Open 579: Pick Your (Chocolate) Power -- Game Over

[Ankamius]

Hi.

Unfortunately, it will be a little bit of time before I can catch up. Thanksgiving is in two days and the single worst day of the year for my workplace is tomorrow, so absolute worst case scenario, I won't be able to read until Friday. I'll try to do it tomorrow, though.

[Ankamius]

Oh hey, there's a large amount of people in this game I've played with before. Hi wgeurts/davesaz/Alchemist21/Aneninen/AdrienC/farside22. I feel like I played with Venrob too at some point but I don't remember which game.

[Ankamius]

Ok, I skimmed through the game and got some gut reads for you all.

Town:
Mathdino
droog
Amy Farrah Fowler
Alchemist21
Venrob

Scum:
Siveure DtTrikyp
davesaz
Romitelli

Null:
wgeurts
Aneninen (FYI: probably never going to change)
TheAdrienC
farside22
Flubbernugget

[Ankamius]

Amy wagon at this point is bad. The way she handles the pressure is town.
Siveure trying to discredit Mathdino leaving the wagon is slimy as hell. Nothing about his ISO really gives me any good iggly wigglies either.
Something about Venrob's reads sounds town. Probably because of the Amy townread. The feeling I get from his play is that he wouldn't just close off that avenue so easily as scum.
Romitelli does a good job at trying to appear like he's doing something while not doing anything.

Those are the main things that stood out to me.

[Ankamius]

I don't remember. What I DO remember is that I got that read in the first like 1/3 of the game and never got any real town shift to balance it out.

[Ankamius]

VOTE: Siveure DtTrikyp

[Ankamius]

That's okay, because I posted the meat of why I think he's scum on the last page.

[Ankamius]

This is town-Alchemist.

[Ankamius]

Venrob's abundance of fluff in #361 is really ugggh.

[Ankamius]

The flipflop is null.

[Ankamius]

Most of the rest of this argument feels really nullish too. The lack of really anyone else having any posts in that timeframe doesn't help.

So yeah, that's about all I got relating to recent events. Alchemist is town, Venrob is scum.

[Ankamius]

Ankamius,

why is davesaz scum?

I think he's town. Prob conftown if Siv flips scum, along with the actual doc.

ISO #2 and #3 are too ridiculous for me to believe it's legitimate and #3 doesn't actually say anything while looking like it should have.

Nothing beyond that gave me any town feel from his posts.

[Ankamius]

Amy wagon at this point is bad. The way she handles the pressure is town.
Siveure trying to discredit Mathdino leaving the wagon is slimy as hell. Nothing about his ISO really gives me any good iggly wigglies either.
Something about Venrob's reads sounds town. Probably because of the Amy townread. The feeling I get from his play is that he wouldn't just close off that avenue so easily as scum.
Romitelli does a good job at trying to appear like he's doing something while not doing anything.

Those are the main things that stood out to me.

What did amy do that read town, quote example.
Same question about Siv. What did he do that gives you that read.

She's trying to get reads from the pressure she's getting instead of spending all her effort trying to dismantle the wagon. Other than a few posts at the start, it's been very little of that until the wagon dismantled. The posts after came less often (null tell), but had the same type of feel to them.

I don't understand your second question at all. I explained my scumread on him and the second point is basically just saying that nothing he posted gave me a particularly town feel to his play. Unless you want me to go into the first point more, this question isn't answerable.

VOTE: Siveure DtTrikyp

That's okay, because I posted the meat of why I think he's scum on the last page.

Why did you wait to vote for Siv?

I was kinda hoping to get interactions before committing to anything since I hadn't fully parsed where everyone is in my head at that point; the reads list was just general areas for everyone. After getting asked one question, I started being completely ignored and Siveure DtTrikyp made some pretty icky posts at that point so I just said fuck it and voted.

[Ankamius]

I think they all formed at the same speed. I'm not sure why you pause at lynching alchemist if you think he is scum and you think scum might be within the top 4

Because he's a PR and Siv prematurely claimed not-PR. That's pretty much it. I'm far more comfortable with Siv's lynch since we gain information and we don't lose a PR.

I want to hear

Ankamius's

argument on why this is town-Alchemist before I vote.

I studied how he played in the one completed game we played beforehand and I'm pretty sure I have a bead on how he thinks in mafia. This feels like a town mindset a lot more than a mafia mindset.

[Ankamius]

Don't really like the way math distances from the amy wagon after leaving it...

[Ankamius]

Anka:
He responded with his issue here

I did a quick search, Amy's not experienced,

let's take that off the table.

About math's distancy stuff, this.

Oh.



Let's take this off the table.

Why is it scummy? It's the only thing you pointed too and voted on.

Because when you backtrack on the primary point you made on someone maybe being scum and then just don't do anything for forever while making excuses as to why you're not, that gives me the signal that he's afraid of making a scummy case that will bite him in the ass.

[Ankamius]

Top 3 scumreads:

Siveure DtTrikyp: My ISO really shouldn't leave any room for doubt as to why I'm scumreading him
Romitelli: Says nothing when he contributes. Pretty much classic scumlurking.
Flubbernugget/davesaz: Both are pretty weak reads overall and roughly equivalent in read strength; Flubber for #469/470 and davesaz for the earlier posts in his ISO I mentioned before.

[Ankamius]

wgeurts is probably town but the metadiving thing is maddening.

[Ankamius]

The kitty case makes absolutely no sense and there's no way you can link that to alignment either directly or indirectly, making it a bogus point. The argument that it helps end RVS can't really be used either since your ISO#4 has very little content for the amount of words in it. The entire sequence doesn't really make sense from a town mindset.

[Ankamius]

davesaz for the earlier posts in his ISO I mentioned before.

I don't really get this. I pointed out something of the form "anyone knows if I don't do x it's scummy" (in a game state where we were basically still in RVS), and then posted that I had researched it and that it wasn't unusual. How is that in any way scummy? From someone with meta saying that I'm getting old and I tend to post immediately when I see something, vs. trying to remember that I need to research it? (That meta may not yet be in a usable state, TBH)

The kitty case makes absolutely no sense and there's no way you can link that to alignment either directly or indirectly, making it a bogus point. The argument that it helps end RVS can't really be used either since your ISO#4 has very little content for the amount of words in it. The entire sequence doesn't really make sense from a town mindset.

Let's make this very clear. If anyone does X, and then says "if I don't do X then I'm scummy", I'm going to research that as a possible trust tell. Period. It's the definition of trust tell, as I understand it. I did research it, and there was no evidence that it actually was one, and there was evidence that it was new and a joke, so I posted that Anen was cleared on that point. That was the entire point of ISO 4, and I used that many words because I didn't want it to be an otherwise empty post.

This is as town as it gets. The mindset it doesn't make sense for is the scum mindset.

It was a pretty obvious joke to me, which is kinda why I think you wanted to jump on that and then backtracked later when you realized it didn't hold any water. This makes sense as scum motivation.

BTW, for ISOs, remember that ISO#0 is a thing.

[Ankamius]

Not so sure of my read on Ankamius. All of his scum reads seem opportunistic and/or shallow. The strong town read on Alchemist is also pretty shallow.

The Alchemist read seems shallow because I'm not going to go into any more detail into it. Make of that what you will, but this isn't changing.

[Ankamius]

yep

[Ankamius]

ugh this game is kinda hard to read

[Ankamius]

Aneninen's PR shenanigans feels town.

[Ankamius]

I will not be around much for the rest of the day phase (including the last couple hours before DL). Still not voting Alchemist; Siv is a better lynch.

[Ankamius]

Aneninen townread is slipping from how he handled yesterday after the wagon on him started to vanish.
Alchemist is still town.
Not really understanding the Mathdino push right now.
Not liking droog's AdrienC vote.
AmyFF's reads post-flips would be nice.
FormerFish is slightly town.

[Ankamius]

Amy why did you wait until I pointed you out to post?

[Ankamius]

Not liking droog's AdrienC vote.

do you think adrien asking if the lynch was through
without voting on it
was not scummy?

That's not what I was getting at. You posted all this stuff about other people, then quoted one post by Adrien with a response that is less impressive, but decided that was the scummiest thing out of everything you posted. I don't understand how it's groundbreaking enough to be stronger than everything else you posted by itself.

[Ankamius]

I looked at the wagon on siv
The one I found the scummiest.

Vote: anka

Explain.

[Ankamius]

Not liking droog's AdrienC vote.

do you think adrien asking if the lynch was through
without voting on it
was not scummy?

That's not what I was getting at. You posted all this stuff about other people, then quoted one post by Adrien with a response that is less impressive, but decided that was the scummiest thing out of everything you posted. I don't understand how it's groundbreaking enough to be stronger than everything else you posted by itself.

so instead of saying 'please explain
you posted all this stuff about other people
then quoted one post by adrien'

you left the vague 'i dont like this'
which could be interpreted many ways

I've found that it's easier for me to get better reads from being engaged upon than engaging people myself, especially when I'm behind.

[Ankamius]

Thanks for trying to bounce the ball back to me instead of explaining it, though.

[Ankamius]

@farside: The reason I'm vague a lot of times is because of how I think. My gut works a lot faster than my brain does.

[Ankamius]

VOTE: droog

Wheeee~

[Ankamius]

VOTE: droog

Wheeee~

Prod dodge, my method of producing content is asking you to explain your vote.

I can't get into this game.

Adrien vote is sketchy.
His responses to being questioned about don't feel like town trying to pressure or get a lynch wagon going.
He's basically the vote to coast today. He has done nothing since attaching that vote.

[Ankamius]

Woop, fixed my laptops internet.
Now, seriously (half-policy):
VOTE: Venrob
I don't see any posts from him, his whole thing looks staged as well.

UNVOTE: droog
VOTE: wgeurts

This post and his last one are both really bugging me; this one for the timing and fake-looking reasoning, and the last one because... wat. He thinks there's one scum being voted when there's 5 wagons of two people and asks someone else to do VCA? Then votes someone for doing nothing?

I really don't care that his laptop's internet was out and he was phoneposting. He got his internet back with this post and what he decided to do with it doesn't sit right with me at all.

[Ankamius]

he unvoted me as soon as thy pressure went away
for 'really bugging me'
like he needed a new vote fast after his old one wouldnt dost

yeah, no.

[Ankamius]

You didn't even read my original post, for one.

[Ankamius]

The second.

[Ankamius]

like i said
you gave a weak reason for switching your vote
after the pressure on me from alchemist went away

The vote on you has expended pretty much any use it had and since no one's going to bother wagoning you, I feel like pressuring someone else.

How exactly is this a problem?

Also, if you're stating the same reason for my 'weak' vote as before, then you're still not reading my post. I have a case beyond 'posts bugging me', yet you're attacking me like that's all I put.

Your attack makes no kinds of sense whatsoever.

[Ankamius]

I'm here.

I noticed that Flubbernugget is in the game. What has he been up to in the last ever?

[Ankamius]

I'll let that go through, since I'm realizing that it takes too much mental energy for me to stay caught up in this game. Good luck, all.

[Ankamius]

Sorry for having to replace out. The overall reason I ended up replacing out is because there were multiple people and interactions in the game that I couldn't read through easily enough to stay invested.