Capcom Crossover Chaos - GAME OVER~

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because there are no aliens so he's useless?

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But if I do somehow flip not-SK, then yeah, I suspect the other killing role.

i dont get why you think you are SK?

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that would mean your whole role PM, including role name and win condition, is a lie. i dont think bastard mods go that far

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And you just assume it's a red herring over him fake claiming a role that doesn't exist so he can take us for a ride to the end game?

yes?
what scum would come up with "alien cop" of all things?

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i dont really think you are sk. you made sense as mafia, but if you're telling the truth about the kills being yours then you're town

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And you just assume it's a red herring over him fake claiming a role that doesn't exist so he can take us for a ride to the end game?

yes?
what scum would come up with "alien cop" of all things?

Scum with daytalk?

still implies that someone would come up with that
there are tons of fakeclaims someone can make. "alien cop"? it just feels completely unlikely. makes much more sense if it's truthful.

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and if youre town it means the day killer is prolly sk then

or, both kills are town and there's cult. having a lot of kills makes sense as countermeasure to cult.

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well now that you put it this way.. it is a nice fakeclaim to make. aliens were completely unlikely to exist anyway so he could just give non-alien results on people and be safe.

and he didnt comment at all on our speculation about his role being a flavor cop or a misleading role etc.

maybe.

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but dunno i have trouble seeing scum coming up with it. why not just claim "flavor cop" and have the same results? how did they come up with "alien"

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but dunno i have trouble seeing scum coming up with it. why not just claim "flavor cop" and have the same results? how did they come up with "alien"

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What do you think about GGG's vote on me?

felt like a sheep both yesterday and today

i still think ggg might be some kind of scum or other

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anyway. if you are town, aliens/sk/other multiball scum are very unlikely to exist now because there was no third kill either night.

Which means, either day-SK, or cult. Or no other third parties (excluding kbw), but i think that kinda makes town pretty op with so many kills.

in any case i disagree with lynching you when you have the potential to shoot more mafia or even cultists if they exist.

VOTE: ggg

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even if you get shot you still get another shot in. plus you waste mafia's nightkill

yeah, if both kills are town there's most likely cult. dayvig + night vig + vig from an inventor? too much.

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another random thought i had was the 3 "masons" being a scum faction that falsely flip "masons"

that would be kinda op too and would possibly warrant many kills

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At first I thought maybe it was just a compulsive thing in which people died if they reached a certain number, but that theory doesn't work when comparing WS and Droog who were both leading wagons.

hmm. i think kise said that the kill happened a while before he actually posted it. maybe it happened when droog was still the leading wagon? this theory holds some water.

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it would also explain why the dayvig took this long to shoot today

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But hey, shooting the leading wagon could just be their way of achieving an early lynch and moving on.

i dont think so. killing someone else is better, because the previous wagon will just form again, getting them two people. killing the top wagon is counter-productive for them.

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Some people have ways to confirm their role so we can PoE cult down a bit if it is needed.

this assumes culted people lose their abilities though. that's not necessarily the case

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well if that theory is indeed the case then maybe it's a little more plausible that both vigs are town, even without a cult

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oh, you meant a town dayvig? i meant a scum/SK one

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but even for a town dayvig. why waste their shot on someone that's getting lynched anyways?

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i guess its a possibility

but still, doing that 3 times in a row? i think dn's theory is more likely

ill go look at how many votes each execution happened

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ok its not the votes after all.

In this VC UT has 9 votes.
From that VC until the execution nobody voted UT.
if it was at 9 votes, he would have been executed at that vc that he had 9 votes

zzzx was just at 6 votes

the most droog had was 4


maybe its still something that involves the top wagon, but probably not number of votes. maybe the dayvig has the choice of executing the top wagon when he wants?

if thats the case, then we're back to town having too many kills

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Dayvig is probably not a dayvig, dayvig is probably an executioner.

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You will never have a balanced cult game when everyone is recruitable.

So I'm thinking. TD's claim makes sense as an additional ability to a Cult Leader and the alien/not-alien is what indicated recruitability.

GGG is the most likely to be Mafia, TD is the most likely to be Cult.

Vote: TD

This lynch provides the most gamewide information of the two I think.

This is an interesting thought.

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And I think the executioner has been differentiating who they decide to execute which is a point towards town?

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VOTE: kbw

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fbi agent + ww cop + alien cop + black goo

this is getting ridiculous

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I didn't know executioner is a role. That obv makes the most sense

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Yo, next time you want to fake bullshit, you probably should remember that the cop was a mason with other masons who could claim results in thread.

what is this about

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and what do the other masons have to do with that? we do have the results but we dont know if they're legit

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which is entirely possible if a cult exists

or if bastard masons

besides ms was voting dram despite the results for some reason

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anyhow i doubt kbw has any info, and i doubt he even has the ability he's claiming. it just looks like bullshit so that he survives

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like i said, i dont trust kbw to even have communication with the dead

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Fine. I'll tell you provided at least 3 of those votes get off me.

I'd be less inclined to vote for you if you threatened less and cooperated more.

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^lol

Aaand thats proof kbw is bullshitting us

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Take some votes off me, then you will get an answer to that.

UNVOTE:

Im okay to unvote and give another day. I believe she has the power she is claiming.

also this stinks and should die

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droog hasn't even given any results and you talk about their validity

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gunsmith = cop that checks if target has a gun

inventor is different

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none that i remember

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VOTE: ggg

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UNVOTE:

true that

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Alisa, Roleblocker. Our blocks were Bulba -> Bulba -> MS.

Popcorn to bro

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sure thing.

I blocked Bulba because I was pretty sure he was scum.
During D2 I thought I saw him hinting he was blocked at some point, so I thought "bingo" and blocked him again.
D3 I thought something was wrong with MS voting dram despite supposedly having the results Bulba described, so I blocked MS.

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Pretty sure they had claimed masons with ooba by night3, so did you disbelieve them or something? I don't remember reading that you doubted the claims.

i believed they're masons, i didnt believe they're necessarily town.

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do tell me why id claim this as scum, ms

you know it doesnt make sense, and it makes me think i was right in thinking youre scum

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Pretty sure they had claimed masons with ooba by night3, so did you disbelieve them or something? I don't remember reading that you doubted the claims.

i believed they're masons, i didnt believe they're necessarily town.

Masons are, but their very name, town.

umm. hello? bastard? the masons being non-town has been brought up before, have you been reading?

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why the fuck were you voting dram after the result you had?

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according to bulba, the results you gave yesterday (town on KBW, not town on dram) were yours. Which means you should know, based on the first one, that dram is town. So why were you voting him?

Even after Bulba pointed it out you continued voting him for a while before awkwardly changing it. And you even told me that you still find dram scummy at some point.

it didnt make any fucking sense. I know you're a derp, but wtf?

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because i knew you were cops, right? you claimed ooba was the cop and you and bulba dont have actions. Which I also found shitty.

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not my fault masons are this scummy

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I think MS is scum and Bulba is town.

I think MS reaction sounds town tbh. If it's one of them, it's still Bulba, but more likely they're just both town. Bulba's claim makes sense.

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I think everyone has, and I note that nobody claimed being the executioner (yours seems similar but the executioner was not ending the day). Which means the executioner is actually scum.

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claims

1. The Goat - lyncher, has won
2. TiphaineDeath - alien cop
4. dramonic - inventor
5. PeregrineV - everyone is motivated (double action) the night after his death
8. mental somnic (Metal Sonic + Om of the Nom) - mason cop
16. GGG - ww cop
17. The Will of Heaven (Nachomamma8 + Wisdom) - roleblocker
18. Bulbazak - mason cop
20. DeathNote - governor thingy
21. Espeonage - miller to gunsmiths
22. BROseidon - deprogrammer

whoops

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i think esp's claim looks worst. PGO makes sense for scum to claim, especially with scum dropping dead left and right, in order to avoid being shot. And the way he did it allowed him to take it back now.

Dunno about bro's claim either. WW, SK, and aliens had one misleading role about them. Why does cult have two?

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i think peregrine might be a good lynch at this point of time too. it would give double cop to the masons and double roleblock to me, if it's truthful. If not, scum lynch.

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how come you havent used it so far?

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wait im not sure i understood what your role does

it works after a lynch like standard governor? it pardons them and does what? and how does that end the day

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you mean you ended the day?

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oh i think i get it. you select someone and they cant be lynched? meaning you can select everyone but one, effectively lynching them?

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this is quite op. i guess scum have the executioner to counter this

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does it motivate faction kills too? I thought it would just motivate abilities

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@bro he's not just a Gladiator though. He can stop people from being lynched. I don't really see scum having that

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Also the votes on me should stop before the executioner shoots me

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I think dn shooting adorkable means he isn't group scum.

and it doesnt look we have anything other than mafia after all, so it just means he is town

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TD, what was that nonsense about fathers and whatnot you were asking me?

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not every role, but it looks like the mason cops are insane and the factions cops are just there for misdirection without there being the actual factions

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what question?

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absolutely nothing

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why esp? do you agree with what i said about him?

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does it motivate faction kills too? I thought it would just motivate abilities

pere please check this with the mod because if it doesnt affect faction kills i think its very good to be used today. 2 cops x 2 = 4 investigations. tomorrow one of the cops might not be still alive.

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also does it work if you're executed? or only lynched?

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i thought im human, but i am apparently a robot modeled after a human

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does this mean mafia can use two shots, two different shooters? or one of them shoots twice?

its weird it affects the mafia kill, its not an ability

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the wiki also says that faction kills arent motivated

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its important though, because if it's just one shooter i have more of a chance to block them with two roleblocks. if two, not as likely.

even so, i still think its best used today where it will actually be advantageous to at least three town roles (not sure if it helps dram as well). if we dont do it today we will be better off not lynching you at all afterwards as we will just be giving double kills to scum.

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kay. I don't think we have any guaranteed scumlynch today though. I think Esp is the most suspicious but even that is not sure

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hm. I think it will be interesting to see if Esp will get executed or not upon getting wagoned.

VOTE: esp

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no, do tell us

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he is the executioner and hes scum

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Every mafia flip has been a robot of some kind.

Every other flip has been non-robot.

We were talking about this yesterday.

You so scums.

Vote: TWOH

You also have relational ties to SB.

yep, we were, but apparently this was wrong. i thought im a human yesterday or i wouldnt have suggested that.

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so do we lynch esp or do we lynch peregrine first for his motivation power? even if he gets executed it still works, and we can just lynch esp then

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and? Why the focus on flavor?

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Executioner can choose the target so I guess not.

he can't, he can execute whoever has half the votes for a lynch if it's like the wiki describes

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they have, you posted everyone alive. so whats the idea?

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looked up my character

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looked up my character

You didn't do that day 1 or the day when we were discussing TDs cop claim?

no, when we were doing that I just looked at the image in my role pm and Alisa looked like human

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VOTE: peregrinev

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I'm not seeing anything town in pergV's play or role claim.

Why would he claim something we would lynch sooner or later?
He's not scum, he's just a good lynch because of double cops and roleblocks tonight

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This is the kind of post that makes me want to lynch TWOH

this doesn't make any sort of sense at all

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it's objectively the best move to lynch peregrine now instead of after giving scum a chance to kill the top threat of the recent claimants.

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not if we block them

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We don't even know if we can trust that you have a roleblock

unless you want to argue im scum with the masons, they confirmed i do

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TWOH your argument to lynch someone you believe is town is terrible. It does not add utility for us. If TD is scum it's better to make scum kill him.

scum wont kill peregrine though

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If you believe he is town you don't ever lynch him.

well im not certain, his claim just doesnt make much sense for scum. i see it more as utility, but if he ends up being scum its all good.

Ideally I'd like him to be executed so we can move on to lynching esp.

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I'm worried that Pere might need to actually be lynched for the ability to trigger in which case it is worse to leave him for execution.

he said it works even if hes executed, so

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Scum need to kill TWOH

why would they kill me over 2 cops with 2 investigations each? they will obviously try and shoot them.

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if i announce who i block, they will obv change shooters. that only works if we know there is only one scum remaining.

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The coaching in this thread is freakin hilarious.

this is a bad post

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I agree that we will be a priority kill at this point, considering mafia team has been ripped half to shit, investigative roles seem imperfect and we counter every faction with a limited amount of players pretty fucking hard. But if we announce targets beforehand, we have after death investigative abilities but also about a 0% chance of blocking the kill.

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GGG, why would you want to lynch Peregrine because his power is scum-friendly...?

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And also, weren't you just railing against us for voting peregrine on the last page or did I just hallucinate that during one of my many acid trips?

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what do you mean? why wont he die?

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i dont get your point

we are lynching him, not waiting for him to get executed

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If PV is lynched, Wischo instead blocks both Bro and Esp.

problem with this is, Esp is 100% not going to be shooter because he's obvious. If the other one isn't bro and it's ggg or TD, they will get the kills in.

Why do you think Bro over one of them? I think GGG's actions today make it more likely to be him.

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dram im not scum dude. i dont know why the fuck you're tunneling me but stop

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who would you suggest as my blocks, bro?

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dn is obviously out of the question. he shot a mafia, hes not mafia.

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also why did you not include GGG?

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nvm cant read

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DN who would you recommend blocking tonight?

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oh so the way this works is we first get the results of night 4, then move on to night 5?

this is probably better than all happening at once

VOTE: espy

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neither night? why?

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are you sure? if he's scum, that's handing him a kill on n4.

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also how come you trust me now? minutes ago you said you wanted to lynch me.

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random thought

dram is a third party who wins when the majority have used one of his inventions

like, why would you want bro to act n4?

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and why the hell would you give that to bro over DN?

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random thought

dram is a third party who wins when the majority have used one of his inventions

like, why would you want bro to act n4?

this is a really dumb random thought

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we won't block bro night 4

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i dont fucking get why he didnt give it to DN. if Bro is scum, he wasted a doc protection who could be game changing. dont forget that even if one mason survives, we have all 4 results.

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i dont fucking get why he didnt give it to DN. if Bro is scum, he wasted a doc protection who could be game changing. dont forget that even if one mason survives, we have all 4 results.

I don't understand it either, but I can't say it seems that scummy to me.

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Like, he's the most confirmed town thing since the invention of Innocent Child, you'd THINK scum would shoot him.

over the vig that killed two of them?

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eh. it played a major part that i thought he was the executioner, but I still think he's the most scummy. GGG is close behind though, so i dont mind that either.

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DN, how will we coordinate our N5 blocks? i think that just one of us should say who they will block so that the other doesn't block the same.

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meaning, you have something other than your alien cop?

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why would it change?

Also weren't yiur results alien/not alien?

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Umm what? Where did I suggest declaring the blocks? I'm against that.

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Vote: TiphaineDeath

Ok sorry there's absolutely no way he should be alive after that claim. If he flips scum, partner is pretty much 100% in espeonage and GGG.

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DN,

Why didnt you disclose you were the executioner earlier?

By claiming now you just ensure you die tonight with the benefit only being a slightly more informed lynch today. With two cops and a roleblocker you likely would have been safe.

i don't really understand your question here

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....You're being dumb TWOH, I already claimed additional shit, and Kise, you a fuckin troll

I don't remember you claiming additional shit.

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They SHOULD have been alien/not alien. The problem is I haven't gotten anything like what I did with you since and I am not entirely certain whether Kise was just fucking with me or not X_X.

And this doesn't look like "oh it's crucial for me go use my additional shit today", this looks like you're claiming you got a third result from alien/not alien and want to investigate us to clear it up, which reads a lot like bullshit to me.

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........ so you thought that me asking you about two random words was what, a whim, boredom?

Yes...?

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It doesn't seem very unrealistic at all for you to ask us questions just to fuck with people, which was my assumption.

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And even now, I have absolutely no clue what your results could possibly suggest or why you need to target us twice for a clearer result. The only way our role is related to fathers in general is dram is our father, but that's not really helpful at all.

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correct me if wrong

ooba: N1: KBW (town)
Bulba: N1,N2 blocked, N3: Arc (not town)
MS: N1: KBW (town), N2: dramonic (not town), N3 blocked

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i think either they're all insane, or it's MS-insane, Bulba-paranoid, ooba-naive

thats excluding the random cop possibility

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i think either they're all insane, or it's MS-insane, Bulba-paranoid, ooba-naive

thats excluding the random cop possibility

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i dont think anyone asked you to do that

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prolly just the mod trolling then

i dont think you have any reason to make up something like that, dunno why nacho finds it suspicious

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VOTE: esp

sorry nacho, tell me if you disagree

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?

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wtf
I blocked ggg n4 and bro n5
Also I have a bomb

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this is probably lylo?
I don't want to risk ending the game with the shot, can we like pseudovote on who to shoot or something?

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How did the double kill happen? Did you invent something on n4?

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BRO YOU ARE AN IDIOT >:(

why is he an idiot?

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Dramonic is definitely scum at this point, and yes, I got to reinvestigate TWOH and kise was just fucking with me, I am irritate.

what do you think the scumteam is?

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also, where the hell is ggg?

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why is dram scum?

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its just dram voting you then Esp. And?

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i want to shoot you so badly

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Explain to me how that's a scumclaim?

pedit: shus nacho

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that could be true of an apathetic townie as well

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only way we are scum is if we're scum alone

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and 4? scum in a 24 player game where one scum flipped "vote proxyer" is actually just dumb

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There are 1-2 scum, likely 2, in (Dramonic-GGG-Bro) and dram is almost certainly one of them.

this isn't a scumteam btw

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this is you telling me dram is scum and then you stating obvious things

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Explain to me how that's a scumclaim?

pedit: shus nacho

you shus wisdom

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it just seems like it's obviously TD-GGG to me and i just want the satisfaction of shooting td
i have no idea why wisdom won't let me shoot td

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i also find dram not giving a bomb to a scumpartner when it would win him the game to do so pretty unlikely meaning dram's either the only scum left or he's also townw

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meaning from your perspective it'd have to be GGG-BRO
from BRO's it's likely GGG-TD
from GGG's it's likely BRO-TD

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so right now what we're trying to do is figure out which one of those is the most unlikely and then shoot the common denominator

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i also find dram not giving a bomb to a scumpartner when it would win him the game to do so pretty unlikely meaning dram's either the only scum left or he's also townw

and evidence against him being the last scum left is confirmed ability that isn't a double killer

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wisdom i'm gonna shoot td now ok

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i think bro's much townier than td and ggg, he's confirmed not to be the doublekiller, etc. etc. etc.

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eh but i guess bro-TD make less sense than BRO-GGG
i'm gonna shoot ggg

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TD is an alien cop so where is the alien character that would give a false guilty.

actually a good point.

Bomb: TiphaineDeath

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Vote: GGG

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Just gonna let the bomb happen, pretty sure it resets the VC anyways.
So vote GGG, block BRO tonight, ja?

yep