrong myself.

[Malakittens]

Sorry I got snippy at you Aquanim. =\